Pruning your rentals + Outsouring debt with Enrich Author Todd Miller

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Now on this podcast, you’re going to be hearing me interview an author that wrote about, enriched about building wealth over time.  There were a few things in this interview that I clashed over. Here’s the thing, like a lot of these authors, it’s nothing to take much to write a book these days. I’ve done it. You guys can check it out and on Amazon and it ends up an Amazon bestseller. Thank you to those of you guys who dropped in on it. The title is the Journey to Simple Passive Cashflow and you can check that on Amazon by the way, but, I think the thing that we’re clashing on is, this guy was saying, you should file these properties and pay them all down, which is a very logical strategy for most people.

 

But again, you never want to be like most people, cause that’s typically maybe not the best way of doing things, And I’ve been trying to distill this down to different thought processes. Is it debt? Is it more loan to value? If you guys didn’t listen to me, some of my rants on this. Loan to value is some arbitrary number. To me, what it comes down to this year, debt, service, coverage ratio, what are your monthly payments to pay the debt service and what is your cash flow?

 

And if you want to go, how the professionals do, what the banks do when they underwrite our deals, they want to see that 1.25. you’re dead surfaces, a hundred dollars. They want to see $125 of cash flow coming in. So that there’s a bit of a margin there. Now you can artificially create that debt, service coverage higher by putting more down payment on which do you guys know?

 

That’s not what sophisticated investors do. They put the least amounts to get that cash flow and that returns as high as they can, but keeping that debt, service coverage ratio, right at that optimal point at around like 1.1, 1.25, I think that’s, one could argue that it’s better to be higher, you give up some of those returns.

 

So that’s where you are as an investor. And personally, I’ve been on this journey where I was big on tertiary markets, Which have higher caps. Now the problem with higher caps and the reason why they’re higher caps is they’re not as staple locations to invest in. I probably  was one to say that I’ll never invest in Hawaii or California because of the low caps.

 

And, they don’t cash flow in cash flow is what you need in a case of recession to hold onto the asset. But yeah. The good thing about those kinds of markets like New York, Chicago, Miami, Hawaii, Seattle, and all of California is that it’s a very stable place, people want to live there and you have to look at both sides of the argument there.

 

So where I’m thinking as you’re new, as your net worth grows over $5- $10 million. Now you start to get away from the tertiary markets. For sure, it gets to more the secondary and the primary market, probably with the primary markets overall, which is why I probably still won’t invest there at this point in my life.

 

And my journey is because there’s just so much competition in most areas. There’s so much, dump on sophisticated money in Hawaii, Seattle, LA, Where they’re just people just buying properties, reporting on it too, for legacy that those are the kind of people that push up the pricing. And that’s a second layer to this. No, there’s a few things to be thinking about. And I think this is where, you really need a network and this is all we tell people, Hey, if you’re stuck, if you’re tired of just dealing with people who just don’t understand investing on this level, join the family office, Ohana mastermind group of, or details in that go to simplepassivecashflow.com/journey.

 

And before we get going into today’s interview with this author, I had a question. It seems like a lot of the investors are worried about interest rates coming up  and I think yes, it does really impact the numbers. If you’re a buy, hold and pray type of investor. And I was a buy, hold and pray type of investor from 2009 to 2015, when I was just buying these little single family home turnkeys. if you guys want to go download the analyzer at simplepassivecastle.com/analyzer, you can download the spreadsheet and you play around with the numbers. you change the interest rates from 4.5% to 5% or maybe five and a quarter. And you’ll see that cash flow drop, maybe you’re at $300 and it drops to seventy-five bucks by making that one little move on the spreadsheet, and I think most of our investors understand this sensitivity analysis when interest rates do make these bigger jumps. 

 

But, this is why I’ve personally gravitated towards value-added types of real estate as we all know wealth comes to those who create value and value can be in the form of many things. And, but ultimately the bottom line in real estate, and how much net operating income does a property produce or in the business world, increasing your Vita. Now, when you are increasing. The value add or the, when your value adds a property, increasing  rents per se, and you’re increasing that net operating income. It makes the interest rate that holding costs less of an important factor to use in an extreme case, like a house flipper. House flippers  don’t care what he’s paying for his debt service; the good ones will, they’ll be able to cherry pick lazy investor money at 8%, maybe 10%. 

 

Beware, If you’re one of those people who take on, lend money to house flippers, and you’re getting 15, 20%, you’re likely going through a middle man who’s selling your basic linear money through an unproven party. That’s why you’re getting paid so much but that’s a side note. I don’t want to invest in private money notes. I don’t invest with people who are less than five, $10 million net worth these days. Just net worth is a level of sophistication, in my opinion, these days for me. That’s just the class of paper that you’re buying, Because when you have those higher rates of return, even if you’re collateralized with the house flipping project, it doesn’t matter. But I digress. So getting back to my point, these house flippers, they really don’t care what they pay for their cost of, 10%, 20%.

 

It doesn’t matter because they’re buying a property say for 300, you’re putting in a hundred grand in and they’re flipping it 4, 5, 600, maybe even more so that holding cost is, maybe on the scale of 10, 20, $30,000, if in that six month project per se. So that’s an extreme case, And when they’re holding onto a property for one to five years That interest doesn’t really matter. Yes. It piles up. And it’s part of, you can definitely see it in your monthly P and L’s, but if you’re value adding that piece of property, whether that’s a home  flip in that house with burst case where their value adding at 200 grand, you can see how that Brittany trumps that holding costs, maybe even a tenfold.

 

Now, I like the approach of going into stabilized assets where there’s existing cash flow. No light to moderate value add and nothing crazy. definitely I would be on the less on the side of the spectrum of that house flipper, where they’re going after huge amounts of value add, and they could care less about the interest rates, still not to that extreme, but still this my point is that the interest rates don’t really matter as much when you’re doing value. If you don’t trust me, go look at how much money is built up through the routine equity, the net operating income divided by the cap rate in the beginning of the project, and to presume cap net operating income at the end of the project, divided by the prevailing cap rate and the difference of the money made.

 

And then see how much the debt service compares to that. And I think what you’ll see in most value add projects is the carrying costs of the interest costs. Sure. it’s hurting your monthly P and L and your cash flows, but it is a very small relation to the bigger gain. I would say these days, even with a lot of light value add projects, the majority of the money, let’s just call it two thirds, is coming from the retained equity, build up the value, add pop at the end, as opposed to the cash flow. I think back in the day, maybe like 2015, I was seeing deals like in Memphis, which are tertiary markets that I don’t want to invest in which garbage areas, but they have high cash flow and really not as much value add in a separate project because. The location sucks, let’s just call it that in those cases, you would see deals where maybe half of the returns were coming through cash flow, or maybe a little bit more and the smaller portion.

 

So a large portion is coming to routine equity through the years. But, I think that’s why some investors who haven’t caught onto this concept, they feel. Okay. These investors are a little capital area. They’re still doing stuff in the face of all these industries. but when you really look at the numbers again, what is the routine equity portion versus the cashflow portion?

 

You start to realize. Yeah,  who cares about paying a little bit more on interest payments because that’s nothing compared to the end goal of, unfortunately you have to wait maybe several years to realize that. For newer investors, lower net worth investors. They may not feel comfortable with it, but as we always tell investors,  you need to start acting like an accredited investor and more, which is more of a long term for license credit investors who don’t really care what is happening on a monthly, quarterly, or even annual basis.

 

They look at things more on a two, three year time horizon or three to five years. So they zoom out. And when you look on that side, when you’re looking from those lens, Now you’re looking at more, they care more about what is their equity, how’s their net growing over time, as opposed to are they getting their monthly cash flow so they can pay the bills because affluent people, wealthy people accredited plus investors, they got their bills.

 

Take care of, they’ve got that cash flow already. If you’ve got that bass. So their primary concern is, of course, keeping their money, which is why they invest in real estate because it holds its value. And it goes up with the pace of inflation. But they like it because they can add value, and they can realize these huge racks of big gains, but they gotta wait for it. But, I think that’s a difference between, less sophisticated investors who really enjoy getting those monthly paychecks from the rent checks, from their tenants, and all that type of stuff to more of a sophisticated investor who is able to zoom out the little detach, but really compare the two investment strategies on a longer time horizon. 

 

But yeah, I’m pretty confident interest rates will come up a little bit more, but, I think things will subside and that is why we’re taking a little bit of a break. And especially because we’re seeing a lot of newbies getting into real estate and investments and apartments and like the other day I saw like a deal going up for like 120,000 a unit.

 

And the pitch deck was saying, they’re going to value adding it to you. It’s 200,000. I’m like, dude, that’s not going to happen. And that’s the kind of the stuff that’s happening all the time makes me think,  maybe the king of the door has closed, or it’s, just operate what we got.

 

But then again, like you always got to do something, I think that’s the mistake is to, yeah. Especially coming from new investors  who haven’t done Jack or at any point is they’re always looking for that excuse not to do anything. And I think that’s the one thing that inflation has really illustrated to a lot of folks, myself included, that you just can’t stick your money in the bank account, doing nothing.

 

Now the next level up is putting it into an infinite banking plan, making 5% tax-free. I think that’s better than nothing. And I think as somebody who’s pretty conservative, I think that’s the next great option. If you don’t know what infinite banking is, check out our free. I think it’s like a three hour eCourse at simplepassivecashflow.com/banking. you got to sign up to get access to that e-course but there’s a little info page for you guys to read up on the concept, but, enjoy the show guys. And if you guys have any other questions, please submit it over and we’ll see you next time. 

 

Today, we have the author of Enriched, Todd Miller. We’ll be talking about various topics surrounding wealth, time, money and meaning, but Todd, why don’t you quickly go over your step journey towards financial independence from the beginning.

 

Hi Lane, sure. Happy to do that. And it’s really a pleasure for me. Be a part of this community and to be here with you this afternoon, by professional background, I am an entertainment executive. I’ve worked for an, in Hollywood for half of my life and my career rocked and I actually did not realize the importance of creating and accelerating financial security.

 

Until years into the career. When I had successfully reached the proverbial corner office and was miserable and I was handicapped by my financial insecurity. And that’s when I recognized that financial security is foundational and most people think of it as the end point. The ultimate prize for a long and perhaps even punishing me professional path.

 

And to me, it’s the starting point. And the sooner a professional can accelerate financial security, the more and the quicker and better that one can scaffold a life of meaning and importance and relevance and enrichment, which is ultimately where everyone wants to be. I retired about two years ago and don’t look back. 

 

What is it that you can look back on that kind of pushed you over the edge and pissed you off? Or what was that thing? People always have that thing that they could point to. I think we have to back up and I’ve been obsessed with the work-life equation and how to maximize that equation, really for twenty-five decades.

 

And I would say that my whole journey with optimizing work in life, that began in my final semester at Columbia business school, when I was flabbergasted, how many of my brilliant classmates seem to be making an incredibly foolish and short-term career decisions based on us, based on the size of a signing bonus.

 

In other words, choosing company A over company B because company A gives a couple more thousand dollars upfront and that is really puzzling. No, that was widespread behavior at the time. And I thought, can we be bought so easily? Am I missing something in this? And the deeper I progressed in my career with a Hollywood studio, I guess I was fortunate to have a series of events which caused me to be hyper aggressive about getting work and life to work together. 

 

And I quickly figured out the work-life balance thing and my life rocked, my career rocked and everything was going well until my priorities changed. My company also changed. And, I just found that the higher I climbed on the corporate ladder, just the more distant I felt from all the things that attracted me to the business and to the industry and to the role.

 

I guess for me, the pivotal moment was I was hoping to get fired and to receive a parachute. Yeah. So where did this idea come from? Why did you want to get fired?  I was miserable and I no longer enjoyed my work. But yet I was addicted to the paycheck. What was worse? The people or the job work that you did?

 

I would say it was the culture because of the politics. What exactly? Trying to peel back the onion here, trying to get some emotion and get, not get high level, like where we are. Look the higher you go, really the less exposed you are to the actual business. And I found that I was spending most of my day, every day, on a lot of nonsense internal issues.

 

Most of it was political issues. Just as such as territorial control. Hey, this is my responsibility, or, differently in Hollywood, there are many ambitious executives, everyone’s trying to grab a piece of the pie from someone else and jump over other people.

 

And just a lot of the days were spent in corporate in basically survival mode, trying to take down someone else, and just really just trying to score points internally, as opposed to actually advancing the business and looking at the situation that I am describing in a particular Hollywood context.

 

It’s relatable to many industries in a corporate America, whether it’s Silicon valley or wall street, that at some point in particularly at more senior positions, the political dynamics tend to outweigh and overshadow  the real business of the business, and that was what I found myself in, and I found that the company made decisions, not based on meritocracy, but really, because someone shine someone’s shoes.

 

And I was just, I became disillusioned with that situation, and that led. Increasingly that just led to a disconnect between what I wanted, and the reality of this job, but I couldn’t walk away from the job because I’ve benefited from a very hype high paycheck. And I have mouths to feed, and a family to support, and so the reality of having to grin and bear it, so to speak, that really. It really tended to overshadow everything else. And as much as I had worked on a work-life balance, because I did not have this financial security, I was not in a happy place. And so I was expecting, hoping to be fired and looking forward to the occasion.

 

A kid looks forward to Christmas. And rather than that, it was business as usual and more of the same, and I And I remember this one, it never rains in Southern California, but on this particular day in Los Angeles, it was a downpour. And I left the studio around 6:00 PM. I got in my car, I’m driving to my hotel.

 

I called my father and said, I didn’t get fired. And I was just, explosive and that’s really, it’s a very mentally unhealthy place and unhappy place to be in. And after I basically extricate myself from that very toxic situation, I then made accelerating financial security a primary priority.

 

And I was able to fast track that in a relatively short amount of time, and that changes everything, and so the point I’m trying to make to you and to this audience is that often many professionals subscribe. To the trappings of professionals. So success and career aligning, and it’s often that we don’t recognize the importance of creating financial security as quickly as possible because there’s this solution sometimes correctly, sometimes fall asleep.

 

That one has the security of a great and well Payne. But tying financial security to job security is a very risky business and particularly so for very successful professionals. And so the biggest insight that I’ve learned is to always, not depend upon, any other organizations.

 

For my livelihood. So you didn’t get fired. So what kind of transpired, cause eventually you’ve mentioned, you got to FII about five years. How did you make Pasadena. Yeah. So I took, it took several weeks after that, that horrible experience in Los Angeles for me to extricate myself from the company, but I did, I went on sabbatical which was just an incredible experience, and basically reset myself, reset my.

 

My career, my aspirations, joined another company as chief executive and began a second professional life in a business, in an industry that I truly enjoyed at the time. And so as soon as I was on that second career, I then prioritized building financial security through real estate.

 

And while all this was transpiring, I was living and working in Hong Kong. Yet I managed to build, house by house, a modest single family, real estate portfolio. In the United States. And, so I took many trips to the U S. Some of these were family trips and many people went to Disneyland while the Millers went to California and we went house hunting.

 

We left with the souvenir to have a house under contract on business trips to Los Angeles. I wouldn’t leave LA until. Had a house under contract. And so trip by trip year by year, I was able to establish this portfolio of single family homes that really created the foundation for me to achieve FYI and to no longer have to work, in order to.

 

To support my family, I got more sophisticated as I got along, but certainly the pivotal point was building that property port portfolio by remote control from Hong Kong. How many assets, average rents, average or just price a little bit. Did you do any rehab or anything? No.

 

So I very much focus on, oh, w let me take a step back. I always believe in focusing on where you want to end up and then working back to the. And generally whether it’s a financial goal, whether it’s a personal goal or a career goal, I think that’s a good process to adapt. And so my objective in building this property portfolio is to build layers and layers of passive cash.

 

And I w I put a premium on passivity, which means that I want this experience to be as hassle free as possible. And as a result of that, I focused on the ideal demographic that I wanted to rent to. And then I asked myself, what kind of property would appeal to that demographic. And as a result of that thought process, I focus on middle to upper middle class, single family homes.

 

And, depending upon where you are in the country, that means different things in different places. But I started originally in Southern California and, and I completely outsource everything with respect to the actual running of these homes. Again, my goal is high pacivity and Melissa and over the rents being brought down average.

 

Yeah. So starting in Southern California, the purchase prices range because I did this over a number of years from $330,000. Ultimately to about $430,000 and the rents associated with that, range from 2200 or so to to currently about 2,600. And so it’s, and I have a number of properties that fall within that range in terms of the cash on cash yield. It has been less spectacular than other parts of the country where I now invest.

 

But the appreciation on those homes in California, and particularly at the timing of the. That’s been quite good. And so once I purchased a number of homes in California I felt that doing that, building that portfolio in California had run its course. And so I then started building a secondary portfolio in Kentucky.

 

How many houses did you get into California before you moved? So I kept at four. And then and right now they’re doing 80% on the value debt. No I am, I have a toxic relationship to debt. And we can talk about that, but I am all like, Okay. So you’re a hundred percent cash in those types of things.

 

Yeah, let’s talk about it. Most times out, I like to use as much debt as I can, as much as I cash it all. But yeah, walk me through the thought process. Wouldn’t you be able to take, you had maybe what, a $400,000 five policies. How much equity was there two mil to two in California?

 

Yeah. So the whole goal, again, you have to think about what the outcome is, what the desired outcome is. And for me, it was important to build financially. And so let’s talk about what that means. Most people think that financial security is a number, a goal, but actually financial security is an emotional state. It’s how you think about money. And for me,

 

I do not want to have it. Or have any anxieties about, about owing something to a third party. And so part of what enables me to sleep well at night is to know that I have zero down. And that helps me sleep well at night. And that is a personal choice, but I went to business school and I completely understand the financial benefits of leverage, which is why I outsource my leverage.

 

So I try to harness the benefits of leverage without that being in my book. And so in addition to these single family homes, I also invest in private placements, both equity and debt, as well as some closed end funds and all three of those financial categories, they utilize that. And if I’m doing a PE investment, I would much rather prefer.

 

That the sponsor gets institutional rates and gets the benefit of debt and have that debt on their books rather than on my books. And so through these private equity, private debt and closed in fund investments, I outsource this level. And so that’s my way of trying to harness some of the benefits of leverage without compromising, ultimately my peace of mind, which ultimately affects my financial security.

 

Yeah. And I think that’s exactly what a lot of our community does. Most of our credit investors are getting rid of their rental properties, going into private placements, that syndication circles, the key principle. Name what are your thoughts on, another reason why they do that, so they don’t get dead in their own name, but it’s also the liability, because right now, even if it’s an LLC you’re pro everybody knows right where to see you. They can look it up and they know exactly where your equity is and how much you have. What is your thought process on that side? Yeah. Yeah. And so it’s important to basically. Wrap these assets into a couple of protective layers.

 

And so one would be some kind of corporate entity, and legally that’s hard to puncture, but not impossible. And then on top of that to get some umbrella insurance, at a pretty high level. And so those are the two ways that I’ve been able to do that, to try to insulate myself. Again, going back to that demographic point that I was making, because I focus on middle to upper middle class homes.

 

That also attracts a certain kind of demographic that hopefully mitigates some potential litigation risk because I would respectfully disagree. That’s why we invest in workforce health. These, it’s not in the state of California, which is the litigation capital of the country, but also a lot of our tenants, they just are not, they just can’t muster a lawsuit.

 

And a lot of times the lawsuit it’s, whoever can power it and pay most for low legal fees. Yeah. Yeah. So I look, I have great tenants. I’m a good landlord. Most of my tenants have been with me for very long stretches of time. All of my properties are very professionally managed.

 

The management companies proactively make sure that the properties are in good order, and I invest in the property. And ultimately, and I believe that if you try to conduct yourself in the right way, ultimately that’s the best that you can do. Yeah, no I would agree with that.

 

But the rental property is just one small part of the portfolio. You mentioned private placements, to what would you say would be the asset allocation X between the direct owners. Too. I like your terminology, the outsource kind of debt or the outsource asset management.

 

I, so I truly put a premium on passivity and I belong. I believe in relying on professionals who have much more specialized expertise than I have. Whether that be tax professionals or whether that be property management professionals, insurance specialists. And I essentially, after I started building these single families and after massing about a dozen single family homes, I basically hit a threshold where I said, No.

 

W when I ask myself, do I want to make this bigger? And I could very much make it bigger and I can double the number of doors, direct doors that I have, but I don’t want to create another job. I left a very high paying job. And so Y.

 

I sold them off. Yeah. Let’s hear it. Why create that? But having said that, I, I like, and maybe it’s my Asian background, where people really. Prize and respect, physical real estate. That’s why I keep the single family homes as part of the portfolio. And I would say that part of the portfolio in terms of my income, because that’s really how I measure things accounts for about 40% of my.

 

But on top of that, I then layer it with private equity, private debt. And I have a very strong position in fonts, and so overall about two thirds of my portfolio is positioned and weighted toward real estate. But I also do invest in them primarily. Muni bond funds. And that is for liquidity and for diversification, just because so much of my portfolio is otherwise committed through long-term real estate investments, whether that’s private placement or during.

 

Okay. So the rental properties are just a bit of a tip of the iceberg in a way. I’m assuming, do you ever look to sell any of them or prune the prune, that part of the portfolio a little bit? I do. In fact, I’m in the process of doing, or at least staging one cell now. I am pruning the California properties.

 

For some of the reasons that you’ve mentioned before, the properties have appreciated extremely well, but they’re just not cash flowing relative to other productive uses for. For that value, like that is contained. And you’ve got a portfolio and Kentucky, as you mentioned, are you thinking about making it more into California properties or different geographic locations?

 

So I very much believe that one should try to have a little bit of specialization, early on. When I was building my portfolio, I actually thought I’d buy a place in LA. I’ll buy a place in Seattle. And basically, every market of the day, I thought, let me buy a place.

 

But I realized that’s crazy and for a small retail individual investor, it just doesn’t make sense. I very much believe in creating some modest economies of scale, which is why for direct investments, I focused on those two geographies and on nurturing an ecosystem of trusted experts.

 

That I can completely lie on and rely on to manage them. And so I am in the process of, and this is a multi-year process of exiting my California exposures. And, I don’t think I’m going to add any more. To Kentucky, because, currently in terms of a diverse diversification perspective, I’m concerned about concentration risk.

 

And so I’m trying to figure it out. As we speak, what to do, where to basically direct that money. And I haven’t conclusively landed on, on, on that last year. And by remote control because I was locked down in Thailand, I did a 10 31 from California and I bought sight-unseen three investment homes and.

 

And I did that because I had this reliable network of professionals who I’ve worked with now for a number of years, that they could be the boots on the ground. And that enabled me to do that 10 31 and basically convert one California home into three Kentucky properties, and that’s the way the math works.

 

So still on the fence of, you’re going to sell some of the California rentals one by one slowly, but you haven’t decided yet if it’s going to go back into more California properties or a different tertiary market or secondary, it definitely will not be recycled into California.

 

And so ultimately I will Lexic California, any couple markets, you’ve thought. Yeah. So I’m looking at Birmingham. I’m actually looking at DC, which is where I am at the moment. But I am also looking at DSTs at Delaware statute, statutory trust as well as opportunity zones as an alternative to buying direct properties.

 

And so I am in a diligence process on all those options. Yeah. So this is for folks listening, like DC is definitely a primary market like California, we’re very low rent to value ratios, lower cap rates. For Todd, this is a very different situation, right? His end game scenario is not an immediate growth.

 

But that’s why you invest for low caps for security and capital preservation in those types of markets. I would say today, if you were going to do that in DC and buy these higher end homes, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to do a cost SEG before 2022, before long, lock in those losses, just bank it on an 82 84 form for now.

 

But I know it seems like you’re still undecided, whether they’re going to go, the lower Capri type of market or Birmingham, I am. And I have a few months where I have a runway for me to figure this out. Yeah. I’ve got a couple of properties in Birmingham. I’m sure. Love to unload if you’d like to buy.

 

Yeah. So Birmingham was one of the markets where I originally bought rental properties, but I’m on private placements, syndications that mostly operate at this point. Great. These are like the conversations pruning our portfolios that want to be safe, siphoning it around a little bit, never staying stagnant, but never making wholesale changes.

 

I, one year I sold two properties in Seattle, bought Knight out of state. That’s a little, wholesale change right there in line change if you hockey fans out there. But these are the, what Todd is doing is very. Prudent and if there are ways to do it right, it’s very good, it’s very incremental.

 

It’s cautious, it’s defensive, but it works. And again, I think every investor has to ask, do I want to build a business or do I want to build a financial sector? And those are two different things. And depending upon how you answer that will then dictate how you scale and structure your investments.

 

So again, Todd is the author of Enrich. What are like a couple of big takeaways from the book, just to give people a little teaser to talk. Sure. So Enrich is about creating wealth in time, money and meaning, and because I’ve been obsessed with this work-life equation for a quarter century through my research, I identified three very common and pressing goals, which tend to.

 

Just Sapp, the life out of life for professionals. And these three core challenges are financial insecurity, time, poverty, and a disconnect in priorities. And so we’ve discussed financial insecurity and how to pay a paycheck. And job security does not create financial security in terms of time poverty. This is a pervasive problem among professionals Ernst and young says that insufficient time accounts for four of the five biggest hurdles that professionals face.

 

And so the third core challenge is this perpetual disconnect between how professionals wish that they could spend their day versus how they actually spend their day. And there’s this demoralizing gap between what we wish that we could be doing. And you know how we actually live our days. And that explains the deep funk that I was in when I was working at that Hollywood studio.

 

And I was demoralized when I thought it’s fire, because just how I was spending my days didn’t relate to what was important to me at that time. And so with those three core challenges, what I encouraged. Readers of this book want to create optionality. So that work becomes a choice and not an obligation and to take control of their lives through intentionality, which is, can you give an example?

 

Of intentionality, right? Yes it’s really about being deliberate and purposeful in how you spend your time. And so a great example is, and what I encourage every listener of this podcast to do is to wake up the most. And ask yourself what will make today a great day, not a good day, not another Wednesday day, but what will make today a great day.

 

And to consider that question on our personal dimension, on a professional dimension and on a financial domain. And then with deliberateness to go about and to accomplish whatever it is that you identified that will make this day a great day. That’s what it means to live intentionally. And so goals and goal setting and goal achievement.

 

They all keep, they actually occupy about a third of. And I dive deeply into the science of goal setting and goal achievement, because it’s so important, but it’s especially important at this moment in time to take control, because one of the biggest facets of this pandemic has been a perceived loss of control.

 

Where events and situations just tend to undermine and supersede everything. And at an individual level, particularly in lockdown, we have a little control. And so at a time when the world seems out of control, it’s mighty important to take control. Where we can in our lives. And that is the power of intentionality.

 

So maybe just give us some examples of you shoot, you’ve seen people make, because I think people understand so liberally that yeah, I got a great life. How I want it today. This is the ideal. But the problem I think people run into is myself included. At some point we’re just running on autopilot and we just lack the imagination to know what those things are, right?

 

Like what, there’s a governor on a lot of us. Yes. I call that the default setting and most of us are not aware of that default setting. It sets. Usually around college time when we’re in college and when we’re in college, we’re directed toward careers. And once we start climbing the ladder, we then spend much effort climbing as fast and as high as we can.

 

Without ever surveying whether or not the ladder leans against the right wall. And part of this default setting is that we implicitly subscribe to a 40 year ultra marathon. To create some degree of financial incision of financial freedom. In other words, we embarked upon our careers in our twenties and we hope to exit if we’re lucky sometime in our sixties.

 

And then we think we’ll be able to live the life that we wish we could have been living all along. How crazy is that? But that is the default setting for which most people unconsciously operate. And so the first step is to recognize the default setting and to recognize that often the juice doesn’t justify the squeeze and then to reject.

 

That default setting, but to be able to reject the default city, you’d need to have something aspiring, something inspirational to work too. And that’s where the notion of life planning and goal setting and goal achievement come into play. Let me give you a great example. So I was in my mid twenties, a few years out of business school.

 

My life was rocking. My career was rocking. I had just paid off all my student loans and I had just spent this amazing three week holiday in Africa with my family. And life, Life was almost perfect. And I was headed back home after this amazing vacation with my family and I was in Dubai at three o’clock in the morning about to board a flight back to the real world.

 

And I asked myself though, do I just go back to more of the same. Or do I go back with some intention and some purpose because I just felt directionless. And so on a scratch piece of paper on the floor of the airport, I scribbled out very long-term aspirations that I had. And once I got back into the office, a few days later, I really looked at that scratch piece of paper, made a couple edits and those aspirations became the first iteration of a life plan.

 

And. I’ve enlarged and developed this life planning system over a number of years, but it’s now become my central operating system and the whole process about making the time to understand what you really value. To understand what your priorities are and then to identify what makes an enriched and meaningful life for you just going through that thought process and articulating a few key aspirations that in itself is a very powerful process.

 

And by the notion of. Laying out what the biggest priorities are in life and then directing your focus toward those priorities. That really is the essence of living intentionally and creating this life of time, money, and meaning, which we all aspire to. What observation there you got out of your noble setting, right?

 

On occasion, you’re able to get out of your default setting. God gave you that traction to do that little exercise. Yes. But I think more than more importantly until that moment, my goals had been, career. Get rid of all my student debt, and I had kinda, and those were modest goals, but I had knocked them all off.

 

And without some team larger for me to work toward too, it was that feeling of directionless, NUS. And yes, getting out of my comfort zone was a great catalyst to recognize. But, I think that we all need to know what we’re working toward because to paraphrase Yogi Berra, if you don’t know where you’re going, you just might not get there with the Trisha CAC. Jessica the cat said something similar, right? You don’t know where you’re going. I can’t tell you where you go, where you are. Something like that. Cool. Yeah, folks want to check out the book. Enrich is the title by Todd Miller, website enrich one-on-one dot com. But any parting words, thought, look I think that, we as investors, we as a nation have been through a traumatic experience over the past year and a half. 

 

And the partying concept that I would like to leave for your audience is do we return to normal or do we aspire to something richer and better? And I would encourage everybody to begin to incorporate the practice of intentionality in their daily lives so that we can go as individuals and as a community to a richer and better normal.

 

Well said yeah. I think most people listening, you guys have already realized that there’s something might be better out there. If not, you wouldn’t have Googled simple passive cashflow, you and haven’t downloaded a podcast. So I think a lot of you guys are heading in the right direction, but keep going on that momentum and pick up Todd’s book Enrich.

 

Again, like Todd says, you have to find something that pulls you, but you gotta figure out what the heck that is. Do the exercises. I also have you guys go to simplepassivecashflow.com/goals. There’s a little worksheet there that you guys can download. And I think we did this in 2019 and 2020.

 

I did a video tutorial. You guys can pull that on the website. I will also say that in the book that I include 11 exercises that relate to different aspects of many of the themes that we have discussed, but that really this book Enrich, goal setting goal achieved. Is such an important process to actually fulfill and create the life that we all aspire to.

 

Everybody. Thanks for listening guys. You only take this stuff so far on podcasts and books. Join the community. Simplepassivecashflow.com/club. See you guys out in real life. One of these days. And if you haven’t yet connected with me, shoot me an email at Lane@simplepassivecashflow.com. Book your onboarding call, and we’ll see you guys next week. 

Why You Need to Live Your Life: Lessons From People on Their Deathbed

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On today’s podcast. We’ll be talking about being on your deathbed. What’s going to happen when you’re gone. maybe get you to think a little bit differently. Now I’m talking to the investor the other day and I corrected them because their whole thinking about investing is buy low, sell high and sure. I guess that’s what most people think of investing in, don’t take more of an active approach or, maybe the 80-20 or the 99% of people out there that buy low sell high.

 

And this is my big thing. Why I don’t really particularly invest in things like crypto. So Charlie Munger, who is Warren Buffett’s buddy at Berkshire Hathaway, went on a little rant, said, and I’ll say it I’ll quote him, “people who want to get rich quick for doing very little for civilization, investing crypto.”

 

And I think this is why I keep coming back to value- add real estate, when you’re value adding, it really doesn’t matter when you’re buying a market down, market sideways market. If you have the ability to bump the rents up or lower expenses to increase net operating. You’re creating value and what the real value is, you’re making better living conditions for the tenants who in turn pay more rents, and then you can sell it for a higher price.

 

And, the trouble with real estate takes a while to get that built up equity, that routine equity out. But it’s one of those business plans that is tried and true. So I was gone talking to this investor and they were talking about their own personal business and they were saying like, maybe I should just exit this thing and take the money and go into crypto.

 

And kinda my thought was, this is a multi-generational business. And if you’ve taken that business as far as you can, and you can’t value adding in any more to improve the business system or as business operators know where it is, creating the wheel is the cycle of this business money making machine. If you can’t make it better, then maybe you should just go and do something that the average Joe does out there, which is invest in  crypto.

 

And, if you’re somebody who can add value to the system, whether it’s real estate, which is, improving units, making better living conditions for tenants, or you have an operational business where you can, I don’t know, just, thinking of ways, find out, find a better vendor supplier, making management improvement within your staff, things to make it leaner or improve the bottom line by improving income sources of your value adding that business or in the business world, that’s the Bita, as opposed to the operating real estate role. But no real estate is essentially a business. I think it’s one of the easier businesses to run because it’s backed by a hard asset.

 

Yeah, just put that thought out there. I think the thing with simple passive cashflow it’s coming on to, what’s the purpose of this and that kind of working with a life coach and the mission is simple passive cashflow is to get investors, out of the rat race, introduce these new ideas so they can change lives.

 

One example would be, like implementing a simple strategy, like real estate professional status and your taxes. Now one spouse can stay at home, check that box and their taxes, and maybe they net, or at the end of the day, because they’re using their passive losses to offset the ordinary income  of course consult your tax attorney and all this type of stuff.

 

And we’ve got a lot of content surrounding taxes at simplepassivecashflow.com/tax. Just to prepare you for today’s broadcast, maybe check out the info page at simplepassivecashflow.com/legacy. To start thinking about, how is this, what are you building towards? You want to invest in things that do value add, overall, why do you have all this money for, I talked to a lot of people that are five, $10 million net worth, and they’re living with a scarcity mindset.

 

And I talked to some people that make $150,000 and their net worth is shy under a million. And they have very abundant mindsets. I’m just in the lucky position, because I still do these free intro  calls, if you guys want to get signed up for the club it’s simplepassivecashflow.com/club it’s my way of seeing where out there and if that’s, to me, as my value adds to the world, I joke around with the staff and I tell them, Hey, I want to have two calls with people everyday. And obviously I want to have good calls with people, not people that just randomly sign up at which we typically filter. But I want to talk to people who’ve been  listening to the podcast, thinking about this stuff.

 

Everything makes sense, right? Passive losses, taking money out your 401k, possibly not buying a house to live in, taking a heloc or at the very least with some of the built up equity that you’ve been having the last few years. And taking that money and going on the offense as opposed, see your money just getting killed by inflation at five, 10%, whatever it is today. you’re going on the offense and creating cash flow and taking part of value, add projects. And it all makes sense, but that’s the role I play as, we talk you through it, we educate you and I think that’s my overall value add to the world as opposed to what we do in business and real estate, which value adding properties.

 

But to me, my value add is if I can have a 10- 15 minute conversation, it pushes them over the edge. And so hopefully you guys go out there, you can change your own lives and maybe make the world a little bit better place to live in. I think that’s the big takeaway, always try and make the world a little bit better place than you found it.

 

Hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. We’re not going to talk too much about investing, taxes, legal stuff, infinite banking, which by the way, if you want to learn more, but if you want to check out the free eCourse, you can go to that at simplepassivecashflow.com/banking. But today we take a break from the hard investing stuff and talk a little bit more stuff that is enriching for the soul.

 

After all, it’s not that hard to get financially free. That’s why we call it simple passive cashflow for a reason.  Today we have Jean Key and Daley who is author of the Reflections of a Single Soul. She used to work as a hospice nurse, and she’s going to talk about a lot of the takeaways she has gained from working with people and that lasts a few percent of their life.

 

For those who don’t know what hospice is. Part where you go, where you’re probably not going to make it back around. So a lot of reflection comes around. And we’ve talked about near-death experiences from a couple of guests prior. This kind of goes along the same line if it’s not your thing.

 

Cool. See you guys next week, but for some of you guys who are definitely on the road to financial freedom like this slowing down, it’s not all about the hustle bustle. I think you guys will find this podcast enjoyable, but thanks for jumping on Jean. Thank you for inviting me. Yeah. So take us through your role as a hospice nurse, and let’s get going through some of the takeaways that you’ve gleaned from that seemingly unenviable job.

 

For me, Lane being a hospice nurse was really one of the biggest highlights of my career. I’m a holistic educator and speaker, counselor and therapist. I started my nursing career in 1965. And there were no hospice facilities at all. In fact that word wasn’t even utilized at that time.  We were not allowed then to even tell people that they were close to death. I remember days in my early career, we were not allowed to tell people their blood pressure or their temperature.  We had to keep imagining  us leading them through whatever they were going through.

 

And I always felt that people should be part of the journey, part of their journey of being ill becoming well or not becoming well.  I felt very strongly that I wanted to help people be able to talk about their worries and struggles and fears and come to a place of comfort and peace and acceptance, particularly about their dying process.

 

And like I said, there were no hospice facilities at the time. So I was very happy to find an organization in Pennsylvania that employed nurses to go into people’s homes and really connect with the patient and the family and the entire situation.

 

And while people say to me how could you ever be a hospice nurse? That’s so hard. Yes. It was very difficult to see people struggle and go through a dying process and see the family being in such grief. However, I believed that I could provide care for them. That was distinctly different from what was being provided in the hospital. And to help them to come to peace with that, to understand more about themselves and their journey through the dying process and into depth and beyond.

 

You were working with more folks on the other side of the age range, right? Things like kids, right? They’re not as experienced. They don’t have that perspective as middle aged, older adults. But how did they take it? Are they aware of their fate? They are more aware. I have three stories of hospice in my book that are very transformational.

 

They are wonderful stories of my three most memorable patients. One of whom is a little girl. She was nine years old. And that story is full of my amazement at her understanding of what was happening to her. She was told she had a brain tumor and she was told that she would not survive. But there were certain things that happened that she survived a longer time than anybody expected for particular reasons. And it’s just a wonderful story. I learned from her.

 

And children are very perceptive. They know when you’re telling them that. And when she, or any child asked me, am I dying? I looked at that and I would say to them what do you think about that? How do you feel? Do you believe that this is happening to you rather than give them a straight answer?

 

I wanted to see what they knew, what they understood and it was, it ended up being wonderful conversations.  Except for the babies that couldn’t really talk.  But they were the children who could speak even the babies in their eyes. I could see there was an enlightenment about.

 

So it was very rewarding. I cried along with families when these patients died. Yeah, I felt so good. And so did the families that we could all learn from these experiences and help the patient and the family to become much more comfortable, much more understanding, much more hopeful, much more at peace.

 

So let’s unpack that one story, right? The older kids are a little bit more aware of how the world works. Because they don’t really think much more differently than us actually all yet, they are a lot more transparent, authentic. One would think.  Do they go through stages of anger, despair, regret?

 

Is there such a stage that formerly you see or they teach you or what actually happened?  My experience was that by the time hospice was called.  These children and I’m thinking of the one in particular, whose name is Diane. These children already have faced in themselves that they are not going to survive this because of nurses coming into their home to help them to become more comfortable.

 

So the conversation with those children was more like I’m afraid. Can you tell me how not to be afraid? That’s what they would say to me. I’m afraid. I don’t want to leave my parents for example.  I’m afraid that they won’t be able to get through when I’m not listening. And so listening to them and their worries and their fears, I found that they had a curiosity about what was happening to them.

 

 And they were not nearly as afraid as some people around them were. And when they expressed fear, they wanted to know what would happen after they died with their parents, be okay with their siblings, be okay, where would they experience after they left this? Or, and they had much more of an understanding just intuitively about the spirit of themselves going on this.

 

It was more of a as more, not really, he was more of us. Sympathetic things to other people, then they’re more concerned with them. What would happen with them personally then? Yes. Yes. Would you say that maybe you haven’t worked with the older folks, but formally is that kind of the traditionally the case with older people, I’ve worked a lot with older people.

 

We didn’t have any. That many children in, at that time, this was back in the 1980s. We didn’t have that many children who were given the opportunity to have hospice care because doctors were still very new at all this. They, they just, they mostly wanted to keep believing that this child was going to live through whatever they were dealing with.

 

And there are still people that believe. That you don’t call hospice until the last minute. And that is somewhat unfortunate because hospice nursing takes care of patients, people, and their families in a way that a hospital nurse can’t possibly do all that. There were special techniques and special pain relievers and special comfort devices and special comfort positions that we all learned could be so helpful to the patient in their own home.

 

And of course now there are hospice facilities, the older people that I’ve dealt with, many of them were more. Because they felt some of the fears were that they didn’t want to leave things undone. They regretted some things that they did or they regretted things they didn’t do. They worried about that, and they were angry.

 

There are two stories in my book where of the three stories, two were adults.  Both a woman and a man who I write about were very angry, very angry. They actually threw me out. When I came in as a hospice nurse, I didn’t need this. I’m just gonna lay here and die. And the transformations over time in those people were just incredibly amazing.

 

And I had to write about them. What did they go to or what do they go from anchor? I’m sorry. Where did they transform?  Both of them transformed into the first thing was pain relief. So I knew that in order to help them, they had to learn to trust me. So when I promised pain relief from that and got them a little bit, more comfortable than I would be able to.

 

Instill confidence in them, in me and trust in me as I shared ways that they could spend whatever time they had left on earth nipping. So living in a way that they didn’t even believe was possible. And in the one story this gentleman I, after he trusted me and he, I started to talk to him about this.

 

What he used to do in his life, what were his loves? What were his hobbies? And he actually ended up in the story to live one more time, doing what he absolutely loved to do with force health. And that just brought him such peace and such joy. It’s still, all these years later, it gets the chills to think about him.

 

It’s like that there again, right in his home. And if it’s over a period of months  the doctors were amazed at his transformation. We talked about his fears, we talked about his regrets and his anger, that this was not at all what he planned, excuse me. He had planned a certain, he was used to a certain protocol.

 

He was used to a certain team. He was saving all the money for this. To buy a trailer and drive cross country with his wife. And none of that was able to happen now when he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. And so finding out about him, helping him to absolutely Reid himself of some feelings that he was holding onto holding back, I accepted all of that.

 

All of a sudden. All of his resentments, just giving him space and permission to talk about all of that was helpful to him. And then there, it led to us being able to help him live his last dream, which was beautiful. So let’s unpack the regrets. Cause I think everybody’s has heard people’s biggest thing on their deathbed is.

 

I regret it. I like to hear maybe a story or two on this, but, I think a lot of sales people would like to use this or regret that if you don’t buy the $40,000 program, you always regret doing it. I think the way I’d like to angle it from our kind of community. A lot of us are hardworking.

 

We spend time on growing business, investing, and being frugal. But regret is not like there’s a reason why you do it. There’s a reason why you can’t live it up today, but you’re seeing it. What are some examples of just to paint a picture for people, real life examples.

 

I did have a client one time. Actually I had his wife and this was when I was doing my holistic counseling full time. And because I do a lot of things in my holistic work. And there was a gentleman who was always worried about not having enough money, although he had plenty of money and because he was so focused on making this money and keeping this money and worrying about not having enough.

 

Making more and he would watch the ticker tape across his television, go by with all the numbers of what was happening in the stock market that he was actually missing out on a lot of this life that would have brought him joy. So one of the things that I felt was important for him to know, and for anyone to know somebody, myself, Is that, although that may be the focus, it’s like time and money, freedom.

 

So when you have money that frees up your time to things, and it’s important to do what you love, do what you love. And as you do what you love, you’re opening up your heart and your soul and your spirit to the abundance that is in the universe as. To live life more fully and because people at the end of their life regret in my experience, regret not doing things they would love to have done on this vacation or spent more time with their grandchildren or spent more time doing simplistic things with their spouse.

 

That even though they had money, which is important in this world, there’s another part of them, the spiritual part of them, the animation of them through this life, where they need to balance out  their life with also what they would love to do and do it. So that was most of the regrets that people had, any changes that, you’ve any personal changes that you’ve done, seeing this transpire multiple times, you’ve changed, made a change in your life personally.

 

Yes, I have.  First of all, I feel whatever worries that I had, my life changed dramatically. I was out on my own.  Doing something that nobody in my family believed in at the time I was supposed to be the leader. I was the oldest of six children. I was supposed to be the leader of a convention.

 

And I instead knew as a young nurse, that there was more, there was just more to life than the rituals that I had grown up with, worrying about money and worrying about time and  that I had to get things done. I always had lists that I’d stay up until one o’clock in the morning and cross off these lists of things to do.

 

And so when I made this transition in. Following my heart and my soul and what was leading me to find out more and more about life and the purpose. Why was I actually here? And I learned meditation and I learned how to open myself up to knowing that there are many ways of being who you are, regardless of whether people agree with you or not, or whether people understand or not.

 

And I took that.  It was a series of events that happened to me, much of which was illness. Every time I didn’t follow my path, that was inside of me to follow, I would become sick and I started paying attention to that. And so the more I followed it, my own path and my own inspirations that I felt were very  divinely sourced.

 

I would have success and I would be grateful for every single thing in my life. That’s a big part of moving through a light to be grateful for everything. And I was focusing more on what I had and what I could contribute. That’s another big piece of it to contribute to others, to give up yourself honestly, and sincerely and.

 

I’ve overcome many things. And I’ve always called upon the spiritual soul part of me to know like many times I was lost, I was alone. I was lost. I was in places that could have been very dangerous for me. And I just utilized all my resources that I had learned to know and trust that I was safe and I got through.

 

 I’ve had many experiences that would be considered metaphysical beyond the physical angelic types of experiences and my own near death experience, where my fear of anything has really diminished. And I feel supported. I feel supported by the power in the universe that breeds us. I feel as though When I determine what it is that is right for me and best for me, the ways and means of yours, it just does.

 

And it’s that I feel much more at peace with myself now at this age.  Not afraid of dying. I really feel like I should live till I’m 150 at least to do everything I want to do still. So what does your somebody say life is about balancing, doing what you want, but also achieving what you want to, how do you, what is your best advice for balancing those? My best advice is to look at what I feel are the four quadrants of your life. So there’s health and wellbeing as one quadrant. There’s another quadrant, love and relationships. There’s a third quadrant vocation. What are you actually doing to contribute, to work, to share?

 

And then there’s the time and money freedom. So I look at those four quadrants of my life and I encourage anyone else to look at support brought buttons and their life. And what are your discontents in each of those quadrants? And what are your longings in each of those quadrants? And how can you think about how you would love that quadrant or several quadrants to look in your life and start taking action?

 

Toward that. So for example, I would, I was afraid when I wrote my book, I was afraid that it’s making my soul so vulnerable and I had fears who would want to buy this book and I’ve got nothing but positive feedback, which showed me that I did the right thing for me. And so that has brought me some that.

 

I’m following.  And I encourage people to really look at those quadrants of their life, to me, time and money, freedom go together. Because when I have the freedom to do what I appear to do and love to do the money will come. And then that frees me up to Look for people who I can depend on and rely on to take care of the money that I’ve invested.

 

 Even if I think I don’t have the money for something that I want to pursue. If it’s really in my heart and my soul to pursue it, I know I will be able to do it. And I believe in trust because that’s the dream and I’m going to take action steps to make that dream come true. As long as I am serving.

 

And I am honest with myself and I am  looking at the other quadrants in my life and where can I balance?  We are really spiritual beings having a human experience. The human experience is temporary. And yet, we each have gifts. We each have gifts to give the world and you are giving a gift flame by helping people to know.

 

How to be successful in their money in time, freedom quadrant, and probably all the other projects as well. That’s why I want to hang out with rich people. No, I’m joking. That’s absurd. Okay. Chill out guys. This is a free podcast. Yeah, but yeah I think of it the same way, like the, I call it the stool. You said it in a different way. That’s a little bit different, but yeah. Physical fitness, money, fitness, spiritual, which I think maybe partly with vocation and then the last one is relationships.

 

Yeah. So the same thing, but I think yours was more. Vocational was giving back, right where it, in my opinion, like less people getting their own money and time straight in a way they can’t move on to the next quadrant. I just don’t. I haven’t, it’s very rare. I see that happen. People need to put their own oxygen mask on before they start given that’s right.

 

So you can’t give from an empty well, and that’s why self care and self nurturing. Is so important. I had to learn that because as a nurse, I was continually getting out to others as the oldest child at six, and my family was continuing giving out and I still do except now I had, I learned over many years.

 

I had to nurture and take care of myself so that I could keep full enough to give to other people. And that includes money. And that includes time. And that includes sharing and effort and it includes physical fitness and it includes enough rest and sleep. It includes all of those. Parts of ourselves that we can feel really great.

 

It’s important to feel great. And in order to do that, I believe that we need to really get honest with ourselves. Look within, listen to that still small voice within that will always lead and guide you in the right way. And then you pay attention to things that open up. I’ve had areas open up in my life that I never could have known were available to me.

 

Unless I followed that inner voice and that includes money. That includes time. That includes health.  I had a reason for coming back from my very put down experience. I didn’t understand it at the time. It took 12 years for me to actually know what it was and I’ve lived well beyond that time now.

 

It’s just for me to share with others right now and tell them that,  look at yourself as a very special human being. Each of us has talents and gifts, and each of us is unique in many ways. And so utilizing those talents and gifts and intelligence and. Resources are actually going to free you up from regrets at the end of this temporary life.

 

And you’re going to say, wow,  I really did everything that I was here to do, everything that I knew to do, everything that I’ve beeped and doing and being so taking care of yourself in all ways is really important. I don’t have that problem. I take care of myself way too much. I think I do think that’s a big thing for a lot of people.

 

They kinda, they need to go for a massage to spend some money on themselves, have a day or half an hour, if that and then just to summarize too, you also mentioned earlier about the concept of  not regret. And then you also mentioned. Earlier, stop worrying. What do people think about you?

 

What do you like at 14?  Like I think most people in their fifties and sixties, they stopped having body issues. Self-esteem issues that worry other people think about nothing says you can’t get there in your twenties or thirties or teach your teens this now that’s I say it.

 

I have. I’m not saying I’m perfect. I still probably think what people think about me, but you just live a happier life and it just gives no, F’s what people think at some point, if they’re not people, aren’t your jam, then they don’t need to hang out with you. Financial freedom allows you to do what you want, which will be one with the tribe that you want.

 

That’s true. I think that the happiest people in my experience are the people that are loving what they do and they’re sharing and they’re giving and they’re receiving knowledge that’s important to receive from others. I feel like as long as we’re here alive, we can learn and I am way beyond my 60s.

 

And I feel very vital way beyond.  And I feel like I have a lot to offer my grandchildren or all in various stages in college. And I feel when someone is truly happy with themselves and doing what they’re here to do, being there. And loving their life. It shows an energy around them.

 

The aura, it shows in their eyes, it shows in their smile. It shows in the way they treat themselves and others. We didn’t want to freak everybody out today. You get, make sure you guys pick up Jean’s book Jean Keegan, daily reflections of a seasoned soul in check that on Amazon.  One quote that I heard recently that we’ve posted in the Facebook group that some people commented on was an image of Steve Jobs.

 

Kind of looks like Skeletor is like the last leg of his life. And here in the sky, it’s just he probably  could afford whatever he imagined, but at the end of his life, unfortunately, his health wasn’t there. And so he wasn’t able to enjoy the fruits of a long life.

 

 And then I don’t know who said this quote, but it stuck with me and that quote was. You know the difference between somebody with a thousand dreams and one, and only one dream is health. So we’re all gonna die. We’re all gonna get old, something’s going to happen. So we might as well just enjoy what we got now.

 

But life is more fun when you have money, in my opinion. So do what it takes to get financially free now.  Any last parting words.  I would like to say that each of us wrote this down. My next takeaway, I think right now, is that each of us is on a personal journey of the soul of three members, our true divine nature, and to live in this world from that authentic place of inherent power.

 

From the place of your authentic self, you can create positive healing, transformative, loving energies that benefit yourself and the world. The journey’s path is so worth every single step to discover your core, essence of truth and live from that place of fullness, peace, freedom, joy, and love. Love being the most powerful of all and enjoy your money.

 

To share as you wish with yourself, anyone else for Borealis one of these days, but yeah, if you guys like this kind of topic matter, check out simplepassivecashflow.com/happy.  I  wrote an article out there that I think you guys would also enjoy. And we will see you guys next time. Thank you very much.

College Admissions Strategy: What Most Don’t Know About

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Hey simple passive cashflow listeners. Now, today we are going to be listening to a podcast they recorded a while ago, as many of these podcasts are. So if anything happens to me and I die, they’ll probably be simple, passive cash flow podcasts going on for another year and a half. So just in case, you’re wondering, but we have lots of staff that kind of help me get these episodes out, in case I cease to live on this planet.

 

Now, I’ve got a kid and, the way I’m doing the whole college savings thing is I’m creating an infinite banking program. Where I just stuff, a whole bunch of money and to here and I’m going to invest it in the first decade or two of the kid’s life. But as they reach the end of their high school career and they may look to go to college, that is when I’ll start.

 

Instead of taking a hundred percent loans on my infinite banking and investing in a better investment. It’s making money in places. That’s when I’ll start to replenish it, if they need it. And this is why I don’t know why anybody does 529 plans because number one, it’s just garbage investments.

 

It’s like the 401k, investing for the clueless. And number two, you can only use it for educational stuff where there is infinite banking. It’s if a kid just wants to go to Portland and drink coffee and play the guitar or whatever the kids do these days you can use that money and infinite banking to invest more.

 

So you can go live your own life or do whatever you want. And I think that’s for those two big things, like 529s, don’t do it guys like seriously. Get an infinite banking program. I think it’s a great way to use your savings for this type of stuff. Check out the free infinite banking e-course at simplepassivecashflow.com/banking. You can get access to it over there, or at least, read the quick primer on this. We’ve had some last podcasts on that topic, but if you guys are in Seattle, I’ll be up there next weekend. Go to simplepassivecashflow.com/event. So while traveling, I always stop over at one of our investors in California, the west coast, and meet as many as you as possible.

 

So see people who  joined the club, simplepassivecashflow.com/club. You’ve booked your onboarding call. And I want to get to know you guys, and I want to attract the right people into our culture and our community and see who’s a good fit for our family office group which is our inner circle.

 

Again, we want to get to know you guys. Join the clubs simplepassivecashflow.com/club. You guys have friends, family, and have signed up on that link too. Another reason to sign up for that link as you get access to insights, stuff that I’m doing I’m actually going off to somewhere. Past Seattle. I’m not going to say where, but I’m just going to be cool. It’s going to be a little bit different than some people are used to, but you only get access to that if you join the club, be with the cool kids.

 

Hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. Today, we are going to talk to a college admissions expert. Try and get you guys’ kids into college. Maybe they’re not so smart. Maybe they don’t have enough extracurricular activities. College, maybe, isn’t everything. But in my opinion, it’s great for networking and it gets people up to a certain level, maybe colleges, the new high school these days.

 

But if you guys haven’t seen the Netflix special, I watched it. It was super fascinating and it’s called Operation Varsity Blues on Netflix. I highly suggest it, but it’s a college admission scandal. Took us a while to figure out what the heck this guy’s name was because it seemed to have disappeared from the internet.

 

It was Rick Singer. So, he figured it out this way to get people in the side door where the back is, people will pay like a boatload of money. I dunno, like quarter a million in billions of dollars to get people into the top colleges.

 

Basically they would find all these  sports teams that nobody ever wanted to join. Like boating the yacht club or whatever, and they make four big profiles. They call this the side door. And it was a lot cheaper and a lot of very high net worth people. And I’ll be honest, whether it’s morally right or wrong, I would see a lot of high net worth people thinking about this type of stuff.

 

With it being a doggy dog world out. And maybe your kids are just a little spoiled or tell me as most, second, third generation kids are right. Nothing to your guys’ fault. It is what it is. Let’s just call it out, by giving your kids or grandchildren a college education in your mind. And I would probably agree that at least you keep them off the streets in a way.

 

So this is important stuff and it might be worth the risk, but we’re going to talk a little bit about how to do this, the straight arrow way. Our guests here, an audio to silver killer boar who runs a company called personal college consulting. So she works individually with people, and does this the legit way.

 

But thanks to the audio for jumping on ain’t. No problem. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Why don’t you give us a little bit about your background, how you got into this type of a niche field? Sure. So I’m actually an attorney by trade. It’s what I’ve been doing for 27, 8 plus years, and got into.

 

College thing by trial, by fire a little bit through when our son was going through it and friends and so forth. And we just, we found out so much about what they’re looking for and how to work the angles and up your profile. And actually, it’s important at all different social economic levels, because if you have financial needs, You’re in a different formula.

 

And then my husband and I were like, we’re getting zero financial aid money, but I still don’t want to overpay. So what we found out about was this whole other world of what’s called marinade, that’s out there and that’s not based on finances at all. It’s based on. How do your students stand out, fit or Excel at the particular institution they’re looking for and that their scholarship band or grant money there to entice you to go there instead of somewhere else?

 

Because basically they’re giving you a discount and you need to know if you want that or, to bridge the gap between what you have saved or can afford for college. That’s really important because. All things being equal. Why would you want to pay 50? If you can pay 40 or pay 30 instead of 40 or whatever it is that your range is comfortable at.

 

So that varies for every family, like where those numbers come in to be. But the point is that those funds are out there and you have to know where they are. How much as possible to get, and if your students are in the running for those funds, just because it’s, there doesn’t mean they’re going to get it.

 

Right, so your business starts with the number side, which is very similar to any other business associate’s mind. People come in for deals, investment returns, taxes, but then you grow your business. You start to realize a lot of the big benefits people get is more on the softer side, that the.

 

Consulting of the students to get them ready for the admission process. Absolutely. For me, it’s all about the metrics and setting the proper foundation for each student. So the more time we have the better and then really advance what we have for them. So they pop wherever they’re looking for. But you run into a lot of times where either the parent or the student.

 

They only know the schools that generally, everyone knows or are local to them and they might not even know why they know that school or why they think it’s good. I’ve just heard of it. Or Mary Jo’s friend went there whoever, and I’m like, yes, but what do you want to get out of it? Because you need to match that up. So I take that emotional side out of it and really focus on where’s the best ideal fit for what this kid can Excel.

 

I’m in my late thirties now. I think I know a little bit more about the colleges than the parents out there, but I’m getting to a point where I’m like, admittedly, just saying that this college has a good football team or University Southern California is like this type of student.

 

I don’t even know if Arizona state is the best party school out there, I’m behind all the time. I guess if you wanted to search by party schools, we could, if that’s the important criteria generally that’s something we might highlight is that a school is notable for it, but it’s certainly not generally what people are searching for.  You do this every day. And I think this is why I really, a lot of smart people, not only for college stuff or this type of need is, you go and hire consultants, people that live, read this stuff all day and you pay them for what they’re worth. And you’re smart enough to know that you’re not an expert on this.

 

Yeah, it’s very helpful. Especially where there are people with higher incomes. We’re also busy working and doing what we need to do to keep our earnings up, that you don’t have the time to dedicate to really doing a good search that fits the needs of your particular student. They’re on their own and they’re certainly not.

 

Any kind of guidance like this at school there, that’s not their job. Honestly, their job is to get your kid through high school, the less problems they have, the better student they are, the less attention they get on that matter. And that’s just the way it goes. So before we dig into the process of what you work with these clients on, let’s have some fun.

 

What are the kinds of the top three? Schools that are the most valuable that people wouldn’t think of. Otherwise, just off the top of your head. Oh, that’s tough because we have caused people to listen to podcasts and they like this free concept that they get. And a lot of people that they just listen to because they have.

 

Sounded cool in front of their friends. So let’s give them, I’ll tell you one thing, for example, the Ivy leagues are fantastic, of course, but for you to really get funds at an Ivy league, you have to have financial need. So if you’re a high earner and you have a talented student, obviously to get in there, you’re not going to get money from them, but then there’s.

 

Amazing other schools that we only have eight Ivy leagues and we have over 4,000 colleges. So come on, do the math. There’s a bunch of amazing schools out there. So for example, I have one student from last year’s class going to Middlebury up in Vermont, right? That school she got, I think a total of $306,000 over four years.

 

So basically costing $1,400 out of. Per year, I think that’s a slam dunk, right? So you have to know where these schools are, where these pockets are. That is fantastic. It’s considered a little Ivy and it’s perfect for her. And yet she hadn’t even heard about it or knew how great it was for the program she was looking for.

 

And it was amazing. So that one just comes to the top of my head because it was such a. Opportunity for that family. Any other couple real quick, you can look at some of the schools while I’m east coast based. So of course I’m going to have a preference for out here. But Hofstra tends to give out a lot of good scholarship money and has really good programs.

 

And if you want to go out into central New York and you’re more tech minded One of their great tech schools is Rochester Institute of technology. Not only has all the tech programs as a stem based college, but has a business school and all sorts of communications and media majors as well. So it’s really a nice mix of a lot of different things that you might not think of when you think of a stem based school.

 

And they also tend to give out very good aid. And then I guess the opposite of that, what are the. The overrated schools that you think, maybe here’s some of mine. I hope I don’t offend anybody, but yeah, everybody gets offended these days. There’s so many different podcasts and colleges go to one of those guys, but, but just so you understand the kind of the type I’m thinking of, but like the University of San Francisco University of Pacific, they are expensive. Maybe not the best, but it’s for folks that couldn’t get into SC it’s, stuff like that. I don’t know, correct me if I’m wrong, but if I’m pulling up this is not what I do. So it’s just whatever, like my opinion means nothing at this. There are some that are overrated that a lot of people will go to, but you’re like, man, really Really depends on the region you’re in because your folks are on the west coast.

 

Exactly. So I’m gonna have a more generic answer to that in that a lot of times you have your big state schools that are your div one powerhouses and football and whatnot. So everybody knows that, so I was like, yeah, I’m going to wherever. And then you look at the metrics of the students that go there.

 

I’m like, really? That’s the best one you wanted to get into. And all right, for me, that’s overrated because if. Metrics grade-wise SAP wise are way better than their average, and that’s what you settled on and you didn’t get funds for going. I don’t understand those decisions. That to me, doesn’t make sense.

 

And adults and off the top of your head, kids went here. When you think they maybe should have been better off here for a certain. Sure. I have one that’s going to our flagship state university, which is University of Massachusetts Amherst, which is a very good school hard to get into, but she got into a different state school in another state in New England that gave her $120,000.

 

If she had gone there, she could have gone there for half the price and the difference would have paid for grad school going after something like, again, I’m metrics and money based. I don’t understand that decision, but you could only lead them down the path. And eventually everyone has to make their own decisions.

 

So she definitely didn’t pick the least cost nor necessarily the best rate. She picked the one that I think had the better party scene, better football team. There you go. So there’s so many other subjective factors. Like I say that, go into it, but my approach is to focus on the metrics of it.

 

What does the student really look for academically? What are they looking for socially? If they have an extracurricular that they’re passionate about or good at, that should stay in the mix because once you take it out at that level, you can’t get it back in later. And then financially what fits the needs financially of the family so that you’re getting realistic about.

 

All right. Even if I can get into the school, how are you going to pay for it? So you need to know your chances of getting in. Money, they are going to range from X to Y. And if that’s not enough, then we shouldn’t be focusing on that school. A lot of these colleges, the pros and cons of them, but for somebody listening that is that podcasts are the cheapest person that doesn’t want to pony up and pay an expert like yourself, what is like that minimum effective dose that they can do?

 

What do they do? What is it that makes a scene? That’s probably very biased. A day or whatever us news and world. Yeah. Whatever that is. Or the JD power and associates of college magazines or something like that, like whatever the heck that it’s worth. Is that the best thing people have if they want to do it the cheap and easy way?

 

No, but it’s one that I use to point out rankings because everyone’s familiar with it. So there’s a lot of different resources and I think the ranking should be. Maybe the last factor you factor into as a tiebreaker. For example, I’m looking at this school and that one everything’s coming in about the same.

 

And then you look at a ranking and say, oh, maybe this one’s more well-known or whatever, and that can help you in those things. But I don’t think you should be picking schools to start with based on us news and world reports, rankings, because. One of my pet peeves with them is that they don’t compare apples to apples.

 

They have everything chopped up in different segments. So you have national college rankings, you have national liberal arts school rankings. Then you have regional north regional, south regional, mid MES, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So how do you know you’re really picky? One of the other lists I like, because it’s just a number again, it’s just like numbers, right?

 

If you look at the Forbes list, If you even make the Forbes list, I think you’re in good company because they only rank about 1600 colleges in the US not 4,000. And they just gave you a better list, right? Yeah. You’re in the top third practically already. And then they just give you a number of one to 1600.

 

That’s great. And then you have things like the Washington review which really did a good in-depth study over a long period of time and analyzed, okay. This is what it’s going to cost you to go here. And what’s your return on investment after. Five years, 10 years, 40 years. And that’s where you can really go and look and go, oh, maybe the school really is overrated.

 

If my return on investment is only X after so many years, so you want to look at those things and then you have stuff like the Princeton review you have, Fisk’s, there’s a lot of different outlets out there that have spent time looking at schools, but not just because. They want to get into your Snoop symbol ports.

 

They’re analyzing them based on how well did the students do after they graduate or what are they employed in? What are they making? How much did it impact their social status? How did they feel about the campus and how was their experience over four years? There’s so many different things to look at there and then give you an idea.

 

If that’s a good value. I really liked print. I think there are 365 colleges. I think they put that out every year and they really focus on schools that have a good value. So again, that concept of return on investment and maybe schools you’re not as familiar with because they’re not huge names, but they do really well for those students.

 

Yeah, that word value that makes people’s ears perk up purpose, that the audience, they love that about value. I want value for my dollar. The price is the number you pay, but the values that you get, not always. Exactly. And I always tell parents when it comes to the social aspect of school. So I like to be realistic, you need to have them engaged and want to be on campus and involved because. For those of us that all have been through college. I’m like, what are you going to do between Thursday night and Monday morning, not study, probably. So what else is going on campus or nearby? And if it’s not what you want, then that’s not where you should be.

 

Yeah that’s what my parents thought. I don’t know why they spend all that money for that. But, yeah so again, check out that operation, varsity blues, Netflix show, but they talked about the Lori Loughlin scandal and it was not only her. It was also this H Macy guy that actually got in trouble.

 

Yeah, you’ll see her name come up. She paid again, I’ve watched the same special, and obviously I have an interest in this stuff. She got in trouble because she paid someone else. And she didn’t realize that she was paying someone else to take her daughter’s SAT. And what she was sold was that Rick Singer told her, oh no, I have a contact you can pay.

 

So she gets more time to take the test because she might have some kind of learning difficulty or whatever. And there are some ways to do that. If you really did need it. But what he ended up doing was this was not the real test. This is a whole side thing. He arranged with someone else reviewing her answer.

 

So her score was way better. And then somehow submitting that to the college board. That’s just cheating straight up, so what are some things you’ll work with folks that are a lot more moral than straight arrow that I think a lot of people just don’t realize is in the bucket of trig.

 

Yeah, we don’t do anything like what this was doing. That’s crazy. But you do want to maximize your portfolio as far as the student’s identity goes. And the more you can, like I said, pop at the university that you’re trying to match with the better. So take advantage of everything that students do, so if it’s a sport and they want to play well, first let’s get real about how good they are at it so that you can target the right division of schools. Are we looking at a div one athlete, a division two division three, they’re all different and then make sure that you’re identifying schools that will value that aspect of them.

 

So if you have a hockey player, that’s applying to a school that doesn’t have a hockey team. It really doesn’t matter. Now. It doesn’t show how great he is at that sport. That’s just silly. You want to make sure that things are in their mix and that fit their level of talent and interest and that the school values that.

 

And when I say they value it. They’re going to give you some funds for choosing them. And that doesn’t necessarily have to be tied in as a sports scholarship. Cause you really only going to get that at a dim fund. So that’s an easy one but let’s just say you just have a smart kid, but they’re really not the.

 

Athletically inclined. They must have some interests. So you want to make sure there’s other things in there for them. But the first thing to do is to diversify by geography. I always look at these things as tiebreakers, this person has the same profile as another person, same grade scores, SATs, whatever, but everybody that’s going to this school is from.

 

And you’re applying from Ohio or California or Nebraska. Right off the bat, you’re going to stand out because you are diversifying their geographical profile versus everybody else that comes from primarily the same area that they’re used to seeing. I know that what you see is right. If you’re an outsider, it’s extremely difficult to get.

 

Where are the UCS? It’s difficult, but it’s not impossible to get into a UC for boys or an outside state. And that’s because your state schools are always going to be financially in the best value. If you will, especially if you’re a higher earning family, that’s not going to get any financial help.

 

You’re going to pay sticker price, at least, the sticker prices that, but what I do with that information, I use that as my baseline. How close can I get to that number? If not better with other schools and generally speaking other schools that are private, have more funds to work with. And sometimes again, depending how you stand out from another state school.

 

Mike comes in, less expensive for you, depending on what’s going on, because remember you’re paying a premium to go out of state somewhere else. So right away, just economically they have more to work with. Do you understand? Got it. So if someone has for example, what I call a rock school in line, they might not be an athlete, but they really want to be involved in that big campus spirit.

 

Another state school that is very well known and very good might actually come in less expensive on net dollars than your local one. And I’ve had that happen as well. So let’s take a kid who is not very good at sports. He’s about a buck 50. I’m not the smartest kid either.

 

Plays a little and is pretty good at call of duty. Yeah. Maybe D and D. Yeah. Colleges don’t look for that. Like where do you take us through your process? So you start working with a kid, ideally like earlier, or like junior year what’s. Oh my God. If I have my blank slate, I want to start working with a kid as a freshman because starting freshman year in high school, you are starting the foundation of everything that’s going to come later.

 

So when we look at GPAs. As a senior for applying, for example, that GPA is not just the number it’s based on the strength of your schedule as well. So someone with a 3.0 versus someone with a 3.0 who took all AP classes versus someone who took all basket weaving has different credentials, right? So it’s the strength of the schedule.

 

So you always want this. To be doing as well as they can do in the hardest kind of class they can handle. And the problem with that is if you don’t address this till junior year, it’s too late, it’s not going to make a difference later. And you can’t, level up if you will. It’s like riding a bike, if you can’t handle it, Yeah, then go ride a tricycle. But whatever it is, we need to know where their lane is and then build on that. So if I can get them early, it’s great. And then you want to start seeing where their other interests are. I don’t care what they do to tell you the truth, as long as they like.

 

And they get good at it. There’s I think a misperception that you have to have a million extracurriculars and have all sorts of, pro bono activities and things going on, and that just, that’s not necessary if you’re good and passionate about something, do that and stand out at it, but figure out what that is.

 

So start early, figure it out and then pursue it. So it’s important to do that. And then I. That is starting to be a profile for this kid and they see where they’re at. And then I start looking for schools that speak to their strengths. So if you have someone that’s STEM-based inclined and they really love.

 

You should stick to those types of schools rather than looking maybe for the liberal arts, but the opposite is true. You have a very articulate, great writer and they Excel at history and English and really math and science are not their best things. Don’t put them in an environment that’s going to stress those types of academics versus the ones that they’re better at.

 

But also keeping there I’m about opportunities and keeping their world open. Because a lot of times what happens at the high school level, you don’t even know what you don’t know yet. There are so many majors out there that you’ve probably never even heard of. So the idea is to get into the right environment in a college or university atmosphere, so they can explore that, but you have to set that environment.

 

And what works for one does not work for the other. My other pet peeve with these counselors at schools that I just don’t think are helpful at all. They’ll just set them off on a little computer program and say, Hey, go look at that. And the problem with that is it’s going to always start with the same.

 

You want a small school, a big school, a suburban school, an urban school. Do you want to campus, do you not want to campus? All these questions, I’m like, how do they know if they haven’t even been anywhere yet? You have to compare apples to start figuring that out, but don’t go Willy nilly looking all over the world for this.

 

You should start with the metrics that make sense for you. And then look at them in different environments and start seeing what stands out for the student. How does the cadence of interaction work? Then, if the parents are smart, they’ll sign you up very early, right? Like maybe freshman year, but what do you do with them for an hour to zoom every quarter, twice a year, or.

 

It depends when we start and how much time, because I’m all about a project-based approach. So I want to set the universe with. Research of who I think we should start poking at. So the more time I have, the more they can consider, then I want the students’ feedback and we’ll talk through those different things.

 

And then you start to see the patterns emerge. What’s standing out to them, what’s speaking to them. And then we’re going to start zeroing in on which ones you should reach out to. Maybe try to get some feedback on coaches or missions, and then setting those visits and becoming known to that institution so that you’re on their radar.

 

So generally speaking, I’m talking to them to start with at least once a month and as things ramp up. Weekly daily texts, zoom, telephone calls. It’s a very fluid and cooperative building rapport with the kids so I can’t tell you how many times we’re texting at 10 o’clock at night.

 

Just Hey, what’d you think of that? Oh, that’s great. That set me off this. And then, and then when they want something a little bit more formal, it’s usually at a zoom meeting. Most of the kids until they’re seniors aren’t even driving. So it doesn’t matter if they’re local or far, it’s the same thing.

 

And we’ll go through it. And then as seniors before, like this time of year in the summer, This is what I want my seniors writing the essays. So we’ll go back and forth. Give me some drafts. Let’s spin off some ideas and then I’ll look at them and go, okay, what do you think here? We’ll go through it.

 

Sentence by sentence, word by word, till we have hammered it down. Cause you have a word limit and you want to make sure that you’re conveying your idea, articulately and accurately. What you’re trying to say, but at the same time, beef up your profile, if you can, in that sort of a way. So it’s nuts to soup, right?

 

Start to finish all the way through until they commit. It would seem to me like the parents that are signing up for this type of stuff, they might be a little bit more on the overbearing side. And maybe do you see any, are some of the kids in it too? Or are there more detract?

 

That’s a requirement for me. I’m like the first thing I say to the parent is one, the student has to want to work with me because I put. Tons of time and effort into this. And I want their feedback. I want them to be able to communicate and articulate their thoughts with me. And if they’re not interested in doing that, honestly, I don’t have time for that.

 

The parent can step back or be as involved as they want, but for the most part, I’m working one-on-one with the student most of the time. Some parents are more hands-on than others. And then others just can’t follow directions. I’m like they say they want help and guidance. And I tell them exactly what to do, and they’re always too busy to get there.

 

I’m like if you’re too busy, now, it’s just going to get busier as they get closer to that graduation date. And then they run the gamut all over the place. But wouldn’t it be nice if the parents just let the expert do its job and kind of help as they come along or if it needs to be, and they’re wonderful.

 

They’re the dream clients. They’re great. Yeah. From the kids that get the most out of it, what kind of a relationship with the parents do they have? I can see some kids. They may not want to go to college, right? Yeah. Their parents think multiple six figures and their day job because they got to college.

 

They have this big degree, but what if they’re, if their student doesn’t want to go to college, honestly, they shouldn’t be working with me that I am not their shrink or psychologist. I’m not here to change who they are. I’m here to present them in the best light possible and find them the best.

 

Situations where they can thrive. And that’s different for each student. Like I’ll have some students that are super talented and then I have others that have the drive and desire. But like you said earlier, they’re not the top students. But they still want to go there and they still have ambition to do certain things.

 

So we have to make sure we’re looking at the right schools for them. There’s a place for them if they want it. But if they don’t want it, they’re not going to go anywhere. So then the follow through, I think those two instances, those examples, that’s workable, but I think the listeners, their worst nightmare is a capable semi capable kid.

 

And it’s just, they’re interested in different things, right? Yeah. And I have one client now where the student is actually very smart and talented. And the mom is very nice, but overbearing and they don’t communicate well at all. I’m always like the buffer and what she wants and what he wants.

 

Don’t really line up a lot. So do you want this? If you want this, let’s go down and do it this way. And then again, do they follow through or not? Sometimes the parents do. Sometimes the student does more or not, but she was all hung up on one Ivy school. And I finally had to say to her, he’s really smart, but he’s not getting in there.

 

And he doesn’t even want to go there. So no, but I’m just like, I don’t get it. It was more about her status. Then what was better for him. And he flat out said, I have no interest in going there. And then when I watched that Netflix special, it became very apparent to me. I didn’t realize that, cause I don’t have kids that age, but like it’s a big pissing contest.

 

Right? Which school your kids go to. And that’s why that guy was able to take such advantage of the high pain of ridiculous fees, because it had nothing to do with the student. It was all about the status for the parents. And that’s unfortunate. That’s not what we’re doing here. I’m all about the students and letting them know, Hey, oh, you’re interested in game design.

 

Wow. Do you know that there’s these schools here that do this and they’re like the best in the country, if you really want to do it? And their eyes might pop. Oh my God, that’s great. I would love to learn more about that. Because that’s their interest. Does mom and dad want to do that?

 

No. What about somebody who’s really interested in YouTube, Ben, all this type of stuff, but they don’t put any effort into anything. W what do you, as a counselor come in and get that stuff. Where are their grades at? Yeah, it depends. It depends where they’re at, they could still do very well, but academically is that where their interest is?

 

I don’t know. But as a side note, it’s gotten really popular on a lot of college campuses is e-sports do you know what that is? Something that’s very competitive and I would advise people not to get it. So that is my own opinion, because my thing is about what is it? You’re okay. Or. But what is it?

 

There’s no competition. E-sports, isn’t it credible, but it’s a club, right? It gives those like geeky kids that just want to play video games an outlet too. All right. I can still be a good student and then I can still go do some of this with kids with like minded. This is probably a subject more for the rich uncle channel, right?

 

Another YouTube channel I do, but from my business perspective, right? Like when you’re writing content, You’re looking at your writing for what’s needed out there, but what is little competition? Some of the worst, it might be wrong about this, but like some of the worst of occupations in the future, like computer programming, perhaps because everybody’s doing it and when everybody does it, compensation goes down and it just becomes more of a rat race.

 

Not saying, I’m not saying I’m sure it’s true. And people who work as pure programmers, please do not get funded. Stay away from the things that are highly competitive for you, especially, if you don’t want to do it at first. Yeah. One thing, if you don’t want to do it in the first place, you shouldn’t even be considering it, but you have hit something, a topic that I try to stress to the parents and the students at this level, because remember I’m dealing with high school students and I encourage them unless they really are helping.

 

A particular profession. I really encourage them at this point in time to not pick a job. Don’t think you’re going to call this to just be X cause most people graduate and go work in something completely different than what they thought they were going to do. Or they go in thinking they’re going to be something major and then five majors later.

 

There’s something else. My focus is what are you good at? What do you enjoy actually putting the time into, to do well with, and let’s make sure we’re getting you into an environment academically. That has more things in that arena, because I believe that then they’ll figure out their path and start to follow what makes them excited.

 

Sure. It might be a bad example, but kids, they might have the foresight to know, oh, there’s business school or business, make money. I want to make money. Is that not legitimate? Like interests? To me, it’s just dude, what do you know about business? I think if you can get into the zone, when you’re doing something and it involves numbers or ratios or calculations and you lose track of time doing that kind of stuff, then yeah.

 

I think you’re going to be more business math, economics minded. And that should be maybe something you want to consider, but if it’s like torture to get through those type of. Endeavors then why would you be focusing a career on? Yeah, I know myself. The only reason I became an engineer, cause that’s what I was brainwashed to do.

 

And one day I Googled what do engineers make? And they’re like on the top of the list without having to go to grad school. So probably I didn’t, I didn’t talk to anybody like yourself. I just went down that linear path, but yeah, I dunno. Pardon me? Let me know your thoughts. So this is just to get them down the line, just get them to college so they can actually grow up and actually get closer to the end game. Yes. I call it hunting. I think college, and I’m a very big advocate of living on campus. So again, getting your boots on the ground. That this is the environment you want to be in because I want them to stay there.

 

I don’t want them to come home every weekend or hardly ever because they should be immersed in the experience. But the reason for that is that it’s really a bridge to adulting. This is where a lot of kids are going to learn how. Grow up and take care of themselves and do things in summary controlled environments still.

 

So there’s a safety net, and that’s important. Otherwise you get out and then what, you don’t even know how to make yourself dinner or wash your laundry and go to work. That’s a basic skill. Cool. Let’s get there, and if you’re just always being coddled by mom and dad, All you have to do is open a book.

 

That’s only a small piece of being able to be successful later. I think a lot of people in our community, the younger and the older folks, because we have two splits in our inner community. They, the younger guys, they’ve been lucky enough to fall in a high paid salary position where they get a hundred, a couple hundred grand right out of college.

 

These guys will go into that and then figure out this financial independence, investing all these alternative investing types of ideas and use that as a way to get on the highway to go wherever they want to go in life. Where the people who have found this stuff a little later, they say it’s a little bit too late to find your passion and your career.

 

So you just work it. Unfortunately. What would make me really happy is that every kid I helped with found their passion and came out doing something. Cause I’ll tell you what my definition of success is for my students. You get into a college that you really wanted to go to, you graduate in four years, you get out and you get a job doing something you like that allows you to be independent and pay your own.

 

To me, that is the definition of success for someone coming out of college. My definition, success, not having too much time to think about it, is to go to a college. Don’t get into drugs. Don’t drop out. Don’t be the president who jumps off a roof and doesn’t, and this is the swimming pool and dies or something like that.

 

Get your punch yourself to a job where you can learn a skill. And then get good at that skill set, but then you said skill sets to get to that next level, that figure out what you want from there. So we’re close. Yeah. You still gotta get through in one piece and the other side, I’m a little bit more of a punting, get them down the road, right?

 

Yeah. Get him down the road, but I want to set them on the right road. Cause I think if you go down that wrong path, Passively showing up somewhere because you didn’t really give it much thought. I don’t think you’re going to have a very vested interest. And doing well there, and there’s so much time and money to be wasted.

 

If you start off wrong and then have to transfer, you never get all those credits. You never get all that time back. And it’s a waste. I see it as 90% of wealth. These families are two to three generations old. And I think part of this has to do with it. I’m a big believer in consultants these days for things like this.

 

Yeah, you went to college. You didn’t, you’re not an expert on college admissions for, oh, there you go. I’m a lawyer. So when people come to me, they need legal advice, but I can’t tell you how many times the conversation will start with a friend who did this and I’m like, that’s great, but that’s not correct.

 

But if you don’t want to hear that, then don’t come to me because I’m going to tell you what you do or shouldn’t do in a particular situation when it’s in my field. But before we get your contact information out there, any last parting words for, parents, maybe with teenagers, young teenagers, now that they’re busy, they’ve got money to spend on this type of stuff, but any other things that you should be thinking or doing day-to-day before, just make sure that your students engaged in actually.

 

Living the process, have them do the best they can. I feel the students job, honestly, as a high schooler is just to be the best student they can be and let the rest fall in place. You don’t have to overstress them out about everything, just let them be the best they can be at whatever they’re interested in and go with it.

 

Have to say, oh, you have to play this sport. Or you have to volunteer here or do all these other extra things to stand out. And I’m like, why? They’re probably perfectly fine exactly the way they are. If you just let them be who they want to be, and then go with it. Some of these kids are rebels. That’s to say that was me.

 

My parents say that’d be the last thing I do. So it’d be cool to have somebody like you to talk with and help you to do well. Yeah. And I think about the kids, and that’s one of the reasons I like to do one-on-one with the kids, because they can tell me something they’re not going to say in front of mom and dad.

 

How far away do you want to go or not far away in some, but somebody might just say, as far away as I can get from them would be the best. I’m like, okay, let’s go with it. That’s not a wrong answer, but it might not be an answer they’re necessarily comfortable, uttering out loud, in front of them.

 

But yet people want to get a hold of you. I’ll let you get your contact information. Sure. So my phone number is (508) 622-5250. My email is nod, NOD, which is my nickname because so many people can’t pronounce my first name NOD@personalcollegecounseling.com and personalcollegecounseling.com is the website and it’s also our Instagram.

 

All right. Hopefully you guys found this useful today. Again, we’re not giving any legal texts, parenting advice, because if you thought you were, what are you guys doing seriously? It’s a free podcast, but yeah. If you guys haven’t yet, please join the clubs simplepassivecashflow.com/club. Book the onboarding call, like to get to know you guys out there and we’ll see you guys at a future event. All right. Thank you.

 

Coaching Call – 4M Engineer getting started

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What’s up investors? We’ve got a really cool coaching call with a little bit higher net worth investor today, 4 million. And I think it’d be good that a lot of you guys who are on the road to financial independence check out all the coaching calls and what I would recommend. And we have archived all this in our members site, which you guys can get free access to.

 

By joining the club at simplepassivecashflow.com/club. What I do is I arrange all of these coaching calls and I think there’s several dozen of them now in the archives, but we arrange them in terms of networks. If you’re a dude who’s still starting out half a million dollars in network, you start there and you work your way down.

 

If you’re already at 2 million, you start there and you work your way down and eventually you’ll find this call. 4 million net worth engineer, John. And then, it’s all part of the journey, right? One thing I will mention, I’ve talked to a lot of higher net worth investors, even those pass end games, which I define as four to $5 million net worth.

 

The reason why I call that end game is because any Bozel can invest four or $5 million and make a five, 10% of attorneys should be able to live off the bat and pass it off to your bone head kids. If you don’t teach them the right way to actually make money work for you. For money, trading time for money.

 

That’s what we don’t want. Yeah, if you guys join the club, you guys can get access to that. This simple pass a cashflow.com/club. And I’ll be out in Santo here a little bit. We’ll feed guys meet up in person, but check out all our events@simplepassivecashflow.com slash events. If you guys aren’t part of our family office group, basically these events are a chance for us to meet.

 

My self to meet you and you to beat me and get a good sense of who you are to see if you’re a good fit for the family office Ohana group, which is our inner circle. If you guys want more details on that exclusive blue go to simple passive cashflow.com/journey. But if you’re somebody out there who thinks that simple passive Castile community is the only group out there with high net worth accredited investors investing in this sort of way.

 

You’re right. There is that we are the only group. There are a lot of copy catters, but they aren’t that great in my opinion, because trust me, I’ve been there and this is why I created this group for this high caliber type of people. No. You cannot just mooch off of these pop-up events we have, right.

 

This is like your one opportunity to come and check out our community. If you really want that community, number one, go find it on your own or number two, join our family office group. Sorry, but we have always had these new investors coming in. If you take a look at the people who came through our last voyage trip, half of the people are family office Ohana clients.

 

And the other half is this revolving door, right? People will come in, they want to check out the group. They want to see if it’s all real. They want to see if I’m a real person. I get it. I would be thinking the same thing. But what happens is what most people will do is they’ll come in. They’ll like it, they’ll start investing, but they’ll need to put their head down, back in their work and make more money.

 

Eventually I would say four to five years later for most people. And if you’re $1.5 million net. You save 50 to a hundred thousand dollars to put two investments. You’re going to be financially free, probably in three to five years easily. If you implement,  going into good deals, the tax strategies, infinite banking, super simple.

 

That’s why it’s simple, passive cash flow. And at that point, after letting that time go by, let it bake in the oven for three to five years, social connections with this kind of family office ohana group is going to be what you’re looking for. And you will probably join the family office group at that time.

 

But, I think this is where, what new investors do is they try it out, they jump into some deals and then they just have to go back and work and just let this stuff simmer over time, because this is not a get rich, quick stuff that we’re doing. It’s a way to get rich slowly.

 

That takes several years to get the momentum going. I started investing in 2009. And what a lot of people don’t realize, from 2000 to 2000 or 2009 to 2015, going from zero to 11 rentals. That was just such a slow grind for me at the time. Now, things are moving a lot quicker, network. Just money too. But what people don’t realize is when you’re in that era between, non-accredited investor status to two, to $4 million net worth, it’s a slow grind. But there are ways to accelerate, which is, building a peer network, which is why we have the family office group. But anyway, enjoy the show. Hopefully we can meet in person and here we go.

 

Hey folks, we’ve got another coaching call here with John Jacob Jingleheimer Smith. His name is mine too. And John’s got about a few million dollars net worth might be four, might be five. Once you get past 2 million, you’re just trying to get to that next shelf for just four and a half, 5 million.

 

And then I feel like the next sentence is wrong 10, just cause people are like double digits, but, we’re going to go through his personal financial sheet and see what problems he’s got and cause it’s probably something that you guys have. If you guys like these, please join the investor group at simplepassivecashflow.com/club.

 

And if you guys also like these go to join our family office group, where we do this with every single member and every, all the numbers each. But it’s more of an intimate group. We only have 80 people in there now. It is a closed group. Vegas rules what’s said in the family office group stays in the family office group.

 

But John wants you to give us some context. Tell us about yourself a little bit. Sure. I live in California and am married with three kids. I’ve been one of those guys that wanted to be a millionaire at the time I was 30, wanting to hit it in stocks, not in real estate and then lost it all.

 

So I had to rebound and it took about 25 to 30 years to completely rebound. Within that time frame probably bought and sold about 13, 12 to 13 homes. I’ve kept three of them. Two of them, three of them have rentals. I don’t have any rentals anymore. I’ve gotten rid of them all. We basically liquidated so we could buy a house in California because it’s really expensive.

 

But I think it was a good move because our house has doubled in the last three years. So from that perspective, I feel like it was a pretty good investment. Yeah, same thing. I say every time I put like a $5 chip on the hardware that it disappears every time, but when I finally get it, I tell myself that was a good move.

 

You just never know. So again, it’s a gamble, just like anything else, but it paid off in this case for now. Who knows what can happen in 5, 10, 15 years? You just never know what’s gonna end up happening. I’m a W2 worker but I’m a serial entrepreneur, always looking to find out the best methods, but ultimately right now where I’m at the reason I’ve connected with Lane was the passive cash flow.

 

We have some money in our banks and I’d like to just get it to work for me a little bit better. I found a couple of investment opportunities. Some are risky but they’re paying off and they’ve been paying off in the last year and a half, two years. So that’s been good, but.

 

And it’s been a pretty good pretty good return on that per month type thing. But I’ve been really cautious and only put $10,000 into that risk. That being said, I hate paying taxes. I hate paying taxes. I, and I hate paying the government and I hate paying them off you here in town for things that they do.

 

I’ll pay for things when they’re fair and so forth. But I feel like there’s a lot of things here that are just ridiculous. And anyway, let’s talk about how we can do this legally. So paint the picture for folks, net worth 3.9 million. If you guys want to check this out on the YouTube channel, you guys can check it on the YouTube channel and follow along as we go through the.

 

Cash on hand. Let’s go through the bottom left quadrant, salary and wages about 18,000 commissions and bonuses. What do you, is this mostly you or is it your spouse? How is this? I was just me. I haven’t included my spouse stuff. She’s a teacher as well. She doesn’t really contribute to this portion of it, although she does contribute heavily because she takes care of the kids and so forth.

 

But long story short was now this money is just mine. I’ve been fortunate enough. I’m a director of engineering and, for a pretty, a great company. And they pay me well, the commissions, that’s a bonus. It’s just a bonus. I get a 15, 20% bonus every year. It’s been pretty consistent, but it’s not guaranteed.

 

All right. So you make about 20, 25,000 a month. Let’s take a peek at the expensive side. Nope. You guys spend, what about 15 grand a month? You have a family of three, right? Expensive living in California because you hang around with the Joneses to the left and the Joneses suckers, like to spend some money.

 

Huh? We don’t, we’re pretty, pretty conservative. So we, this is for sports for our kids and, club ball and that kind of stuff. So no private school. Okay. And then the day, it doesn’t matter how much you make, but it’s what should net. But still you guys are able to net about 13,000 a month, which is a hundred.

 

50 a year. So awesome. Like I think a lot of people in our group think that, the younger ones, they’re able to save 30 to $50,000 a year, the more senior folks like yourself with already assets producing income, you guys are out there, above a hundred, 150,000 a year.

 

So you can go into a couple of deals every single year. Yeah. That was my plan was to look at trying to do two homes a year is what I wanted to do. But then, I ran into you and we talked. I’ve been watching you for three years, obviously, you know that, but it’s been one of those things it’s like just pulling the trigger.

 

And one of the things that I’m trying to understand is a self-directed IRA. Do I need to create trust? How’s that? How’s the best way to invest with you? Yeah. Let’s go back there. Let me just so I want to break down the. This is 3.9 million just how it’s made up. So you’ve got a bunching, you’ve got about 10% of that in cash.

 

You’ve got about another 10 to 15% of that in various stock accounts and the 5 29. And then you got another big chunk of that in, but 800 grand in various retirement IRAs eight, just adding this up off the top of my head. That’s about half of your net worth. Whereas the other half are looking for it, the houses you got about a couple of million of equity in there.

 

Okay. So yeah, that sounds about right. Cool. Where have you started investing in deals or rentals or any non alternate? I’ve had this all year, Lane. My goal was to get into some wholesaling. We put a couple of bits on a couple of wholesales. They fell through. We never did get those.

 

I’m trying to do it with a partner. We started doing that. I knew that it was just, I just don’t want to deal with the ugly. He’s less than I am, but he’s a real estate guy. Yeah. It sounds like a classic case of, he just got lucky working with some rich guy like yourself and Greece. This is what I don’t like about doing those types of deals. You’re working with some broke guy. It’s just a matter of he’s got, he lives here in California.

 

He’s a saint, he’s with just his wife. They’ve done pretty good. He’s got two condos that he’s rented out and we just recently got this other one, We invest together. My plan was to handle the finance portion of it. And then he got the real estate license, which he just went and got his real estate license.

 

So that was the other thing that we’re trying to accomplish. But it’s John, you make this much at your day job. What are you doing dicking around with Polson? Exactly what I thought that hit the nail on the head. I do this for six months and I’m like, what am I doing? This is a waste of my time.

 

Yeah. And this is the epiphany. I think a lot of people are right? Like at the end of the day, as much as we say, we’re not trying to, we’re all chatting time for buddy. You make a good amount of money trading time at whatever this engineering direction. You do things that you’re not gonna, you’re gonna make more money doing that than taking on the risk of what are your wholesaling things.

 

Okay. But I think we’re in alignment right there. Okay. But no rental properties thus far. Okay. But no that’s but that’s good. That’s good. You said you had a bunch of these prior, right? So let me get my wealth. I think that was one of the things. Yeah. I think that’s a lot of times, that’s what I like to see.

 

I like to see people who own property too, because it checks the box. Because when you, before you start to invest in this stuff as a passive, it’s nice to know what the heck is in the black box, yeah. You mean like where you mean you don’t, can’t please people up during the holidays.

 

What the heck? It’s the slow season. No, man. People don’t really move around during the holidays, I mean at the end of the day, you wanna, you want to bring, you want to be able to be smart about your taxes and you want to invest in the right stuff. And that’s why I really like your approach, my lane, as far as passive investment, I’m probably one of those guys that wants to be that guy.

 

I just want to sit there and get 12 to 15% per year. Yeah. But you’re also an engineer and not only are you an engineer, you’re a director. So your worst analysis paralysis, what is it that’s holding you up? Cause you’ve been even stocking this thing for three years now. It’s still in business.

 

What, again, what is it? Or it might be a multitude and then let’s walk through. Yeah. So a couple of things, obviously I told you earlier, I want to be a millionaire. By the time I was 30, I was very close. I lost everything due to, stupid not having an exit plan, so to speak, not knowing anything, being stupid about, things and it took forever to come back.

 

And so then the other part of it is just trust, right? It’s really difficult to trust people, especially now that you’re at that point. And so that’s what you call it stocking, but that’s why I’ve been stocking. Here’s what I, here’s what I would do, right? Trust no one doesn’t trust me, John don’t trust me, but look what the name of the game is, or what I tried to do when I first started to do this is like you build relationships with other passive investors, other accredited people that don’t have a dog in the fight.

 

And you got to, of course you got to make sure that they’re legit a little bit. When they don’t have any kind of skin in the game, they’re not getting any referral fee for sending you over. You start to build deeper relationships with people, right? Some people, what they’ll do is they’ll come on the retreat and they’ll start just banging out questions.

 

What do you work with? What should we stay with? Has this been returning? And I think that’s the wrong way of doing it, that people see through that. And they know that you’re just out for themselves, relax, spend a day or two in Hawaii, get to know people, get to know them, build a relationship with, and then let that test stuff organically come out because people hold that stuff to the chest a lot of times, because it took them a lot of time, money and risk on their own part to get that precious information.

 

They’re not going to just give it up to some random person. But to me, that was one of the, what I did when I started to interact with people, started to build a long-term relationship. Another hack that I did is I also built relationships with the lawyers doing the paperwork, too. Some of them were working with somebody that was a little shady.

 

They probably informally took me off to do that, but that was how I went about doing it. How are you interacting or finding people of that caliber in the past? It’s really tough. It’s really tough. I’m in the process right now, trying to find a tax strategist. I’m trying to find what’s the best method I’ve known about this bank on yourself, the type of thing that you guys talked about, but I really want to talk to your guy and build that bank on your own plan where you can get money quickly to start investing into this.

 

I really want to do that. I want to also talk about re-divesting the five to nine. And getting the kids involved with, potentially, modeling or whatever, so I can give them an IRA and that kind of stuff. So I want to start planning at that level. John, don’t worry about that yet.

 

You’re going too far ahead of yourself. Those two things you mentioned are absolutely the most unimportant things for you right now, right? The order that we do this stuff is first go into deals that you don’t get your money stolen with the right people. That is the priority. Number one, because priority two is from those deals.

 

So you might make some money, hopefully you do, but you’re going to get the passive losses to play different games in your taxes. That’s where you could potentially say hundreds of thousands of dollars several years. If you’re doing a little infinite banking policy, you get your $70,000, 5 29 be directed. That’s nothing, man. Don’t waste your time on that type of stuff.

 

And I think that I can already tell this is why you’re so successful at your job, right? You’re a technical guy. You focus on things and you just grab a whole other thing. That’s right. I do. And I solve problems. I solve really difficult problems and I’m like a bulldog, once I get in there and I tear it apart, like you said, I’ve got that engineering mindset.

 

So I sit there and tear everything apart, down to its base. And then I tried to build it up, but I don’t have this background, and this is something that of the approach.  I’ve been on my own since I was 12 years old, I was a kid who lived in low-income housing. So it’s not like I had a silver spoon in my mouth.

 

And I’ve done everything by myself, but that’s the hard part right? In this financial maze. There’s a lot of noise out there such as the  self-directed IRA thing that we’ll talk about here in a little bit, but just before we go there, infinite banking, it is a classic. Sometimes in the family office group, we’ll talk about this thing for hours.

 

We’ve had literally four to five hours of calls over the quarter on this one topic. And we joke because it’s like, guys, just stop optimizing this stuff. It’s a creaking commodity at the end of the day. It works. And if you optimize it, it doesn’t move the needle for you that much.

 

So that said, for people listening, go to simple, passive cashflow.com/banking. Put your little email in there and then get the free infinite banking. E-course it’s two or three hours, I think, going through that. But Jeff didn’t go. Don’t do it yet. I know you, you’re focusing on the wrong problem right later on, when you’re in a few deals for several months, then you have the time then go back.

 

But just trust me on this. It’s not going to move the needle that much for you. I believe, you’ve done a really good job laying, I’ve been following your career kind of thing, so to speak. If you’ve earned my trust. Okay. So if I were to trust and we’re going to put in a hundred or a few hundred thousand dollars into some test investments, where are you going to get it from?

 

W what I’d like to do is I have, I just basically divested, I have an IRA that has a hundred thousand dollars in cash. I just wanted to use that directly. And move that into, that’s why we talked about self-directed IRA, because I want to move that over and use that as a hundred thousand dollars.

 

I would use this liquidity first, you have 400 grand on liquidity. You do it with that first, but that said, let’s just make believe you don’t have any liquidity. Just making the problem hard, right? Yeah. Because as somebody who sits in my checking account and I’m earning 0.1, nothing.

 

Yeah. So this is what you invest first. Okay. So let’s fast forward six months and you’ve blown through this stuff. Whereas they’re going to come from next. I think it should actually come from the non IRA stuff first.

 

And you’ve got another 400 grand really? You don’t need to make these properties art or that’s all in stock though. That money is in stock right now. I’ve been chilling in stocks lately, but again, if I sell that I’m going to be hit with a huge tax. So that’s what I’m a little concerned about.

 

Either way you are right. Whether you physically data from the IRAs to get out well, not if I do it with a trust through SD IRA at that level, then there’s, or let’s talk about this. So people, I’ve done many coaching calls like taking money out of your retirement accounts, which is what I recommend for most people, because you want to pay our taxes on this stuff today, as soon as possible and not wait until the future, when your tax bracket will go up.

 

And the general tax bracket for everybody will be going up in the future. Therefore, And you want to get your money out so that you’re complaining that you paid too much taxes or the only way you’re going to be able to do that is to, I’m not paying now though. That’s the problem, right?

 

Lane. I’m not paying any taxes because it’s just sitting there in these accounts, but you will, when you take it out. And so let’s like, it’s a two-part test. So first I look at your income. You’re already, what is your AGI about just gross income right here? My, is that what, when we take home is, maybe minus maybe 20, 30 grand usually is what it is.

 

What’s your take? No, not to take on your total income. What’s your salary and bonus? Two 15 plus 30, call it two forty five, two fifty. And then you add your spouse. She has another 50, so over 300. Okay. Okay. So unless you’re above three 30, which is the highest tax bracket. So we’ll look at the tax brackets, right? You’re slightly under that big jump from 24 to 32.

 

What I would do is I’d be freaking out a little bit every single year to take you right up to that. Or maybe overflow a little bit. No big deal. Hold on one second. There’s kids going in there. Give me one second pass. If you follow why, I mean that your AGI numbers will change here or there, but I just want to make you understand what you’re trying to do. Yeah. Okay. I’m trying to understand what you mean by AGI. So that’s an adjusted, let’s say if 1 27. It’s not 1 27. No it, yeah, they go look at your taxes and just search AGI.

 

It’s probably really dang close to 300. I don’t believe that’s the case, but we’ll look, I’ll look okay. Yeah. But for this example, let’s just assume it is. So you’re going to leak out a small amount, but like you have so much, it’ll take you, if you were to leak out 30, 40 grand per year, it’s going to take you 10 years to leak all this stuff out or not. It’s going to take you 20 years to leak all this stuff. And you explain to me what you mean by that I’m not falling in there.

 

Take it out of your retirement account. Pay the taxes, pay the penalty. Oh really? Okay. Yeah. Most people will look at, be like, oh, he said, you gotta take the penalty. Who cares? You’re a faint 10%. If you’re going to make that back in a year or two, and then it’s all gravy after that. Interesting.

 

You pay taxes on it. You’re going to have to do it one way or another either now or later. Yeah. But if you take it out, I thought, you know what the distribution is, obviously the 401k always talks about it as if you take out your minimum distributions and you’re lowering the tax rate. So I’m going to ask what they say, but I don’t know how, because you’re broken mult.

 

They’re talking about how most people broke in a few. That’s what I thought. I haven’t talked to anybody. That’s rich. That’s retired about this. Never talked to anybody about this, to be honest with you, this is the paradigm shift. But this is not that complicated. A guy certainly likes a guy like you can’t understand, right?

 

And this is where, if this is your job, you’re not looking for tax strategists. You’re looking at them in the mirror, visit your job at Fred. I know, but it’s so difficult. There’s so many things that are tax IRS codes. No, it isn’t real there. Don’t look at the tax brackets and try and estimate where your AGI is going to be at.

 

That’s how much taxes you’re going to pay and should teach glee. Do you want to bump it up or do you want to bump it down in a year? It’s not hard. What’s hard is what you do at your day job, John, that’s the hard part. This is. I just wish I could see it that way. It’s really difficult for me to understand that.

 

But for some reason, I’m just not sure that paradigm shift has not happened here. It’s just, you need practice, right? You make, let’s just say your adjusted gross income was 200 a year. So right then the prudent thing might be to take out a hundred, 150,000 every year, following the income to really get up to that, those higher tax brackets.

 

What do you mean by taking out your retirement money? Okay. Because once you go over such an ATI model, this changes every year, right? It says slightly go up every year, but I’m teaching you the principles. Yeah. Once you get up to that higher about now, you’re blowing red, right? It’s you’re paying more taxes for the dollar that you take out.

 

The key is to leak it out slowly. So you don’t go into the red, you don’t redline your engine. Some people, it’s your money. You can take it all in one year. If you want, you can say F it let’s take out all your hundred. Your AGI will balloon up to a million dollars and you’ll pay a whole bunch of it at the 50% tax rate. That just does not make sense. Yeah. That doesn’t. And I wouldn’t do it unless you were super confident.

 

You had another tax mitigation strategy and you want it to really be aggressive. But what I’m saying here is let’s be prudent. Let’s take it up to that, that, that part, where things get really rough in terms of your tax breaks. Under 330 is what you’re saying. Got it. So you take out enough to cover up.

 

So where, when I bring out enough, so let’s say 200, I bring out 130 or 125 columns. I’d pull out 125. I take that tax kid at 24% on as opposed to the other duties, taking it out at 32 plus right now, this is different for everybody. And I’m still shooting it from the tip. You’re not giving you any tax advice here, but this isn’t rocket science.

 

And we don’t know what’s going to happen in the future in terms of tax brackets, but our hunch it’s going to go up and things are in there. That’s going up, it’s going up. Trillions of dollars, it’s definitely going up, but this is just, you, we make a prudent plan. We follow it.

 

But even at this place you’re so close to that highest tax bracket already. It’s going to take you fucking forever to jail, break this stuff. So maybe you might want to be more aggressive and you might want to pop into that higher tax bracket a little bit every year,

 

but now you have the ability to ponder this right on the right thing. You know how these things work. I was almost like you would think that there’s, I’m a spreadsheet kind of guy, right? Understanding this, like I, I’m a process guy. It’s gotta be a process that we go through.

 

That’s why I liked Sankey.  I use a lucid chart every day at work to show what we’re trying to accomplish. And I think that the sand chart is very similar to what that is or a sand key, I just haven’t grasped that, but I guess I wanted to see that process of what do you do?

 

And then you can run different scenarios. It’s like the Monte Carlos, not the scenario. You do that for you, it’s very similar to that. So one of the things you’ve, and I think I’ve told you this is, Six Sigma in data is something that is very near and dear to my heart.

 

And so I would say I’m a master black belt in six Sigma methodologies, and it’s got us make sense. It’s got to have the data behind it. And so the strategies that you’re talking about actually make sense. It’s got to put it, I gotta put that down on paper to see it or play it. Let’s just walk through it.

 

Let’s play it on our head, make a few different options. And then luckily this isn’t going to, you need to make a decision now, or in the next couple of years, this is all in front of you. And you can have your subconscious mind work on this a little bit. But yeah, you’re trying to eat, trying to get this 800,000 ounce so you can invest in cash so you can get the passive losses from it.

 

Because when you invest through this type of stuff, you aren’t getting the passive loss. I see you got some crypto up here and not much. Nevermind. It’s pretty negligible just screwing around with it. So forget it. But that’s what you use the IRA money for non real estate tax event stuff like crypto, or I don’t use the IRA for non tax events and stuff.

 

No. Crypto is going to be taxed and, or like private money. That type of stuff. Non text then type of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously we’re trying to get away from that type of stuff. We’re trying to go to the passive investor, passive income plan for the active board. But, the other thing is the only other reason why there’s two reasons why I would probably prescribe a.

 

Qualified retirement plan or a self-directed IRA is if they’re already in the highest tax bracket, which I would consider you in there. You’re not like in there, like you’re making 400, $800,000 a year, but you’re in there. The second reason is if somebody already has a significant amount in their IRA, what I call a significant amount is a quarter million to half a million dollars in their IRA.

 

But you do have it here. It’s not like you’re not as bad as some of these other guys doco. Some of these other guys, their networks are like 1.5 million way less than yours. And they have a million dollars in their IRA plus, and they make a boatload of money to that’s cause that’s what though that’s what everybody tells you to do.

 

The world tells you to do, and we become puppets of the world, right? This is what you’re taught in school. Some better, some better puppets than others, right? Yeah. For you, like what I would suggest, I wouldn’t decide anything here now. Maybe try and leak out fifth, just take your stuff up to 330 or that next higher tax bracket every year.

 

But what’s that doing? That is a non-decision is still punting it for, because you have so much in there. But you have so much time to think and ponder if you’re going to con you know, increase that or stop that because, or just don’t even take money out of here just to stay frozen for now, because you have so much other investible funds, you have 400 grand here and your 400 grand a year, get that stuff deployed.

 

First, you have proof of concept with us, we are investing. What you’re investing in first to restore before you start messing around with this IRA stuff. I know you mentioned you want to get it going first, but I would say full doll,

 

because one thing is one thing I’m thinking of you have so much money here, you deployed this need to put a million dollars. This could possibly, you could retire on this if you wanted to. I still go part-time. My ultimate goal is, one of the things that we talked about was when you want to retire, my plan was to retire when I was 57, that’s four years from three years from now, almost.

 

That’s probably not in the realm of retiring with kids. No, it is. It certainly is, is it just right now? All these soldiers are not doing Jack for you right now. That is actually the stocks and bonds,  so let me just tell you that I put 120 into the stocks. I took it away from my financial advisor.

 

I took it away from my financial advisor because he was charging me $85 to do a trade and it pissed me off. So I bought some Teslas with them. I told them, buy it 300. Even though he didn’t get it until three 40 or three 50, he still charged me $80. And I was like, there’s free charges everywhere.

 

So I took it away from home and it was a hundred and 121,000. In the last three or four months, it’s gone to 3 21. So I’m doing it myself right now. And I moved it, to, to something that doesn’t cost me anything to be trading. And I’ve bought certain things like, I’m in the industry of things and I know what’s going on with a lot of different companies.

 

And I’ve invested wisely. So those, I guess my point was, it’s still getting. But even investing in, in syndications is a gamble. Let’s not worry about this yet. It’s working, it’s doing something the big priority is let’s get the, let’s get that’s up on top. Yeah.

 

I’m ready for 150, 120, $150,000 to give right there. And just and not only this is the home equity, right? The two mil equity. That’s what I’m thinking of too. That’s your lazy equity that you said you got a couple of million. Oh, yeah. In the house. Yeah, I haven’t done any. Yeah. So get a heat lock on that.

 

Start deploying that. He locked on that really? Cause I’m at 2.75 right now. It doesn’t matter. It’s not what that’s not wealthy think about. That’s what broke people think about. Interesting. So get a heat lock on the house and then do what with it makes more than like nothing. What you’re thinking in the house. It’s just going up with the pace of inflation.

 

Th this is the big, these are the rocks, right? This is all the sand right here. Worry about the rocks first. Gotcha. Interesting. Yeah, that’ll keep you busy for the next two years, so we don’t really have to mess around any of this yet. Okay.

 

So can you expand a little bit on the hilar a little bit? Yeah. So you know, you’ve got your home. What’s the market price on your house? 2.1 to 2.3. What do you owe on it? Okay, so you have about a million or so equity you’re at like around 50%. So you could probably borrow about 800 grand. I’m guessing.

 

At least 700. See that you could add that to your 400 right here, or you got at least 1.1, 1.2. If you can deploy the next day, if you want to. And that $1 million, if at 10% that’s a hundred grand right there, tax fee

 

How does the heloc work? I guess maybe I don’t understand that because then I’ll be paying if I borrow that 800, my, my payment goes up considerably, doesn’t it? Yeah. So this is a mindset thing, right? Sure. That he locked. There’s a payment associated with it, but who cares if you’re making, if you’re paying 2%, but you’re making 10 full percent at the neck, and this is the same thing that people have.

 

The same thinking with infinite banking policies, right? If I’m paying four or 5% on my infinite banking account, there are payments occurring, but you’re not supposed to worry about it because you should be making 10, 15% in the other investment. It’s just the Delta between two, it’s just a mindset thing.

 

Yeah. My mindset was to be a Strat tax strategist. I’d rather pay a tax strategist $10,000. If he saved me 10,001, if you do not, you can pay yourself 10 grand. Now. I’m just like you, this, these, this stuff, what to do at this is a hard decision, but you don’t need to make them yet. But what I’m thinking is you have so much money that you could probably just place this in your home equity, make an extra $10,000 of passive cash flow tax free every month. And you’ll be good. I think.

 

I’m not actually following what you’re saying, their lien on the home equity thing. You can take 800 grand out of your home equity and put it into deals or investments. And you can put another 300, 400 too. So that would be 1.2 million. Yeah. 1.2 at 10%. That’s 10 grand a month. Yeah. So you pay the 10 grand you get, so you actually get the 10 grand and then that actually allows you to pay the additional costs on the house that you increased. Yeah. But which is negligible. Let’s call it eight grand living. Harrison, me, John doing the engineering thing again. If you have, let me ask you.

 

Your personal finances are pretty well. We’ll go back to the summary tab. This is what’s happening. You’re still netting 13,000 a month. If I added another eight onto here now you’re netting $20,000 a month. After deploying out those funds, does that change your life? Are you still going to work?

 

What’s happening? My old plan was if I ever met in 20 to $25,000 a month, that was going to retire. That was my plan. Shoot. What are you doing? What are you going to work next week for? But that was like, so that’s my whole point, right? Like you have so much money and you’re so inefficient right now. If we just did that with you and we’ve replaced this money and then the 800 grand equity, your FYI will be close to zero gravity, zero cheat. Your network would continue to grow and you can quit your job. I don’t even need to deploy any of this stuff.

 

Is all overkill and therefore, this is what’s fun, right? Because now I’m like, all right, John, if you don’t need this stuff, I’m just going to leave it here. So you never need it. And this is what you can give your kids. You can give up an IRA, Roth IRAs, but then I’ve also had clients where their parents pass away and their parents give them an IRA or Roth IRA.

 

It’s a complete pain in the butt. Cause you got to take mandatory distributions from it. But that’s another story, like you don’t have to touch this money cause you don’t need to eat it. Leave it in the IRA. And that’s a very rare circumstance. Interesting. Okay. No, I like, I liked the idea of doing the 800.

 

So how do I go get this Wheelock? What’s the approach to do without any bank? It’s pretty much a commodity man. Yeah. I don’t know if there’s some folks in the foam or like a kind of optimize and find that one, wrap them, spear bank. I don’t know what it is. Cause I don’t get key locks personally, but you can go to whatever bank you get, whatever grade really doesn’t matter.

 

All the rates are the same and the heloc. What is the hilar actually doing? I guess I’ve not really done it yet. So the bank, okay. Your house is worth X right on the market. You don’t hold that much on it. And your bank is like, all right, yo, John we’ll lend you that based on. Yeah. And they’ll take it all day.

 

That’s an easy loan for them. That’s why the rates are so low and that’s why it’s a kind of a quantity. Okay. And then once you take that though, so now you are paying additional money on that 800 K. Yeah, but it’s pretty negligible in some easy locks. They’ll just make it like interest only, or they’ll take it from your equity from the house, which is negligible too.

 

But at that point, cause then you’re taking that money, plus let’s call it 200. So I’d like to put $200 and then they call it 200 out of this. My wife is one of those rainy day people, right? She’s oh, what happens if that’s what infinite banking comes in, but don’t worry about that yet. You got to convince my wife on this one on somebody, you know that she’s that person that is very conservative, extremely conservative. This is where I would design you a more holistic plan, which kind of takes those concerns and which isn’t as optimized, but it’s more conservative to appease those concerns. Just to get it to show one year. And then the next year, like I told her, I was going to take $10,000 into Z for, we call it.

 

And it was a crypto thing. And she’s oh, should we? I’m like, yeah. And then I’m getting 10% back per month on that. Look at the big picture. You got 800 grand in your house, not doing anything. You have 400 grand, you not doing anything cares about what you made on that $10,000.

 

The strategy we were thinking of is we were going to try to find a house that we could just fix up. We’re going to sell this one for 2 million, pay it off and then have a million dollars, and then basically live in California for free and not have to pay any payment. That was the strategy we were thinking of.

 

That was like a lot of pain. But the process though it is, and the whole process, you got, a $1.2 million house cures junk nowadays. So she doesn’t want to do that. She likes the house here. We have a pool, and that’s where you have to like straight within your own household, right?

 

Meaning you got to negotiate with some people, it sounds like maybe you just offer a pay. We’ll just keep the house and I’ll keep at least half a million dollars of equity in there. But Hey, let me try and get proof of consequence and this other stuff, maybe that’s and from their perspective, yeah.

 

It’s not going to keep the house and we stay up all the bones, the value. Yeah. Try it out. That’s not how it goes. This is great. So let me ask this question. Do you provide guidance there? How does this approach work? And this is all just let me do something real quick for you right now.

 

Just to shoot it from the hip, what I would do, they announced that I hear that your spouse has like that. What I would do. I’m going to build an infinite banking policy for her. So what I would do is I would throw in a quarter million dollars every year for six years, whether that’s on her or you probably her, cause she’s a woman and she’s cheaper than I would, yeah, I would throw it up.

 

If at banking policy we put in quarter-million dollars every single year, you max fund that thing for at least a couple of years, you only ever need to max fund it for one year. So it doesn’t decay on itself. It’s 150,250 again. Yeah. For after the five, six years there’ll be a million dollars in there, but the whole where’s that money come from.

 

That’s what she’s going to ask. So the first year is going to come from that liquidity. And maybe even the second year it was going to come with liquidity. But the whole idea is you invest through. It’s a pasture. Yes. You’re paying the fees, but the fees make sense.

 

There’s a break even point usually around your tour, five, somewhere in there. But that’s kind of your base, right? You can point to that as always being there it’s a lot more safe than these bank accounts. And then I can get rid of this term life insurance, right? These terms.

 

Yeah. Because you’re buying boat insurance way better. Yeah. You can get rid of that term, the 400 bucks a month. And then just keep the one that works. Yeah. And then does that go to both of us? How does that work with this infinite? Oh, it’s only going to go to her Uber as the policy. You can get a $5 million policy in BJU and put in one 50 each too.

 

But if you want the insurance part. It just makes sense to me. If you wouldn’t want me to yeah. Talk to the agent about that, go to the, yeah. We’ll connect you. The, but it’s just just moving forward on this, right? Like then maybe next year, 20, 22, you start investing into several deals at a hundred.

 

You get that proof of concept going, so this is going to take a long time to really deploy all this money. But by doing that big initial stuff of infinite banking, Alicia makes four or 5% tax free on that money. As opposed to not doing anything like how it is right now. Yeah. It’s true.

 

It’s literally, I’ve had this conversation with him before. It’s literally driving me nuts and it’s just. And then you invest that in the next, you keep doing that for another year and then another year. And then you’re for the most fully deployed at that point, you’re in 10 deals, you’ve got $750,000 cash value, which your friends were there.

 

Probably your cash value will go down because you start to invest that money, which is what you want to do anyway. And then that lane, so one of the questions that always comes up is, what happens if you lose your job? If I lose my job down the road, there’s always, you can get the, you can get the cash value and you should take a few days to get it back into your bank account.

 

Yeah. It’s pretty much instant liquidity. Okay, cool. And that concept is like banking from yourself. Like it’s technically not a bank, but it is, it’s almost secure, but that’s the idea, right? Your personal fault, you start investing your in, That, this is how I do things, right?

 

Like it would be irresponsible for you to listen to a guy on the internet and just take his advice, even though you understand what the heck is happening in terms of taxes, which you’re trying to do long term. And we’re trying to get to, to get this passive income portfolio. And that’s where the mastermind comes in.

 

Like now you go talk to, I’m just talking to six or seven different couples, similar backgrounds, similar income, similar networks. Yeah. There’s 80 of them, go talk to four or five of them and learn the lessons learned, have them answer, everybody has different hangups, and they can talk you through it. The more important thing is that you go through this process, and you start to build relationships with these people, because these are the people that you’re going to put your head together with, as you’re saying. Transfer that wealth to those few roadblocks that you just talked about, right?

 

When they grow up. That’s what I try and do is trick you guys into interacting with each other, to build those long-term relationships. But then, you come back six months later and you’ve talked to all these people and you’ve changed my strategy a little bit, but you’ve taken ownership over it and that’s what I want.

 

And then we go connect you with the right service, professional CPA tax attorney, lawyers to make this happen. That’s the process. Okay. I keep on getting calls left and right from the folks in Las Vegas Toby’s group. Yeah. But do the work yourself, empower yourself to have the right conversations.

 

But part of that is building relationships with other passive passenger colleagues and building your own family office. Family offices are made for people that are a hundred million dollars brighter. What y’all do, but what do you do when your net worth is one to $10 million? You need a peer group, you need to coach it together.

 

And that’s what the family office, Ohana mastermind is all about. Yeah, but that’s the procedure. Let me make sure I’m understanding. We’ve talked a little bit about things. So from a strategy standpoint, obviously you said you talked to folks in the mastermind, you’re coming to Hawaii, right? When you sign up, when is it?

 

January 14th, the 17th. I’ll be in Florida at that point from work maybe next year. But I’ll definitely come to Hawaii cause we love Hawaiian. We went there. We try to come there at least once with your points. I believe that the key is other people, right? Accredited investors, pure passive investors. That’s what you need to meet. Can you put me in contact with people here in California so we can like the trademark? No, you got to join the mastermind group, man. It’s pay to play with no outsiders only.

 

That’s how it works. Because if everybody thought that everybody knows about simple passive cash, now a lot of people loved the group. Yeah. You’ve been marketing yourself pretty well. How are you doing well, you guys like today, I don’t have to do anything other than, I spend a lot of money on Facebook ads and stuff like that. But as far as me doing any analytics, do anything, you guys tell your friends, half of all the people that come in today are referrals.

 

Guys run with the group, right? So let me make sure we’ve talked a little bit about things. So you’re saying, go look at doing a hilar and then also do the infinite banking as well. Is that what you’re saying? Yeah, but that’s what I would do if I was like looking over your shoulder, but I know that’s going to gum you up and you’re not gonna get anything done through me wrong.

 

I’ve been trying to get this money, other money, this basically, checking account and savings when I’m earning 0.1, nothing. And it’s pissing me off. I hate that. It’s just sitting there earning nothing, but I want to be taxed. I want to use that to cover my taxes and then also have a real,  it should be pissing off, man.

 

Like 400 grand at 10%. That’s 40 grand, 40 grand a year. What does that, what is 40 divided by 12, $3,000. Yeah, and this, I always use this analogy. It’s every, what is 30 days a week? That’s 300. What is 3000 divided by 3,000 bucks a day, a hundred bucks a day. Every day, you drive a little bit extra to go to Costco, to save $20 on gas, cheaper. You’re pissing away a hundred dollars every day that you don’t deploy this, but it’s worse than this.

 

You not only have this, but triple that in your home equity serves. So triple this. So it’s three more like $300 a day, six grand a month. Yeah. I don’t know. What is something you waste your time on? This is the whole thing about throwing money at the problem you got the money just haven’t transitioned to.

 

No, it has nothing to do with ambition. It’s just time, man. You don’t understand with three kids and a full-time job and it, it just wears on you. I spend, and we’ve been trying to do this real estate thing, and that was the, you bring up a really good point probably should just exit out of that.

 

Yeah. Cause we are trying to look at buying pretty homes. Just try it out, right? Not saying we’re not saying make wholesale changes right away, but this is the reason, this is the motivation that you’re not picking up having that six, $900 every day that you’re pissing away, but it’s going to be slow. You’ve been doing it. Been focusing on the wrong thing, keeping it you’re really good at keeping yourself busy.

 

Sure. It’s just understanding the right focus on this. I understand that. And if it makes sense to do it. It’s just like you said, being an engineer no, one of the worst, man, I actually, I’m very not engineered life. Natural reality. Yeah. No engineers read everything.

 

I don’t read anything as long as my lawyer that I trust as my back, I don’t read a thing. So that’s my point. I want a CPA and a lawyer that I trust and do good. That’s exactly what I want. Not out there. We’re not going to help out the average investor.

 

So how did you end up finding your team? I’m a rich uncle. I run school, pass the cash. So they found me. And my advice, my CPAs and my attorney, not, I wouldn’t say this feud, CPAs icon. I’m just in the same boat as you, right? Like I tell them what I want, signs, know what I’m doing.

 

I don’t know everything. I don’t know all the forms, that’s their job. But I’m an architect. They’re the engineers to go do this stuff. Here’s what you want to say. I want to make 10 points. I want to make 12% per month on the, no, that’s not their job. Your job is to be like, Hey, here’s what I’m trying to do.

 

Like you noticed, HCI is 300, but I want to be specific, we push this up to three 30 by taking all this stuff. This is the, what the, why I’m trying to do that. Can you look at how much passive activity losses I had? Maybe we can use some of this. We didn’t really get to the real estate professional status with you yet, but, yeah, when you joined the family office group, that’s what people are always trying to implement, especially with a spouse, being a teacher that doesn’t make that much money.

 

It’s ideal for you guys. It’s a complete no brainer, but you guys wouldn’t like that. That’s not your CPA’s job. Your job is to talk to the CPA, say, Hey, we’ve already put ourselves in this position to do real estate professional status inside quantified my siblings hours. Here’s a log book. If you need it.

 

What I would like to do is I would like to use a hundred thousand dollars passive activity losses. So I can cut to this much because of this. What do you think of it? Let’s have an educated conversation. Just like how we’ve done it here. If you’re seeing most CPAs. If they’re smart, they don’t want to work with you because of your pain. So there’s an art to this.

 

I think that was a good call. We got you down the road a little bit. I don’t want to overwhelm you too much. No, you’re not overwhelming me at all. And then there’s stuff that I’ve been talking through all the time. And I appreciate this. It’s just one of the things that really helps is trying to find what the next steps are.

 

Understanding that. So it’s this process that you talked about, right? So it took me forever to try to get all of this information here for you because it’s scattered all over the place. And so it was actually a good exercise because I had done it before differently, not on this level, so to speak, but I wanted to track it all for my wife to, in case anything ever happened, she would be able to find where all the skeletons are.

 

So to speak. Yeah, 70, 20 10 rule. Real my friend that you’ve just digged into the 10%, which is the academic stuff. The 20% is the people building relationships with other passive investors, for hackers to build relationships for passive investors, just in case he dies.

 

She knows where the 4, 5, 6 people to go to, to confer and get guidance from people don’t have any skin in the game that aren’t their CPA. That isn’t their lawyer. That, in my opinion, is the former law. If I die, my wife kinda knows who to go to, who to trust. And of course take the data points and come up with her own decision.

 

But then the other 70% is doing it, getting down the road, doing it. You’ve done the 10%, but you got to work on the 20th. So yeah. That’s the difficult part right there is it’s just carving out the time to go do that kind of stuff.

 

If it was just my wife and I’d have all the time in the world and I would totally be knocking this out apart. If you’re spending more than like a few hours in this passive investor thing a month, you’re doing incredibly wrong my friend. Really? Okay. I’d spend a few hours a week.

 

You’re doing it wrong. You’re not efficient with your time. And you’re probably not interacting with the right people. People ask like the family office group, I don’t have that much time to say all you need is four to five hours at most a month good. We designed it so that it’s for busy people exactly like you, multiple six-figures families. Yeah. So we cut the crap, we get rid of all this stuff you don’t need. Okay. All right. If you guys like this send an email to the team@simplepassivecashflow.com and we’ll see you guys next time.

May 2022 Monthly Market Update

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Hey folks. This is the monthly market update where we are going to be going through all of the important articles and packing investors these days.

 

If you haven’t yet checked out my book, the journey to simple passive cashflow, I think it’s like less than a hundred pages. It should be a pretty quick read. Go to simplepassivecashflow.com/book you can also check out the audio version where I get out loud to you. If not check it out on Amazon, buy the Kindle version there too.

 

So all these reports will be put up at simplepassivecashflow.com/investor letter that you can also go read all the old ones. Before we get through the monthly reports or different articles. One question that’s been coming up a lot is cost segregation and all this talk about bonus depreciation going away after this year, it’s not going away.

 

So bonus depreciation is just one portion of the depreciation that you get. And that is stepping down next year. So right now it’s a hundred percent next year, 80%. That’s 60, 40. I think by that time it’s like 2026 and probably they’ll extend it out is my guess. Normal depreciation, you’re seeing, isn’t a good example of regular depreciation before the bull versus the more aggressive depreciation timeline, which is coined the bonus depreciation portion.

 

So you’re seeing the difference between the depreciation, without the cost segregation or cost segregation and what you need to have more aggressively right off the investments. So you guys can take a screenshot here and take a look at it and compare it, you’re seeing how the depreciation without the cost seg.

 

In blue here on the left is a little bit more boring and then it gets a lot more spicier when you start to break things out and you’re able to write it off a lot more quickly. We have got other examples on this one I found recently, but I put it up at simplepassivecashflow.com/costseg  so the message here is, bonus appreciation is not going away.

 

Right away it’s phasing out 80% next year, 60%. Even 60% is pretty dang good. And remember, that’s just not like you get only 60% of the depreciation that you would’ve gotten. It’s just 60% of the bonus portion. The regular depreciation is still a sizable portion. But yeah, if you’re scarcely minded, just get all the bumps, depreciation won this year and invest a lot.

 

But I guess my message is don’t freak out because there’s still a lot of regular depreciation anyway. And only the bonus part, which is the add on is phasing out slowly that was, but you guys have any questions, please type it into the comments. I do read them. I am a real person here and wow.

 

Article here is a JP Morgan forms of billion dollar industrial JV fund. I like industrial, industrial is one of those asset classes that isn’t as hot as multifamily. People like multifamily because it’s very stable. People always need a place to live. I think the one knock on it, industrial is making good yields now.

 

If Amazon or one of these big players or something, there’s some kind of disruption in the marketplace, the need for warehouse kind of changes. If there’s a pandemic, we don’t use offices very often, or I was just in Seattle this past weekend and I saw the future happening.

 

So that one of those Ravion electric trucks driving around. I don’t know if they’re out. I don’t think they’re out. But, what if they just made those vehicles autonomous? To me, I think you’ve shortened the supply chain and eaten a lot less of these industrial  complexes. But whereas, multi-family is now always going to need that type of stuff because people aren’t getting any richer and they’re going to need class B and C housing, says RE business online.

 

And it’s a kind of a good feel, good way of investing because you’re going in, you’re creating a little bit higher standard of living for these kinds of lower middle-class folks, which is most people in America. Now, when most developers come in they maximize the amount of money, right?

 

There’s a lot of pain and effort and money that goes into building. You’ll be damned if you’re going to build something for class C B class, cause you’re just leaving money on the table. You always take it up to pretty much a plus class, unless you’re some kind of, into making all the money in your forum to like for the good of the world.

 

But yeah, most developers will build things for class A luxury, a class A market and exploring 20% of the total rental mark. New construction of affordable market rent units is not financially feasible today’s says the article. Also quoting the article, meaningful work for supply has rarely been added this past decade, despite the present need for workforce housing, the supply has decreased with older units being demolished to make room for class A.

 

Some of the investors always think that it’s boring walking through some of our projects because we use the same color again and again, that color is gray, GREY. Trendy colors of multi-family interior design from MHS image and news, but this is more of the class a side is their commentary.

 

And I pull creating a relaxing atmosphere, fresh living spaces, any perfect overall harmony, a lot of the natural light and finishes that put full in the outdoors. So they’re looking for more colors that calming soothing color palettes, softer materials. For example, blues and greens are widely believed to be common heating will white stands for purity completion and innocence color psychology.

 

I didn’t know I was an engineer. I don’t care about this part. So we are just going to copy what the other guys do and just keep doing it at the end. The housing news also reports top amenities for single family home renters. So they’re looking for walking trails, dog parks, green space and outdoor recreation was even more important.

 

And it was more important prior to the pandemic also, but the pandemic kind of just accelerated. Because people need to get all of that side of the house. If they can pretty much go out to places. Residents live in a home that offers space like more bedrooms, the better higher ceiling open for concept plans and also provide more room in their role.

 

Additional many are featured in our home security fence and yard attached garage and in the home storage and laundry. Gone are the days of those houses with kitchens and a weird hallway away from the living space. This gives me the shivers, or no, I’m sorry if your kitchen isn’t a hallway, but it’s just functioning obviously. Nobody really wants that. Unless you have workers for you cooking your dinner all the time and can bring it over from the back. It’s essentially like a back kitchen, but I probably don’t can’t afford that either can I. So RE business online reports that Electra  America purchases multifamily is just an example of where some of this capital is coming from.

 

And we talk a lot about Blackstone being the big behemoth, but there are all these types of smaller institutional funds like Electra that are jumping into this space here. They’re going into a 217 room hotel that is similar to micro apartments and, just as a general champion because the people they don’t really fade rather have more  than bigger.

 

These rooms range from 350 square feet to 840 square feet. Emergency rental assistance has helped them stabilize, struggling renters. So this is coming from the joint center housing studies from Harvard university. All this, we all know the federal interventions have helped to stabilize households whose balance sheets were beaten up, especially on your lower and your class B class C tenants and below.

 

For you class A people a lot of you guys are probably class A tenants or homeowners. You guys probably bolstered your cash savings cause you couldn’t just pull it off sporting events, vacation. But, for most of the people in America, which is why the need for workforce housing is so much more today, they needed this government assistance.

 

So over one fifth of lower income renters applied for rental assistance, tuning nearly half behind. So a lot of 2020, 2021, our property manager would sit down with a lot of these tenants to help them fill out performances so they could get as much government assistance as possible. That assistance ended last year.

 

But now we’re seeing a lot of it, as many things do. It takes a while for that slack to work its way through the system. Now we’re seeing a lot of evictions happening, especially in the last quarter.

 

Why net lease  cap rates continue to compress from commercial property, executive, supply chains, late expansion plans, new construction properties with credit tenants experience, greater compression. We’re talking about the single tenant net lease some more industrial and that those types of tenants not single family home  residential people these are more business.

 

Cap rates will face upward pressure as the federal reserve has forecast multiple rate hikes in 2022. And it just went up the other day. And I think people have always talked about how Shippo nets are really good because you don’t have to worry about paying for expensive things because that’s paid by your tenant.

 

The trouble with that was, the yields aren’t as great. So it’s really not good for people who are trying to grow their net worth. If you’re under $5 million, a few million dollars now net worth. At some point, it does make sense to transition into this a little bit lower risk, lower headache, especially type of investment, but, with inflation going up, it’s been a little bit nuanced that, your power as triple net owner has been going down because your sophisticated tenant will just skip town on you and be able to negotiate.

 

Especially when there’s another vacancy in the area, which kind of goes with my whole thinking. I said this on the podcast a month ago, a triple-net is more of a defensive strategy, but in times like now inflation is so high. You cannot play like a defensive strategy. You have to just go along with it. So that was just, that’s my thinking over all.

 

US renters migrate towards feeder cities and with Dallas sub bloopers of all the biggest renter magnets. So here, if you’re watching on the YouTube version, we’ve got a map here of some of the places where people are drawn to at green, Texas in the Dallas Fort worth metroplex in particular strongly attract incoming renters, along with a lot of the other sun belt states.

 

There’s some storage cafe among those just to list a few, approximately 10.4% of all of those interested in changing their residence for an out-of-state vocation chose Texas, Florida. And those, working on this chart here, top tech, Texas, top 10 cities for net migration. This is. I’m just going to read them out in order.

 

Irving, Lewisville, Dallas, Austin, Denton, Richardson, Plano, Arlington, Grand Prairie, Houston, Texas. As people work from home with a commute, no longer necessary, most cases become custom to living in fighter areas. So this takes a format native growth where people migrating within the same area increase local populations of non native growth areas, where they stop looking from one geographic area for another.

 

So that’s, it’s different. Like the non-native would be, people moving from California, going out to Phoenix, for example, whereas the native growth might be in that city, current city from one sub-market to. Millennials show up as the generation, most likely to make such moves indicating that these newly desirable destination appeal to these young families,

 

I’m going to read some of the top inbound versus outbound markets. Those would be South Dakota, may North Dakota, Illinois, that data, the inbound versus outbound. And this is my brief from out of state. Hopefully. It’s also on this chart here. If you’re interested in and get, check these videos out with, we have all the slides and even more commentary on this  at simplepassivecashflow.com/investorletter, a hot market for new multi-family construction permits.

 

This is always something to be interested in, especially when you’re an investor, it’s important to take note, where is the new supply coming online? The biggest multifamily permits coming online. Austin, Texas, Nashville, Raleigh, Denver, Seattle, Salt Lake, Orlando, Jacksonville, Charlotte, Philadelphia are in the top 10. And yeah, not to say that Austin’s on the top. So it also may mean that there’s just a lot of people or going there, like now. And if you’re in I think one thing that’s good is like newer inventory comes online. It helps your lower end because it pushes that price pressure up.

 

I’m looking at a deal right now where there just hasn’t been it’s more of a middle of the road type of property. And these flashy brands are coming in these bigger sexier brands. It’s good for those kind of mid tier, because the flasher breath will push the pressure upwards where we set it in our meeting the other day, where, you know, right now this particular property doesn’t have the confidence to push up because there is nothing, getting, setting that higher price so that this kind of speed can be translated in many different asset classes.

 

Obviously. That’s the good thing about seeing inventory coming online? The bad thing is that if you build too much of this stuff and you have too much supply on your hands, that’s where you have to weigh this with not only supply coming on, but absorption too, because if your inventory gets absorbed or people move into this new stuff, then you’re good.

 

You don’t have oversupply in your rents. Won’t decrease. So it’s just not overall. What I’m trying to say here. If you’ve missed the bullet on this phone, just because they’re building new stuff doesn’t mean that it’s going to drive prices lower because your stuff is coming online.

 

Ben says, information is held. Thank you. Then spend a lot of time on this. There are some holes at the end of this presentation, because I just didn’t have enough time for my own personal stuff this month, because I just got back from a deal hunting trip because I’m supposed to be looking at deals, not splinter on posting stupid stuff on social media.

 

See a lot of people these days, I think that’s a waste of time. Another thing. Top markets from new multi-family construction permits, or this is just continuing on this Arbor. So this is where a percent for apartment searches coming from other metros. So south San Jose Raleigh, new Orleans, Richmond, Nashville, Lewisville, Kentucky, Austin, Texas Providence, Rhode Island, San Antonio, Texas San Diego, California.

 

You already know that Amazon, Microsoft and Mehta have all made either new office demand, UNBC, convincing the Seattle area, the enforcing, the footprints, which could demand that the housing demands people always ask why don’t you guys invest in Seattle? It’s at this time, I like to go on the things that cash flow and those kinds of markets don’t really cashflow.

 

I like cash flow because cashflow keeps you in the game. Just in case there’s rough times, but yeah, I think Seattle’s a great market just like Austin is. And I think you can also say that Las Vegas is a cool archive. Firstly, like the market wouldn’t mind going there on business trips, but at this time it just doesn’t have enough to keep our heads a little bit above water in case there’s rough times.

 

I don’t know. It’s just not as appealing. I think you could make a lot of money at these kinds of markets, just like Denver and Salt Lake city. But, I think that’s something I kind of key in, on either a little bit more in depth. You guys can watch the video on your guys’ own free time to small markets and more multi-family type of, we had a question or a comment here someplace. May the fourth be with you since cap rate is being compressed, industrial. Have you seen the cap rate being progressive multifamily as well?

 

What are your thoughts of cap rate for the future of both families, especially in a pop market like Phoenix? I would say like multi-family cap rates are being lower or that industrial the less thought of an asset class. The problem with industrial is that the average person can’t really get into industrial and, that’s why I want to crack that code versus.

 

Just like office space, you need larger amounts of money to get into that business. The multifamily, you don’t need that much money and that’s what’s bad about multifamily, any like any deploying can do this type of stuff in my opinion, which is why you don’t see very many operators that haven’t been sold out to the stock market or IPO or gotten rid of big institutions stay in multifamily.

 

And that’s why, like the question does. I asked this maybe five years ago, it was like we’re all the thought, the people doing this stuff where before doing it before the recession, that ale like die and like the asteroid hit, the earth, killed all the dinosaurs. But then I found out like a lot of these guys who’ve been around for quite some time.

 

They either retire and go get a life, which I’ve talked to some people recently and I’ll plan on doing that right away. I’ll probably do this for at least another decade. They get into other asset classes that aren’t really touchable by the average bigger pockets, rural. But yeah, to answer your question, cap rates will continue to go down in my opinion on the bus. There’s some kind of disruption, slowing the market, but like my crystal ball says that there will be a slowing growth.

 

Let me make myself very clear. Slowing growth does not mean things are going to reverse, right? Rent increases will not continue to happen. It won’t go up by five, 10, 15% a year. But because it, even if it grows, it goes up 3% and 6%, 6% is amazing. That is technically slowing growth. So I say that so you don’t get all freaked out when Yahoo finance says slowing growth, this.

 

Decelerating growth. It’s decelerating now that doesn’t mean that it’s a bad thing per se. And I think that’s what the people always talk about the two and the 10 year. I don’t particularly understand that whole thing or they say you should look at the two and the three month thing on which we’ll all write in my newsletter.

 

My next email newsletter. You guys gotta be part of the email, the club, the simplepassivecashflow.com/club to get access to those it’s free and probably wouldn’t join all you guys get all these emails. You guys aren’t in the club because you just put in your first name to get all the good stuff.

 

You got to do that two minute online forum for me, but I have a little bit of a commentary coming up on that and yeah, let me know. I’m not good. And maybe it’s just better to put it into a video. So maybe you guys give me some feedback later on shoot the team and email that cast a vote. Let them know if they’d rather hear me talk for five, six minutes. That’s something versus putting it into an email.

 

But yeah, like that’s my thought on, they call me things or be two point 22, we’ll be slowing growth. Point 23 would be more slowing growth, but things are still moving along. That’s what we forecast rents to go up two to 3% every year, just with the pace of inflation, by the way, inflation might be, it might be an undershoot disinflation spend like 8%, but as long as, as long as it continues to keep pulling up,

 

But I like the higher level. If the institutional data, people are analyzing, people are saying that, we’re in for the roaring twenties, this continues for at least several more years. But the only people seeing the opposite to that I see are like the city YouTubers out there never listened to it, YouTube her out there like myself, unless he’s reading.

 

So Yardi matrix says year-over-year red growth begins slowly. Exactly. This is exactly what we’re talking about. Average US rents rose $14 in March. Time is 1642. However year over year growth dropped by 50 basis points to 14.8%. Oh no your growth dropped by 50 folks. It’s still going up.

 

An indication that rents are beginning to slow after 2020 ones record shattered performance. It reminds me of LeBron James. Five years ago, people said he’s not as good as 2009 abroad. Yeah. He’s getting old, he’s in his early, like early thirties, still kicking.

 

The article says rent growth continues to be led by population shifts to the Southeast and Southwest Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Las Vegas, Phoenix, all record asking rent increases of 23% or more in March. I was just looking at another statistic last night. Phoenix, if you measure it from like the low prior to the pandemic to now is like 38% increase in rents.

 

So multi-family data suggests that the market remains healthy through signs pointing to the netball deceleration in the markets. Deceleration does not mean going backwards over and again, I’m quoting however, economic conditions and global events contain headwinds that justify the expectations of moderation and.

 

So if you’re underwriting your deals for six to 10% in growth, it might happen. But I think that is aggressive

 

Bloomberg reports that Blackstone says alternative assets are headed to your 401k. So Blackstone, the big conglomerate, is trying to make fun. To attract wealthy individuals worldwide, it looks to leverage its track record of investing for institutional clients and boost allocation. Students funded by private banks, wealth, family offices, wealth managers, alternative investments like will see private debt and private equity.

 

We’re seeing the way to diversify and return correlated with traditional financial markets. These are one sole purview of large institutional investors, that kind of sucks, right? Only large institutions can get access to these types of stuff and non-leading and debt who don’t need assets to be particularly liquid.

 

But the creation of liquidity in search of surgical alternative markets to retail investors have brought into peel. So now just like how the full 401k opened up the average Joe to invest in stocks, bonds, mutual funds, stocks, bonds like that, and how Robin hood. The average millennial who just likes to play on his phone all day long can get into stocks.

 

I was just doing nothing the other day. I just heard these are like 17 year old kids having a Robin hood account. I don’t know if you can, I don’t know if he can have a rubber protocol or whatever, but I think it’s good. But I also think it’s obviously bad. I think it’s good because it’s good that these guys realize that they can put their money and they can.

 

When you can make money from them. So it’s been just blowing it on a Honda Civic, or Ford Mustangs, but it’s bad because they think of it as gambling and their Bible is so high mentality and they don’t really think of their money working to add value in the world. But Hey, if not, everybody’s going to create value in the world.

 

And if they, if you aren’t, then that is why Blackstone would like your money. It’s investing in alternative assets for the sheeple up there. Multi-housing news also reports Blackstone’s $12.8 billion deal to buy American campus communities. So they’re creating this real estate income trusts Brit and Blackstone property products.

 

Property partners, BPP will pay 65.47 fully per diluted share basically to get the student housing folks. And I’m not a huge fan of student housing. Here are our business reports, the student housing players, big push into build to rent markets. I think this makes a little bit more sense because the build to rent stuff is a little bit more boring, really boring.

 

And if you’re a homeowner, most people want a home that they love. It’s unique because there’s a special snowflake, but, I don’t think kids care as much, where they’re fine with everything kind of being modular. As long as it’s new, I think it is what they care about. And I think that’s why the appeal to the bill to read stuff it’s new.

 

So they’re looking to invest $1.5 billion in subdivision of rental homes in Austin, Denver, Dallas, Houston, Nashville. They’re saying that if the trend is filled by demographics, economics and the pandemic millennials, the baby boomers, the two largest population cohorts and the target residents. But then again, If you’re a millennial or baby boomer what else are you?

 

I said, they used to be a gen X thing that I thought I was in. Maybe I’m a little bit too young, but that went away and they just clumped me into millennials. So this is just writers being writers. And it just calms people into huge categories. It’s like saying, oh, you’re left. You’re right. We won’t go there.

 

But I just don’t know. I would, whenever I see them categorizing people as a bilinear baby, I think it’s just like a lazy way of trying to bifurcate the population up there. Student housing developers and investors are bullish on the outlook of emergent sector affordability challenges in the U S housing market will continue to drive demand for single-family rentals.

 

Higher interest rates could also push potential home buyers into the rental house. We’ll see how effective they are at building this stuff, because, whenever you build something new, you always try to maximize it for more class. A, like you said earlier in the webinar, it could be too expensive.

 

This is my thought. Especially with students being a little bit more price conscious. I think most people, when they think of college state, they spend money on the college first and then the, where they’re going to stay, where they’re going to live in policy. One of these books to read is an afterthought.

 

And they’re oh crap, all that, that cool built the rent stuff that I want to live in. It’s just too expensive for me. That could be a potential problem that I see. But yeah, like me personally, I don’t really like this type of investing. I think it’s just too many factors. I can’t get a good grasp on a lucrative job at different headwinds and potential pitfalls.

 

There could be. That’s why I am not really interested in that space as of yet. Multi-housing news also reports a top 10, most frequently traded multifamily assets of the past decade. And I threw this in here because this is what me and some of my partners discuss a lot of times. It’s funny because.

 

Somebody else we knew just bought this acid and it didn’t. That property just got bought and sold like three times the last five years or few years. Here are some assets of just listing, like the urban 28 and Phoenix on 88, 18 south central avenue that this thing got sold seven times since it was the old, or since the last 10 years.

 

Now, these are like the properties that I was watching a YouTube video on like Jose Bautista, the baseball player, the guy who went to four or five teams before he got good. And at the end of his career, he went to four or five teams. It is kinda like one of those arrangements, but these are the assets that, a lot of this is, has to do with somebody buying it and then the price just skyrockets.

 

And that’s what we’re seeing a lot now. Some things you bought, like one that comes to mind. I bought it for 79 grand per year. And then now I would say the comps are treating it like one 20. So it makes sense to just take the super big gain in this very short period of time under a year, it just moves on and we’ll buy, maybe two of these, that policy will do the same thing.

 

Not who cares about taxes, right? When you’re. Depending on the right things or, I mean that certainly there is low, so hot, barely anything got it. Market appreciation is different from force appreciation. Market appreciation is dumb luck. Sometimes it’s good to be lucky.

 

Real page report occupancy and bedroom units swell during the. Maybe this has to do with, more families are living in apartments these days because they’re being pushed out of the smaller single-family homes because of affordability. I dunno, I think more and more people are having fewer kids and now maybe even somebody needs a fact check on me, but maybe the need for family or the big dinners aren’t as big.

 

It depends on every sub market or on what your demographic is going through. But, predominantly one or two bedrooms, especially the one bedrooms are going to be here, your maturity and your apartment these days.

 

So it’s an efficient unit. We’re sure the studios which lost the most occupancy during the pandemic are up 200 bips in occupancy since February of 2018. Yeah. Maybe, maybe the logic there is that, people were in the efficiency unit, they’re just a single person getting started and maybe they moved in with mom and dad and, or moved in with somebody else, a roommate.

 

And then, it just popped up a little bit here in February or since February of 2020, maybe that’s just a bounce back. New York or San Francisco, they got hit hard with their rents because people didn’t want to live in the city, but, look now, it’s bouncing right back because those are just little cap markets.

 

Bull cap is not like the immature lane of 2020. It’s where I said low cap sucks. It’s more, more mature lane of 2022, where I see vocab as a sign of respect to those very secure markets. It’s a low rate of return because. It will be the most desirable place to live.

 

Do you guys like this? And if you guys are interested in building a network of your own, check out our family office on a mastermind. You can apply there at simplepassivecashflow.com/journey. Most people, they invest and they realize that they need a peer group around them. Triple is just, all these local real estate clubs and the free stuff online.

 

The unsophisticated freebie Facebook groups are just a bunch of newbies and sharks. They don’t know what the heck they’re talking about. In our family office people are big on personal relationships with, in our community. And right now we have a little bit under a hundred people. So we are getting a little bit bigger, creating a lot of different initiatives throughout the years.

 

So if you guys are interested in talking with somebody else in that room. Feel free to shoot an email over to team@simplepassivecashflow.com and go ahead and apply it. Simplepassivecashflow.com/journey.

 

But we’ll break into what I’ve been up to this month. And I didn’t fill out these slides because I just came back from New York the other day and she didn’t have time for some things.

 

Yeah. So sorry guys. What have I done for growth lately? I’m trying to look at different things. Like I said, I, at one time I thought you gotta be an idiot to invest in California, like New York, but now, like why are they low cap environments? So like Hawaii, isn’t that the one, like, why are they lower cap rate?

 

It’s a lower cap because it is less risky. The tertiary markets where you’re seeing have taps to the 6-7% range, which is two or three times higher than what you’re going to see in the vocab. But the problem there is well in a recession, those are the tertiary markets that the location sucks and nobody wants to live there.

 

That’s more riskier, like industrial, right. Industrial has better yields and multi-family, if that business were to get disrupted somehow, who knows what will happen, contribution. I just like talking with new investors. And, we, I was just in Seattle last weekend and there’s still, there’s like three investors that asked me like you do you have a recommendation for a financial planner?

 

And it’s, I said, dude, like what are you doing? Going in a financial planner for, seriously, like those guys are just, I dunno, they just don’t know what they’re doing. They’re just selling you till product. And that’s my big problem with all these wall street retail products. It just takes all your money away, but they have all these hidden fees and it’s just, it’s nice to get together.

 

And, or it’s a thought at that point where, yeah, we’re going to learn about this stuff, tax legal and what to invest with and build a little community amongst ourselves and become more sophisticated and. Than to just give her money blindly to a financial planner that just wants to walk in his nuts and click assets under management fees.

 

Significant. Yeah. I just don’t like that status post stuff of, investing for, for the sheeple, uncertainty. Yeah. I think the uncertain things that are happening in this world are like the Ukraine thing. If that continues on. Still using. I don’t know that for a fact, it just read that.

 

I won’t say that, interest rates keep going up, inflation is still there. I think at one time people thought that inflation was transitory because that’s what the government the fed said, but it kinda looks like it’s going to be here for a while. So if you have your money just sitting around, you’re losing money, but the interest rates popped up today.

 

They’re saying half a point, whoa, that’s a big jump. Normally it’s like quarter point, but half a point. But you don’t want that like a bipolar stock market that went up by 900 points of a Dow Jones and I don’t have anything in the stock market. I think it’s I think it’s silly.

 

Yeah, I’ll just say something, like that’s not saying it’s racist or anything like that, but people in like Asia, they don’t believe in the stock market. They want real hard assets, like real estate. Most of them, I would say, like they’re totally comfortable where they feel uncomfortable. If more than half of their assets are non real estate.

 

To me, I just see it like that. In America, at least, the messaging and the marketing has gotten so persuasive that people think that they need to have 80 or a hundred percent of their assets in the stock market. And I think that’s why I like traveling to different international companies. Meeting all these different types of people is so valuable that you can see these different viewpoints and get yourself out of your old paradigm that you’ve been stuck in.

 

People shouldn’t like debt too. That’s always a weird thing. So they like hard assets if they don’t want to put debt on it. So that’s where, if I think that’s wrong, that’s again, we’re all conditioned to sorts of types of things and you learn what it does. See what the numbers do, make decisions for yourself.

 

That’s what I say. And when you’re able to go up to me, the formula is going into things at cash flow, just in cases of recession that you can hold on to the asset. And how do you ensure that while you go into things that have a good debt service coverage ratio that surface penetration often has to do with how much loan to value LTV you’re holding kinda is, but really debt service coverage ratio is how banks do it.

 

That’s all the sophisticated do it. If you can’t pay your debt service, to me it may not be the best thing to put a lot of your money into, unless that it’s more of an asymmetric risk play. If it’s a relatively conservative type of asset, you’re looking at a debt service coverage ratio, 1.25, where do I get that from? That’s what all the banks require.

 

Noah says stock market grade for IRR real estate is great for cashflow. I’ve also added another layer on top of that. I do agree with that. But real estate, although allows you to not pay too much taxes with depreciation or bonus appreciation. So that’s another thing to think of too. And yeah, it’s nice to meet everybody in Seattle this past weekend.

 

We had maybe 25 people. We bought out a couple of rooms to do a, like a wine tasting. Half of them are more like family office members. We had a board meeting. I guess we’re planning  that retreat in January. We’ll likely do it in Hawaii. I’ve been doing some RFPs for Las Vegas and maybe Napa instead, but still too early to tell if you guys are interested in that annual retreat. Go to simple passive cashflow.com/club. Join there and you’ll be the first to know what we’re planning for the big get together of the year. But with that we’ll see you guys next month.

 

 

How to Add “Play” in Your Life

https://youtu.be/0u0loel4Quw

Hey simple, passive cash flow listeners. We are taking a break from the regular hard investing tax, legal podcasts, topic matter and talking a little bit about something that enriches all your guys’ souls out there. Something that I’ve been attuned to since starting the podcast actually, and getting into a lot of personal development is this aspect of play in your life.

 

You can’t pedal to the metal balls to the wall, type A personality all the time. If not, you’ll burnout and you have to infuse play into your day.

 

Today we have Mike Montague from playful humans.com. Going to be talking about how we can infuse this into our life without getting too crazy here but thanks for jumping on Mike.

 

Yeah. It’s so great to be here and I’m glad you said without getting too crazy, because there are some people in the play space. I’m not going to know any names, but they like the crazy bow ties and like the gags. And there are, they’re wearing balloons on their head or whatever, and they go a little too nuts.

 

That’s not me personally. I feel like I relate to your audience. A lot, because I’m a professional, I’m a professional sales trainer. I try to take myself seriously. And how I got here was I was trying to do the Tim Ferriss thing and just over optimize and measure and be super productive and watch my time management and analyze everything and collect that.

 

And I just found that it didn’t work for me. It works to a certain extent, but like you said, it’s really easy to get burned out and go, wait, why am I doing all this? Why am I trying to come up with all of this extra cash flow? What am I using it for? Am I just putting another comma in the bank account?

 

Or am I going to spend it someday? Yeah, what am I doing it all for? And that’s really what, where I landed on play from an adult rational perspective. Like I’m not telling you to quit your job and go be a hippie. And, to, or the Western United States on a motorcycle or something like, I want you to be productive.

 

And I found that play actually does. But all of the research shows that people that play that are happier, they’re more engaged with their life perform better. They make more money, they lose weight, they have more sex. Like it’s ridiculous. All the positive benefits of it. Yeah. Thanks for saying that. I’m glad to hear that because there are a lot of botch podcasts that I do as they look for this more, the minority of the podcasts are these more alternative topic matters, I think would enrich other, high-performing high net worth investors out there, and I’ve had really bad ones for they’re like all these woo stuff.

 

Yeah. And personally, I think a lot of this resonates with a lot of my investors. Like I’m more of a realist. I believe in personal development, but I’m not going to look at myself in the mirror and tell myself like a bunch of botches. Repeat it. Good enough. Yeah. Damn. And people like me, I don’t do that type of stuff.

 

I’m not saying it doesn’t work. Just doesn’t work for me. I don’t believe in fairytales, Easter buddies and stuff like that. But going back to your  origin. Were you always naturally able to put in this play aspect or was it, what were your early career days, your personal. That’s a great question. I think I have always been in this playful persona so when I was in school, I happened to be really gifted at computers.

 

I was designing websites in high school, which isn’t very impressive now, but in the late nineties, there weren’t that many people that could do it. I made a lot of money. I had a lot of fun designing websites, but I was like, I don’t want to be a nerd. Like I don’t want to sit in a room by myself behind a computer all day.

 

Like I want to be cool. I want to be a DJ and be on the radio and stuff. And I have more play in my life. So after college, I did my own radio station,  on the top 40 station in Kansas city here, I was Romeo on mix 93.3. And had a blast with that, but I found a couple of things happened.

 

Number one.  Sitting in a room by yourself, by  a computer all day. You tell a funny joke and nobody’s there to laugh. They’re listening in their car, their home office somewhere else. And also it pays a quarter of what computer programmers make. And so I was having a lot of fun.

 

I wasn’t feeling successful because I didn’t feel like I was growing or being a professional or getting the intellectual side of things.

 

And so I switched and I went in the opposite direction. I became a sales trainer. My dad works for a Sandler training as well, but I work for the international team now and I do sales training for companies like Uber and Thermo Fisher scientific and all kinds of large corporations and make really great money.

 

And I still get to do my entertainment thing. Get on a microphone. Whenever you’re doing stuff for other people, it starts wearing on you. You have to perform and work inside of that culture. And I’m not having as much fun. I was overworking, working long hours and also building a lot of stuff there.

 

I wrote a book and just overcharged that way. So about three years ago, I decided to reset and I was like, you know what? I need to find a foot in both worlds. I want to be a professional corporate speaker that also does entertainment and empowers people to find play. I found, at least for me in my life, when I balanced the creativity, the unknown and the the playfulness of life with the data science and the certainty and the hard work and, saving money and stuff that’s really when I’m fully engaged, that’s when I’m living my best life as I have one foot in both worlds.

 

Like I said, I’m not going to go. Crazy. Just, full of hippie playfulness, live on a commune and dance and sing all day. That’s not my thing, but I also can’t go full on programming data, measuring this, checking my Fitbit and doing a Pomodoros every hour . Were some mistakes that people normally make. If I really feel like I’m going to teach playfulness, I can’t do it like the seven steps to playfulness. Here’s what you do to check off the list because play and fun is something that is a little bit more spontaneous than that.

 

It needs some ruined space in your life. So what I like to tell people if you were already a genius at play. And in your life, you have had genius levels of creativity. You just lost it about the time you hit puberty and people started caring about other people’s opinions and you had to do things to be productive and teachers at school beat it out of.

 

Yeah. Fun looks like for you, and it’s different for everybody. I have a quiz on the website. If you want to go check that out, it’s a good place to start. Playful humans.com/quiz. There’s 10 different playful personality types. You might be an athlete. You might be a creator. You might like board games or video games, or you might like exploring and hiking, or you might.

 

Solving puzzles. There’s lots of different things. There’s even a playful personality type where you like producing parties and putting on events for other people. So producing things like this podcast and stuff is fun, but I don’t think you need to overthink it. And I don’t think you need to analyze it.

 

What I found was with most driven type A personality people it’s they need to put it on their schedule and they need to see that it’s that important. That if you don’t take an hour to play a day, you’re going to be less productive the next day that you’re going to burn out. It’s unsustainable. It’s like sleep and nutrition and everything else.

 

We look at play as one of those four things you need at least on a regular basis. If not every single day. I try to do all four of these everyday, but at least every week, I need to spend some time playing. I need to spend some time performing, using my abilities to produce to the best of my ability.

 

I need to hit pause a few times. So I do like mindfulness and meditation. I don’t think it’s the only answer, but you have to pause and rest and sleep. The other one, people miss a lot though is practice. You need to take some time to learn and get better at what you do in order to perform better the next day.

 

Professional athletes don’t just go play, live football games every single day. They spend some time practicing. And then on Sundays they perform at their best. And I think if we, as driven professionals, think about those things, we put play, practice, pause, and performance into our days. It really creates a sustainable level of energy in our life.

 

I think you’ve mentioned one thing. In the beginning of that, where you said it’s like people get to puberty and they start to feel that they’re being judged by other people. I think to me, that is what blocks most people from even doing any of this stuff in the first place. So again, I would just say, screw other people, stop worrying.

 

What other people think because gracious, you guys aren’t children anymore. You guys are adults out there. You think about old people, right? One thing you hear, like a lot of old people say is stop caring what other people think about you and just actually start living. Now, maybe people would get upset with me cause everybody gets offended these days.

 

But if you’re in your thirties, forties, fifties, you’re probably still worrying what people are thinking about you. And I’m just telling people to begin with the end in mind, just like cashflow, right? Create your cash flow streams today. Instead of doing the appreciation, accumulate theory at the end, in 30, 40 years, not going to care about Jack or what these people are thinking about you.

 

And if you’re, if you have a lot of cash flow, you’re gonna have a lot of options. You’re probably gonna lose these people behind. Anyway, it’s all the same. I don’t really talk to anybody I used to have a vehicle worker with these days. Heavens no.  If you’re not on the path to financial freedom, you don’t work out.

 

We’re probably not going to hang out. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I think you got to find your tribe, right? Find people that do value those things. And the same thing goes with play, right? Maybe your spouse or the people that you hang out with don’t like doing karaoke or they don’t like running and playing sports outside or whatever.

 

We’ll find people that do. There are enough humans out there that you can find somebody that does geek out on the same thing that you geek out. I love it. Everything that you said you’re right. Kids don’t have a filter. They don’t care about the last people, anything authentically themselves at five years old.

 

And I love what you said about older people too. Run out of blanks to give, I don’t know if you curse on this podcast or not, they don’t care anymore. They’re like I don’t have any to give. I don’t care what you think I’m doing my thing. And I don’t think again, that means you have to go full on crazy.

 

What that means to me is I need to carve out some time in my day to do something that I love, because even when you’re saving all this extra cash flow or you’re planning for retirement, you might not make it to retirement. If you’re saving all of your recreation for the last 20 years of your life, you might not have the physical ability to enjoy it.

 

Or you might not even make it there. So how can we spread that into our whole life so that we’re taking out some time and it doesn’t have to be a ton, but an hour a day to build a Lego or, do a drawing there’s adult coloring books and adult Lego kits and great puzzles or online games or any sort of activity, go ride a bike or play a sport, or find something fun to do.

 

That’s just going to recharge this just for you that it’s not for anybody also who cares what they think. They don’t even need to see it. Before I left Seattle, I was working at a day job. We would go and play Frisbee every Tuesdays and Thursdays for an hour, which ended up being an hour after lunch.

 

And I’ll be honest, those couple of years. That was probably the only thing I remember about daily life. That’s the best part of it, right? Yeah. And, but it was important because we planned it. It was on the schedule every Tuesday and Thursdays. What are some other ideas or things that people do, does it have to be a hobby?

 

How can you schedule? What about some smaller ideas from micro play sessions? Yeah, I think that’s true too. A lot of people don’t know that over 60% of CEOs take play breaks during their day, they might be playing a video game on their phone or listening to music that they like, like they just need to step away and tune out and it recharges your creative energy and stuff too.

 

So it doesn’t have to be complicated. I love what you said. I think those are great tips. If you join a bowling league or a sports league of whatever you want to play, a dark night or something with your friends, all of that is going to hold you accountable to actually doing it. And you can block out that time easily.

 

If you don’t have that time. I think it’s about finding those micro moments for yourself. I think you want to give yourself probably at least 20 minutes to decompress and step away from what you’re doing, just to get your brain into that right mindset. But I would say up to an hour. Find out whatever that thing is for you.

 

If you love to make things with your hand, take a woodcarving class or look at videos online, or if you like to, use your brain to solve puzzles, go do escape rooms, or find interesting Sudoku puzzles online or whatever it happens to be. It doesn’t need to be. Crazy fun, like new year’s Eve level fun.

 

That’s not play. It’s just an engaging challenge where you’re using your whole mind, your whole body, you get into that flow state and you’re doing it just for you because you chose to not because anybody else told you, you had to, or you’re getting paid to do. I think that’s the key, right?

 

The concentration factor is off. Like it’s not something for productivity, like editing podcasts or maybe sudoku puzzles falls in that category that you could do it as play, but it may not be like a CrossFit workout. Because it’s very focused. I don’t know if you enjoy it and you’re choosing to do it right.

 

But if you’re doing CrossFit. Your spouse told you needed to lose weight or because you feel like you have to or something, or you’re getting paid to teach the class. That’s different because it’s the external, because it’s on the board and dammit, you have to do it.

 

Play is specifically freely chosen. And that’s what makes it fulfilling to you because we need moments in our day. We all have obligations. You mentioned, changing diapers, we’ve got to pay taxes, we’ve got to hit the bills. We’ve got to do all kinds of stuff for client work and other things.

 

But I think that’s part of it. The beauty part of passive cash flow, right? If it gives you that time back don’t waste it, don’t waste it watching Netflix and not engaging in tuning out of your life, do something that you’re going to remember, make a memory, do something that you choose. So that’s my big one too, about television.

 

It’s not that watching NFL football doesn’t matter. They’re playing. You’re not, you’re watching passively, right? If you go play football, throw the ball around with your friends that counts. Now you’re engaged in your life and you’re connecting with other people in your environment. Another idea I had is like podcasts, right?

 

People will listen to podcasts, not for pleasure, but for content and focus and a side note. Guys, if you guys are listening to the civil facet Castro, any podcasts for more than a year, Stop listening, please just join our community. Like this is just a marketing thing to get you to sign up for our community.

 

I’ll be honest, right? It’s the same old stuff over and over again in Mark, in podcast land, you don’t get, we don’t get nearly into the good stuff. It’s the juicy stuff. That’s all behind closed doors. And I like it, and I say that because it’s going to do something fun. Stop, like trying to fill your head with a bunch of the same old garbage over and over again.

 

Like when was the last time you listened to a song? Talking to the very minority of people out there. That’s oh, I’m not gonna listen to the radio because they said no, listen to the radio. You’re supposed to be in your automobile university. It’s just to listen to podcasts, filling your head with good stuff.

 

Yep. I’m that way. I’m definitely that way. I listen to podcasts when I run. And when I look at it, I love learning. But it does. At some point it’s become a job and it’s oh, I’m subscribed to these five podcasts. I have to listen to it by Friday. Or I feel like I’m not caught up. I didn’t get my thing in and podcasts keep getting longer and stuff and things.

 

So I’ve already shouted out Tim Ferriss, clearly I’m a fan, like a three hour show from him and Joe Rogan, that’s six hours of your life where you’re not engaged in doing it.  I don’t really listen to podcasts these days.

 

If you’re consuming media and you’re doomed to scrolling on your phone, maybe both at the same time, you’re passively living your life. And we want it the other way. We want passive income and we want to be fully engaged, actively in and enjoying it. Boring investments, but fun life.

 

Consciously choosing. I love that. Any other like quick tips or ideas to consciously infuse the play into your daily life for a weekly basis? Man, I think it really is about the choice that you said. I think people know how to do it, but if you need a role model, look at kids. When you look at a five-year-old or a ten-year-old, they know how to play, they have genius levels of creativity.

 

They will inspire you. You just got to go in and join the fund at that point. And then from there, I think you have to think about when you lost that play and why you lost. We all think that kids should go outside and play more, that they need to get more exercise. The NFL has a play 60 campaign and encourages kids to play outside for 60 minutes.

 

At what age is that? Not a good idea. Just because you graduate college, you shouldn’t move your body for 60 minutes a day anymore. You shouldn’t enjoy your life. You shouldn’t play with your friends or go outside. No, that’s your whole life at 20, at 30, at 40, at 50. At 80 or a hundred, it’s still probably important for you to get up an hour a day and play right.

 

Move your body, engage your mind to stave off Alzheimer’s and it builds muscle builds, creativity and brain connections. This is something that is vital to human success and survival. We just. Got distracted by other things in capitalism along the way. And there’s nothing wrong with it. It just shouldn’t be the only thing I don’t believe in here.

 

Yeah, once you get your contact information out there, as people want to check out the quiz, You bet the quizzes@playfulhumans.com/quiz. It’s playful humans on all the social media channels. And that’s the name of the podcast as well. Since you’re a podcast listener, go check it out again.

 

Lane said, you don’t have to listen to all of them. Don’t make it a job, but go find something that’s fun for you. For me. It’s interviewing people and getting to know cool people on how they did it. Like famous magicians in America’s got talent or mind readers or people that do like sword swallowing and juggling and all kinds of crazy different things.

 

Like how do they make a career out of that? They’re making six figures, loving their life, traveling the world and having fun. And they’re just juggling or telling jokes for a living. That, to me, is really interesting and how they’re doing that. So that’s what I dive into. Thanks guys for listening. You got a little bit different, but again, I think the action item for everybody is go out and schedule fun.

 

Maybe hopefully every day, but just micro sessions here. They’re figuring out what that is for you. And the, probably what you guys are gonna run into is, your peer group is a bunch of boring people that want to still fit in the box. But look, life’s short guys, get out there and. That’s like you’re going to die tomorrow in a way.

 

Invest for the long-term of course, probably gonna live a long time. Be those deals, infinite bank policies. Get life insurance too. If you’re maybe your peer group, you need to change your peer group up. If they’re not people who want to live the kind of life that you are, get some new friends.

 

I’ve got a joke in there. No, I think you’re going to be surprised that your friends are needed as much as you do that. If you ask them to go throw the ball in the park or go to karaoke night or an escape room or something, do a game show or play a board game night, they love it.

 

We’ve all been cooped up, man. We all need to get out of the house and play. So if they don’t you’re right. Yeah. You have a problem. If people discourage that. Man more often than not. They’re just going to be happy that you invited them. Yeah. Just tell them you’re like a therapist told you to do it, and if they laugh at you think get rid of one, not a joke in there, but half serious.

 

But thanks guys. We’ll see you guys next time.

 

 

What Success Means to Lane Kawaoka

https://youtu.be/_AC98wQC-hE

Hey simple, passive cash flow listeners. Today, you’re going to be hearing a pretty good interview that somebody had done on me and just, something that’s been going on in my life is looking for purpose, financially free so early, like many of you, you start to ask the question.

 

After when is enough and putting your job, that’s always a big problem. It’s probably the next topic we’re going to be talking about in our family office, Ohana mastermind group. But you guys can learn more about at simplepassivecashflow.com/journey, but no, once you’ve pulled anchor, burned the boats and you’ve gone FI, you’re living off your passive cash flow streams. And things are coming easy, right? Time is more valuable than money. At that point, you just start to spend money on time and you start to ask what is the meaning to all of this? From one perspective you got Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

 

Trying to get whatever’s at the top of that, which is typically growth or helping back to other people’s, but really what is it that’s making you happy? And I’ve been working, and hired a life coach. We’re working on this every single week. And I’m hoping to bring a lot of the lessons that I’m seeing and getting from myself to you guys, especially to my inner circle out there.

 

I’m definitely not going to turn this podcast into a guru kind of Uber boogie type of podcast. We talk about mindset all the time. But it’s definitely gonna be interjected there. And from what I see, if you know where you’re going, you can do the straight line to get there, as opposed to, I feel like I’ve taken a very Securitas road to get here, even though it’s been maybe about a 10, 15 year journey, for example, I probably wouldn’t have bought as many single family homes.

 

Maybe we just bought a handful and then went off to the syndications and private placements quicker. And maybe who knows where I would be today. But, this is really like the next level, right? What is simple, passive cash flow supposed to do? It’s mostly get people financially free to get what they want, get the design, the lifestyle that they want, and this is where it finally comes in this piece where, you know, fulfillment, what is happening, what is in the happiest different for everybody, everybody has a little bit of a narrative kind of what we’re unpacking, going through these sessions, which is like therapy, but a little bit more of a mission standpoint. I see myself as a little bit of Robin Hood here where stealing from the rich gives to the poor, but instead of icy stealing from like the big wall street company.

 

Which kind of duped everybody into putting your money blindly into this type of stuff where you’re going to have to work for 30, 40 years where I’ve seen and proven myself that you can get there five to 10 years or less by prudently investing in cash flowing value add type of projects. Now what they also thought, the Robin hood, and as you also go sideways because it’s not like giving money to the poor.

 

The poor are, what I see though, are the victims of this is you, the working shrinking middle-class, the people who are making a hundred, few hundred thousand dollars a year. You are still living paycheck to paycheck and you’re paying the most taxes out of everybody. It’s not the wealthy, it’s not the people who have already gone to the tax page at simplepassivecashflow.com/tax, and read up there and already, churning, passive activity, losses, doing rep status that’s what the wealthy do, but that’s not the you, the middle-class are doing. And it’s also not the poor people who are paying their fair share of the taxes, it’s you out there. And that’s why, to me, the way I’ve put things in my head is, I’m Robin hood taking money off wall street, putting it into main street type of projects.

 

And in the process, you guys pay less tax. And get financial wellbeing because unfortunately the way that the whole system is engineered, it’s engineered to keep all you guys working because you guys happen to be the most contributors to society, GDP. You guys are the ones drilling teeth, doing surgeries, building bridges, pushing a whole lot of important paper around, we need to keep you guys working. Or not me not, I’m not saying that I’m trying to keep you guys working, but the society’s needs you to keep working, to empower the rest of humanity for. Now you might want to call that some kind of conspiracy theory or maybe call me  Robin Hood, but that’s just something I’m unpacking for myself as the narrative.

 

And everybody needs to find their own narrative out there. We’ll talk about this in future podcasts, but today’s podcast is surrounding a lot of this philosophy stuff, which has been interesting to me. And so hopefully you guys will get some value out of it. If you haven’t yet joined investor clubs that’s simplepassivecashflow.com/club and once you’ve done that, we hook you guys up with a feed complementary strategy call of 15 minutes. And yeah. Hope to reach out, to talk to you guys soon and enjoy the show.

 

Hi, thanks for joining us today on the success podcast. I’m your host Phil Portman. Joining me today is Lane, owner of 7,500 rental properties with over a billion dollars in assets@simplepassivecashflow.com. Thank you for joining us today, Lane. Hey, thanks for having me aloha everybody. So let’s start off with the title of the podcast is success is so what does success mean to you?

 

Success to me is being able to have enough money. So money is a big thing for a lot of our folks. It’s not everything, but it should make your life a lot easier, give you options, what does it allow you to do to me? It gives you the freedom to do what you want, where you want with whom you want.

 

No. So you don’t have to interact with people that you don’t like, or people at work that give you problems. You work on your own terms and you get to tackle the hard problems in life, but what do you do after you’re financially free? What do you do after you’re done trading your time for.

 

And do you have things that you pursue now that you do have the financial freedom to do so that you wouldn’t have been able to and in a normal traditional job? Yeah. Today it’s a little different than most folks, right? We just keep picking up apartment buildings after buildings, because I’m here to create generational wealth for myself and my family.

 

And, on the side product of doing, the website and the podcast is that we teach people how to get financially free, doing this and just dispelling a lot of the stuff that misled misleads, a lot of hardworking professionals out there, myself. And go to school, study hard, get a good job, invest in your 401k, buy a house to live in, pay down your debt, all that type of stuff that the Susie Orman, Dave Ramsey advice doesn’t necessarily apply to once you become financially responsible and get to financial freedom. I love what you’re talking about there, because I think a lot of people have this mindset.

 

You know that they’re going to enjoy success later on in life. They’re going to enjoy it and retire, and this idea that we can save for our future and invest, and that we’ll be comfortable with just the money that we’ve squirreled away and saved is not true, more and more Americans are having to live below their means in retirement.

 

Then. And so what you help people do is break that generational mindset and create wealth. Is that correct? Correct. I think we live in an engineered society where everybody’s taught to put their money into the stock market, wall street, marketable securities, or what I call retail products.

 

And I say it’s retail because these big washy companies are making a boat load off of your back out there. I got started early with this real estate, graduated college in 2007, with an engineering degree, went to work as a construction supervisor, which isn’t the greatest of jobs in terms of quality of life.

 

And I followed this path of going buy a house to live in because that’s what everybody told me to do. Got off the beaten path by renting it out. And then I realized I’ll make it like 20, 30% plus returns on my money. Why doesn’t everybody do this? I’m going to just rinse, wash, repeat this and that.

 

But then, I discovered, yeah. There’s a whole bunch of other passive real estate investors doing the same thing and being able to retire within five to 10 years, do it. And the thing is it’s really not that hard and the secrets that the wealthy do that I cannot teach people today.

 

It’s not how to reach out to the average person. It’s just buried by all the financial dogma that you know, our parents teach us and that’s proliferated through the workforce culture, the cubicle culture. 

 

Absolutely. Can you tell us a little bit about your story, your background, how you got into building this empire today and then what did your friends and family think about this?

 

Were they pretty supportive along the way? Yeah. My parents don’t really know what I do today. I just told them I’m a real estate agent and they just a little bit upset me. I’m not an engineer and I wasted all their college and stuff like. But, that’s parents for yearly spines. I walked this linear path, I call it right. Go to school, study hard, get a good job growing up. I grew up in a family where we were taught to be very frugal with our money. We don’t go to restaurants. We don’t eat any soft drinks. But you gotta pay for that stuff, drink some water, no frills type of stuff.

 

That allowed me to save up my money and pretty well from my day job and I made almost six figures starting out. So I was able to save a big chunk of that, to eventually go buy a house to live in, like I said, and I started to rent it out. And that’s where I got a taste of cash flow, right?

 

When you put a tenant in one of your properties, you get a property management company to deal with all your headaches, to deal with all the repairs. And then you just focus on your highest and best use. So for a lot of my clients, High-paid doctors, lawyers, engineers, entrepreneurs, our highest and best use is not screwing around with little rental properties, but to save our money to go buy more rental properties.

 

And eventually when you become more of an accredited investor, get out of rental properties because of the liability and headaches and go to more sustainable passive investments, such as syndications and private placements as an LP. But yeah, that was my claim that my family saved my money pretty well.

 

From 2007 to 2015, I had 11 rentals and then I started to buy apartment complexes over 7,500 rental properties today. I believe there are over 40 apartments across the country. We invest for cash flow.  I’m pretty passionate about it, obviously. Cause I’ve quit my day job and no longer work at that life where I’m trading time for money.

 

So these properties that you purchase and maintain they’re all over the country, then they’re not centralized. How do you run that as a business? Do you do a lot of traveling? I don’t right now. I have a young kid. Try to stay at home with the pandemic and everything.

 

We hire professional property management to be at the properties of, this is why we focus on a hundred unit properties and above, when you have about 60 units and above, you can justify having a full time person at the leasing office at all times, but where you really get good economies of scales up over a hundred, when you can get a, support them with a couple of handyman to knock out HVACs or plumbing repairs, for some people who are rental property owners, they know you get killed with those third party plumbing repairs.

 

For us, we take care of that stuff in the palace, right? So the guy will before his first smoke break of the day with knockout, those types of repairs, so that’s what our business plan is, and they’re scattered throughout the country, but like more clustered red states where they’re more economically driven, better landlord friendly laws.

 

We like Phoenix Texas, Houston, Dallas, and Huntsville, Alabama. It’s our major market we like to focus on. And how’d you decide on those markets? Real estate, it’s not rocket science. It doesn’t take a genius to do this type of stuff. You don’t need a bunch of PhDs, data analytics, you follow where the population growth is going. And the rent increases per year, which is very gatherable data. You could probably Google this at home and we focus on and ingrain ourselves in those markets and I’ll build back management teams, build broker teams. Just dig in and pick those several markets.

 

Other good markets out there like Florida, the Carolinas, Georgia, the general consensus is that Sunbelt states are where it’s at in terms of population growth. And of course you want to be in the red states. Like I said, as the lab, part of that there’s maybe five or six states that I would pick over the rest of the time.

 

So you said as this doesn’t require rocket science, anybody can research these areas and that sort of thing. What’s holding people back? We know more millionaires are made through real estate than any other method that’s holding people back from getting into this. Yeah. You know what? I think it’s hard.

 

Deals and it makes it incredibly easy for investors to get involved with that. You gotta start from the bottom, right? I had money to invest, right? So most people in this world, or this country are really bad with their money. They spend more money than they make, and they don’t make as much money either.

 

That’s part of the problem for a lot of those folks. I can’t help. That was just not the situation where I was, but there’s also a lot of people. Definitely my minority people of this country, like maybe the top one to 5% were good with their money and they make good money and are able to save 30,000 plus a year.

 

Most of my clients save 50, a hundred thousand dollars a year to put two investments. It seems like a lot, but it’s not massive amounts of money. But that’s enough, if you put away that for five to 10 years, you get your net worth over a million dollars you’re you can go F I pretty quickly doing that.

 

Investing in real estate, investing in little rental properties are a little bit more difficult. That was where I started my podcast, teaching people how to buy little remote rental properties. Most people live in California. You don’t want to invest anywhere near your home. Because the rent to value ratio doesn’t make sense.

 

We look for this one little metric called the rent to value ratio  1% or higher. So you take the monthly  market rent price. So like a thousand dollars a month, and you are divided by the purchase price. A hundred thousand dollars, we’re looking for something that’s about 1% or higher. Your average place in California in the ghetto is $400,000.

 

You’ll read that off for 2,000 to buy 400 grand that’s half a percent. That’s not going to work. That’s the one. All right. We need that 1%. And that’s pop that’s the basic tech behind our investments, man. Like we make a, we pay the debt service, pay insurance taxes, repairs pay the property manager to do our dirty work for us.

 

Put some money aside for big CapEx stuff that they could see to happen, and you cash it. There’s some Delta in the air and you have cash flow and you use that cashflow to add to your annual savings and you buy more properties. Very simple formula. 

 

Great. So somebody wanted to get set up with your program. What does that journey look like? Coming on board with you? Yeah, a lot of the stuff is going to be free on the website. Think of this world, the real estate world. There’s a lot of just fake people out there just trying to swindle, break people out of money. Again, my program’s not for broke people.

 

And I have a big problem with these guys, they have these seminars or they like to teach people how to increase the credit limit on their credit cards. They can purchase the 20,000, 40,000 program and that kind of thing. Yeah. But I get it right. Like they’re trying to focus on broke people who like you sell them to folk, most of my clients are the people who passive real estate is for you’ve had the money already. So it’s a different game, different psychology too. But, we just help people get started. Just investing in that first remote rental property. People are looking to do that. I would say go to simplepassivecashflow.com/turnkey, if you’re more of an accredited investor, that’s where we specialize in, in, the more higher net worth, both building strategies.

 

And when your net worth goes over a million dollars. Sure. You’re investing in syndication deals, et cetera. There’s a whole curriculum or sort around that, but from what my experience is more about taxes and infinite banking, like the nice thing about real estate. I don’t really particularly like real estate, but real estate is the one thing out there that gives you the tax benefit.

 

That allows you. If you play our cards right, implementing a real estate professional status strategy on your taxes, you can drive your income down to zero. So people want to check out my tax returns. They can go to simplepassivecashflow.com/tax. I don’t pay, I haven’t paid taxes for the last couple of years, because all my real estate investments drive my income down to zero. I mean that this is what the wealthy do. That’s incredible. Fantastic. Yeah. So somebody comes and reaches out to you. Let’s say we have credit investors on there. Your program is helping them get started or you’re a partner with them along the way.

 

They’re on their own. Everybody’s on their own, right? This is not nothing where I hold your hand. And the information is out there, right? The podcast is free. A lot of the information on the website, different blog articles are free. I would say, just get started with that. Folks listening out there’s really no excuse not to get financially free.

 

It’s just the problem is there’s just a lot of bad information out there or information out there for other people at different paradigms. One of the teachings we talk a lot about is it may not make sense to buy your own primary residence. To me, I think it makes sense for most people because a primary residence is forced to piggyback, but you may not need, you may be financially responsible enough to not eat this force piggy bank, and you should get on the offense and invest your  money instead of just merely going up with the pace of inflation in your house.

 

Kind of an out there idea, different clashes with normal conventional thinking. To me, I don’t think you should buy your primary residence unless your net worth is two or three times greater than what that house costs. Even if you’re going to finance the house, you should finance the house so you can use the money elsewhere and invest. Those are things that I’ve learned.

 

I just got lucky doing this in 2015, when I got to 11 rental properties, And I was hot stuff at that time. In my late twenties, I started to join different masterminds and got around other high net worth accredited investors other doctors, lawyers, engineers, 10, 20 years down the road of me.

 

And I was like, whoa, they’re not investing in their 401k’s doing that type of nonsense. So these qualified retirement plans. Yeah. They’re not paying down their debt, they’re going into more good debt where their cash flow numbers keep going up and up, they’re doing infinite banking. They’re not paying taxes, not paying too much taxes legally.

 

These are the things that the wealthy do that, unfortunately folks like my parents just, they just never were tuned to. Whether they thought it was a scam or, it’s a lot of, this is just your network. Your network is your net worth and learning the tactics of the wealthy.

 

Yeah and he brought a great point. I think learning those techniques from somebody who has done it is incredibly important. And a lot of people talk about the importance of a mentor. And the first question is, did you have a mentor along the way that led you to where you are and then is that really what people can expect from you as part of your program?

 

Did I have a mentor? Not really. To me, if somebody is really that rich and what the hell are they going to spend your time with though, to you? But we live in an age where you have YouTube videos, you have content, you get like live podcasts. Like that’s the way you get it for free.

 

If somebody is really worth that much at a hearty, hourly rate, with that experience, You’re not going to spend that with you, man, but that’s where you have to take, follow the breadcrumbs and take action with those things. And that’s what I’ve done, right?

 

I don’t really want to take on mentees, right? Like I want to put it out there for free for you to get started. And if you can’t get started, that’s on you, man. Everything is out there. This stuff is not that hard. It’s very implemented. Sure it clashes with your mindset in the beginning, there are the people along the road.

 

So what I focus on is building the community, right? I run a family office ohana mastermind is what I call it for people going from $1 million to $10 million net worth. Typically the term family office is for a hundred million dollar families and above. Where they hire a very smart individual street, smart individual to manage their finances and affairs.

 

You’re not a hundred million dollar net worth, you can’t afford that. So my opinion and the way I’ve pieced it together is through a network of other high net worth investors and just working together, swamp in best practices. So that’s the community that I’ve created using my podcast as a lightning rod for high net worth investors.

 

Like we always say you hear real estate investing. You should go to the local real estate club or the free online sites. But I would highly suggest not doing that. If you have a net worth of a million dollars or more, because that’s just a bunch of broke guys going out to do that type of stuff.

 

They hear real estate’s a great way to get rich. There’s really nothing that a high net worth investor can vote for. And find their tribe. And that’s why I created the family office group and not the other on the other end, you can’t go to the country club because that’s just a bunch of trust fund kids and people who got lucky with some C-level jobs and they invest differently.

 

Absolutely. Yeah. So you’re the other guy, the guy with the high net worth that is looking for guidance to invest this money differently. What type of skill sets should an individual like this have, approaching this because you have an engineering background, I got to think there’s certain skill sets that you’ve possessed, that have helped you along the way with, some of the organization and the structure that you have with your business.

 

But then you also seem to have a little bit of a rebellious attitude as well, to challenge the norm. Are these correct assumptions about you as well? Yeah, there’s a book out there for tendencies, I think like a rich group and one of the tendencies is a questioner. I do believe that is a very common trait within our community.

 

We’re definitely not the upholder types who like, when you’re driving home at 2:00 AM in the morning, I don’t know why you can drive home at 2:00 AM in the morning, you stop at every stop. We don’t do that. We looked around, we questioned, why is the stop side here? We disregard that stop sign, right?

 

That’s just the ad. Or like, why do we have to put up money? It’s this 401k TSP is a social security thing, and that’s where it happens. Like the question starts to ask another question and it starts to unwind  this whole dog, financial planning, et cetera. And many of us have peaked by the other curtain of the wizard of Oz of finance and realize that there’s this red pill way of doing your money, investing in alternative assets where, you’re getting off the beaten path, but then you mentioned skill sets.

 

So to get off the beaten path where you’re investing in all these wall street types of products, mutual funds, where it’s consistent. What’s consistently getting screwed right? By all the hidden fees, et cetera, where a lot of times these big firms are taking almost half of your money every year. And how else are they paying for these high pay salaries and big buildings, right?

 

They’re not doing it for free because they like you, they’re digging it for profit. And that’s why they created the 401k and et cetera. They’ve got in cahoots with the government to get at the common man’s. But I digress. They’re pretty passionate about this stuff. Like that’s where, like the average guy can come back and get off the beaten path, get all that cafeteria garbage.

 

But to do that, you’re going to need people around you, cause there are shysters, and you won’t get off the beaten path. There are people that don’t do what we do. And they just are just internet shysters as they fake it till they make it. They don’t have any assets under management ditches, they are just a guy with a green screen.

 

That’s real estate. Brown, blue pants. Nice headshot. That’s all it is. And that’s why I say like and for myself included, right? To get off the beaten path and go onto the world of alternative investments, you need to find a tribe around you that also does this. However, it’s incredibly hard to find these types of people, because when I first started I was investing out of state, never saw my properties.

 

I thought it was crazy. My friends thought it was crazy. So you said, I don’t really talk about it. That was until I found there were lots of people doing the stuff quietly. It’s X-Men like, Hey, you’re X-men it’s the same thing. So you, when you finally meet these people, it’s whoa, I’m not crazy anymore.

 

And then things really get moving. Like I said, I started buying little rental properties. Oh nine to 2015 and I moved like a turtle. That’s part of wealth building too. Like it’s just slow in the big. But until I met other people doing this building synergies and found out where to invest more protocol to stay away from that was when my networks started to skyrocket.

 

Absolutely. Some of the skillsets you talked about were obviously challenging the norm, but one of the things I’ve noticed from a lot of successful entrepreneurs is almost an arrogant level of confidence. Because you’re going in new directions that other people haven’t gone before, and you’re challenging the norm and you’re forging your own way.

 

And you’re making mistakes and you’re learning things, but they’re all decisions that are based on your back. Have you encountered some mistakes that you’ve made along the way and would you mind sharing any of them with us and how’d you get through them and what’d you learn from them?

 

Yeah, I’m glad you asked that. I am cocky in this respect because we don’t really make that many mistakes. Cause we’re not really doing a hire in the Skype business plan out there. We’re buying properties that have cash flow, they want just in case there’s some hiccup in the Cod. And like we’ve been through bad times, like the pandemic.

 

I didn’t know what was going to happen. I didn’t know if people were going to pay the rent, but you know what the hell it is like, especially when we focus on lower class, lower middle-class America, right? Rents between $700 to $1,400, we don’t go to the high end luxury stuff. We don’t go into the low end stuff.

 

We stay in middle-class America, where the glut of the population is. Or in fact, there’s a huge demand for good quality of housing, which. Great. We’re not no slumlords either. And people need a place to live. And when you underwrite the deals to be Bulletproof, and a lot of times in our properties, we don’t lose money unless the property goes under 50, 60% occupancy, that’s not going to happen.

 

When you buy in good areas and good properties, especially in emerging markets, that’s just not going to happen. That happens. Like we’re talking like a zombie apocalypse, maybe, but we’ve been through that. We’ve read that the storm, we like, we’re not flipping houses, we’re not wholesaling houses.

 

This is not an exciting type of way of investing. It’s very boring, very boring. When we rehab units, we don’t put in maybe like $5,000 of rehab to bump up the rent a couple hundred bucks. New floor, new appliances, new paint job, that’s it. From the grand scheme of things, that’s why I can be pretty safe, pretty confidently.

 

Like we haven’t made too many mistakes cause we don’t really get up in front of her skis too much. But when I’ve invested, yeah, I’ve invested with some bad people in the past. Got my money too. A couple of times, and that contributes to that, that’s why you build your network again.

 

You never know about people until you have somebody on the inside that can attest. Yeah. I invested with Bob’s legit. He gave me my money back. Not like just a Ponzi scheme type of thing, but yeah, here are the P and L’s, here are the monthly reports on this property. You can actually go there and see it, touch it.

 

And you build relationships with other accredited investors, just like yourself and that way it’s unbiased sources. You do it that way. And going back to your skill sets this is the difference between more of this type of investing, as opposed to when you’re starting out. You’re starting out. You’re doing all this like pain in the blood stuff, like talking to brokers. Lender top managers, handyman, you’re doing everything, which, eh, I think it’s somewhat transferable, but like in this world, it’s more like you’re losing other peer colleagues, passive investors.

 

It’s very different for some people who are not friendly with others, like it’s impossible. But, I think most people, and especially in my group, or, once you become an accredited investor, you are on the road to financial freedom, or you are financially free. People are pretty friendly, especially for people also, when they recognize they are also on that same journey that they were wanting.

 

People like to give back and help out. After all there’s no competition, like big passive investors. There’s not Ooh, you’re going to take the deal. No, man. There’s a lot of deals out there, especially when you invest in syndication. So it’s not like there’s a super limited supply. People like to help out each other.

 

Because they know they are also gonna get back information and relationships. For me, it’s more about relationships these days, because if I don’t have people to hang out with during my lunch hour, all my other ex colleagues and friends are stuck at work, oh, you’re going to enjoy this stuff. People understand us right too. Like we do all these weird financial stuff. A lot of it was just social too. 

 

You bring up a good point. I think a lot of people have. This idea that successful people have compromised values or they’re hard-nosed taken advantage of people and that sort of thing. And most of the people that I know that are successful are actually fairly generous people who, when you have your time freed up, you can give back to others and you have a weight lifted off your shoulders when you don’t have the burden of financial stress. Like we can dig into that little bit.

 

Cause you know, these days, like when I interact with people, what I’m trying to do is do I want to have this person in my social circle long-term or at least give them a tryout for the second tryout? What I’m trying to determine is this a giver or a taker? I think there’s a book that I read.

 

It’s not to say that you’re a bad person, right? If you’re a taker person, a lot of people, especially even high net worth people, can be at a stage in life where they’re looking out for themselves and looking for search information to help their investing. They want to know who to stay away from.

 

They want to know who invests with those types of things. And I get it, you need to put your money somewhere so you can get financially free, but at some point, Turn the corner. And, I think everybody needs to go out and make their money and invest it and get financially free.

 

And I call that, putting your own oxygen mask on right in the plane. They say, before you help your kid or the elderly, put your oxygen mask first, if, so we don’t, you don’t pass out, become part of the problem. And that’s where you go from the abundance mindset, the scarcity mindset.

 

Or a scarcity mindset, that abundance mindset. And if you’re in a scarcity mindset, now it’s not to say you’re a bad person, right? That’s just maybe the stage you are not in life or age that has nothing to do with it. To me, it’s more where you are in terms of net worth or your buddy, your money mindset of, like to me, I got over. I went from that stage where I had my oxygen mask on pretty early, like I got lucky and I started investing in my early twenties. I started to get to a point where I had a bunch of cash flow rolling in and my net worth was not high yet by any means. Maybe half a million dollars, I think this started to happen.

 

But, I started to realize, yeah, I’m not going to be working at this stupid day job is engineering job. I don’t like it. Mid forties, maybe even by 40. I didn’t know at that time, I didn’t know, but I knew like the paradigm of working 20 years plus was just not going to, it’s just not needed for me.

 

And it’s numbers, I had numbers to back this up. So I went off on this kind of tangent and I think this is the part that like, everybody needs to go through this. Like epiphany where, and it takes a while. Like it took me. That’s up to my own horn, but like I took me pretty it was pretty quick for me to get to this transition where, I’m like, all right, both at work.

 

And my boss gives me a hard time. F-you man, I’m going to be outta here soon. I don’t need to be here. I can enjoy myself a little bit, take things a little lightly. And then I start to realize, all right. And when I’m like 35 at the time, I’ll be financially free and I do whatever I want.

 

And then I may be able to like role play on my head, what that feels like, I’m the travel take pictures of my food, put it on Instagram, all the stupid stuff. They, I get it. I wanted to do it at one time and many people want me to do it today. It’s a phase. But after a while, in my little simulation way ahead, it gets lame and boring. I don’t know. People who are drivers need challenges, solve puzzles. Part of me too calls me like a big ego guy, but I want impact too. I like, I wanna leave something or see something when I’m 50 or 60 and say, yeah, I did that.

 

That was, yeah. So for me, yeah. So for me, that was where the podcast was. Started to come in. I started in 2016, like a lot of my friends were asking me like how are you buying this property in Birmingham. You didn’t visit it, man. And I tell them, and many people are entrepreneurs here.

 

We tell our friends about entrepreneurship and nobody listens. So you guys understand that. And it frustrated me. So it was like, damn it. I’m just going to record this stupid thing, for all you suckers all my friends. Other people started listening to it and then a year later I got those emails saying Hey man like you didn’t seem that smart.

 

I did it. And yeah, thanks man. I bought a rental property and then, and that was where I got more, I was like, I got positive feedback. I was like, oh shit, man, I’m making a difference here. And then I became an accredited investor. Private placement since indication is the storyline changed for buying little rentals to bigger deals, but the audience kind of grew and grew.

 

And then, I was making this big impact or so I thought, that’s all, it really matters what you think. But then I saw it as my calling and, you’re put on this earth for one thing, like it’d be silly for me to go to habitat for humanity builds analysis, that this is where I get the most leverage and society. Yeah, you can make the biggest difference. So I think, and that kind of coincided with that whole simulation, my hand, I was like, what the hell am I going to do when I’m 40? It’s just all, your life doesn’t start until you’ve stopped trading time for dollars.

 

Or sometimes I have to go in, like I work from home too. You’re saying I see my family. Too much. Like I gotta get out of here. Sometimes I go in and like a little excursion, I gotta go pick something up, and I see all that, driving through town and I see all the people walk into the bus and I was there at one time.

 

It’s just a little drone going through your life, in the matrix, sleeping. You’re not doing anything. And yeah, you’ve had little moments here, there, but essentially you’re there to trade time for money to build somebody else’s dream. And I get, I’m not going to belittle people for thinking that’s a meager existence, blah, blah, blah.

 

I get it. Like me, not many people out there in the world get to a point in their life where they go financially free, FI. Weightless. When weightlessness is like your investments make more money than you do, and your spouse does any, even if you got your kid working alongside you too, and you can’t even spend it all. And that, that the thing just compounds and compounds, that’s what weightlessness is. So we call it escape velocity that typically takes most of the clients five to 10 years to get there. Once they start working with us. But at that point they’re going, and  they’re building that family legacy.

 

And the hardest part is, teaching the kids how to not be nincompoops, but that’s another topic for another day. Like at this point it’s all about you’re out of this paradigm that most people are when they have to trick themselves into liking their passion, which is their work, like I see through that these days. And not again, not that the little people who think that way, but there’s a lot of people out there that are getting to this weightlessness mode and they need to go through the simulation and live it. Maybe some people might take them a decade of kind of just floating there, but then there’s always something else.

 

And that’s where your life kind of starts. You stop trading your time for money. Okay. And I think a lot of people actually realize this, I think during the pan. Because the pandemic through everyone, through this wrench in everyone’s plans, and all of a sudden these people are working from home or they’re at home and they’re getting compensated and they’re realizing suddenly they’re pulled out of that matrix.

 

That thing that they were stuck doing, and they’re going, oh my God, what have I been doing the last 20 years or whatever? Yeah, I’ve been just doing this thing. I’ve always been trained to do it. My parents were always trained to do what their parents were trained to do, and it’s nonsense and people are giving up things in their life because they would rather not, have the Starbucks or have a nice car or go do these other things, vacations and stuff.

 

Then spend another day stock working and living a life that they. That they don’t want to live, and that’s why a lot of these jobs are having trouble recruiting people because they don’t want to go back to it. Yeah. They’re like, screw you at the job market the way it is. It’s lighter for the worker.

 

But the other sad part of that is most people just freaking stayed up until 2:00 AM watching YouTube videos. Because they don’t have to commute earlier in the morning. Like it’s your time. You can use it however you want, but they’re very similar. A lot of people in my world go to college, right?

 

It’s like maybe going to college for the first time away from your family, parents rules. It’s like the world is your oyster, for many people that is the last time you get that moment. And you get just your college syllabus sitting and you’re screwed, you have all these responsibilities that you go right into a job, but that is what it feels like to go financially free when you actually quit your job.

 

And you’re what the heck do I, do we have a guy he’s quitting, he’s working for me. Full-time, he’s quitting his engineering job and he’s asking me like next week, what do you want me to do on a holiday on this? I’m like, I’ll do it. I don’t even know what holidays are right.

 

All the time, but it’s just, okay, it’s coming in on Tuesday. I might do it, I dunno, man. You fill up your time, I followed this thing called entrepreneur operating system dos. And there’s this term called rocks. You work on projects or rocks.

 

And I’m like, I don’t know, uncle pick a rock and work on it, and I don’t know when you’re off time, go work on your own personal rocks. That’s, that was my guidance. I get it right. Like I was there not too long ago where you have to report. The only time sometimes you can get away is when you have a doctor’s appointment, you get out and go through a little bit of personal stuff on the side there too.

 

But other than that, you go right back into the matrix, back to your spot here.  And I get it. For me leaving the corporate structure and safety. It’s almost like driving without your seatbelt on. It doesn’t feel right. And I remember telling employees and I was telling my wife, like what I’m doing today.

 

Oh, I was doing this and I did this. And I’m like trying to prove that I was doing stuff during the day and nobody cared what I was doing. And then over time you start realizing that. I have to clock in. I don’t have to approve what I’m doing on a day. It, none of that stuff matters, right?

 

Yeah. It’s very liberating and it kinda makes you like, damn. And I operated like that for so long. It’s like a different topic, but it’s people who stopped caring, what other people think about themselves because they had that epiphany that people are more concerned about their own than worry about yours. Nobody cares after a while. So it’s a very liberating, very similar epiphany. Absolutely. But so like my big aha moment I went to a Tony Robbins thing and he’s always on he’s kinda like he has this thing, like the six needs, I think like com operates very similar to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

 

I don’t know the bottom. You’ve got basic stuff. I can’t remember. You just need the basic yeah. Like you want to have comfort stability. You want to be loved by other people, but on the top, part of the more aspirational things that you get. That self accusation, stuff like that. Yeah.

 

Yeah. And, giving back and contributing is a big one. And you look at all the very high network people who were doing other philanthropy things, it’s always a give back, but in their own certain way. And the other thing is significance to that. Want to have, give it back in your own way on your terms.

 

So that was where, to me, I was like, I think I was in my early thirties and I was kinda like, all right, I still have a Ferrari. I still do. Things like that. And the big house, I haven’t gotten totally off the deep end. I still have those types of needs.

 

And I have my own idea of what is the right lifestyle, but I kinda know that it’s going to get old. And I kinda latched onto this idea because like simple passive cashflow  had already gotten pretty good momentum at that point. I get, if it was just a pie in the sky idea, like how everybody, all the other 3000 participants in that state.

 

Had just an idea. Everybody’s got an idea, but I had an idea that actually had traction and was somewhat, making money. Like we had this concept of ikigai  right? Where you’re something you enjoy doing. You’re good at it. Kind of God given talent and the deck, there’s a need in society.

 

There’s obviously a need. There’s so many hard working professionals out there. Just misled by all this like crap out there. Financial planners, all this. And then, I couldn’t monetize it, that thing too, right? Like it’s incredibly valuable to collect all these types of people into one place, high net worth accredited investors into one place.

 

And to do these kinds of bigger projects. To me, it was like ikigai on steroids, that was where you always want to find that direction, head into direction. And that’s, I guess what life is maybe, sure. Every, if you’re not heading into the direction, there’s really no point to this whole thing.

 

Fantastic. Thank you for your time today. Tell us about how people get a hold of you. Yeah, they can check out the podcast. Simple, passive cashflow.com is the URL and then simple passive cashflow, passive real estate investing on iTunes, Google play, et cetera. Thank you for your time, Lane. 

Raj Interviews Lane | Real Estate Investing for Working Professionals

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What’s up  simple passive cashflow listeners. Today you’re going to be hearing an interview that I actually thought was pretty good. I go on a lot of these interviews and there’s a lot of lame podcasts and a lot of, even lamer  podcasts hosts  that just don’t ask very good questions and put me to sleep.

 

Because they keep saying the same thing over and over again, but this particular one was pretty good. And I think it would be a good one to share with friends. Again, if you guys are in the investor club, go to simple passive cashflow.com/clubs, sign up there for free. If you guys want to get one of the free eCourses what we do to incentivize you guys to share with friends is if you email team@simplepassivecashflow.com and CC your friend with the intro and possibly give them this podcast I think it’s a great introduction to what we’re all about here at simple passive cashflow.

 

And it is going to talk about a lot of the mistakes that we see regular people making with their money. So check out, make sure you’re not doing any of these types of things or making steps in the right directions. That’s all we ask. Yeah. Thanks to you guys who have referred your guys’ friends and today, like I’d say half of the people that we have coming into the group are referrals from their friends. And it’s funny, like a lot of you guys listen to the podcasts a lot, you guys are the ones reading everything, listening, everything, your referrals.

 

Trust you guys there for some strange reason, you’re probably the one person in your friend group that all your other friends know as the person who likes to read up on all this stuff. And it’s the financial guru guy out of your group. But often it’s not what you know, but it’s who you know, I’ve talked to a lot of very astute, high level investors that are completely honest with me when they book their free strategy call.

 

And they’re like, you know what? I don’t really know about this investment or all the technicalities. I just trust my friend who does, and that’s the way I roll, which kind of seems a little irresponsible at first, when you start to think about it, you’re just falling full back into the end zone, but you don’t, these guys get into the end.

 

And I think that’s what’s hard, like at least speaking from my own personal experience, like growing up in a family where parents weren’t accredited, I didn’t have any accredited friends or anything like that. Or my circle just didn’t have any of these types of people. I had to definitely pay to play to get into the circle of accredited, purely passive investors, which is the group that we’ve created today.

 

And, if you’re in the investor  club, you guys do get a spot chance to interact with our accredited investor database from time to time when I travel. We are planning another tour in Huntsville later this summer. Hopefully you guys can come out to that, visit some properties, break some bread, hang out a little.

 

And maybe you might do something in California. But at the end of the year, we’ll probably be doing that retreat that we always do. Haven’t got the page set up yet, but you guys can check out last year, site years before it’s simplepassivecashflow.com/hui4 Hui the number four. But yeah, here’s the interview and enjoy the show.

 

 

 

 

 

I know that You have talked about the counterintuitive ways that the wealthy have created their wealth and make money. I’d love to hear your thoughts. Yeah.  followed this whole linear path of going to school, becoming an engineer, and getting a job. Part of that path is the best thing in that thing, 401k.  I’ve been investing since 2009 and very quickly I realize what a sham that is. And I might be upsetting as a person, but maybe you should get upset or you shouldn’t get upset. She’d ask  what’s the reason why? Because I’m standing here, I’m not working my engineering job anymore.

 

Because I got smart. And I realized that if I just invested in real estate, I’d make money four ways: mortgage paid down, appreciation, tax benefits and a cash flow. And when I put my math to it I was making like 20, 30% of my money every year on that stuff. If you don’t believe me, you can go to my video where I do a whiteboard exercise and break down the math for you, a simple passive cash.com/returns.

 

But  I was like why the heck would, I want to make eight to 10% only? Not in that 401k stuff. It makes no sense to me, and I discovered this whole sham where they won’t exactly want us to do that stuff. They want us to invest in this stuff because if everybody just followed what I did and bought a handful of rentals, they would be financially independent, who would build our bridges, who would get her coffee, who would do surgeries for us.

 

Maybe some people would, but. Vast majority with peace out, it would be out of that stuff. And that’s just one of the things, the counterintuitive things that the wealthy do, including, I’m not a big fan of buying a house to live in. And the whole argument for retirement accounts too.

 

I’m sure you get this a lot, but you sound a lot like Robert Kiyosaki. He also talks about it, following the path, go to college, get a safe, secure job with benefits as in do not do it. And he also talks about the stock market and 401k. Could you hone in a little bit more into why you do not like 401ks?

 

When I invest, I pull my money out of my 401k’s Roth, stuff like that, because I wanted to invest cash for four main reasons. First reason is,  I think you and I, Raj, we’re going to be making more money in the future. Therefore we’re going to be in a higher tax bracket in future.

 

So I would rather pay my taxes today and Hey man, get it out while I’m in the lower tax bracket state. Secondly, I want,  just look at where this country is going with all these government entitlement programs, and how else we’re going to pay for it. Majority of it is going to be inflation. That’s another topic.

 

And by the way, that’s real estate as the answer for that.  You gotta raise taxes, so taxes are going to be going up. Therefore again, here, pay your taxes today, get it out of that stuff where the government essentially has a full lean on you, whatever God in your retirement accounts.  Thirdly, I’m not gonna retire when I’m 65, 70, or whenever they say I can get that money.

 

I’m retired now, so I’d like to get it. I don’t need to use it, but I want access to it. I don’t want it to be locked up.  Don’t put me in a category with other people out there that are unable to save money. I don’t need to be on that cruise ship. And then lastly, here’s the big kicker, right?

 

People will argue you got your money in this retirement account. Supposedly it’s gross tax free, which it does.  But if you’re investing cash outside your retirement account in real estate, the dang thing should be tax-free anyway. And the big kicker is if you’re investing in deals that do cost segregation, give bonus appreciation, you should be getting a heck of a lot more losses to offset the gains and even at that investment.

 

This is where we get into even more wealth building strategies of the wealthy. Like I personally don’t pay taxes and that sounds a jerk move. But I invest a heck of a lot of money into this society. And that’s what the government wants. The tax code is written to incentivize folks like me and you guys to invest your money, do things, tactics such as cost segregation to get a lot of passive activity losses, and pay little to no taxes.

 

And you don’t get that levers and let you invest cash and you get those passive activity losses.  100% I totally agree with you. And I also would like to say that if you can say one, your taxes, you should save on the taxes legally. That is absolutely true. And if you want to give back to society, then go to charity.

 

But don’t try to say that people should pay more taxes, at least that’s my opinion. Yeah. The way I look at it is like the government is like, there’s these incentives for you to do what they want you to do.  They want me to invest in workforce housing and buy assets that create this economic multiplier.

 

So I do that. I’m not a dummy. I may not read the whole IRS thing, but I have professionals that do it for me and guide me and I work with them to guide me to what actions I need to take place. I don’t worry about politics. I just worry about what I should do as best as I can.

 

And I guess what I’m trying to say here is  if you invest, you don’t do any of this stuff that the government wants to do. Yeah, man, you gotta pay taxes. All of us, the pitch in the repair of the potholes in the street, pay  city state workers, right?

 

That’s what you gotta do, right? If you’re just another joke, the low average guy out there investing in non tax advantage stuff that the government doesn’t is lukewarm on. Then yeah, bro, you got to pay taxes. You’re a straight shooter Lane. I like your authentic self. That’s very good.  I keep it fun. Because sometimes this stuff can get really dry and boring, especially the tax stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don’t know if you’ve heard this, but at some place somebody was saying somebody, I really respect that the bulk of the tax code is dedicated to how to save on the taxes, the deductions and the credits.

 

And it’s only the first 50 or 60 pages that talk about how to pay taxes. So the tax code is big and complicated, but most of it is dedicated to saving taxes. Yeah. It is what it is. Some people also say that it’s like  the politicians slipping in there what they want, cause they’re all wealthy.

 

They know what’s up. I don’t care. I don’t care about all this like stories or urban legends? I don’t care. I understand what the system is, understand the game and I play the game and I think that’s what everybody needs to do out there because taxes are your number one expense of life.

 

You cannot leave it up to your CPA. Your CPA is not equipped to know your situation, what you’re investing in, what kind of deals, risk , work profiles, when you’re getting your passive losses, when you’re exiting set deals and hopefully you’re in a multitude of different deals, that is nothing that a CPA should be doing for you.

 

That it’s your responsibility folks out there. You need to empower yourself to have an educated conversation with your tax profession. Lane, I love winning, but you say that, you don’t complain and these other rules and you play the rules. So when you’re playing a game of cards, you play the hand that you’re dealt, that’s it?

 

That’s how you win, right? All right. Good. That we have to establish some of the rules that the rich follow to create wealth and make money. Could you also talk about, there are working professionals, they may know the rules, but they don’t have the time or the expertise, even though they know what’s the better way to invest.

 

So could you talk to us a little bit about passive investing for working professionals? I was working as an engineer way back when in 2007, I bought my first run in 2009.  At the time my net worth was under half a million bucks. So to me, the name of the game is just buying rental properties.

 

I don’t think that you have enough net worth to be able to go into syndications of private placements, even though there are many indications out there. If you go to the EDGAR sec website for non-accredited investors, you just need to be at the private network of syndicators sponsor.  But I think it’s important for investors, especially lower on a net worth scale to invest in rental properties and understand the business, understand how this is done so that when you finally do look at a pitch deck, you’re not totally oblivious to the marketing sham scent that, just every deal looks good, when it’s on a shiny PDF.  For a lot of accredited investors guys that make six figures and above you’re, right? Like the time it takes to buy a rental prop, even a turnkey rental, where they fix up the property for you by putting a tenant in there for you.  For what, like easily, a few hundred bucks a cashflow a month.

 

In 2015, I had 11 rental properties. I went down that turnkey rabbit hole for quite some time. And with 11 rentals, it was cool. I had $300 a cash flow per property. So $3,000 a month. No, I’m not complaining. I was in my twenties at the time.  That was pretty decent, pretty good.

 

Not to be ungrateful or anything like that, but I don’t know what American family can survive. All three grand. You’re going to need three times that. So with 11 properties, I had an eviction or two every year, some kind of big thing attached to me that happened in a different quarter, like a plumbing repair or a tree falling on the house, pedal trees or something like that.

 

If you need 30 houses, then now you’re talking about an eviction every other month and some kind of big tree every other week, it just becomes unscalable even with professional property management to do your dirty work for you. So that’s where I found syndication’s private placement shortly after 2015, when I hit that inflection required and became more of an accredited investor.

 

Okay. And you are a syndicator yourself now. So could you talk to me about your journey from that point to becoming a syndicator? Yeah, so I was in my late twenties and I wasn’t quite yet an accredited  investor. I think I wasn’t quite there, but I was on the path for sure. And I was certainly on the path to retire from my day job as an engineer before I was 40 by being a passive LP partner.

 

So that’s why I eventually did initially. I was why do I want to take on all the stress and do all these spinning plates? And there’s a lot of investors that don’t realize there’s a huge gap between LPs and the general partners. It’s not just one level. It’s like your guys’ job.

 

There’s usually two rungs or two salary codes between you and your boss. You gotta go somewhere else and come back. If you want to reincarnate as a boss, same thing as general partners.  So that’s it, I went as LP. Because I knew how to analyze deals. I had gone through a coaching where they taught us how to do that.

 

I felt like I was a really good passive investor, much more than  I was able to take profit loss statements, rent rolls, run my own comps and it put into my analyzer and just spot check that sponsor and operator are they being conservative with the deal or really getting what the pro formas that it was.

 

And I was able to run as an independent  and I went on the LP path because I was like if I could just, maybe I don’t double my money every five years or something like that. If I just grow my money at a conservative 12 to 14% IRR. Yeah. I’ll be able to quit my day job. Won’t perform 40.

 

And that was the goal initially. It’s just to put my oxygen mask on it. I don’t have to go to that job that I don’t like.  Because a lot of people want to just copy me and just follow me into deals. That’s how I found myself in a general partner facet.

 

And then I realized that operating deals, if people are around you and will help you and train you, isn’t that difficult? It’s not difficult, but it’s something that like any guru program will teach you. So eventually I transitioned into more of a general partner role. Today, I currently operate 4,500 rental properties.

 

 So it’s been, maybe it’s taking five years to get there. What I’m thinking is that something that striked me when you were telling me your story that you started with, with a net worth of about half a million dollars. Now you’re at about four and a half thousand units across 12 states, what role did your mindset play in this journey and your success?

 

And could you talk to us about that transformation from beginning to end? It’s gone through a couple of inflection points when I had just a handful of rental properties in my earlier twenties, this is just in the beginning stages. I was working at a private company and those people will know that private companies are a little bit more stressful, you get paid more, but I started to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

And I was like, Yeah, man. I may only be making a thousand dollars, $2,000 a month from these turnkey rentals. But my time here is ending,  and then I soon was making more than my boss’ boss, and I developed a bad attitude at work. Gotta be honest. It’s not like I was walking around oh, maybe it was, maybe it did come across as that, but I eventually started to change jobs to more work for the government.

 

 A little bit more cruise jobs, the bit more free time, to do the real estate investing passively on the side.  But I started to adopt the more mindset of where I didn’t need to go to work, but I enjoyed the people who kind of didn’t mind going to do the job. Even though it didn’t take that long every day of actively doing it.

 

So I became a passive investor and passive W2 worker at that point.  And I think most investors find themselves at that point.  At least people I work with, or at least maybe that’s just the beginning stage where you start to realize that life becomes light, right? You realize you’re on the fast path to financial freedom.

 

It’s not going to take 40, 50 years. You’re on the 10 year path plan. You just keep working this, you may not like your job, but at least it’s not like super stressing you out. It’s not everything to you because you have this proven system of buying rental properties and you’re pulling yourself out of there.

 

 Things changed in 2016 when I started a podcast because originally it started How do you buy turnkey rentals? Because all my buddies were asking me. How do you borrow these properties? And like Birmingham and Atlanta never even visited the damn thing. How do you do that? And they waste my time.

 

They’d ask me all these questions and they never do anything. And I would get frustrated. Like  you guys are wasting my time. I was going to record  this thing. And then you guys can listen to it if you’re interested in taking action or not. So I did that. The thing got really popular and a lot of people were really like, like I bought a year later in 2017, the podcast got a lot of traction and they’re like, yeah, I actually went and bought a rental property.

 

Thank you very much. And I got a lot of these like emails and I was like, oh, this makes me feel good. And so, I think a lot of people, they moved from this scarcity to abundance mentality. And it’s not that you’re a bad person, if you don’t have it, but you need money to be abundant. In my opinion, I don’t think unless you’re like a Yogi that goes on in the mountain, it’s truly a funded mindset.

 

I don’t think nationally you have it. I think it’s good to have a little scarcity mindset in the beginning. This is like the immigrant mentality that a lot of people have, right. They come to America, the immigrant mentality allows them to be frugal. They don’t buy stupid stuff. They’re frugal with their time, how they work for, and it builds, gets them off the ground.

 

But after a while, maybe even your net worth  gets to be half a million dollars more. You start to develop that mindset, that operating system doesn’t help you.  It’s like DOS going to Windows or something like that. So around when I had the 11 rentals. I saw the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

I had a few thousand dollars of cash a month. I started to realize that at the time I was like, in my mid to late twenties, I started to realize in my thirties I’d be able to quit my day job. But then I screwed up. I was like, I’m just gonna be like the internet. Like guys who just take pictures on my Instagram, food travel, travel bloggers, guys who aren’t really quite financially free, but they appear to be right. You want to live their lifestyle. And then I did that maybe for a few weeks. And then I realized this is really lame. Like the guys, like the financial bloggers that are all into their index funds,  they work their Silicon valley job.

 

Then they go to Thailand and they live off their $1.25 million and they live super frugally on their index funds and that’s cool. If that’s you guys, I think that’s cool. Maybe you’ll hit an inflection point in your life, but you get to a point where you’re like, this is lame, is this all that life is for, and most people, if you talk to the successful, maybe not the wealthier on wealthy, but just as successful, the truly happy people. They’ve found ways to give back to other people and make them send the elevator back down or whatever saying you want to use, but find and find other people to help out along their journey and that’s what I clicked to . Then, we’re here.

 

That’s fantastic. What I’m hearing is like a couple of different stages of financial freedom. So number one, many people keep talking about the financial media and keep talking about how most of the people have not enough money in their 401k accounts, and they will never be able to retire and they’ll work till they die.

 

And you touched upon why you are not a big fan of 401k. The next stage is people who aren’t able to retire, but on time then you talked about people who have died off on index funds, like they have a million and a quarter, a million and a half, and they’re dead in Thailand and they’re living off the 4% safe withdrawal rate.

 

And then the next day that you’re talking about is no, that’s not enough for me. I want to go back. I’m going to create real wealth and I’m going to send the elevator down and bring people along for the ride. And I think when you get to that stage, like the next goal is they’re getting to four and a half million dollars net worth.

 

A lot of people in my circle talk about that number because I think if you can withdraw it at 3% rate, you can have two nincompoop trust fund kids that are just totally doing whatever. And it’s really hard for them to screw that number up.  But then here’s something that I’m kinda, I’m not talking truly from experience, but I’m getting insight because I try and surround myself with a mastermind of people that are getting it to this level.

 

Like people do one or two things here, and we’re already talking about like the top 0.01% that even make it the four and a half million dollars net worth, most people will get off of the bus there because it’s a pool of four and a half million dollars. That’s a great life. You can just peace out and do really whatever you want.

 

Fly  first class has a very peaceful life. There are some people that it’s a very, it’s a smaller minority of the minority that. They get really passionate about something, whether it’s dogs or helping out other people who went through trauma in their life, or for me, it’s I’m just really upset that there’s so many working professionals out there that just are duped by this like fun wall street, nonsense, 401ks buying a house to live in and these are hardworking people. These are like my engineering brothers that were stuck in the basement while everybody’s playing Frisbee in the quad

 

 There’s so many hard working people out there. Doctors have to go to school for 15 years and most of those guys will have to work for their entire life and never really get ahead. If they just bought a handful of rentals, they’d be able to be financially free.  And that’s my mission and my hope is if I help enough people.

 

Get to four and a half million dollars. They’ll reach this God level where it’s like, they’re like I want to find some other way, right? For them, it may not be helping them on the path to financial freedom such as you Raj. But they are like dogs or I don’t know. They want to like their cancer.

 

I don’t know what the heck they want to do, but maybe they realize that money is a platform or means to get there. So that sends them on this. Like now they have to keep the engines going. So at four and a half million dollars, you can think of a spaceship going into outer space. You’ve hit escape velocity .

 

You can turn off the engines in cruise control for the rest of your life, but they realized that they need to keep the engines on and go and achieve eight figures. I think that’s 10 million, right? And that money is necessary. The power of this bigger purpose, legacy, whatever you want to call it. But that’s all I have privy to now.

 

They always say you don’t know the next purchase until you’re there, but that’s what I see at this point. I’m curious to know why you and your buddies in your network talk about four and a half million, not five, not six, not three. Is there a reason why specifically this number?

 

 I don’t know. It’s not as daunting as five to six, but I don’t know. I think that the 3% withdrawal rate has something to do with it. If I just go like 3% of 4.5 million, that’s $135,000 a year,  that’s and if you have two kids, that’s like a working man salary tax-free,  at 3%, it’s pretty pathetic, right? That’s like the pace of inflation.  Yeah. I’m more of a four person. I think that you can easily withdraw 4% forever adjusted for inflation and never run out of your principal. I think I also come up with that number because I see a lot of  it’s kinda like a voyeur.

 

It’d be like, I see a lot of like financial profiles that come through when I’m approving these PPM, is it investor subscription docs? And  I know what they make. I know how their spending habits are and I know what their net worth is. And I’m just like I see this come through like hundreds of times and there’s nothing really, that surprises me.

 

The only surprises are either somebody was whittled this money or they, their trust fund kid, or they won the lottery. That’s the only time it surprises me, but most times I know where people are and there’s always that glass ceiling, four and a half million plus or minus do it yourself.

 

Okay. I’m very intrigued by your background. So tell us what pictures are you seeing here? Was this an event?  I kinda run a family office Ohana mastermind. We’re like a close group of financial fanatic  friends accredited investors.  I’m big on relationships and knowing everybody that’s just how I am.

 

That’s how it is here in Hawaii. Everybody knows each other.  I surround myself with like minded individuals along the same path as myself. A lot of people are working professionals, still working their day job. They make much more than six figures, net worth million dollars or more, but you wouldn’t know by appearance, right?

 

Because they are first generation. They weren’t born with their wealth. Their parents didn’t have a million dollars. And the first generation that’s going to surpass that million dollar threshold. So it’s very different from going to the country club a lot of times. It’s just people who are trust fund kids.

 

I went to private school. I know what this is all about. Most people are there because their parents have money. Oh, I don’t know what the statistics are. Something like 90% of wealth leaves a family in two or three generations for good reason, because people don’t know how to make money legitimately know how to go to work for a salary. They don’t know how to really truly make money. And certainly they don’t know how to make a legacy. Yeah. That’s a known fact, you know that.

 

So I’d like to go back to your comment about what is a good path to follow for working professionals. So you talked about 401k is not the best thing in the world. Then you talked about investing in rentals, then you talked about  investing as an LP. So what’s your recommendation, one other or combination of both.

 

Could you talk to us a little bit about that? Yeah. First off your guy’s net worth is under half a million. Don’t buy a house to live in and that’s a financial drag on you and to me, I don’t think you people deserve to buy a house until their net worth is over two times what their house is worth.

 

 Even if they’re buying it with debt, the people can listen to me or not. They’re going to do what they want, but that’s just one of my 2 cents. But so you take a guy who is under a quarter million, half a million dollars net worth making able to save over $5-10,000 a year to buy a rental property.

 

Go buy a few, learn the business, right? If you’re more of an accredited investor with a higher net worth, then look into syndications of private placements and surround yourself with a community of like-minded individuals. We’re also investing in this stuff. So you can get in the ethos. What do you say to people that invest in cryptocurrency?

 

This is the future of the world economy, and if you’re not investing there, you are being left out. Oh, boy, you’ll find all the can of worms there.  Okay. So I am bullish on crypto. I think it is a disruptor. It takes power away from countries and the libertarian in me likes that I think I like the technology thing.

 

I think it’s definitely an emerging asset class, but to me I don’t really want to take chances. I like real estate because it’s a hard asset, produces cash flow and I can leverage it pretty well with really government subsidized loans and the tax benefits are amazing. Those are three things that cryptocurrency is not.

 

So the prescription I have and, podcast land, you got a lot of generalities liberals, so here’s one of them guys, if your net worth is over a million dollars, I think you can open up and play a little bit more with cryptocurrency. Obviously, we’re not going to differentiate between the altcoins and more your bread and butter, your Bitcoin with Ethereum, or your stable coins. We’re not going to get into that detail, but I would,  a lot of people, above a million dollars net worth, they don’t typically go over five to 10% of their network.  If you’re lower net worth to me, the prudent ways to do it, like how I did buy a rental property, who was your portfolio?

 

Prudent cash flow and it just takes a while to get it going. But most people have this completely backwards. They go and gamble a cryptocurrency first, which to me, I don’t agree with, but I can see if you’re broke, you got to gamble a little bit too. So I see it both ways. But if I were to give my formal answer, like as your net worth goes up, you can take on more asymmetric risk types of deals such as crypto, right? Like I like investing in workforce style, housing that’s cash flowing day one with a little bit of value add it’s nothing crazy. There’s a great return. And more importantly, capital preservation there. And that’s what I base my portfolio off of. I can sleep at night.

 

I don’t have to worry about it. But now that I’m more of an accredited investor, I don’t need the cash till this is it a ride, so I’m more inclined  to go after more asymmetric  risk deals such as developments. I’m not a big fan of venture capital. I think that’s just a crap shoot.

 

Total crap shoot.  Even though maybe you could make more money, I’m just not into that. It’s just not the type of investor I am, but as your net worth goes up, you start to get a little bit more ballsy with your investments to use that technical term. And  this is a trust fund kids with second, third generation wealth do. They just don’t care. Because they don’t know the value of the money. So they just gamble it on these sexy like developments or these asymmetric risk plays and yeah, they’ll probably be, do fine. But what do you do when you’re first-generation wealthy and your net worth is under a million dollars, you cannot sustain a loss or you just have to build the slope food in a way with cash flow and minor value add. Probably not what people want to hear because it’s going to take time. It does. So what’s the recommendation? So you talked about that you followed the path, right? So go to a good college, get good grades, get a safe, secure, stable job. What is your prescription to a good life?  I’m not a big fan of college and all that stuff.

 

I hang my degrees upside down on the wall for a reason and they’re not displayed behind me. But, you know what? I will admit that my engineering job allowed me to get paid pretty well out of college. And that was what I parlayed and threw into my investments to get me the lift off the ground.  I do regret the time that I spent studying, but it was necessary to get that job and the salary.

 

And I guess what people need to realize is what is your highest and best use, right? If you’re already a doctor or dentist, sorry, buddy, you’re better off just doing the surgeries, keep working. Cause that’s your best ability, your highest and best use to make money, to parlay into passive investing it.

 

We all have to trade time for money until we have enough money invested. So our money works harder for us. The same money, never sleeps is entirely true. It’s just, most people don’t have their money working for them.  Money should be working hard for you. So if you don’t have money, sorry, man, you can’t invest.

 

This is real estate investing. You need money to invest. So most people are in the square one phase where they have to make money too, to invest it. And for a lot of people, those things are likely in that stage. But as you just slowly move from ordinary income to passive income, you need to realize if your spaceship is going fast enough so that you can hit escape velocity.

 

And what is your escape velocity? It’s different for everybody. I live a very frugal life here in Hawaii. I don’t buy any stupid things other than a kind of nice car. I don’t spend more than a thousand dollars in a car payment, but that’s like my one vice, I guess I don’t buy a house to live in. I rent because to me it makes total sense here and I can get a good deal on it.

 

So I don’t need to go very fast to hit my escape velocity, but everybody is different. So people should go to college, get good grades, get an active W2, and a job so that they have money to invest. If they’re smart, if they’re not very good academically, they should perhaps be an entrepreneur  and try that route.

 

I don’t have kids where I can advise them accordingly. But if I had a dumb kid, I’ll probably, Hey man, like I don’t, that’s a psychology degree, probably psch major, or this art, Asian history studies. Maybe we should save $50,000 a year. And perhaps you should just try this, be a landlord and try.

 

And I’m not saying they should flip houses or anything like that. But this is what we help. A lot of our folks do in our mastermind group is like, how do we groom that next generation, to be a good steward of their wealth, but we have to get them to build skill sets and also show the ability to trade time for money, to be a contributor to society before they step into full-time investor so they appreciate the cash flow.

 

Yeah. I was reading a book by Chris Hogan and he talks about how he has spoken to 10,000 millionaires across the country. And one thing that he sees across the spectrum is that most, not all, but most of the millionaires didn’t go to top colleges. And the way it is useful is that you don’t want to come out of college, paying down debt in the initial years of your life, because that’s when you should be investing in your wealth.

 

And the longer your wealth compounds, the bigger the snowball effect you have, right. He’s entirely right. But I think that statement is a little skewed. I think it’s no secret that if you asked most working professionals, those people will not really become millionaires unless they are extremely frugal, right?

 

If they keep investing in the wall street garbage and doing everything that. Financial dogma says they’re going to do, it’s gonna be really hard. They’ll probably get over a million dollars. Million dollars is not that much money, but they certainly won’t get the four and a half million dollars and achieve true financial independence.

 

But what Chris Hogan is saying is right, like the majority of those people have beat that threshold probably two and a half, $3 million in the future, or people who’ve gotten off the beaten path and stopped taking a salary. Now I am a proponent. I advocate for a lot of working professionals, like for  all those millionaires are probably 10 to 20 to a hundred of guys who are just complete deadbeats that are watching preneurs.

 

This is 2020, 20 21. If you’re an entrepreneur and your LinkedIn profile, dude, I know you can’t find a job. You probably don’t have a college degree. Yeah, he’s incredibly right. Most people who don’t have college degrees are going to be that higher stuff, but a hell of a lot more people are going to be just total wash outs.

 

So that’s why I like college because college has the ability to take average below average people and run them through the system. And they come out contributing  helpers to society,  they come out with a decent paying job and they will achieve a certain level of comfort in life with a set job. Just to be clear, he talked about the good colleges, but not the most expensive colleges.

 

That’s what he is saying. Okay. Yeah. I think,  college and high school are basic academia stuff like colleges, like the new high school, one could argue.  You gotta be, have some level of aptitude to run a business or even invest in real estate. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist, that’s for sure.

 

But  college is not much these days. Everybody has a degree. Let’s shift gears a little bit Lane. In this climate when everybody’s talking about how it’s a sellers market and the markets are becoming hot, tell me why do you like real estate in this climate?

 

 It’s a fixed commodity. I think inflation is definitely coming. I already see it on the price. I pay for a stick, a lumber, so the Fed is pumping all this fake money into the system. That’s why the equity markets are so high, despite, the economy isn’t really going full tilt yet.

 

There’s all this fake money going into the system. And I recently saw a graph of how much money was put in, talking like several trillions of dollars. I look back to 2008, right? The last time they did the same. It’s nothing compared to what it is now.

 

 Like I think that there was something weird going on  that they had to cover it up, but it doesn’t really matter. The whole point I hear is they throw in a whole bunch of fake money into the system and it is what it is. The government can create however much money they want. And it’s a great way to make our debts from other countries disappear.

 

And we can do this because we control the world, monetary policy, all those people are like, oh, it’s still going to end. I don’t think it’s going to end. It’s just going to keep going. So get used to it. But what’s going to happen is our money is going to be devalued. And so what do you want to do?

 

If there was a storm coming, what would you do? You’d be under the house, but if in this case there is inflation coming. Maybe not in the next few years, maybe not in the next five, 10 years, but it’s coming. What do you want, what do you want to do to hedge yourself against that? Will you want to buy commodities that will also go up when the tides go up too.

 

And there’s a menu of options, right?  Go crypto, real estate. I personally will choose the one that’s also going to get the cash flow that I can like also like value add, right?  Again, value add like crypto. I’m buying the same thing that a 14 year old kid is buying on his app,  gold doesn’t cashflow for me.

 

And I can’t leverage this stuff as effectively and prudently as real estate too. And that’s another one and the tax benefits. If my crypto goes up 50%, I have to pay half of that to the taxman. If gold goes up, same thing, but in real estate I’m able to play these levers and shelter those games. I don’t have to make as much gains.

 

So, if my real estate goes up 10% and like my friend’s crypto goes up 20% at the end of the day, I feel like I’m still ahead. Despite what’s in his bank account before he pays the tax, 100%. I agree. And one thing that you have mentioned, but I just wanted to make clear for our audiences that when the Fed is pumping trillions of dollars, that’s a lot of money folks.

 

You’d rather be a borrower because what happens is that if you buy a hundred thousand dollars worth of property with $20,000 down and $80,000 of loan, the value of those $80,000 diminishes with time as there’s more money circulating the system. So that helps you, not only that with inflation, the value of a property also increases in absolute terms.

 

We’re building a multifamily apartment right now and we’re getting killed by the price of lumber and it’s just eating into the contingency and it’ll be fine, but it’s kinda like one of those things where it’s when we build this damn thing, we actually in, take these stupid pieces of lumber and build a house with it, shelter, like it’ll be worth way more because the price of inflation is just going to keep going up and up.  It is what it is. And I think it’s also important to ask what you do not want to do? Or what you don’t want to do is just sit on cash, right? Dead equity.  Some people will say I have it in my house.

 

I’m like you can also own the same amount of house and you’d be leveraged, take a heloc, invest it, get a refinance, pull the equity out, also invested in more houses. So you’re even more hedge against inflation. And this is where it hurts. A lot of people have a lot of equity in their homes.

 

A lot of older people have a lot of equity in at home because that’s what they’re told to do. And that’s the people who are gonna just get jerked around by this inflation. And some people say it’s like the complete conspiracy there is to say oh, this is where the Illuminati, or like taking money from the poor.

 

And I was like, I don’t really quite agree with that. But I don’t believe in the boogeyman, but regardless that’s what’s happening, right? The poor are getting poor because the poor are unable to put money in things that will go up with what the impending doom has happened. And that’s a sad thing.

 

They buy things like iPhone trucks, depreciating assets. This is going to be one controversial episode, but I’m loving it. You’re very authentic Lane and I’m enjoying our conversation. Yeah. Until I get some of those trolls right. There is no such thing as bad publicity Lane.  Could you talk to us about, we talked about your journey, we talk about the mindset, but  if you were to distill your journey into your four bullet points, could you talk to us about what is the secret ingredient for success?

 

I think for me it was like finding the right tribe. I was investing from 2009 to 2015 all by my lonesome. And I was like,  I’m still an introvert. I thought I was super cocky and smart. And I thought like I was going to get super rich by getting 10 Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac loans, 10 turnkey rentals.

 

And then I thought that was like my path to financial freedom. Then, as I mentioned earlier that  that ain’t the way to do things, that’s not what accredited investors think.  But I think one thing is empathy, I feel like it is a big thing. Like knowing that you’re not almighty and you always have an open mind,  I’m confident I will get it wrong.

 

And I think that’s important for people to have, but. I’m always listening. I’m always open-minded. Sometimes I have to catch myself that’s wrong and then somebody said I tried this and I always had the catch myself. Cause I’m like, no, that’s wrong.

 

Shut off in my head. I’m like, I don’t actually say that. But I’ll think about it. And I’ll be like, okay, why are they saying that? Do they have any context? They have any experience, perhaps I should listen,  let me go back to the numbers and try to figure this out.

 

That makes sense. As opposed to incredibly like shutting them off.  I think that empathy is a big thing. I’m binge-watching a lot of this show called bar rescue. People watched it. It’s like where this guy goes into the bar and he likes to fix their problems, puts a new drink on the menu.

 

And  it’s always a people person. And you look at the owner, the problems always stemmed from like the owner never has good empathy. They can’t look at themselves and see that they haven’t perhaps an issue. And then of course they need to have the ability to change and take accountability.

 

I think that’s also the next part is taking accountability and not just blaming it on others.  So the ability to change and adapt, if you can change 1% every day after your shoot, you’re like 27 times better.  Lane, it was wonderful talking to you today, but before we go, could you tell us where people can find you?

 

 They can go to simple passive cashflow.com as my website got a lot of free goodies there for passive investors.  My podcast is simple, passive cash flow, passive investing, and my email address is lane@simplepassivecashflow.com. Thank you Lane.

 

There, you have it folks today. Lane talked about the path, the traditional path that people have talked about, how 401k is not his favorite investment vehicle investments, inflation retiring at 61, and how you can do better.

 

You talked about how you can use real estate for four benefits, accelerated depreciation being one of them. He also talked about empathy. Open-mindedness, ability to listen and confidence as one of the key drivers of his success. Lane, it was a pleasure and honor having you on our call.

 

April 2022 Monthly Market Update

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What’s up everybody. This is April 2022 monthly market update where we go over some of the highlights that I saw from the news this week and a little bit of commentary, not too much politics. Cause I think that’s a little bit of a waste of time. But it’s sometimes fun to talk about, but if you guys have any questions, comments, feel free to type it into the chat.

This is being put out in our Facebook group. And it is also being replayed on YouTube. And also you guys are listening to this on the podcast form, which by the way, we have a great whole presentation with highlights and experts from these articles. And most of them have a bunch of graphs and graphics.

We all know how you guys like that type of stuff. So if you guys want to come on over to the YouTube channel, if something was interesting to you or you want to bookmark it or check out all the past investor letters of these monthly reports, that we upload every month at simplepassivecashflow.com/investorletter.

Welcome everybody. This is the Monday market update.

Alright, before we get going into this, if you haven’t yet checked out my Amazon bestseller book, you can get a free e version at simplepassivecashflow.com/book. And we also made a financial e-course for the new people. We talk lot about simple passive cashflow is for folks who have pretty good financial skills.

They’re putting a lot to their retirement accounts and they’re buying houses, even though we’re not huge fans of that, that’s all what we were taught. But if you’ve got a niece and nephew, you get a kid that’s just learning the basics. You can text the word BASIC to 3 1 4 6 6 5 1 7 6 7.

And if they’re a little bit better than basic, or, their net worth is anywhere from zero to two quarter 4 million, I suggest downloading the free remote rental lite e-course, which you can get by texting the word REMOTE to 3 1 4 6 1 4 6 6 5 1 7 6 7. That’s enough of that. If you haven’t met me before, my name is Lane Kawaoka.

I used to be an engineer, but currently all a little over 7,000 rental units, 50 projects you’ve worked on and a billion dollars plus of assets under ownership. At this point, I run the family office ohana mastermind, which at this point we’re getting closer to a hundred members. We had a bunch of people sign up these last few months.

So we are definitely hitting that scale. If you haven’t found your tribe of high net worth accredited investors and you’re tired of the same old local real estate club, which a bunch of broke guys flipping houses and paying a whole lot of ordinary income and just haven’t found that good ways to leverage their home equity.

And they believe in paying that debt off. You need to join our group again, go to simplepassivecashflow.com/journey. We talk all about all this stuff, but in much detail that we talked about on the podcast. So first thing. New IRS rule offers higher penalty, free withdrawals for early retirees. I’m not a big fan of retirement accounts.

You guys can take a look at my huge argument on this in summary, the reason why I don’t like them, cause you’re just delaying your taxes and this is what the government wants you to do with. Be taking all your income. Maybe 20, 30, 40 years from now, when the taxes brackets need to be higher while you’re making more money than, and it doesn’t allow you to get all these passive activity losses, which if you haven’t heard of this, I would go to simplepassivecashflow.com/tax. Read all about it.

Because this is what separates the wealthy from the high pay middle-class who pay a lot of tax. Especially if you’re able to implement real estate professional status. But hey, a lot of you guys have big retirement accounts because you guys were good little boys and girls out there and did everything that you were told to do.

Now there is supposedly a new rule that’s going through where the IRS is going to allow higher penalty, free withdrawals for early retirees. These are going to be known as 72 t’s. There may be a better option if you’re age 55 or older with the 401k permitting early withdrawals, that’s because of another 10% penalty exception.

So you can get away from that 10% penalty. But in our world, we don’t care about the 10% of the time. He is nothing. That’s in, normal financial world. Everybody freaks out about the 10%. Oh no, like 10%. If you are out of retail investments where you’re getting higher returns, you should be able to recoup that 10% penalty yet, half a year, years time.

But anyway, going back to this new rule, they call it the rule of 55, allowing you to skip early withdrawal fees from your current 401k or 403b without leaving a job at age 55 or after if you guys want more news on this CNBC, we have all the links to all these articles in our newsletter, which you guys can join and get access to.

We send out all the links to all these articles. You can read them yourself at simplepassivecashflow.com/club. Next article here, RE Business online reports don’t just accept your tax assessments. So this is something we do on our large apartment complex and something to think about if you’re a little landlord and a lot of the home values went up and a lot of municipalities and cities and counties are finding ways to extract all the money from their property taxes.

And one of those ways, really only other there’s only a few things they could do. And this is one of the biggest ones is being more aggressive increasing that market value and the tax assessment value to make those a little bit closer, what we do is we’ll try to employ different tax attorneys to fight these on our behalf.

When I own little rental properties, it’s small potatoes, you are lucky to get anything. You’ve got to submit evidence, there’s a lot of documentation out there. I’m sorry. I’m not super helpful on the single family home side that’s why I say don’t buy little rental properties because you’re screwed, but on the bigger stuff, you can hire larger professionals to do this on your behalf to fight this for.

I will say this is actually one of the problems is a good problem to have, but lately a lot of that, the property values that, we bought just last year, went up maybe 10, 20% and the bad thing is that it’s the taxes. One little line item in the whole underwriting is going up by a large portion because these tax assessed values are being pushed higher.

And so it’s taking a little bit of cashflow out on the long run. Yeah. You’ll recoup that. And it doesn’t really matter because the price of your property, which is the whole point while you’re buying. Even though this is simple passive cashflow, right? I made the names of a simple passive cashflow before I learned about force appreciation course. Greater Houston partnership reports, ExxonMobil to move headquarters to Houston.

From there Irving, Texas headquarters in December of 2020, Hewlett Packard said they would establish their global headquarters in Houston also. And May 2021, NRG energy said they were also consolidate there also. So that is some news on Houston.

 

 

ITR economics. It has a little commentary here on the whole Ukraine war and there’s already dis inflation in the U S prior to the Ukraine, or, in, as you guys know, inflation has been running rapid.

We’ll just go with their numbers here, which I think is a little conservative 7.6%. This is obviously unprecedented. Normally think the fed likes to run things at 3%. Now, prior to the Ukraine war all the anticipation was that the United States was going to start raising interest rates, which they do that because the economy is doing really well. Now, in the wake of ukraine war, which is typically bad news, right? Wars are typically bad news because mostly it’s uncertainty. One would think that the United States would pause on those interest rates. High is just for the time being, we don’t know what’s going to happen, the stock market reacted positively for the most part, although it’s been volatile.

I’ll be honest. I don’t really follow the stock market. And a lot of my investors, they try, they eventually pull out all that stuff at some point, get into real hard acids that don’t go up and down with all these, emotional swings. ITR is saying that the Germany Connie has a high dependency on brush for energy.

France may be impacted to a lesser degree because France has remained steadfast in its reliance on a nuclear power. So one of the things that you’re probably seeing at home is Russia has a lot of oil. They’re probably one of the top three oil producers. And with all the sanctions coming into play United States oil, needs, the supply went down on that side.

So that’s why you’re seeing the prices at the pipe. No, it’s not particularly because of Biden’s fault, even though people like to put those, blame it on stickers at the puck and not a proBiden , not against them. It seems like a nice guy, but it’s a little more complicated in that folks. Like it’s a, you can’t just blame it on one dude.

It’s like he has that much power as a prison anyway. Since then maybe I shouldn’t say that, cause I’ve contradicting myself Biden or we’ll say the leadership of the United States. Decided to release about a million barrels of oil outside of the reserves. And I did a little digging.

I was like a million barrels of oil. Oh, that seems like a lot. We’ll be without a reserves to fight a war if we have to at no time. But when I found out there several places, there’s a handful of places around the United States where these million barrels, oil plus each one having 200,000 barrels of oil.

And my next question, obviously, as an engineer was how much barrels oil did we use a day? It turns out we use about 20. So by throwing in a million barrels of oil, that’s about a surplus of 5%. So we’ve been seeing some of that price at the pump come down slightly, but we’re not blowing our load on our reserves.

And I thought it was interesting. It was really hard to tell how much million barrels of oil we have in reserves for obvious reasons, national security, but I was able to ascertain, or I was able to guessed that it was somewhere between the magnitude of a half a billion to a billion was my guess.

And I was interested because, this is a question that we have a lot in our family office group. And myself personally is how much liquidity do we have on hand at all times for an opportunity now was passive investors. Really a lot of you guys aren’t really going after distressed properties, right?

You don’t need half a million dollars to go buy a vacant piece of land that came up because it was amazing deal. Lot of you guys are into the market for the most part. And if you look at, what the $10 million plus families in tiger 21 are doing, they have very little cash. A lot of them just less than 10%.

They’re not hoarding cash. Like how a lot, I think a lot of unsophisticated investors. Or people trying to sell you on gold and silver type of stuff. But that was just a little bit of takeaway that, America, how does the America horde a precious commodity such as oil? It seems like they’ve got a lot of that, it just in case we’d never made any oil and we consumed 20 million barrels a day, that would probably go through that full stash.

Yeah. It’s months upon months. So that made me feel a little bit better that Biden wasn’t just, or I shouldn’t say that the American leadership wasn’t just putting in a million barrels or just to save us 50 cents at the Palm beach so that we don’t get all upset at that. Ideas or assumptions that, the Russian invasion is not spread past other countries, especially into the NATO, the side, the hope is that their weapons are not deployed.

We all should hope, probably a low chance of that happening. But yeah, it’s, it should bounce back to that at some point. Charlie Munger Warren Buffett’s right-hand man said that he says, crypto traders want to get rich quick without doing anything for the civilization. And this really, I applaud it very heavily because, that’s what it gets the in like people who buy things.

So high traders, or they buy crap on eBay selling on Amazon, or generally like the Bitcoin. People like, they’re buying things and they might be making money, but they’re not really adding value to society. Whereas, yeah. You have a business you’re obviously adding value into the system.

When somebody pays more for, which is you’re basically paying for your sweat equity. You’re rehabbing apartments, one unit at a time, that’s obviously adding value because the greater civilization has better rental stock. So I really like this, and I’m wanted to share with this because, and there’s a lot of people out there that just trying to get a buck, get to a million dollars, gets to $2 million net worth. But at the end of the day, I think a lot of, the higher net worth investors agree that it’s more about impact. And if you don’t have to make a huge impact, but at least put your dollars on something that’s going to do good on.

All you guys are, who cares? Where are we going to put our money? What’s the next article here? So Washington post says that investors bought a record share of homes in 2021. Here’s some of the the top markets Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Jacksonville, Phoenix, Orlando, Detroit, Las Vegas, Tampa, Nashville. You can see how them taking up.

Economic innovation group reports which metros have led the recovery so far, because, in 2020, there was a bit of a up all the sea with the pandemic. And now we’re seeing a bit of a, or a huge rebound actually large areas of the south performed very well including most of Florida, Texas.

Areas like Mississippi, Delta, Louisiana are far behind their pre pandemic numbers. And we’re actually looking to sell some of those Mississippi assets right now because of that. And that’s just one of those things that, you never know where you go in, you do your due diligence, but the nice thing is, you don’t lose money and I think that’s why you invested in.

Also in the report. Other metros that I mentioned, Austin, Salt Lake city, Dallas, Tampa, Phoenix, Jacksonville, Raleigh, Nashville, San Antonio. In 2018, Austin’s rapid growth sought overtakes, low growing, even Ohio in terms of total jobs to become the country’s 25th larger employer. Cleveland job growth flatline in 2020 and has made some small gains to 2021.

Here’s a little bit of I guess it’s not working, but it was this cool Jeff that we put together. And we put a lot of this on our social media. Or on pretty much all the channels, at least the team puts us on their Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, I guess if you’re a podcast listener, you don’t see this, but you’re basically seeing a gif file of all the little dots representing people moving out of California, or are they going where well, they’re going to the Sunbelt states of Phoenix, Texas, and to get out of the high pricing.

All right arbor, which is a direct Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac lender reports what’s driving the single family home pool. They’re saying that single-family tenant base continues to evolve and expand as family forming millennials seek more space. Other key demographics, such as aging, baby boomers, who are increasingly less likely to move retirement homes at gen Z years with a greater appreciation of suburban lifestyles are expected to view the growth of single-family home rentals for four.

And the reason why we’re talking about single time home rentals, it almost mimics that of apartments and other types of investments. This is basically just the display of demographics. This is why we invest in this type of stuff, because it’s not a plant rocket science, it’s just demographics. In 2021 urban Institute project found that 8.5 million new households will be formed in the United States between 2020 and 2023. Many of which will be increasingly costs and strain from home by as borrowing costs are set to rise along record high prices. So introductory interest rates and therefore affordability. So you could have a situation where home prices come down, but if interest rates this is they saying.

Affordability, which is a relationship between interest rates and what people can basically forward on their monthly mortgages, could still be going up. And what they’re saying is population is increasing. So you’re going to need more supply plus and minus, especially on this lower end.

Wealth management.com, also talking about the same thing, single family investors continue to gobble up available home. That’s you guys, hopefully you guys learn from my mistakes. Don’t go on by 11 single family, home turnkey rentals. Great way to get started, but definitely not scalable, especially when you really figure out that these tenants are going to trash your house eventually.

Go through four or five evictions. You’ll get one of them. That’s reasonable. And then that cap ex tidal wave, that definitely gets you at some point. They’re saying the share single family of homes bought by investors has been increasing since their first large portfolio of rental homes were assembled in the wake of the great financial prices.

Average cap rates and rental homes drop even the long-term interest rates like the benchmark yield on the 10 year treasury grew over the same period, but where else are you going to get? You’ll that’s as safe as what I say, rising incomes from rents, make investors eager to buy or build new rental houses despite rising prices and construction costs to that from wealth management thoughts.

Arbor reports, top bar markets for multi-family investment growth, the Midwest multifamily market experience under the radar success during 2021 with Detroit, Indianapolis and St. Louis all posting some of the strongest investment growth in the country. Some belt ventrals continued to be a hotbed of investments led by Las Vegas, Houston, and Miami and strong economic recovery and population growth support a residential demand.

Again, Sunbelt, of course, you guys are live podcasts, listeners, come and check out simple. Passive cashflow.com/investor letter. We’ve got the slides for all of this stuff on the website that Yardi matrix reports, gateway market rebound. Record-setting multifamily. So option. So what they mean by gateway markets?

These are all the primary markets that people like to typically to live in. Like the California is that type of new York’s. They’re saying that although doubts about perspectives of large urban sub-markets for me far from resolved data dates that demand for apartments. Cities reopened services and amenities in 2021.

So it, beginning of 20, 20, middle of 2020, everybody was raking off the San Francisco’s. I would probably one of these, but, I do very well that they’re coming back. You’ve got to take a place like New York that gets beat up because, they got, definitely got hit hard by that first wave of COVID, with all those unfortunate deaths that happened and the proximity of all the.

A lot of people got out of town, literally, especially without all the cool things that track you to the city. But now that things are opening back up, you’re seeing this rebound start to happen again. And this is a time when you should be buying, I think, right when something gets beat up, not, you don’t want to be somebody who’s been like this has been going on for the last eight to 12 years.

Now, the times they get in, that’s what the unsophisticated investor, the retail investor. Wealth management.com reports multi-family developers. Try to keep pace with demand. Many apartment developments that start construction today are less likely to be leasing units within a year or two. We’re just got built with a 230 UNX apartment complex that should probably open tail end of the summer.

We’re anticipating certainly the subs on that. And we started at about a year. Solid economic growth, continued strength and labor market high single family home prices and international migration will help up demand. Basically demand is outstripping supply. Therefore rents are rising quickly and there’s no, no signs of stopping in the future.

As what’s coming online in terms of permits and construction. It’s just not filling the pipeline, the need for the growing. Multi-housing news reports at Blackstone bunches, April housing Blackstone is the big, huge 900 pound gorilla. These guys go, they have huge amounts of cash and they typically make long-term smart pools, except when they get into like little landlord owning and they think that they can operate it pretty well, but they have so much cash.

It doesn’t matter anyway, but that’s one of the mistakes that these big guys made some mistake. So Blackstone real estate investment trusts. These are the one is very small part of their company. Buying up properties is called April housing, a new portfolio company that will focus on affordable housing across the United States.

Properties are in major markets around the country, including go figure Dallas, Houston, Austin, Denver, Miami Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Los Angeles. Answer. This is the fourth major tactical move made by Blackstone within the multifamily sector in the past two months. Okay. Blackstone multi-family portfolio, total 130, 3000 units as of September 20, 21, comprising 50% of its assets.

They’re a big company and there’s a bunch of ’em, That many units, when you really think about the whole entire world or country. So there’s still place for the little guy, commercial property, executive reports that how they used to market office is being reset. I just did a video where we walked through our Westheimer assets, which is right there next to the Galleria.

You guys should be seeing that come on the YouTube channel here shortly. Companies that individual relocating from west and east coast to Houston, the boom is a result of Texas and our city of Houston having no state income tax and a diverse employee pool and a business atmosphere.

Additionally, recently completed class a office properties with strong occupancies with long-term tenancy are anticipated to trade at near record and record pricing this year and into 2023. And in recently constructed building investors or see potential for long-term tenancy and garner premium rental rates.

The spread of values between value add and class eight categories will be significant in the Houston office market this year and into 2023 Adam mortgage reports, mortgage lending across us drops at fastest pace in almost three years during the fourth. This is down 10% from a third quarter 2021. So this basically meaning that people are starting to see the interest rates go up and there’s less of this scarcity model tactic to get people to eat better refinance now to capture those all time low rates,

one of the big way they were capturing the mortgage. Was he lots? They’re down a little bit too. Who knows? It could just go up from here. It could come back a little bit, and then the, the mortgage lenders get back on their marketing force, keep telling you to refinance again and again, all I got to say is don’t be that person who just get suckered by a lower interest rate and a lower payment.

Be careful what they’re doing sometimes. So spreading your mind, you might’ve been down to a 20 year out a 30 year amateurization. What they’re doing is they are maybe spreading you back over to a 30 year mortgage or bringing you from a 30 year down to 15. Of course the payment has been, people are at that point, these guys, they’re just like property agents and brokers, they’re just there to get the origination fee.

The answer is always, yes, let’s refund. Joint center for housing studies of Harper university says that millions of ventures fall short of a comfortable standard of living that love Harvard. They actually do some really good articles. The sons is this more of a, like a kind of like the one, but, we put it here and just want to really point it out, raising the minimum wage or offering a universal basic.

Good also help more families reach a basic, more comfortable setting of living is what they said. It won’t go there. Cause that’s the socialist view, but I guess I’m fortunate or it is what it is. Like the pandemic was basically a socialist system for the wealthy or the wealthy got all these kind of breaks and it was in the lower end.

The BC class renter got. Especially now because they’re unable to invest in assets that go up with the pace of inflation. And that might be even be you up. There has a lot of equity in your house and just sitting on cash. Inflation is Robin your money, maybe 7%, maybe in 15%, every year.

Multi-housing news, wind full tell to apartment conversions make sense. So you can also go both ways I’ve seen apart. Like you don’t find. Conversions go to hotels. Now that requires a heck of a lot of CapEx, this is the unit like a crappy old two-star one-star hotel. Like a, not, maybe not a comfort in, but like a days in, I think that’s a little worse.

It gets converted into a garden style apartment. Basically. It’s more some market, which what do you need in the area and what usually drives these things, which is hard for investors to determine. Are you really getting a good deal, right? Or the person that you’re buying the asset from the distress. So low interest rates have a lot for cheap financing and like oppression and cap rates.

As a result, housing rentals land values are at all-time highs, despite points of the pandemic fed and monetary policy has been nothing but a common date of during this time to start off in and recession while converting hotels is not a traditional development play, it does provide the opportunity. For innovative developers,

Redfin reports, the record share of us home buyers are looking to relocate as prices skyrocket. This kind of mentioned this in the other slide where a whole bunch of people, we gotta just, California, but they’re moving. Everybody’s moving around. Buyers are flocking to Miami, Phoenix, Tampa, and the basic these buyers are moving away from.

Markets, exactly what we said, what rising interest rates mean for apartment con cap rates. This is reported by a national multifamily housing council. So interest rates should be going up and cap rates are going down again. I’ve said this many times, but as investors, you’re making money based on the spread between what you’re borrowing at and what the cap rate is.

And they’re pretty much always be a Delta. Knock on wood, right? It’s just saying there’s always going to be gravity. And then you apply leverage and that’s how you make your healthy return there. If higher borrowing costs are offset by higher growth, rinse in rent and net operating cap rates should remain on change.

In other words, cap rates can be thought of as a real rate of return. Which are only affected by changes to their real interest rates as the article. I’ll summarize that. And basically what it comes down to is, people freak out the interest rates are going up. They’re going up because your government, your fed has deemed that the economy’s doing well.

So therefore they need to cool off the economy. And when the economy is doing well, rents are going up and you as an investor are leverage on the rents. Okay. Is the rent screw up your net operating improves. And then that is a huge leverage play to make more money on that ankle. And even if you have to pay a higher interest rate, right at that point, if interest rates go up, you probably shouldn’t be should sell.

Who cares about your interest rate at that point? But you’ve cashed in on those higher rents or in other words, higher net operating income, which takes. A little bit of a leg time, but it’s pretty quick stuff to see that cool. But that’s value add real estate for you now, if you are by hope and create a God that my property appreciates, like something like I was from 2009 to 2005, by 2015 buying little rental properties.

I didn’t do any value add to them. I just buy it and hope that the price went up and typically it does so not. But when you value add properties, you don’t really care what the interest rate is because you’re making so much money on the value add and increasing the value of the property. Whereas if you play around with the analyzer, cause you guys haven’t gotten my single family home analyze where those you guys still looking to buy local rental properties.

You guys will notice that the interest rate has a huge part of the. Impact on the rents. If you have a thousand dollars a month rental, I’m just guessing here, if your interest rates goes up by a half a point, now your cashflow might come down by $50, $75 a month. And if that’s the case, then yeah, that’s a huge part of your cashflow.

And most of these properties these days, they just don’t cash nearly as much. Gone are the days of find three or 400. So three or $400 a month. Cashflow, if you guys need to analyze your hair, you guys can download that@simplepassivecashflow.com slash analyzer, but it’s a paradigm shift when you’re in value, add real estate and you make, you see how much money you’re making.

If you take a little hundred unit property in your value, adding five units a month, and that increases the rents by a hundred, $200. You increase the value by $500,000 a month, times 12, you basically creating any divided by a cap rate of five. You’re basically creating like $200,000 of value every single month, every month.

And then after a year that’s a couple million bucks. And now you start to realize what Lane’s talking about. It gives a rip about that interest rate. At that point, we just created $2 million. That’s a lot of, and then you do the sensitivity analysis. Okay. We were paying for 4% and now we have the refinance that let’s just call it 7%.

Your debt service goes up. But when you look how much money you value at that property, it’s trumped by that number by.

Oh, Hey Sean. Thanks for shout out there.

Oh do you want to mention like New York city is increased simply because apartment prices were already on the decline in 2019. Before the us outbreak of COVID-19. That, that market and places like San Francisco and east bay and San Jose, these are called like the low cap markets. And now personally, I was like, yeah, why would you want to invest in low cap markets?

It’s stupid. But now I’m seeing the reason why you do that in a way magic. You add a whole lot of money, like 50, a hundred million dollars. At that point, you just want to store your cash somewhere in a stable. They had gone to pull down Waco, Texas, or Boise, Idaho. The reason why the caps are so high is because it is risky though.

And the banks don’t like to lend to those types of market, because they’re risky. They will give much better terms in these low cap type of environments like San Francisco, New York, because it is a lot more of.

Ari business online reports doing well by doing good transforming class B and C workforce housing. There’s an overwhelming demand for class VNC assets. Why a large portion of new development over the past decade has been classic luxury. That class a makes up only 20% of the total rental market. Most gets, I don’t understand why classy works.

I get why it works from like a syndicator standpoint because it looks really pretty and pictures and unsophisticated investors like pretty pictures. So their spouses think they’re stupid for investing in like a garden style, people, overalls color, or class B or C apartment, those in a normal recession, those are the ones that kind of get hit the hardest.

If you’re not in the ideal, the best areas. Continuing on the article investments in these types of properties can earn significant above average ROI. This is not through only through passive quarterly distributions, but also end of cycle returns upon the sale of property. Yeah. Are you business has the right idea?

But we are running up to the end here. If you guys have any question comes in, if not again, check out our family office. So mastermind or in our circle for our community. I probably one of the biggest communities out there, I don’t know any other community that has brought in over $140 million to their investors to buy over a billion dollars of assets.

Most people say have you heard of these guys, have you heard of these guys? And I’ve even bought over a $250 million of assets. No, that’s what the quarter, what we have, but whatever, I guess numbers aren’t super that important I guess just being sarcastic there by the way. But again, you get a free copy of my book.

 

 

And this is the section where I go into some personal stuff. W we model this on between Robbins six, B. Now the first one is growth. What are some things I’m working on? So the mentioned earlier that 230 unit in Huntsville, Alabama is almost complete.

We want to do like a little tour in the summer time is what I’m trying to make happen. And, oh, we had a question here. Isaac says taking a break into deals. Why is that? Send me an email. Isaac, we can have the team send you the webinar should be in the investor portal for you guys, but we did an hour long or 40 minute webinar on exactly that in short, a lot of the properties we bought just a year ago, went up like quite a bit, maybe 10%, at least none of that, you can’t really. Til, through refinance, it just doesn’t make sense to, pay the lending fees to pull out the equity. But the equity is there by pure market appreciation, a little bit of sweat equity, hard work. I say that I’m joking me there too. Do you think we work hard, but it’s just hard to pay pricing on new assets like that, because let’s say.

There are a lot of amateurs that have own less than a half, a billion dollars of assets just buying whatever these days. And it’s harder to make these deals work. Interest rates are going up, most of the deals today are value, add originals so that it isn’t matter, but it’s just getting harder and harder, with the success of some developments and those types of.

Seemingly higher risk, higher return type of deals. Still not like they’re not out of left field for sure. That’s why you’re invested the states. Nothing crazy, still, even the more exotic type of stuff or the chocolate deals, but we’re just taking a pause at this time, be evaluating things, but yeah, check out that webinar.

We did, shoot me an email or send us a, you my team at simple passive cashflow that. We’ll send you guys that webinar. And we also did a webinar since we are exiting a few assets. People are going to have a healthy amount of capital gains and depreciate your capture. What do you do?

So we got a webinar on that talking specifically about that deal. So I think first for some people, you would want to see it, a real example of the, understand it. If not, you just listen to a podcast talking to URI, which can help. But, I think when you talk real numbers on an exited deal, it really makes this stuff come to life.

And this stuff is really simple. Folks. You guys are all smart people out there because we’ve got a lot of engineers Isaac, you got that PB. You’re a smart guy, but until you get walked through at once, it’s hard to pick up and that’s why I do what I do. This is the contributions.

Man, these financial planners, they’re just guys selling you on securities. And I don’t like these guys, right? Like they’re just selling prod retail Baltics. And this is what’s all messed up with the financial world is that there’s all these like products where most of your returns are taking up and hidden fees carried interests.

And I would say. Majority of returns are taken by buddies, big wall street companies and the commission. So this, the agent, the financial planner find me a financial planner that actually made their money, not by sewing people, commission products. But some, how do I get some significance? We’re finally seeing that a lot of people pulling money out of us equity fund.

So we’re seeing slower inflows into that type of stuff as shown by this, visual capitalist infographic here. Andrew, I really like the fact that, a lot of these deals are finally cashing out. This one deal that we did in. We didn’t have cashflow for the whole time. This was actually in a pretty rough area.

I made a video maybe three years ago where I had like spooky Halloween music. We released it during Halloween and it was a joke. Some people actually got really afraid and that’s why I don’t do that anymore. Although there is going to be some videos coming out later, maybe next month, where we went through some of the Houston assets.

And, for those are the. In those don’t get super long. We’re just trying to make it fun. You had some really ugly turned apartments where we’d know the tenant got evicted, just left it in shambles. There’s like cockroaches and, it’s just made for YouTube guys. Like this is pretty common stuff in our business, turning these units.

But again, this is why we make the big books because we are rolling our seasonal. Putting value into properties and making the world a little bit better. Uncertainty, man, every time we do it, the highlight this was this was actually one of those deals. That’s exiting. People, came to my house. It’s hard to see, but you can see on the screen there, this is a deal at El Paso that also didn’t cash flow, but also at the end of. Exceeded performer by a long shot.

And I’m always like, man, I really like to work with people that kind of trust us and know that we also have skin in the game. That’s the way I tell people that diversify too. But I dunno, sometimes I get a little stressed out by this and to me that’s the on searching it. Like it really gets, until you go through a full cycle before you go.

See those K ones, it’s really not well. So I get it, but then that’s what the community is for. But I get a little search and T no, this is why you invest in those things. Even if it’s a development, which is seen as the more higher risks, at the end of the day, the lands for something and all the materials are worth something.

And until you buy the materials and put it into service you’re not making any. But the value is there. People wanted to buy our apartment for the apartment was even bill. That’s just how crazy this market is. And you can always find a point to sell these assets, whether it makes money or not apparently, but that’s funny why, like a lot of people are buying these class B assets for crazy prices.

That’s why we decided not to sell it. Not even built yet because people are willing to pay crazy prices, which I don’t really think buying this new class. They stuff really make sense, but it makes sense to sell to a lot of those guys. Whereas like crypto and NTFs, all this other stuff, to me, it goes up and down with emotion, just done with that.

I think today stock market went down 300 points know I stopped paying attention to all the headlines because most of the times it’s just something major trying to figure out justify what happened in the world. But yeah, real estate is a hedge against inflation because it’s a package commodity and it’s way better than gold and all this other stuff, because it also makes you income.

And if you can combine that with the fact that you can force appreciate the asset. What else can do it? You can’t value add. The close things out, what’s all without a love connection. Took my daughter to Aulani saw Mickey and Minnie for the first time, she didn’t know what the heck was going on.

She was nine months year old. She doesn’t know, but, I’ll be doing a feature video of this. So I found the way you can get really cheap. I’m going to call it Tertiary Disney vacation Timeshare Rentals. So you can buy it from a timeshare and that’s a rip off. You can also buy the timeshare from somebody else who realize that timeshares are stupid idea and they need to dump it.

You can buy it from one of these secondhand sites and even that’s a bad idea. I did another video in the rich uncle YouTube channel, which is separate from the simple passive cashflow channel that went down through the math of this. If say, if somebody bought, you can also rent out other people’s timeshares.

So if you have a timeshare and you don’t use the point, which is typically what happens, cause it’s real pain in the butt to use this and that nothing ever works. You can rent out your points to somebody and that’s usually will be my go-to recommendation is just go on one of these third-party sites and rent it from them.

What I did and how I got Aulani for $200 on a Wednesday night, Again, you gotta be, not have a day job to go on a Wednesday. What people will do is they’ll be sophisticated enough to rent the points from another timeshare owner, but something came up and they have to drop it.

And there I am the buyer out of their misery. So I like deals. I don’t like wholesalers who swindle people who don’t know how to read out of the only asset that they own their house to buy the 50 cents on the dollar to supposedly solve their problems and all that nonsense. But I guess, I dunno, maybe it bad buying a timeshare because typically the timeshare buyers aren’t super sophisticated, knowledgeable.

They typically get preyed on by the timeshare salesman, but maybe I feel just a little bit less guilty or the fact that it is a discretionary item to that. But anyway their loss is my gain in this situation. I don’t know. I just, I like to find deals, whether it’s apartment deal stay at Aulani or something really cool than New York city. A deal is a deal.

And I guess that’s what makes the world goes round or that’s what I enjoy, but I guess we’ll see you guys next month. Again, if you guys want to join the community, go to simplepassivecashflow.com/club and also you can get access to a lot of different courses we have on our members portal by signing up there and tell your friends about this group and start interacting. If you guys need anything, shoot the team an email at team@simple passivecashflow.com. And I’ll see you next month.

 

Coaching Call – Remote Investor Incubator Student Round Up

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What’s up everybody? This is episode 300. We’re going to be doing a little giveaway if you guys stay to the end of this, but where we’ve been in the past, what we started this podcast in 2016, and back then I was still buying little single family homes. Obviously, you know, I came in as an accredited investor and kind of left that world behind.

 

I think, investing in large multi-family apartments or other syndications where you’re a passive investor is the way to go because you’re turning your ordinary income to passive income, you’re getting a lot of passive activity losses with cost segregations bonus depreciation.

 

Pushing forward the cans down the road, leaving a world behind of 1031 exchanges, which I think are obsolete unless of course you’re having a gate of more than a few million dollars of capital gain depreciation, recapture. If it’s all garbled gibberish to you, go to simple passive cashflow.com/tax.

 

My little tax notes there, some of my old tax returns, a lot of good stuff there. We started the HUI  pipeline club thus far and brought in over $140 million from folks like yourself, a billion dollars of assets under ownership. A lot of people getting started today are still under a hundred, $250 million.

 

We’re well over a billion dollars at this point, 7,800 units or so, and I just realized these large crowdfunding websites, which spend a lot of money or venture capital back so they can pay for customer acquisition.  And we’ve raised like half of the amount that these large groups have been.

 

Lowly old me from 300 podcasts to go. It goes to show if you start something and you chip away at it I can grow this something big, especially when the mission is to get you, the high paid working professional out of the day job. And it’s finally taken me 300 episodes to really get this formula down, but it’s a simple 1, 2, 3 step program.

 

First invest in deals where you’re going into value add. So you can get the passive activity losses. So then you can play these tax games that the wealthy do. And thirdly, infinite banking. And I always say, thirdly, because some of you guys have lower net worth out there. Geek out on infinite banking or even if you’re above one to $2 million net worth, a lot of you guys will geek out on that and spend too much time and we have the free infinite banking e-course if you guys want to check that out at simplepassivecashflow.com/banking.

 

You guys can get free access that takes a couple, two or three hours from are all about infinite banking. As opposed to just listing a bunch of podcasts and hearing it, the marketing pitch from the life insurance guy, learn about the pros and cons. That’s been my thought process from the beginning. There’s so much noise out there. IRA, self-directed IRAs, solo 401k, all these things, when you keep things simple and it’s geared towards the high paid working professional things are very simple.

 

Now, along the road, right? We teach you guys that, paying on your house, paying down your debt. The best part about this stuff may not be the right decision to buy your primary residence. To me, in my opinion, some people will call me crazy for this. I don’t think you should buy your primary residence until your net worth is two to three times that of the house.

 

Therefore, if you’re in your thirties or forties buying a $600,000 house, I don’t think you should be buying a house until your net worth is like a million half, $2 million net worth, which I know it ain’t, if you’re buying a $600,000 house, now, maybe I’m just getting old 36 today going on 37 and I feel part of this was to give back.

 

So on today’s podcast, you’re going to be hearing a coaching call for a program that I used to do that we don’t do anymore, which is called the incubator. The incubator was meant for lower net worth folks under quarter million, half a million dollars to buy their first single family of all remote turnkey rental.

 

That is how I got started, back in 2009, I bought a bunch of rentals in Seattle, and then I went out of state for cashflow. I bought 11 of those rental properties and realized there was a total pain in the butt to manage. And all your returns go away. It looks great on paper, but all the returns go away and the headaches magnify themselves, but tenants move out.

 

You got a big cap ex tidal wave. If you’re out there having a couple of rental properties or even eight plus rental properties, at some point that cap ex is going to get you and you’re going to have, an eviction here, there and, a small fraction of those evictions is going to end up into a five $20,000 repair billing, or you’re wondering why, like, why are we doing this again?

 

Don’t take those pro formas  for those turnkey guys, they’re just trying to sell this stuff guys. But anyway, how do you educate yourself? We did this incubator. We have the remote investor e-course and we have the incubator. So for the people listening to this you’re going to get a sample of this at the end, but if you want to email us at team@implepassivecashflow.com subject line 300, we’ll hook you up with it.

 

But you gotta be part of the investor club to do that. Go to simplepassivecasual.com/club and join our database right there. That’s how you get all the pool insiders. And part of the bonus for this episode 300, put that in the subject line. We’ll hook you up with that because we’re moving off of buying little rental properties and moving more to the accredited investor stuff, which our curriculum and ecourse

 

syndication course for passive LP partners, how do you do your best due diligence? Whereas the incubator and investor force is more like what’s in the black box, right? How do you go buy a remote rental source or property manager or get a lender or do all this pain in the bud stuff? Which I feel is the foundation.

 

So not to alienate the accredited investors who are like, yeah, screw that stuff. And I would probably agree. That’s no way to build less lasting legacy wealth when your net worth goes over a billion dollars or you’re making more than a hundred, hundred $50,000 a year. Buying little rental properties is a waste of time, but it’s a great place to start.

 

So for some of you accredited investors, I think it’s a great idea.  To go buy your kids a little rental property, let them mess it up, let them learn. That’s the way you learn. I think if we have some investors that will bring their kids into some syndication deals. I feel syndication deals make you dumb really fast.

 

It’s a great way to live a nice passive investor, simple passive cashflow lifestyle. But if you’re trying to pass off the wealth, which is really the focus of a lot of us, who’ve found financial freedom and are funded in such a way where, you know, in five to 10 years, if you’re doing it the right way, stop doing all the 401k nonsense.

 

Stop paying down your debt in your house. You can get financial freedom in under a decade. Some even less than five years, if your net worth is already 1.5, $2 million net worth. So you focus on what’s the next generation so section planning. To me,  my kids aren’t this old, but the best way to have them is to own a little rental property.

 

Now at the last mastermind retreat, I joked around with a lot of people who were two or $3 million net worth. Even buying a little rental property for them is a complete waste of time. Yes. You want the kids to learn about this type of stuff, but maybe you just lie to them and you buy them a fake rental property and you ask them, Hey, Jr. The refrigerator broke. What do you want to do? Do you want to fix it? Or, your tenant might move out? And people joked and laughed that yeah. It’ll be easy to make this stuff. I’ll just look up the stuff from my property manager, all the emails, all the garbage BS that came from there, all the drama that happened.

 

And then the funny joke at the end, when the kid gets 16 or 21, you reveal that, Hey man, I just made it all up. But you learned something about this. But this is what the incubator is. So if you’re already in the club and especially if you’re an investor with us currently, we definitely want to hook you up with the incubator concept, which really doesn’t help you and doesn’t  pertain anything to a passive investor.

 

Even though there is a little bit of a carryover, we want your kids to go through it, right? We’re big on education for the next generation because who cares? If you have $5- $6 million net worth, you put it all into infinite banking and the kids take it over.

 

We all know it’s going to happen. They’re just gonna do cocaine. I forget the verbiage, somebody, I think it’s a warm buffet thing, but you want to give them enough money to be comfortable, but not enough to do nothing. I might be butchering that for a little bit, but.

 

You’ll get a sense of what this incubator content is. Again, for the lower  net worth  guys getting started in today’s podcasts with Marianne is going to help me ask the questions. This is probably like 5% of the whole incubator course. It’s like about 20 hours, but that’s the free gift.

 

And that’s the mission behind simple passive cashflow, right? I am working as an engineer. There’s not a day that goes by that I’m super grateful for starting this podcast, which allowed me to start the family office ohana mastermind, which kind of replaced my W2 engineering salary for me to do something that I enjoyed.

 

And, I want to continue to grow that group in the future. If you guys are, a million, $2 million plus, and you get it. You want to invest in deals, but you need that network around you. You can’t go to the local real estate club. You can’t go to all this online free garbage stuff, because they’re just a bunch of freeloaders there and marketers and sharks out there.

 

I created the family office ohana  mastermind now with almost a hundred members. Learn more simple passive cashflow.com/journey, or send a team@simplepassivecashflow.com an email. We’ll get somebody on our staff to tell you what it’s all about, but that’s where we’re heading off into the future, deals and I like this consulting route, right? To me, there’s no better way of impacting people. And for me, I don’t really like to help the masses. I like to help people that I know. That’s just the way that I’ve felt to give back. I like to know the people who I’m helping and it’s a smaller community there.

 

Again, go to simple passive cashflow.com/journey. The incubator is up for grabs for a very limited time email, subject line 300. That’s the secret code for the team to hook you up with it, but you gotta be part of the club, simplepassivecashflow.com/club. And thank you for listening to 300 of the episodes.

 

If there’s any feedback or anything you guys want to see in the future, please let us know. Thank you for allowing me to quit my day job. If not, I’d probably be out there waking up at 6:00 AM for some boring job briefing and that I don’t want to go and regurgitating the company jargon of, safety first or safety second, whatever it is.

 

But again, thank you everybody. Here’s to another a hundred episodes and  looking forward to meeting as many as your person as we open up in 2022 beyond.

 

 

Hello, incubator students. So we have an old student Marianne here who went through the incubator course. So please go through all the past videos before you watch this video, because it’s meant to round out all the remaining questions and fill the gaps. But thanks for jumping on Marianne.

 

And hopefully this discussion helps give me more insight and hopefully I answered all these questions. Sure. Maybe I didn’t like, understand or needed just some clarification. Yeah. And that’s why we do this right in this format, as opposed to writing down answers and a horrible typer.

 

And I was never good at English. So it’s always better to talk through the answers because a lot of these are more, answers in the gray and stuff like. So the first one here is one of our associations, these are rental properties. Is this charged back to the tenant or can it be tax deductible if it’s a short term rental?

 

So let’s just take out the fact that we’re talking about short term or long term. I don’t think it matters either way, but it’s two things here. So they’ll almost all owner association fees for the most part. You can do it either way. It’s just some people decide that they want to charge the tenants.

 

I think some of us who’ve lived in apartments or houses or in college, it was all over the place so very similar. But most times the tenant is just in charge of one thing, especially in B & C class stuff because dude, you don’t want to give these guys responsibility to do another thing.

 

And ultimately you’re the one holding the bag or interest fees racking up. So if you gotta make it easier for them so they just paid one thing, which means they’re typically reimbursed  for utilities or these homeowners association fees. And then the other question is is it tax deductible? Yeah, sure it is necessary and ordinary for your business.

 

I guess I’ll let you ask the questions here. So actually that was for number one. So number two, in this section, within the turnkey, a course on what markets do I invest in? Like in the course material, how often are the top markets updated? Is it annually? Because it’s due to the MSA data. They’re not really updated.

 

I just cut and pasted this thing right here. And it’s supposed to be just guidelines that these are the types of markets. You’ll probably never see California, New York, Boston, Hawaii, Seattle here. All right. These are all secondary and tertiary markets, if you’re looking for the top 10, this is the clickbait type of stuff that maybe I would be the one thing I would be on the lookout for what markets to invest in.

 

The one thing I would caution people about is to stay away from those very small markets like Boise, right? He’s making a lot of headlights now, but it’s only a quarter of a million people. It’s under that. I wouldn’t invest in anything less than half a million or certainly 300- 400,000 thousand population or less.

 

Okay. When you’re talking those bigger medium, large size cities MSA now, like there’s not really much. For the most part. That’s exactly why you pick investing in Phoenix or Houston as their major markets. They don’t really around too much. I would group B&C questions together.

 

Can we correlate a short-term or vacation rental kind of market with Regular turnkey market? So for instance, like Jacksonville, Tampa, Florida, and Arizona, would you say those are, I guess safer  markets? Cause you could either go on vacation or turnkey.

 

To me, like the short term rentals is an entirely different business. It’s a very, and I say that, it’s a seal, like people are living in your box, right? So from that respect, I think that’s where you can say it’s the same, but the way I look at it, it’s very different because the clientele that you serve is very different.

 

Term rentals are more discretionary it’s people on vacation. Just something like, just to prove my point, like very similarly, like a mobile home park. Is for like class D class C type of tenants, but then you have RV parks, same structure, but two very different clientele RV parks are more for the families that like to travel.

 

And they like to go to the parks and on vacation, like two very different clienteles. I just don’t even like to intermingle . Like that. I think you got a good idea there, right? And you’re like, oh wow. If Jacksonville is a place where it’s traditionally been a great secondary market, with a lot of long-term rental short with long term rental market, and people happen to travel up the panhandle up to Florida, to go on vacation because they can’t afford to go to Disneyland or go to international travel. And that’s where. Those types of short term rentals come in. But I guess I was just thinking more of an exit strategy if I need any in future.

 

Would it be an easier exit, but that was my thought. Oh, okay. Yeah. But the problem is like if you’re buying a class B house it is a piece of crap. In terms of short-term rental vacationer standards. You say you’re looking to get a long-term rental and then sell it retail to some sophisticated Airbnb owner.

 

Is that kinda the idea? If we have to exit, for instance, like the pandemic light turns different or at least at the beginning of the pandemic, we are unsure. And this was the other way around like short term people are looking at long-term or maybe, I don’t know, with, meaning futures.

 

Long-term going to short term. I don’t know, but just if I had to exit a turnkey, I was thinking if, having it somewhere that may be short term interest too, if that’s safer. Yeah, it’s just your run. Long-term rental, your class B rental. It ain’t going to be in a place where people are going to be vacationing.

 

And I think a lot of you guys in the incubator, it’s great ideas, but this is where you got to get some on the ground and actually go travel and want to go visit these properties because once you visit the stuff. Shit, that ain’t good. A good idea, right? It’s not dangerous, but nobody in their right mind would come and vacation there for a day or a week.

 

No way. It’s just not gonna happen. Yeah I don’t know if Seattle, right? It’s kinda like you traveled to Seattle. There’s no way in hell. You’re gonna go and get a short-term rental in Auburn, Kent or Renton, no way that’s not going to happen. Or where you’re out in the world.

 

You’re not going to go get an Airbnb in Baltimore, hell no.   It’s the same thing. Or maybe those are bad examples or kind of extreme, but it’s what I’m saying, at the same time to your point, we never knew what was going to happen in the pandemic. Traditionally or especially in Florida, a lot of the people, they’re Airbnb shutdown, but around the summer times, those people were making a killing firefly with their short-term rentals because people couldn’t go to Disney world. They wanted to get the heck out of their houses. And you know how Florida people are right.

 

They’re anti-vax. They want to get out there. The only place they could go was to a little Airbnb in Jacksonville or on the coast. Who knows? But I think, separating the short-term long-term, it’s just two different clienteles, two different asset classes. Got it.

 

Thank you so much, Lane. Okay. I know you’re thinking. I like how you’re thinking too. You never know. Yeah. I was thinking more like airports and stuff too. But then again, how do we correlate the best real estate markets with the rise by sector? I guess as things expand off California and Seattle.

 

What cities are startups, starting to lay down their roots and are any of these new cities in the appreciation market or in those markets where we are, we should look at for short-term rental or long-term? So you’re thinking like the tech markets or any other things that are moving out of California or Seattle, right? Like where are these people going? Boise, I dunno where else they’re going. Analogy that people use is that the Bay Area was like a pressure cooker and it just spilled over, in probably the 2010s, it was spilling over into Seattle, Bellevue, Kirkland . And then in the last decade, also it spilled over to Salt Lake City, Phoenix.

 

And then with the pandemic, with the remote working where a lot of these tech companies said, you can go where the heck you guys want. Now it’s spilled over to these other or tertiary markets like Boise, people are coming to Hawaii here. Because they don’t, they have no need to go to an office anymore.

 

So they’re going all over the place. I’m not in tech, so I don’t know, but the traditionalist inside of me still feels like these people need to be physically located in a city hub. But every city is telling themselves that it has a little tech sector, Atlanta, even places like Birmingham, right?

 

Like it’s everywhere, right? Like the Delta variant it’s everywhere, it’s your fault. Okay, thank you, Lane. I asked specifically about Texas because in question E because my husband just moved to Texas this year, where would you recommend to invest in Texas? And does it depend on the year, like in your copy and paste above, you mentioned that’s pretty general, a year does not matter.

 

Yeah. Texas is on fire. You see all the stats every single month, the people will be from everywhere, especially California, pro economy, more of a red state, except for Austin, Texas. Everything is new out there and from a traffic engineer standpoint, like you can build roads how you want it.

 

Everything’s bigger in Texas. Traditionally this is as far back as like the early 2000s, they call it the Texas triangle. So that is Dallas, Houston, San Antonio. Anywhere in the Texas triangle, it’s just blowing up. That said, that has been the sentence for the last decade.

 

And now in the year 2021, it’s getting older, especially in Dallas. You have a lot of unsophisticated people just coming in. Oh, it’s really hard to buy even class C assets. It used to be, you could buy it for 40- 50 grand a unit. Now you’re over a hundred grand for some of that class C.

 

Texas is overplayed and you’re probably like five years, to be the first settler. But that said, all the fundamentals are still strong and people are, keep moving in. Rents are still going up. I guess if I’m reading your question, maybe it’s not as hot in Dallas, but maybe people are starting to look in Fort Worth more, which is the sister city of Dallas. They’re running off to Houston. Now, San Antonio was a little weak in the last handful of years, but now these things go up and down. But I don’t think you can go wrong anywhere on like the  or other main interstates, even going out to the panhandle.

 

Okay. Thank you Lane for helping. Moving on to the next section on deal analysis is really just a comment on the deal analysis like excel on the analyzer, I was wondering if we should include some of the assumptions, 5% in some of the fields and then also like color code, like conditional format.

 

So see if I put in certain numbers that all were red. If it’s low, the trash will be looked at. So maybe I could work on that for you, Lane, if you want. Or I could just see for myself. Yeah. I think a lot of people out there want to go based on whether I want the spreadsheet to light up blue or different shades of green.

 

But things change all the time, right? Like when five years ago you’d be looking for properties at the 1.1%, rent the value threshold in a certain sub-market. Now, today that same market, you might be lucky to find rent to value ratios at 0.9%. So it’s a constantly moving target. And if you’ve seen that chart that I show sometimes of like general cap rates coming down, It ain’t getting better.

 

It’s just you did the infinite banking thing and they always change those things. The best time to do it was yesterday guys, and this is why in the incubator group, like we always have people. I always tell people I don’t know what lights up, the spreadsheet, red or green.

 

I say that facetiously because I’m like go out and go analyze 20, 50, a hundred properties. And you go tell me where the scatter chart tells you where the water line is on this type of stuff. Let’s see. Cool. The next one is more just on organizing the Google drive.

 

I think I put it here, should we put it as the suffix rather than the prefix? Because of some of the files, I was like where do I see? Where do I, how do I see the actual file? But that’s fine. It was just my comments on the origin or anything. Okay. Okay. What, like what fall are you trying to get access to Google drive files?

 

Yeah, but which one? Maybe I should email you the record. Cause I put these questions a while back and I forget what the deal analysis is. Sorry. Okay. I think so. I think all the, like the resources and files are just clumped in the share file, but if you go through the incubator course or the remote investor equal yeah.

 

The links are there in the order of progression. So let’s see, I caught it here. You didn’t go through the e-course. I know, like that’s how I would do it. I’m just like you, right? I’m like, all right let me just read stuff as I need it, not go through the freaking order and then let me download this big resource and just go do the research. Like you worked backwards. That’s how I would do it too. But that’s why you have enough problems. Okay. Thank you.

 

Yeah. It’s pretty typical of folks in our group, right? That’s why you’re doing what you’re doing.

So doesn’t that eel hold the same weight as cash on cash or ROI, is NOI, does it hold the same weight and why. Cash on cash. I’ve never heard of net yield, talked about two months, but cash on cash is a very common one. It’s a cash and cost is based on how much money you have if your down payment and then how much ROI getting on it.

 

NOI is how much money you’re making. You’re profiting. So income minus expenses, not including any of your debt service. Because some people won’t use any debt, which is silly to me. Some people will use 70%. Some people use 80%. So in terms of people comparing their investments, they throw all that stuff out the window and just compare the net operating income on a deal.

 

But as an investor, when you’re looking at your portfolio you have three or four properties. Something I suggest investors do every year is prune off the property, one out of the bunch. So the way you’re doing this is you’re just comparing yourself. You just, you’re just in competition with yourself or your properties or competition that gets each other.

 

So you want to figure out what your return on equity is. So part of that analysis is your cash and cash return. Okay? Yes. I think that makes sense. ‘ cause I sometimes am emotional about stuff. I buy mine, looking at it through this analysis. This helps me prune, yeah. The resource for that is simplepassivecashflow.com/roe.

 

There’s a spreadsheet in there where you put all your properties and then you put in like how much equity the schools or deployable equity you have in there. So basically. You have how much property you’re profiting. You are divided by how much deployable equity and that’s your return on equity.

 

And then it compares all your properties. And for most people that they do this especially the ones that have done it the traditional way, where they try and fail debt, which doesn’t take advantage of all the inflation that’s happening. Now, you get killed by hanging off.

 

Now that you’re like, oh shoot, I have this one a hundred percent paid off, even though I’m cash a lot. And it is, it might be a great rental in my portfolio. This is my dead weight right here. This is what I should probably sell refinanced. We keep on first. And that’s what it helps. Helps you make that decision.

 

Okay. Thank you then. I think they are kind of related too, so cat rave, so let’s talk about cat rate. Any, should we only show, talk about cat rate when it’s all cash, since it’s the ratio of net operating income to property value. So if I bought a house at 70 and like the NOI seven, that brings me to a clean cap of 10, right? Or no? So cap rate is typically used in commercial real estate. When you’re buying little rental properties, it really doesn’t. People like to use it to sound cool, but it’s really, to me, not the place or that type of usage of the word, in a single-family home, we mainly discuss in terms of cash on cash return or return on equity, which is more just in competition with your old self.

 

But when you’re trying to compare all the investors, like comparing each other’s stuff, Ooh, I’m getting cash on cash return. That’s how you typically talk in terms of things. When you find an investor and they stay alive, operating on us for cat five cat, they usually there it’s like one of those people that they want to sound cool, but they really only look like a douche because.

 

Terms correctly. Cap rates are mostly for the commercial world because as I cut and paste this in here, cap rates are severely overestimated. In most cases, especially by brokers, sellers, and syndicators. And your guy who likes to brag about his one rental property, being a seven or 15 cap, I don’t really pay much attention to.

 

The reason why is because typically what’s going on or expenses are always left out or income is slated and that’s what dictates your cap. So when you have bad data, you might as well just throw the dang thing out. So it’s like a top of line calculation. They’re always manipulated, and this can throw your cap plus or minus 2%, right?

 

So an example is a broker will be like, oh, we got it. We got a fifth, 12 cap. First of all, when I see that stuff, I know I’m working with just a douchebag broker, right? Another one of these yo-yos. And I want to work with a broker that shows me numbers and actually is not going to just try and trick me.

 

But ridiculous stuff with, oh, we’re working on a seven chapter eight cap, right? The reason why is because they’re just manipulating, they’re just manipulating, but either income or expenses. And one common way is maybe they don’t show the property manager, the owner is doing the property management themselves.

 

So they’re saving several thousand dollars with property management. But when I take over the property, you take over the property, we’re going to need it. So that nine chap property goes down to a six, five cat property overnight. That’s why I threw the dang thing up, because it all depends on how the seller has manipulated it. Their profit and loss statement. That makes sense.

 

So it’s what do you want, what cap rate do you want to see? That’s why all brokers know that they have a sucker, a buyer like, oh, Marianne, what a cap rate are you looking for? Eight and a half. All right. Let me just change this number here. Like it’s, if you don’t know the difference.

 

All right. Here’s the eight cap. Oh, you like it? That’s good. That’s exactly what you want. Okay. When you’re working with institutional brokers, larger deals where they don’t jerk around. They sell things as they are. Yeah. You still have to be, do your due diligence. And you’re playing a detective to get the cap rate.

 

You have less of this nonsense. But with single-family homes, anything under 60 minutes, this is going to be very positive and it was just why I don’t even look at the cat. Mind blowing. Thanks Lane. Appreciate it. Case study, I have not submitted what he said yet because my husband and I are looking at an investment in Houston or attempting Houston, but the TKI.

 

I think in Houston,Texas, they mentioned that they’re out of inventory. So they’re supposed to send the inventory list this month. Yeah. Which may or may not be good. Because they have so many clients, sucker investors. There’s so many people now that after the start of the pandemic have rushed into buying turnkey rentals.

 

That’s one of the reasons why we paused on the whole incubator program because. I’ve moved off to syndications and private placements. And like the turnkey world is always just always changing people come in, they come out the good ones. If they’re smart, they go to more retail products and they don’t mess with cheapskate investors.

 

Which is hard, right? Like the people that people always talk about on the forums, those are the people just gouging people on prices because they built up a track record. And the sponsored group has happened. But I dunno, I figure out what the property is worth, that you’re actually paying for, not the price that you’re paying, gonna use your deal analyzer for that.

 

So thank you. You have to figure out the comparable sales, right? You get to do that yourself. And unfortunately that’s why I don’t like residential real estate because the price is dictated and comparable sales have nothing to do with the number. So when you’re buying a duplex triplex spot, it shouldn’t go based on the numbers.

 

It should get the price dictated on comparable sales. Oh, he understood. I was wondering in terms of the financing, do you know if you like for duplex turnkeys, if we should even look at FPG loans, yeah. Because if he’s based in one of the units, can I try to receive, we could qualify for FPG.

 

Yeah. You have to be owner occupied and you have to be owner occupied to get that stuff. I’m not super familiar with the FHA. And this is where you talk with your lender because the rules kind of change. But my understanding is that for the FHA stuff you have to live there for sure. On the Fannie and Freddie loans, you don’t have to be living there to be not more occupied, but you gotta come with a full 20% down payment and you’re going to have to pay maybe half a point higher than what you would have otherwise, if it was occupied.

 

But I don’t know. If you guys are accredited investors, to me, it’s a freaking waste of time. What do you do? You do all this work, you do the inspection you buy, especially when you buy it over market price, because you’re surrounded by a bunch of unsophisticated turnkey buyers that just listen to a bunch of podcasts and you’re overpaying by 10 20 grand plus, it all you’re going to have at the end of the day is going to be underwater and you’re going to be making what, $200 a cashflow a month.

 

For younger people, That’s cool. What if your net worth is half a million or your credit investor then? In Hawaii, we call that full whole. It’s not worth it. It’s PETA. Okay. Thanks. Even what the E I D and I think they’ll lower is the FHA we can get in with. And what’s the look at the ROI, the cash on cash, because my down payment is so low.

 

I’m making, I’m just making this up 30% of my money, 40% of my money just in cash, because I only have $10,000 down. But how much are you really making at the end of the day for that level of effort? I don’t know. And then I, especially for accredited investors, You’re going to be living amongst your tenants.

 

This is not cool for married people, in my opinion, but I’m not, this is a lifestyle that doesn’t listen to me. And if I wasn’t a credit investor, I’d want to live somewhere. Cool. Instead of just a turnkey rental, with LVT flooring and indestructible countertops, I’d rather.

 

Living in a nice, luxurious apartment. I think seeing me as my husband, he likes apartment living too, so yeah, but we’ll look and see. Yeah, but I get it right. Like the FHA is, that’s the law, right? You think you’re coming in with 5% down and the wheels in your head or? Ooh, that’s a great ROI, but is it really?

 

Move the needle. And at what point, especially as a credit investor, you start to realize I’m going to get financial freedom very quickly in the next five years. If you’re already a credit investor, why am I doing silly things like moving in next to my tenants? For some of you guys deserve to start living it up already.

 

Nobody ever tells you that, everybody wants you to like, don’t find latte living under your means. Save. Because of that, I don’t know. I think it’s one of those things where if you had parents like mine or you probably are the same, you were rewarded by being very frugal.

 

Yeah. And I guess. At work, if you do well, you get rewarded with more work. So yeah. All messed up. Is that, huh? Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. I guess I was along the same lines as while we already went through. It’s 10% down, not five but 10, but no PMI and sturdy. So we were looking at that too.

 

That, yeah, we’ll go through that. Yeah. I don’t know all these companies there’s or there’s a bunch of these guys there for the most part, I would, they make it really easy to apply, which is nice, but I think you have to be careful that bait and switch, especially if it’s not owner occupied and you have to massage your debt to income ratios in your power profile.

 

They, these guys spend a bunch on ads and they get you guys to apply via their app. They’re typically I don’t think they have as good pricing for the most part. A lot of times this thing. Okay. I guess you’re 2021, for all the listeners. What is the average rate for the third year?

 

For now, I don’t know. I have no idea. Maybe for non-owner occupied, maybe 4% to 6%. Okay. Yeah. What I would do is if you walk into any bank and you look at the really low rights for owner occupied offices, and I think that what does that three and a half percent right now? Yeah. That’s never nobody ever gets that.

 

It’s what it seems like. So it’s that, it’s more like for, so what I’ll do is go plus a half a point because it’s not occupied the beat four and a half.

 

Do you recommend using HELOC or non-recourse asset based loans to like funds to? why not? Do you need to figure out your level of risks that you want to take part in? You want to ask me five, 10 years ago. If I felt comfortable with people getting lots of leverage on top of their leverage, using the HELOC for down payments and more properties, I would have felt uncomfortable with that personally.

 

But today I guess I’ve been desensitized to it and I’m like if you’re buying cash flowing assets, I’ll bad Kennedy. Go ahead and do it, right? Yeah. But most more, most people have just lazy equity, nothing Jack. So I’d like to get that working first, before you start to get key locks and stuff like that, going to the non-recourse asset based loan. They sound foolish and the lenders make great fees on this, which is why they always push the stuff, especially like the all-in-one loans and the portfolio loans.

 

But the Thies suck on boats and their leisurely higher rates. Do you want it? You want to exhaust your Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac volts first all the time. And this is like where the lenders are, they’re not your friend. Make no mistake. They’re not your friend. They’re always going to like it. As soon as they start to see your borrower profile become a little bit squirrely.

 

They’re going to look for the easy way out, just like we talked about like tax professionals, right? They always want to do things the easy way. So once you, once they start to say, oh, your debt to income ratio is anywhere from 60 to 45. I don’t know. I’m just making this up, but oh, Hey Maryanne, maybe you should do a non-recourse asset-based loan, a portfolio loan, think for yourself.

 

Understand the pros and cons of going down that to me, if you have a clean borrower profile and you have good debt to income ratio, Do you use the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac loans, but for some of you guys out there who have California rentals and a lot of equity that mess up your debt to income ratio, because it’s not a good purchase and a, not a good loan, then you pop, you might not fall find, you may have to go down this non-recourse asset based loan, but then again, if you have several hundred thousand dollars of equity in your California rental, you shouldn’t be investing in little rental properties.It’s probably a accredited.

 

Great. That makes sense. I don’t know. I, yeah, it depends where you are and like your profile. So yeah, some options out there but yeah. Do your own analysis. Got it. Hard money. So it says for instance, if you did use hard money, would you recommend paying off, paying it off quickly instead of refinancing because of all of these?

 

Why are you using hard money on these types of properties? Paint the scenario that you do make this with. I dunno, for. I don’t know for someone who may not qualify for a traditional, I don’t know if anyone would use hard money, but I’m not sure. Yeah. Let me give one example and then if you can think of another let me know.

 

So I would think the only reason why you’re trying to use hard money to go after a deal, if you’re buying that deal, is because you’re stressed and you need to close on it quickly, or. Maybe it is a turnkey and it’s a highly competitive environment. You’ve got to go in with a stronger offer, which I would say totally buy the damn property in the first place.

 

Everybody is heavy going off of it. You’re buying it over price period. Don’t do it. It’s not it’s not like an LP feels like, oh we’re having a $50,000 position, but because everybody. I Want it now, it’s $60,000. It doesn’t happen in the world. But that would be the only reason why you’d want to use hard money.

 

And this is we get into the realm of the people doing that BRRR strategy that buy, rent, rehab, refinance, you’re an accredited investor to me. This is just Childsplay. Just don’t waste your time doing this stuff, unless you’d like to feel like you’re making a lot of money and feel like you’re forced.

 

That’d be the only reason why you do the hard money. But that’s up to you, right? Like how do you want to run your finances? Do you want to use Ash or would you rather use a hilar or use a hard money loan and keep the cash on the side? It’s always having dry powder. It’s up to you. Is there any circumstance where you can think where you’d have to use hard money to go after a deal?

 

Oh, indeed. You want to go heavy, right? Because all the books tell you, if you go on hard money, you can get a 5% discount, which doesn’t happen. That was like 1998 or something like that. It was not really real, especially when you’re buying retail type of products like turnkeys, and I can get no discount with that.You’re already buying it overpriced. Okay. Good to know.

 

 

 

Cash reserves. So like in case of vacancies, I don’t know, like what, how would you recommend whether present teacher number, like in order to handle the loan payments? I, what kind of cash reserves we should have, like a total portfolio in case of emergencies, if we’re doing that.

 

Okay. This is totally up to your personality, too. Some people believe the Corona virus is real. Some people aren’t right. Like it, people, it’s all based on where your personal head space is at. If you want, the bank, where they’re called, smart money or just conservative to criminal we’re conservative.

 

They typically want anywhere from three to six months of principal, interest taxes and insurance. So on a little rental property where your mortgage is 500 bucks, they’re wanting what? 1500, three grand. So we can use that as a starting point. How does that sound to you? Is that, are you, would you like more, which you can, what is your personal comfort level?

 

I guess I would say that class time is six. Okay. And this is where it’s up to your personal comfort level. Like I would say in my experience what’s the worst that can happen. A tenant messes up your property and now you have to pay $20,000 to get the thing back online. There should be other places you should be able to take cash from, to pay for some very low chance of something. But high-impact things like that. What’s going to happen? 80% of the time is maybe a tenant moves out and maybe your property goes vacant for a handful of months and you might have to fix something.

 

So that might be, you gotta pay your debt service for a few months. So 1500, maybe you gotta pay to put in a thousand dollars of repairs. So two to $3,000 is you’re going to be your key in most cases. So I would tell people like, we’ll have at least. It is dry powder, but then it also has to do with your personal cash flow levels.

 

Like we just had in our mastermind group, a guy who makes eight or nets $8,000 he puts that away every month. Old Henry. And he, and I’m like dude, you’re fine. Like you can have a vacancy, every single month, several every month you’d be fine. So he needs less dry powder around.

 

And for a lot of people in our group, a lot of you guys are able to save two to three, $4,000 per month. So that should, you’re good. You can also keep some dry powder and like some IRAs, Roth IRAs or.

 

I’m not saying you should have $3,000 times six. I think that’s a little ridiculous. And then as you get more properties, right? I think your level of dollar per property goes down, because you’re reaching a more steady state. You’re more diversified, right? So it’s harder in the beginning.

 

And when your net worth is lower, which sucks. That’s what’s hard. I bought this whole wealth building thing. And at the beginning, it’s the hardest, but as your net worth grows, as you have more income, more cash flow from just your day job and you have more properties, your level of insurance goes down. And just to use an extreme example. If you had larger companies, they self-insure to a point.

 

Yeah, it’s called the trickle for me, because I use mint to track my net with. So when it drops, the cash side drops. I’m like, oh, I wish he was over here. But yeah, and this is like every situation is different. And what I would say for you, you’re more on the conservative side, but for every rental property.

 

Yeah. This is just me shooting from the hip. Don’t do exactly what I’m saying, because I just thought of it. I’m in it. But maybe knowing your personality, maybe I would get a few thousand dollars per property of cash reserves, but be able to pull a little bit from elsewhere. If you’re able to net three, $4,000 per month, you’re good right there.

 

And then the more properties you have. I would say maybe $1,500 per property. You start to work your way down that way. Yep. I agree. Probably on lending. What kind of lenders should we use to reuse those that are recommended by the provider? Or the turnkey provider or like on your preferred list, I don’t know if we need to like, try to scale to other states, if we should think about that and then yeah.

 

So the way the lending works is the lender, the lenders are a lot of the guys that we work with are licensed in multiple states, like life insurance, right? So those, the banking stuff that we do. The same guy gets licensed in multiple states. That’s all it is. That’s it. And the loans that were getting Fannie Mae Freddie Mac for the most part are federal programs.

 

It doesn’t really matter what state you’re in. So what I would say in terms of the lender, right? There’s two parts of the lender, the broker, right? The sales guy, the guys who tell you all this stuff that they can do. You’re trying to, that’s why you work with referrals, right?

 

Because these guys are not just the stupid salesman that tell you one thing, but then the underwriter in the back room tells them they can’t do it. And now you’re stuck. And then the general rule of thumb is you don’t go to a large bank because typically those people are, might be great at working with owner occupied stuff in the state that you live in.

 

But this non-owner occupied stuff is a little different to them. And I would just not interest those types of people to do it. I would look for people who do own or non owner occupied and rowboat rental property. As their primary business. Okay. Reps, I guess if someone is like 35 to become an inspector with that country threat status doodle property inspector.

 

Yeah. If you’re a real estate agent, you can inspect properties for gazillion hours a year. Play a real estate agent for a gazillion hours a year. But if you’re not actively participating in your personal portfolio, it doesn’t count. I see. And this is where I’m a little fuzzy and of course, none of this is financial advice or tax advice.

 

Go find a CPA. That’s going to sign off on this stuff first. But of course, I always tell you guys to get educated on this stuff and know the nuances. So if you can go and play a little intellectual jiu-jitsu with your CPA. So they just don’t do it the easy way until you know what. To me, if you need to have some active participation in your portfolio.

 

Now, if you’re an inspector, really how much you can’t hit 750 hours inspecting your property is not going to happen man. Okay. So no, but you need to say but how can I? Interesting. Good question. So that’s a difference between yes, you’re doing real estate activities, but has nothing to do with your portfolio or passive portfolio that you’re operating.

 

All right. Insurance question on umbrella insurance. Currently, we plan not to have a car anymore. I was wondering, if we should still get an umbrella, neither of us are in high liability kind of professions. To me umbrellas, the first thing you get well before, you get property insurance on your properties.

 

But yeah, you get the umbrella before you get any LLCs, start spending money on that type of stuff. Okay. The umbrella is the one that everybody thinks is you’re driving in your car or you hit grandma, right? Yeah. Even if you don’t have a car, I would still get it. It’s so cheap, like probably a few hundred bucks. Just get it.

 

Yeah. Because it’s supposed to cover let’s just say the insurance doesn’t cut, jump in. Supposedly the umbrella is supposed to be your next layer before you rely on all these entities. But too often entities and all these others. Exotic trusts are sold before this. Hey, it’s you’ve got this armor on, put this stuff on. It’s like just the order where you put it in. Thank you. That helps a lot. And it’s cheap just to get it right. Yeah. Operating the property. So do you think for the turnkeys  we would need to put in things like remote control thermostats or security systems and security cameras, or that depends whether it’s A, B or C type of finishing?

 

Yeah. You’re not going to put a Siri or Alexa thing in that property, class C they’ll probably just steal it or something like that. It sounds cool, but it’s just not the clientele.  My style is like, you hire good people and you rely on their expertise as consultants.

 

And these are your property managers. You know, asked what they think about it. They’re going to give you the best opinion, because they’re set in the ground. They know the clientele, they know the area. But typically not the type of long-term rentals that we’re doing. Short-term rentals probably, but that’s a totally different business.

 

I’m just saying this, but I don’t want security cameras in there. I’m probably going to get sued or something like that for invasion  of privacy or some nonsense like that. Okay. Exit strategy. If we can sell it back to the turnkey provider or should we? You could, they’ll buy it. That’s an option most times is they know that you’re an unsophisticated buyer who’s distressed. So they’re going to buy it for pennies on the dollars, just like the used car dealer. 

 

 And this is the thing, right? That the business model for a lot of these name brand turnkey companies is they’re buying a hundred thousand dollar property for 120. Now, if you come to them and you say, and enough, I don’t want this thing anymore. They’re probably going to fire for 75 and then sell it again to some sucker at 110 to 120 again. Okay. If we have a bad experience with a tenant and want to exit, do we change property managers instead of selling it?

 

That can possibly be a solution. I guess you got to figure out what the problem is, right? Is it your PM or is it just a tenant or maybe that property isn’t very good? And this is where you have to figure things out because everybody’s going to be blaming each other. So for example, the properties manager is going to say the turnkey company sucked because they didn’t fix all this stuff.

 

Or they’re going to blame the tenant, we have a horrible tenant. The tenant’s going to be blaming the property manager and that the property sucks and it’s all brokers, it’s just a constant finger-pointing game. So it’s your job. And it’s three employees that are dysfunctional. No, they couldn’t complain to you as the boss for all you guys aren’t there that are like managers of people, it’s just like the childish stuff you have to deal with.

 

Totally. You think that it’s going to be like a grownup adult and once the kid graduates and goes off to college, no one follows. But maybe there are still some problems. Like when we sell it on MLS, should we target retail or like investors bigger pockets, investors, or would you recommend for sale by owner?

 

I would sell it. If the tenant moves out then, what I would do is fix it up retail. You might spend 10 to $20,000 and then sell that thing to a local broker to sell to some retail owner, occupied buyer, hopefully thrilled with the motion to buy it and will overpay for what it really is. If you want to get rid of it.

 

What I would do is I would list it with a lot of discount brokers that will sell it with a tenant in place to a turnkey buyer. If you guys need a recommendation, you guys can shoot me an email. I can connect you with my guy who does that.

 

It’s kinda like a boat. You’re happy when you get in here, you can have here, when you hold a turnkey rental property, if you’re an accredited investor, like for those of you guys out there who are under half a million dollars net worth keep buying rentals, I always have to put it in because people cannot make that difference.

 

Understood. And would you ever recommend owner financing? Never. It’s like a unicorn. It never happens to these guys and don’t even fall for this stuff. The tenants, like when I left the property, I want to live there. Can we work out some deal, lease option, owner finance. Those are the reasons why these guys are living in class B&C rentals.

 

Their credit report is probably shot. They don’t follow through with things. This is not going to happen, guys. Just stop wasting your time and just sell it to retail or to a discount broker. It’s just like borrowing money. Lending money to you, like your brother-in-law or your sister-in-law is not going to get it back.

 

It’s just not going to happen. I think that’s right. Would you recommend selling to a family? Oh no. Heavens no. And the problem is like you might be in good faith that I’m selling the property. Like I wouldn’t, I’ve done it in the past where I sell properties to people I know.

 

And I always do. Hey, man. I’m just being honest here. Like I fix things up as they need to, but if something should break, I’m sorry. That’s just the risks you take on and so you need to have that discussion. To me. It’s not worth it. And then with the year of the house, be built into key decisions to exit strategy, not really houses.

 

It’s not like commercial assets, where there’s a definitive class A,B & C type of thing with ages when apartments in the 1970s are more like the class B minus type level or class A is getting into the 1980s, 1990s, houses there’s no age on the date for the most part.

 

The bad side of that is you can sink an infinite amount of money into a house too, in terms of repairs and upgrades, etcetera. But any other questions? Good question. Those were all I had as I went through the course, because it was so detailed and I guess answered most of my questions already. So thanks Lane.  We’ll throw this into the remote investor eCourse for folks. Thanks, Marianne.