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Taking Profit First w/ Mike Michalowicz

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Super excited to be having Mike McCalla, widths author of the very popular book profit first now Mike came over to a mastermind that I’m a part of and gave a keynote. And I’ve heard about the whole profit first system, which. Do you guys know Google ed? There’s a chart online where it spells it out. Pretty simply. We don’t really need to read the whole book, but, I think it’s good to hear about it.

Different ways, listen to this lewd show. So what does it inspire? What does the action plan that I did? You’re supposed to pay yourself for said kinda split things out now. Not as super childish as an envelope system. But a virtual envelope system, right?

So you have your checking account maybe is your owner’s pay. Or I had been using my infinite banking account as another sort of virtual envelope. And also my spouse’s account as another envelope to take things off the table, take profit first, at least that’s how I’ve been using it. If you haven’t heard of the infinite banking, check out the infoPage@simplepassivecasual.com slash banking.

And also while you’re at it, learn how we use these short-term liquidity sources as our opportunity fund. You can learn more about that concept@simplepassivecashflow.com slash Oh fun. But enjoy the show

hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. Today. We have a real life author. Who’ve actually sold more books than a hundred, like some of those other podcasts.

That’s the best intro Everlane. That’s it we’re done. I’m so to social proof right there. But, Mike and I met a few months ago in San Diego. He came and gave the keynote speech at our mastermind. He wrote the profit first book, clockwork search, the pumpkin plan. That was a popular one.

And he’s also looking to release his next book, fix this next. He, by the age of 35 founded and sold two companies w one to private equity and another to a fortune 500 today is working on his third multimillion dollar venture profit first professionals. And he’s a former small business columnist at the wall street journal for more business make-over specialists on MSNBC.

And he is here to help give some insight more for the passive investor today. But thanks for coming on, Mike. Really appreciate it. Yeah. Happy. We were able to pull this off. Thanks for coordinating this lane. Yeah. Yeah. Once you go over your story and kind of you were working in corporate and I think a lot of

the investors and listeners here are in that cubicle. Maybe they’re middle management, maybe they’re upper middle management. Maybe tell us a little bit where the inspiration for like the suite of, pretty awesome books came from. Thank you. Yeah, I did corporate for one year, my adult life, and it was difficult.

So the quick story is I’ve been an entrepreneur for the entirety of my life. When I graduated college, I tried to get the corporate job and couldn’t start a business in the tech space. Through raw effort, a lot of ignorance, but I was able to sell it to private equity. I then was in computer crime investigation, had that company.

It was a fast run, sold it to a fortune 500. I was acquired by Robert half international, if you’re familiar with them. And that’s the corporation I worked for one year after being acquired, it was for me, murderous figuratively speaking, I just had never experienced bureaucracy. Like that or gamesmanship or whatever it wasn’t about getting results.

It was much more about the politics and I couldn’t handle it nor could they handle me. Like it was oil and water. So I left that I was escorted out in fact gratefully and started my next business where I was an angel investor. And I was just horrible at it. I started a business that had no right to be in.

I thought, cause I knew entrepreneurship so well. I two exits I had proof. I knew the process and I sucked at, I collapsed. I lost all my wealth. It was Financial travesty and, ultimately triggered depression and struggle and but a restart. So I’m actually most grateful for that period of my life because I felt called to figure out.

How to make entrepreneurship simpler for me and for our fellow entrepreneurs, how to really master the journey. And I decided it was 12 years ago, decided to become an author. And I started writing books to solve my own challenges. I started new businesses that I own today that made them the Guinea pigs and platform profit.

First professionals is one. I own four companies now. And have those businesses operate and use these principles while I teach the systems. And that’s who I am today. I’m an author. I love entrepreneurship. I love micro business and small business. I am convinced it is the backbone of our planet and these businesses, our businesses need to be successful.

So I hope my books are support in that journey. Yeah. Let’s talk about profit first, because that was my first introduction to your content. And I’m going to share this little image. I took your ideas and I, hopefully I didn’t bastardize it too much. This is good. This is an engineers interpretation.

Of your ideas. So for those of you guys don’t know, you can correct me if I’m wrong, Mike, see, this a game of telephone worked that profit first is this idea of, obviously paying yourself first. And I think a lot of us are like, all right, done. I can go home and back to my nap, but it’s a little bit of based on how much you make and for a lot of us that working the day job, that may just mean how much income you bring in.

Yeah. So based on which category you’re in, you can split off how much profit you want to take off the top, which you should spend because after all, that’s what makes us happy. And then how much we need to pay ourselves as owners. And then how much we did to save for tax and operating expenses. Yeah.

That’s exactly it. Yeah, that’s called the taps chart or target allocation percentages. What we did is my business. We studied about thousand other companies, but they were the fiscally elite. The leaders in their industry and it was everything from like a pizza shop. What’s the best pizza shop financially in the world achieve numbers to real estate, to professional services and everything in between.

And we found that these are what. On average, the fiscally strongest companies are industry agnostic. One thing is interesting about that chart. You’ll notice that column B, C and D. If you look the profit or increasing profits from five to 10% to 15, and then in column D it drops back down to 10, 15%.

What’s interesting is that there’s a sweet spot. We found for businesses once a business surpasses a million dollars in revenue. There’s a fundamental shift where the business owner is extracting themselves from the business. Actively and is investing more in the growth of business, through automation, efficiencies and so forth.

So we see a dip percentage-wise in profit and also the owner’s compensation continues to drop. But then these businesses, once they surpass the $5 million Mark, we see the profitability start increasing dramatically. And the owner, you can see the owner’s pay continues to drop because they’re extract themselves from the business in the process and the.

Reward they get is ultimately in the distributions of the business, but they’re not working in the business anymore. Yeah. But 5% of 5 million is way more than 50% of Texas. Exactly. It’s way more. I’m an entrepreneur and what I did here was my goal for my little coaching and education group.

Right now, I’m in that stage, B C that you said I’ve got normally when at any business you bootstrap it from the beginning, right? You do everything yourself. I’m still editing podcasts and stuff like that. We’re recording my own video, editing the video, uploading the video, taking it, all this silly stuff.

But as you said you take after you hit a certain level of scale, you need to slow down to speed up. In a way, when we started a business, when you’re in the a stage, if you will, the only way to run the business, if you’re the sole partner, is you doing all the work?

And if you start with another partner, you’re splitting the work amongst each other, but is not just. Contingent upon the owner is fully dependent on the owner’s effort, but very quickly as we get to stage B C and in really in column D that’s where our behaviors and owner needs a change. So in the beginning you must support the business.

There is no other resource. Quickly on, especially by column D we need to change our behavior and not do the work anymore, but really become delegators at work to specifying and having clarity on the outcomes we want for our business, but have other people at the resources, do the work. And that’s a tough transition for many people.

Many people will, since you start a business and launch it off your sweat, the common belief is I got to keep sweating. I got to do more work myself, and we get in this trap of thinking that the growth of the business. It’s fully contingent upon our effort and working harder. We’ll get more results. But of course there’s a cap on that and we hit it and then we get stuck.

What do I do? Cause I do everything. I’m the hero for this business. No one can do it. I can do. And that’s the problem. We need to start transitioning our mindset from doing the work, to designing the outcomes, to saying I have to create a business structure that is healthy and strong and delivers the outcomes that I expect.

But without any of my effort, it’s where we stop asking me, how am I going to do this work? And asking, who’s going to do this work. So that’s that transition? Another big takeaway I had. And if you didn’t come speak on stage, I would have never got this highlighted there in red, the operating expenses for the category that I thought that I was in and I realize I put in there 28%.

I don’t know why I did that, but I was like, okay, I’m almost spending nothing. I’m doing everything. I’m not spending anything on operating expenses. And to me, that kind of was like a big wake up. Hey dude, you got to spend money on this. I got to hire people to help me

it’s a rare circumstance. Most businesses that I walked through this are spending more than they should. It’s rare, but does happen that people are spending less than they should. And they’re like, my business is nailing it. I’m not spending any money, but then they realize perhaps you did in your case is I’m not investing.

Forward. So if you’re in column a or B, for example businesses at that stage sometimes can run solely off the owner and we can have a tremendous amount of personal income coming in, with very low operating expenses because we’re doing the work. And so there is no operating expense, but that becomes a trap in itself in that you have to do the work.

So now. The only resource us is the exhaustible resource. And the day we decide to take off are one, a little break. The business starts slowing down. So this pathway from a to F was designed on the analysis of businesses that grow with the intention of investing in having other people, other resources, technology, doing the work, some business, if you’re like in a.

Uber driver or you’re in the gig economy and stuff. Let’s see. We can cut the expenses even more. If you just want to be the one person ever only doing the work profit first, the percentages as I show them here, may not be optimized for you and you can ramp up the profit and ramp up your compensation, but realize the trade-off is you won’t be putting any money flowing into the business to scale beyond yourself.

Yeah. This business I’m working on is like a mastermind and private group coaching business. And initially when I was in step a here. I was just doing conference calls every week, zero costs other than those three week subscription. But then, like after you came and talked I started to implement, trying to spend some money, different reports, different other subscriptions that add value and I’m really having trouble spending money on the group.

So I keep asking them what do you guys need? I’m willing to spend some money here, even hired another membership coordinator. That was the way I took your word and put into play. Yeah. No, well done. I’m just looking through your chart right now. It’s a pretty good interpretation.

I give you an a plus. Thanks. Yeah. My parents never gave me any good compliments. So I really appreciate that. This is super good. And the interesting thing about profit first is, and you do the exact right thing. Lane is. It is a, framework, but it is not a manual, a definitive manual. Each business can customize the process to cater to their unique works or unique needs around the framework.

That’s why I see what you did here. Nice, sweet, nicely done. Let’s switch over from, most of the people listening there are entrepreneurs and, one of the topics that came up at my recent Hawaii mastermind is look, maybe the, our highest and best use is just going back to our day job.

So speaking for those. Those W2 guys that are just stuck there and, it’s probably not the worst place to be. I started to think, how can I apply this to a lot of, my avatar, that is my passive investor. And one way I realize is like a lot of these guys, most of the times it’s like the dude, right?

The dude there’s so many dudes in my like mastermind. There’s like maybe 20% are like the wives and they take the reins financially. But, regardless, like there’s always one person in the relationship that is a little bit more gung ho about the financial stuff and the other one takes the back seat reluctantly, most times.

So what I thought was like, instead of taking this profit. Like the profit is essentially put it in your spouses of spending bucket and have them to see some of the gains. Any thoughts on how does a, somebody who’s not an entrepreneur doesn’t really have any op ex. How did they apply this to their normal life?

Yeah. If you’re not an entrepreneur yeah. So this can play into your personal finances or your personal endeavors. But let me tell you the intentions of each account. So the profit is in a business sense as a celebratory account, meaning. That is a reward for doing something that very little of the population does do, which is start a business only about 7% of the world population will ever start a business.

So that you’re called a shareholder. And so profit is a reward for making this investment and owner’s pay is the pay for the operations of the business, as well as the key employee. So many it’s called an owner operator. Many business owners also operate the business. So that’s your pay if you had to replace you and taxes are reserved for your tax liabilities and op ex is the ongoing concern of the business.

In our personal lives, in the book profit first, there’s a whole section called profit first life. And we talk about this. It does translate to, because a family income, a family of one, two, I have three children, family of five is like a small business. In fact, most small businesses don’t have more than two employees.

So most families are bigger than most small businesses. And. We treated the same way. There’s an income source. Maybe it’s your salary. And maybe there’s contributors to that. So you have multiple income source or revenue streams rights. There’s multiple contributors. It goes into this main bucket and then we divide the money up also, and the labeling may be different, but the concept’s the same.

You may have a retirement account, which is your profit, which is, future savings. You may have your lifestyle account. To support your life. My wife and I actually, we have a debit account. She has one and I have one. So we have our allowance or with the primary working. And when my debit card, I can’t run the debit cards cause I have depleted my account, but she can still use hers.

And so that’s how that works. Then there’s tax reserves and so forth. This is the. Old world. Our envelope system is just a modernized flavor of it. We do this at our bank. So every time you log into your bank account, you don’t have to read income statements. You don’t have to read your bank statements, bounce.

She’s got the Rihanna stuff. Use lie in your bank account, and you see where money is allocated with what intended use before you spend it. Yeah, we had Benjamin Hardy on the podcast here recently and, he wrote the book, willpower doesn’t work and he’s totally true. Like we suck at controlling it solves we do.

So w I love that. So willpower. Is like a muscle it fatigues, right? So we can be very staunch about something. I’m not going to touch this money. I was going to sit here, I’m say for my future. And then we’re like like a muscle, it starts fatiguing and you put a little weight on it’s males borrow from this account and then we start unwinding the whole system and we’re done.

So with profit first, we, same thing as willpower. We don’t try to use willpower because it’s a weak muscle. What we do is with profit. For example, in these reserves, we actually will transfer money out of your main bank account. Hide it away from you. You intentionally hide it from yourself in another bank, so you can’t access it.

So you can’t see it and you have to make, do with what you have. When we can’t see something, we don’t worry about that thing. So don’t use willpower, use your habits, to your benefit, block and tackle for yourself in advance, by moving in, hiding money from yourself so that you won’t play a game with yourself.

And then, how I implemented that as I, over the last six months, I’ve been opening up new bank accounts, not just making sub-accounts in the bank account, but brand new bank accounts. In my name and wife’s name and signing the profit and owner’s pay. And she’s what the heck are you doing?

What is all this stuff trying to explain? Hey you for the five, 10% of profit, I’m like, I don’t know. It’s going to take some time. Yeah. Know, it will take time. And it confuses some people, they see it. They’re like, what the heck is this? And they don’t get it. So that skepticism and it’s normal.

You know what I encourage people to do? I set the system up for myself 12 years ago. I didn’t even believe it would work. I was, it was desperate times for me. I’d wipe myself out financially. I needed to do something. And it took me a few iterations. I was like, Holy cow, this is working for me. And it’s been life-changing for me, the system.

And So I expect skepticism. And why invite people is let’s just try on a small basis. Let’s just have one account, a profit account or something. Let’s just transfer a small amount of money in there. Every time money comes in, we’ll put small percentage, meaning just one or 2%, and we’re going to hide that money from ourselves.

Then the rest of our lives will run the normal way. After two or three months, let’s see how much our normal life has resulted in savings. And let’s look at how much this little profit account has. And inevitably the profit account is more consistent accumulate more money. And more effective. And then when they start ramping it up, it’s, we’ve got to buyers way into this channels, our existing habits logging into a bank account, seeing the balances to our advantage.

And then once we start seeing the advantage, that’s when we start winning our favor into it. And then we start rolling out the whole system. So one thing I do with like I said, with the profit, that just goes into the spouse’s account. That’s gone off the face of the earth. Lucky for me, they don’t spend it that much.

The second the owners pay is like I use if in a banking, I’ll throw that into my life insurance as an overfunded payment and then it’s gone. And then everything else I’ll keep it. My plethora of bank accounts. I love it. The bank may get frustrated, so as we set up profit first, we have over 300,000.

We think it’s 350,000 businesses now, but over 300,000 businesses have implemented it. The feedback we regularly hear is the bank is like, what the hell are you doing? Why Sam all accounts and there’s confusion over it. Realize you get a bank is a vendor. You can negotiate them and say, listen, if you’re gonna charge me fees, I ain’t going to bank here.

So I want to set these accounts. Don’t charge me fees, just like any other vendor. They have flexibility and can, if they want your business address that, then we start transferring money in and what the banks notice. And what you’ll notice is now you’re accumulating more money because you know what the money intended uses.

So we don’t spend flippantly or frivolously. And the banks, we got banks calling us saying, we want your client to improv. At first they store more money with us. They’re more active with our bank. So if these accounts don’t let the preconceived notions of banks or an account, and our bookkeeper who does not understand the process, dissuade you from it, we’ve 300,000 plus businesses at serving.

It will serve you. I’m convinced of it. You’ve got to try it out and get past that initial. Negative rhetoric. You may hear from, to some people that just aren’t familiar with this process, right? And for a lot of you guys who have reluctant spouses I did write an article for you guys@simplepassivecashflow.com slash spouse.

This is on the list of tips, right? Create a profit first account for them to just see the rewards, as opposed to them just thinking you’re just socking away, investment money, given away, checks here and there for investments, they don’t see any of the cashflow with. It goes, hand-in-hand like, every time we close a deal, I tell you guys like, go and celebrate, go for a nice dinner or something, make it a milestone that you can not you don’t care, but your family and your spouse can point back to yeah, listen with profits.

So I’ve been distributing, when we take a corporate profit. Our entire family shares in it. And my wife and I own the business, but my wife and I, we share the profit from the business that you’ll start family, the majority of it, but the kids get to, and now there’s an excitement as we’re recording this, it’s a quarter ends in just five more days and there’s a profit distribution coming out already.

My kids were like, Hey, how is the business doing? Because I consider them investors. They don’t invest money. They make sacrifice. And so there’s an excitement around it. When you engage your family, what are some things, you don’t give them money or, what are you celebrate?

Or like a company retreat or what are some things? Yeah, no, I actually do give them money, but we will celebrate collectively in some way. But They actually get a portion of money and not nothing substantial. Like I don’t want them to think that there’s free money being handed out, but I do want them to appreciate what the business is doing and how it’s impacting them and the family as a whole.

So that’s why we’re sharing some of it, but we do some activities and when I first did, I remember the first distribution 12 years ago, it was $8. I just started system. It was $8 that came out, but it was the best eight hours of my life. I went right to Starbucks and said, give me a nice cup of coffee.

And I enjoyed that. And for the first time I didn’t have to use a credit card or debit card or borrow money or make an expense. It was just, the business was rewarding me. I was like, Holy cow, it’s amazing. And it’s grown to, A lot of money. And so we’ve gone, we rented a castle out in Ireland and spend time out there and, we’re doing these activities that are dream activities for us all from the business.

And it’s taken them a while to get there, but it’s just a celebration every single time. I think that character trait is. Very common amongst my group. This past few months in the Hawaii mastermind, nobody stayed in four or five star will tell they all stayed in the two or three star value.

Hotels. I love it. Yeah. It can get weird, right? Like they don’t want to spend money cause they’re always going by that attitude of saving. So there’s gotta be a balance and right. You’re saving, but you can get to the point of being a miser and you have to define your definition of it.

But when I travel for business, it’s all about the profitability. I stay at The motel AIDS. I remember going to a conference. It was this ritzy hotel in Scottsdale, Arizona. And after the event Isaac, my presentation people’s event Hey, you want to hang out? What hotel room are you?

What room are you at? Oh, I’m down the road at motel eight. And they’re like, wow, you’re not paying $500 a night. I’m like, no, I’m paying like 80 bucks a night. And they’re like why I’m like, cause the profitability and I, we actually share profit with my employees. Now we’re small. We have 12 employees here but my employee, Lisa is the Booker for my scheduling, my travel, she books, hotels.

And she knows if I’m staying in a motel eight, we’re all sharing a little bit more profit. So when it comes to the lifestyle, my business it’s healthy, but it’s frugal. And then when the profit comes out as a bonus distribution, you know that’s my opportunity to splurge a little bit, as I define it.

And that’s when we live a little high in the hog, but then we go back to appropriate lifestyle for the business to be healthy and sustain. Yeah. Yeah. Hey man, I did the same thing. I think we met at the Torrey Pines in San Diego. I don’t stay there. I was not saying that I was not staying there.

Yeah. I stay in the Airbnb. That’s a hundred something bucks. I stayed at the motel eight. So you stayed at a ritzy place compared to yeah, there was no I don’t remember the event. I walked into the lobby and there was vomit on the floor and I. Someone was just drunk and puke. I took a picture of it.

I said to Lisa, I said, I think this is the last motel eight. We got to go beyond the puke level. Yeah. Go at least holiday and or fed. Exactly. Exactly. Live a little bit better. So let’s switch over to the pumpkin plan. Now I didn’t read the book, people have been telling me about some of the ideas of it.

Cause this is one of the first ones you wrote. Yeah, you give a little bit background for people, for the passive investors out there. What’s the pull from this one, there’s the short and thick of it is that it’s the application of the parade of principle or the 80 20 rule that 20% of your opportunities are going to yield 80% of the benefit.

So how do you determine that? And I made into a multi-step process. It was actually formulated after the process of growing colossal pumpkins. I found that. The vast majority of pumpkin farmers, no shock here, ordinary pumpkins for Halloween and the fall holidays, but there’s a small faction grow class of pumpkins and they changed the process just a little bit, but the pumpkin responds with organic explosive growth.

So in the book I document. Their process loosely, but translate to the exact steps businesses need to make. Who are those colossal potential seeds you have around your organization? How do you water and feed those things have colossal growth. There’s usually a few things in your business, matching your, there.

It is matching your best clients to your true uniqueness in your environment and systematizing it that becomes this seedling. To fuel the super fast growth. So the way I look at that, another idea, it was like when I had 11 rentals, I would look at maybe 20% of them that sucked the boss and try and look to sell it or unloaded.

That’s the other side of it. So it’s. Yeah. And I talk about that. I call that the rotten pumpkins, there’s certain ones that are distracting and there’s actually certain clientele that They’re so difficult. They don’t pay well. They threaten I’m gonna slam you on Yelp.

You’ll never get another client again. They damage your property. Those clients are actually costing us to keep them we needed and there’s rules of course ramp, but you need to jettison them as quickly as possible. So you can matriculate or serve your best clients. So I think when I kind of work with investors and a lot of you guys, there’s probably about a dozen pass free coaching calls.

I’ve given people in exchange for having their lives on the internet on YouTube. But like most times I look at people’s portfolios. It’s not really about getting into that next deal at 15, 18% IRR it’s they’ve got most of their portfolio doing absolutely nothing, either debt equity, or. California rental, that’s making $2,000 a month.

That’s over 600 grand. Like it’s amazing, like most cases, even with, investors that are listening to podcasts, pretty good network that this is the case and yeah, that’s the pumpkin plan needs to be put in place.

Mike let’s let’s pitch people on the new book, the new idea that’s coming out. Let’s talk about that one a little. Thank you. So the new book is called fix this next and what the thesis as I determined that the biggest challenge entrepreneurs face. Is knowing what their biggest challenge is.

So the vast majority of business owners are to scrambling, to put out whatever fire presents itself. And it’s a constant rush to all the apparent issues that present themselves. But they don’t know, what this, there it is. They don’t know what the specific challenges that they have. And what. This does what fixes sex does is a tool like a compass to very quickly pinpoint the specific need your business.

Has I call it the vital need and with every business at any given moment, there is a vital need. The question is what is it? So this is a. Design around a hierarchy of needs. It’s a compass. If you will, to very quickly through a series of simple questions, pinpoint what to work on next. And when you concentrate your effort on that and resolve it, then you go through this process.

Can you find the next fix? You start deliberately stepping forward. One step after the other and March forward, most businesses are scrambling and they never get unstuck because they keep on circling around and around. Now with fix this next. We know what to work on next and move our business forward.

It’s particularly applicable now, by the way, with this, with a macro crisis going on, there is a impact what’s called micro crisis on small business macro crisis facilitates more micro crisis. So how do we navigate the individual crisis isn’t challenges our businesses are facing in this moment.

Well said. I’m not big on the shelf help guys who read a whole bunch of books and never do anything I’m big on. I hope I’ve never heard that actually. That’s funny. Yeah. Actionable advice. And like Mike’s books have really helped me out in terms of, here’s another example like on our 3000 units on the operational side of our house, we’ve implemented the profit first.

Awesome. Hold them to put away invested distributions in a little side account for us. They’re a little annoyed by that, of course, but Hey, we’re the boss, your business is your business because we have just we pay taxes, we have to pay investors. Like Mike’s books have really helped me out and giving me actionable things that change my business.

And if you’re one of those guys who reads a whole bunch of books and not really any habit change, I think you guys need to do that. We have the book club. Now we read a book every other month. You guys can get access to that lean and simple passive cashflow, or go and sign up@simplepassivecashflow.com slash lane hack.

And we’ll probably. We’ll do a mic book here. Have you the self exists next? I hope you, I think it will serve you. I really put my life’s effort into this and I think that it will be a great impact, so I hope you guys enjoy it. Yeah. Anything else? Parting words, Mike, for the passive investor stuck in the day job, any.

Yeah, you’re the irony is your clients want you, so I know taking the leap to out of a day job into doing this full time. Maybe it’s not appropriate for you, but it is a necessary side hustle clients. It need great offerings. And I suspect if you’re doing this and you’re listing stuff like this, that you’re committed to being of great service.

So market aggressively make sure clients are aware of you because if they don’t find you, they’re going to find the alternative. And I suspect the alternative is not better than what you have to offer. Yeah. Said. All right. Thanks Mike. Really appreciate it. Thanks brother. Pleasure talking with you lane.

Asset Protection for the Accredited Investor w/ Brian Bradley

https://youtu.be/qBmh2TFVWnw

What’s up investors on this week, we are going to be talking to a lawyer

Diving into some other legal strategies to protect your wealth that you probably don’t hear that often. We’re going to be going over the LLC, and why that may not be the best means to protect your wealth, especially if you’re a higher net worth little update on what I’ve been up to.

It’s been a really crazy week. Two closings. We had close on a class ADL in Dallas and another class B deal in Houston. Glad to get those knocked out, always a little stressful to close , go to loan committee, get it all wrapped up.

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Okay, simple passive cashflow listeners. Today. We are going to talk to Brian Bradley here about some of the misnomers I’ve been hearing about, legal protection. Again, starting out with the Cabot. I am not a lawyer. So I brought a lawyer here to talk about this stuff, but nice to have finally have you on again, Brian.

Yeah, thanks lane for having me back on and it’s going to be a fun topic and I gotta let everybody know I’m not your legal guru, like I’m really good at what I do, we’re just going to talk about this, in generality and I’m definitely going to blow up a lot of the status quo and misconceptions, especially around LLCs.

Like our last episode, we had a cool slide presentation, but this is going to be a different. Topic today. Yeah, Brian’s has been doing some stuff for my high-end clients and the family office, Ohana mastermind. So if you guys are interested in doing that, check out the sales page, it’s simple, passive casual.com/journey.

If not continue to devour the free podcast land and hear the same stuff over and over again on all podcasts. But I think we’re going to blow it out of the water, the sobriety of like I think the first question just to kick things off is. Everybody thinks that they’re super protected with an LLC, right?

Wyoming, Nevada tell us like the dark side of these LLC. Are they truly Bulletproof? No, there’s there. There’s nothing that’s truly Bulletproof, especially if it’s purely domestic like whatever you create. Eventually, if you get to a high net worth, like you have over a million of unprotected, net worth of assets, you should start adding some sort of offshore component to it.

Because we have what’s called the U S constitution full faith and credit clause. So it’s always been to limit. Anything purely domestic, LLCs. I’m not gonna, like coopoo all over them. They’re I use them, they’re a foundational level. But there’s a lot of things that aren’t just being spoken about them.

And a lot of people being misled, I think, either intentionally or not. Or just from lack of knowledge on what happens in court, like in these things called jurisdiction and legal nexuses availing yourself of state rights and that’s where this needs to get sorted out.

And and I’m going to pick on California a lot here because it’s the most, a lot of people live in California. There’s a lot of money in California. And you have a lot of California investors investing all over the state. So I think it’s a great example of a state to use. And so I want to start.

With, like I think the big misconception is with charging orders and what a charging order is just trying to limit the member of an LLC legal responsibility to paying a judgment. They’re trying to keep it within just the LLC a court order just within the LLC. And so you hear these States and there’s a lot of fusion over word.

You go, do you go to Delaware, Wyoming, Texas. And at the end of the day, it really just comes down to, what are you holding? So let’s just stick with the example of the state I’m talking about. Let’s say it’s California real estate, and you own some California real estate. You’re a California resident.

And you went and set up a Wyoming LLC because you read it on the internet or your CPA told you to go ahead and do that. What you did is just convert your Wyoming, LLC to a California LLC, because you’re doing business in the state of California. And not only are you going to pay the franchise tax, but if you ever have a liability issue in California the judge in California is going to apply what law, like California law, not Wyoming law, because you’re a resident there, the properties there the lawsuits coming through there.

A California judge, doesn’t give a hoot that you have a Wyoming LLC. There’s no legal nexus there. That Wyoming, LLC just did a fancy thing called legally availed itself with the protection of laws of California. And like I said, that’s the state, the assets in that’s the state that injury or damage occurred in.

And this can go for any state, if you had an asset in Ohio and you put it in an, a Wyoming, LLC is the same principles that apply. And so I want to harp on this just a minute longer because I do get a ton of calls on this and clients just confused as heck on what they shouldn’t stuff into, a Wyoming LLC.

And it’s because just by simply owning an out of state, LLC, you have to register that LLC is doing business in the other state, like you have to register it in California and pay the franchise tax. And this is just basic case law. And once you do that and you, again, avail yourself of the privileges and laws of that state and given that state jurisdiction there’s a great case.

Indian palms country club association versus anchor bank in 2015. And it lays out all the multiple standards, like the legal standards that you’d have to meet to successfully beat a piercing, the corporate veil argument. And so for sticking with California now that LLC is registered and paying the franchise tax in California, you just gave California jurisdiction over the LLC, plain and simple.

And you’re a resident of that state. There’s another caveat against you. And then you have a California asset in an out-of-state Wyoming, LLC, or Delaware, LLC in Nevada, LLC, with no connection to Wyoming whatsoever. You just did this fancy word. I told you about a village yourself. Of the laws of California.

And so you just transferred that Wyoming LLC to a California LLC by was called a direct, substantial and systemic contact with California. Yeah, something I see common, cause I always say the tail end of this, especially when my clients work with me and they’re, what happens most of the time is like the lawyers just going down their check sheet and their sales form and ask the client like, Hey, do you want to be anonymous?

And then the clients obviously Oh yeah, I would like to be on office. Alright, sign you up for this thousand dollar Wyoming, LLC, which is also a pain in the butt to upkeep in the future. That’s a classic case. And I tell my guys like, all right like how you’re saying, it’s not truly anonymous.

But like anybody who’s going to get sued, they’re going to Pierce right through that. We’re just going to make things a little bit harder, right? This day and age nothing’s ominous. Correct. And that was going to be my next blow up of this whole thing of an amenity.

And so it’s a big concept, a big misconception. And I think that people just think that you can create this, anonymous Wyoming, LLC. It sounds so cool. Like I can just disappear and ghost to lawsuit, and I’m like the legal system doesn’t work that way. Like one, if you’re creating these LLCs.

You have to also pay for a registered service person, like service of agent and that costs money. Their sole job is to say, Hey, congratulations, your LLC just got sued. You’re served, go find a lawyer, defend yourself. And then the simple reality is that once a lawsuit’s filed and starts and you’ve been served because you’re not going to avoid the legal service.

The legal process starts, and this is thing called legal discovery. And then you’re going to end up going into court. And the judge is going to say, Hey, like you’re getting sued for, $1 million or whatever the law and the number is like, here’s an asset declaration list all of your assets to make sure that , there’s something that can be collected on.

And at that point you can do one of two things. You list your assets or you lie and commit perjury and say you don’t own them. Or the LLC doesn’t own any. And then that’s called perjury. You go to jail. You get sanctioned, your lawyers get sanctioned and a lot of bad things happen to you. So there’s no such thing as an amenity.

Once a lawsuit starts and amenity works in the sense of, I own an LLC, I want some privacy to where someone can’t just look up my house residents and go egg my house and harass me because they don’t like me. And if they’re resourceful enough, they can find all that stuff. I have access to that stuff.

I just use, a scraping program and a skip tracing program and I can find. Where you used to live with your cousin’s name is where they live, what their number is. What’s your dad’s name? It’s like it’s. No, exactly. So I think that a lot of these burns are just preying on the naivete of a lot of people and the idea of Oh, wow.

So you’re telling me, I can just become a ghost by creating this, anonymous LLC. And no one will ever be able to find me. And if I did get sued, I never have to respond and show up. Sorry, like you’re going to have a default judgment entered against you and you wouldn’t even be there to know.

And then you’re going to end up having to pay the maximum out because you didn’t even try to defend it. Yeah. Along the lines of this anonymity thing. Is more from a tax perspective. Again, Brian’s the lawyer on hand here, but just speaking for taxes, this is corporate transparency act that got enacted in January, 2021.

So now, I guess what they were trying to block was people were just making all these random LLCs and none of it kind of points to them personally. And they were possibly hiding a bunch of nefarious action, or maybe just hiding, disproportionate amounts of income and expenses likely it was happening as most good business operators try to do to some extent.

But now on a lot of K ones, we have to put social security numbers on there. Even if you have LLC. So a lot of investors have gotten upset with us and it’s Hey man, it’s not our fault. We’re just following the corporate transparency act. So even now the IRS is like blowing this way.

There’s nothing that’s transparent. There’s really nothing. And that’s where real act like asset protection for it to work. You want it, you do not want to be not paying your taxes. You’re going to have to pay your taxes. Otherwise that’s tax fraud. And the system blows up or you don’t want to be committing fraud, were fraudulent transactions and things like, so whenever you you’re creating an asset protection plan.

It has to be taxed neutral. And this whole idea of anonymity and hiding, if you excite assets, that’s bad, like IRS is going to come down on you. Like the, the judge is going to come down on you. So fraudulent transfers after a lawsuit. That’s why you have to be proactive when you create these in Korean, before issues, before problems, these are all the things that you need to think about.

Get your system set up as a business structure early, and then let it grow with you. But like you said, like even the IRS is cracking down on asset disclosures. So I’ll just have a system that’s just strong where you don’t have to hide. And of course, maybe it goes without saying, people listening, if you guys are doing any nefarious action you guys should go to jail.

And we’re talking to people running good businesses and doing things the right way. But yeah, so if the LLC is not the way to do it, LLC, so owner, so now we’re going to get into some strategies here where you don’t own it. You perhaps control it. Like the big sane is the Rockerfeller’s right?

Own nothing. Control, everything. Correct. Rich people don’t own assets. They just get the use and benefit and enjoyment of them, their LLCs on them, their management companies do their trusts do. And then it’s just how you properly construct them, layer them and use them. That gives you the benefits of it.

And for example, if you’re owning real estate, like I would say, like everyone should go jump back on that last episode we did for the really good long presentation, but your real estate, you put into LLCs. And that’s going to operate as a holding company. Your LLCs should then be owned, not by you as the member, but by a management company.

As the member of that LLC. And then that management company should be a limited partnership so that you can then split ownership and you would be the managing member of the limited partnership. And then that management company would then be owned by a very strong asset protection trust when the timing is right and asset protection trusts come in a lot of different flavors like everything else.

So it’s just a matter of picking the right tool that fits the right client profile at the time. And what’s, Brian’s kind of alluded to, I think we did a previous presentation, but I think we did that just with our private foam group, Brian. But if folks listening here are interested in an, of course it needs to be an accredited investor and a part of our investor group, but just shoot me an email laying at school, past cashflow like that.

You guys take a sneak peek of that, but, But, yeah so there’s different, layers to this, right? Based on how much net worth you have, how much liability may be going into some of the layers. Yeah, correct. And so like the entry level, like we’re talking about, like when we were, dogging, LLCs, that’s the foundational level.

That’s where your start. That’s not where you think you’re, silver bullet vampire, wearable Slayer is going to be like, that’s the base layer. I own an asset. The very first thing you should also do is budget to put that asset into something because there’s risk with it. So that goes into an LLC in the state where the assets at, because that’s where the lawsuit is going to be coming from.

You’ll hear some people talk about series LLCs, and I know we were talking about it off air. Like you can give your own thoughts on that, but mine is, I use them, but I only use them for clients where they won live in a state that has series LLC statutes. And the asset is also in the state that has series LLC statutes.

Otherwise, if you’re in California and they don’t recognize a series of LLC, you’ll get no protection from it, but you’ll be paying extra franchise tax on each sub series. But to get back to the point is if you’re just starting out your green horn and investing, you start out with an LLC and insurance, let’s say you start growing, you have four or five more units.

Your net worth is probably around 500,000. No five, 500,000. And, depending on your professional risk, that’s where you add a management company to own those LLCs and all your of those. LLCs will full directly through to the management company. So it’s just one tax filing. You’ll be doing your business.

Out of that management company, you’d be managing that layer. And then the, and that management company is just an LLC. It would be a limited partnership, actually limited partnership. Why would it not be an LLC? The big difference between an LLC and the limited partnership is that a limited partnership has dual classifications of ownership.

Think of it as like a split personality. So you have a general partner and limited partner, the general part portion of it. Is it going to be the what’s going to be owning all of your assets? Like all of your LLCs, your passive syndication shares whatever it is that you own, whatever’s risky, whatever we need to protect around that would be, like owning those.

You wouldn’t be managing that general partnership share. The limited portion side of the limited partnership is what actually owns that management company that would be a trust like an asset protection trust, or a bridge trust, or a quantum living trust. And you can’t get that layer and split personality of ownership with an LLC.

It only comes through the limited partnership. So that’s

very clever. Yeah. And so that’s what legally separates you from management from ownership, because you actually can split it with the limited partnership. So if you think of it in terms like a syndication deal, there’s general partnership side, there’s some it partnerships, which is why a lot of past investors like to invest in the LP side because they’re not managing members are very low non liability.

But in this case, you’re running your own syndication or deal in a way where you’re both. But you have the LP portion, which is the actual valuable part of it as the LP side. Of understanding. Yeah. So the ownership side. So if you think of it as like a syndication, all of your deals would be owned by the GP site and then the LP.

Is what is the ownership, the controlling portion of the whole management company. And that would be your trust, like a, a bridge trust or an asset protection trust. And then you would just be the beneficiary and the creator of that trust. And so you’re just a managing member of that management company, which then that management company owns all your sub assets.

Yeah. And I think this is very common folks, half a million million dollars net worth and above, they have this type of. Holding company. I think most people have it as a set up as an LLC though, the wrong structure, because it doesn’t give you the flexibility for the third stage properly. And because you don’t have that split ownership status.

And so the second layer should be a limited partnership if done. And specifically, I like Arizona for the limited partnership because Arizona is the only state that allows you to disconnect that management company from a trust by statute. No other state allows you to do that yet. Not even like Wyoming or Delaware.

And what that does is. During a lawsuit, we can disconnect legally the management company from the asset protection trust. And like with our bridge trust, you’re now fully foreign offshore. When everything, like your doomsday scenarios coming at you, just take us logically so should you get sued?

Wouldn’t they just say okay, you’re controlling, but you also own that and control that. How would you, how would that happened? That’s a great question. So the bridge trust is both an offshore trust and a domestic trust. So it’s actually a foreign asset protection trust.

We just build the bridge back domestically to the U S for the IRS to classify it as a domestic trust, to keep your costs down and not have to have you do the IRS. Acid declarations. Now let’s say a big lawsuit comes and we agree it’s really bad. And we drop IRS compliance. That’s how it then becomes a foreign asset protection trust because it already is.

It’s a cook islands, foreign asset protection trust from day one. When we create it registered offshore with an offshore trustee from the moment it’s created, we’re not doing this after the fact. So as legitimized. What we do is just name through the control test is a state and you, as the trustee, all we have to do is blow up one of those elements to fall out of compliance with the IRS and the way we do that is just by removing the name trustee.

So you’re no longer the trustee. The offshore trustee is automatically foreign asset protection trust with no more domestic connection and no more domestic compliance. And how do you get around like the fraudulent transfer? And for those that aren’t aware, it’s a ubiquitous term, right?

My understanding is if not for this lawsuit, you wouldn’t have done this. Yeah. So all of this is created before the lawsuit and because it’s just one trust and it was a fully registered foreign asset protection trust from day one. And then the trust was fully funded from the moment we created it. There was no fraudulent transfer of this going on whatsoever.

And the trust itself is a foreign trust. So there’s no transferring of assets. Yeah. So the think of it figuratively, the bridge was built. You just disconnected one then, which is not a chance, maybe just thinking of it as a bridge. And then like some bridges have gateways that open up. The gate to the center, part of the bridge, we just opened up and we’d already had the assets over on to the foreign asset side of it.

Yeah. So again, those, I’d say like when to go off shore, Stephanie, more for the higher net worth guys or higher, job liability folks, and to categorize that, those are those you guys doing deals out. There were doctors in the spotlight of litigation. It was just a lowly computer program.

I don’t think you have too much to work out. As far as occupation, we get a lot that meets the, like that client profile are the self-funded real estate investors, like the cops, firefighters, nurses, who over the last 15, you know, school teachers who over the last 15, 20 years invested in real estate to fund their retirement.

And they have that, that net worth, but one lawsuit they’re completely wiped out forever and they have nothing to go back on. And so that’s the other profile that we get a lot of calls from are the self-funded we, real estate investment retired. So let’s dig into some of these, in the middle strategies, right?

A little bit better than an LLC, not as heavy duty as a bridge foreign, going to the cook islands came in wherever, the cool place to Sydney. Yeah. It’s the cook islands is the strongest, the other places There’s just too many ways for the us to reach control and jurisdiction and get access to your strategies, like in the Caymans or The Bahamas Caribbean we always end up having to build back exit strategies out of those, to the cook islands anyways.

So that’s why we just go straight to the cooks, but a lower level of protection. Let’s say you’re under 1 million there’s this trust called a quantum living trust, which is actually one of my favorite asset protection trust because. I’ll be honest. Like I see the most risk is that, 250,000 to below a million net worth because you’re new, but a lawsuit is going to wipe you out and you may not be able to get it back.

Yeah, you’re exposed that first hundred, $250,000, the hardest money to make came up. Yeah. And then breaking like the above 1.5 million is the next hard one to push through. And, but you’re at that level to where you can’t really like, you use a boxing term, you’re going to take a floating ribs shot, and that’s going to knock you out where a more experienced fighter can take that they know what it feels like.

And it’ll phase them. But they can get back up, dance around, get, recollect themselves and get back in the fight. So for that under 1 million, we ended up creating a quantum living trust, which is just a bridge trust lights. Is this like some reference to like ant man and Fanta umbrella or.

No. I don’t know why we ended up coming up with, like the quantum, I don’t get into the naming.

Okay. I’ll have to ask Doug Hey, like who ended up? Was it your wife that ended up coming up with the name of this? Or like why? But I never got into the question of why it was named that, but the great thing about this trust is, it’s half the cost of the bridge trust.

And then it works as an offshore trust and a domestic trust, but it also works as a revocable living trust. So you get almost a three for out of it. And it comes in at an affordable entry level spot to give a new investor or a person with a lot of assets, but low risk, some offshore component protection when they need it.

And then when they can keeps scaling. So you and I were discussing offline little bit my asset protection strategy. And then you kept using this term grant or trust. Can you define it? Yeah, a grant or trust is a trust essentially like the easy way to do it is it gives the trustee the power and authority to manage their assets, is the easiest way to do it.

It doesn’t take anything out of your exercising control. Yeah. And I think that’s, this is where it confuses a lot of investors, right? Coming outside of asset protection, there’s a lot of marketable products out there, like 10 30, one exchange. You can call it the 10 31 super Sonic exchange.

Right now it’s just a marketing term for the adapter and 31 exchange or a QRP are essentially solo 401ks with a little bit of twist, where quantum. Auto row asset trust. Is it an, the grantor trust is like that distinguishable legal term of, is it or is it not? Yeah,

and so in the world of asset protection, I have an irrevocable asset protection trust, and then some banks haven’t, it’s hard to get lending through, but that’s because they’re not using a grant towards trust. And so there’s different types of trust. And so it depends on the type of trust that you create and what is being created for.

So we specifically use grant toward trust because again, we can still have them irrevocable, which for an asset protection trust you want, but banks and lenders understand them and they’re easier to use and manage. You are given because it’s a self-settle spendthrift grant towards trust authority to manage your affairs.

So it’s easier. When it comes to closing deals if you went to Nevada and created a Nevada irrevocable asset protection trust, a lot of these trusts aren’t grant towards trust. And so banks get a hesitation or pause. Like you were talking about how you have a hard time with, a setup from the past getting funding and that’s because it wasn’t a grantor’s trust.

Yeah. Every time I S K P I, one of these deals. I have to answer the question. Sometimes they, they ask sometimes they don’t. I just don’t say anything until they ask, but. Yeah, I have to explain. It’s not a grantor stress or well, with anything you set up, even if it’s just an LLC, they’re still gonna ask.

So you just got to understand, like, all they’re doing is doing their due diligence, just like when you’re buying a property or an investment. And they just want to make sure Hey, if you’re having a mortgage, are you going to be able to pay? Or are you trying to set this up to, the bank on payments?

That’s all they’re essentially, they’re trying to figure out. And then you’re usually working with a junior level employee. Doesn’t just check in boxes and doesn’t know what the heck you’re doing. Cause that’s why they still have a day job. Exactly. And then it goes to the underwriters who then they call them, they say, what is this like, Oh, I’m just putting it into my asset protection trust for, a rainy day.

Okay, great. No problem is essentially how for our side of it, because we use grant or trust. It’s a really easy, quick conversation, but I would just tell your listeners expect. To explain some stuff like when you’re creating asset protection, because if you look at it as a flip side of the business or the lender, they just want to know.

Yeah. And I’ve had to do it where I take it off the UCC filing to and on. And this was just my personal thing. Like more asset protection you do, it can complicate your life. And if you’re a very unorganized person, Who doesn’t have a good understanding.

It can be very confusing a lot. And this is where you need a network people around you to best practices and in Tara and the right professionals too. And that’s where I’d also say if the system someone’s creating starts getting too convoluted and the optics look bad is because it’s too convoluted and the optics look bad, like we create a flowing system through stuff that.

Banks and lenders understand LLCs limited partnerships, grant or trust they’ve been using them for decades. There’s a lot of case law on it when you start using stuff, because I want to hide because of an amenity and you start getting all these creative, like some people send me their spreadsheets.

Like you did the same thing of your setup. And I’m like, Oh my God, just looking at this makes me look like I’m looking for curious, George right now. And a bank is going to look at that and say this is just too confusing. Like I didn’t want to spend the time. So we create things that are very flexible, but are very strong and just using legal systems and processes with easy flow through that banks and lenders understand.

Yeah. When you get to be too cute with your strategy and lenders and those guys, they just tell you no, after a while. Yeah. And you’re also just spending a lot of money, and it’s not going to do the intended purpose. This probably doesn’t apply to most people, but it’s a cool conversation starter.

And I think a lot of people maybe they’ve listened to this for cool things, the sound cool around the cocktail party when they can have a cocktail party again. But yeah, I have your cake and eat it too. Just, yeah it’s a good one. Like I work with Jeffer Dawn. So this is where like your high rollers, like I don’t even bring this.

Trust up unless you have a hundred million or more, because essentially it’s called the high set trust and it’s have your cake and needed to. And that’s because essentially you have to be able to take out about, max out your gifts exemption in amount, so like 22 million, I think it is right now and put it into.

A trust that you would gift to, your grandkids for the issue in the past was when you gifted assets to someone, you can’t get them back. Like it’s more of a tax strategy this trust to decrease your taxable estate and let it grow, capital gains tax free. But once you gift that money to someone, it is no longer yours it’s gone.

And what happened was in 2009, we realized we may need that money back. Like we just gifted $22 million to, Johnny. But now we lost 60% of our wealth and we need that money back, but we couldn’t get it. And, or Johnny is a crack head and, or you change your mind because good boy, Johnny turned into cocaine, Johnny, and you’re like, there’s no way I’m giving 22 million to cocaine, Johnny, because what is he going to go do?

Spend it all on below and cocaine, like cocaine, no. You wanted to be able to change your mind and get the money back at a certain point. And so Verdon genius, attorney to the stars. And I don’t even think not even like Uber high net worth is right term for who he represents, but.

Came up with a high set trust and it allows you to gift, that money, as long as you’re willing to be able to give up the 22 million or what, like 15 million, if you want to not need it to live gifted to whoever in your family, you want to gift it to decrease your taxable estate. At the same time, the money is going to increase.

Let’s say it’s over 20 years, 15 years at 6% as you’re investing. So you just turned like 20 million into, 60 million growing tax, deferred capital gain tax free, and then you want the money back. You can get it back and not have to pay the taxes on it. And that you stay in limbo land or you run the Wildcat offense based on maybe some years, The administration might bring that $22 million threshold up or down. Right now I’m expecting to get to go down, and so we’ll see what happens, like right now the bed is going to be like that gift amount is going to go back to where it was before or lower. Yeah. So you just wait maybe 10 to 20 years for it to go swing the other way.

And then you get it out. Yeah. And that’s where all of these, tax mitigation strategies and different trusts, cause not all trusts you use are for asset protection. Some are just for tax mitigation, strategies and taxes change per administration. Yeah. And that’s per state, right? To have per state and per state.

Exactly. Certain things that you do in one state, you won’t be able to do one another. But like I said, tax advantages and benefits and credits especially federal change as a new administration comes in. So that’s why you always have to be talking to your CPAs and your lawyers and your representatives.

And like you mentioned before a creative team, don’t be your own expert because you’re not going to be able to know all of the specialty, gadgets and gizmos and what to do. That’s what our jobs are for. Your job, go find deals, close deals. Let us take care of you. Protect you, let your tax guys, let you pay zero taxes, if you can.

Exactly. And like another one that is that kind of like the AP trusts. I’ve heard of that. I had a few clients that did something like that. That essentially the same thing. There’s a there’s trust with a, B portions in there, but I never heard of like an Abe unless it’s like a marketing term of a B.

It’s probably a marketing term, but it sounds like the same thing. You have the option to at a certain period of time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then there’s different trusts. Like people spin off quantum trust or tiger trust platinum trust. Like you hear all these different spinoffs, but what you need to just pay a caution to is, go and look up on the IRS website.

If you’re looking at a system and you want to make sure that the IRS won’t red flag you there’s a page that we have. I can send you the link and you can link it on there. For tax avoidance and hindrance. And some of these marketers and, legal service providers, if they’re advertising for tax advantages and tax cuts through asset protection planning, that’s a red flag because asset protection is tax neutral.

And the second you start doing, specifically tax focus for asset protection you’re going to fall into a lot of potential fraudulent. So just to check my understanding. Today there’s a lot of market terms out there, but to me, the big ones, is it a grantor trust? Is it given mobile bookable or vocable?

Those are, to me, my takeaway is those are the two big things that said yes or no, or one way or correct. And that would also fall in the line of, do you want it for asset protection or do you want it more as a like irrevocable versus revokable. Do you want it to be able to be changed or not?

Revokable means it can be changed. And a court judge can force you to change it. Irrevocable means is not going to be easily changed and most likely it’ll be hard for a judge to order you to change it. That falls in line of asset protection or non asset protection grant towards trust, or just a different type of trust that allow you to maintain, investment control and power of the trust.

While you’re investing, it does grants more of those rights to the trustee. You, the creator of it. And then the rest of it is just making sure, like the big takeaway don’t get too cute with your system. Don’t fall into the anonymity trap. If you’re not in that state, why would you create an LLC in that state to put something into it?

Like illegally? There’s no justification for that. Cause I want to sound cool and be Anon, right? Exactly. I’m going to go to my lawsuit because I have an anonymous LLC. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense after we talk about it. But when you’re in the heat of things and you’re getting sold a bunch of products, it can be.

Yeah, sure. That ends the car too. That’s like when you talk, make sure you talk to specialists, like that’s my other big takeaway is if it’s a real estate attorney who. They’re a real estate attorney. They’re good at closing and negotiating closing deals. And they’re not asset protection attorneys.

Like your business attorney is not an asset protection attorney. It’s I go to the right doctor for the right medical issue, go to the right lawyer for the right issue. Asset protection attorneys should be specifically an asset protection attorney. Otherwise they probably just went and took a continuing legal educational course and Oh look, I just learned about this cool thing called an LLC or a series LLC.

And then they just trying to add extra revenue into their firm and stuff, everybody into it. And that’s the wrong tool. And this is going to sound self-serving but guys, if you guys are just listening to this stuff, you guys are just drinking from the edge of the river. Jump on, in, on the pool party and join a family office or how to mastermind, there, you’re gonna meet up with 50 to 60 accredit investors, all doing the same thing, build your thing and bring in guests like Brian to answer more private questions

if not yet, just keep going through the sales calls guys. They know how to go. It’s just go call up all those lawyers up there and have them sell you stuff on a sales call. Is that what you’re going to get. You’re not going to get that other perspective that you’re going to get from him up to your best or.

I agree with you a hundred percent on that. I don’t think it’s self-serving. I think that the more someone educates themselves and gets into a mastermind group and affiliation of other smart people, you’re going to see your rate of growth accelerate and the people amount of minds that you can piggyback ideas off of is I think of it as like a pie chart.

There’s three categories. I know this, I don’t know this. And then the things I don’t know that I don’t know. And so if you’re in a mastermind with smart people, I know something. I don’t like, I already know it. I know. I don’t know this. Hey lane. I don’t know this. Can you help me? Sure. Great. Go to this person.

All right. Awesome. I don’t know. I don’t know something. And that’s where most of your assets are. That’s what you’re operating in the most out of that percentage of your pie chart, you’re going to get the most loss you’ve ever seen in your life. So the goal is to shrink that as fast as possible. Get educated. So you can have the informed conversation. Is this the grant or trust, right? Is this an irrevocable or vocable trust? Why does each one of those options matter per my specific situation, but, or you can just invest in the stock market guys and work for 50 more years, but probably aren’t you.

I get folks share contact information and I appreciate you coming up. Yeah, no, definitely. You can reach me at my email. Brian B R I a n@btblegal.com. My website has lots of informative information. I use it more as a legal reference for people. So lots of case law. Like everything that I do, I live through case law because I’m a trial lawyer by trade.

And I just like to cap people have the most information as possible. So www dot BTB, legal.com. A lot of frequently asked questions on there. More than you can probably think of yourself as well as lots of videos for educational references. So if you guys haven’t yet joined our investor clubs, simple pass the castle.com/club.

And if you just waiting around, just in podcast land join our masterminds opacity council.com/journey. We’ll see you guys next time.

April 2021 Monthly Market Update

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All right. Welcome everybody. This is the April, 2021 monthly market update, or I go over all the latest happenings that impact real estate and by investment portfolio and our, I don’t know about yours. You guys want to check this out on the YouTube channel, go to school, pass a cashflow, search that and.

This, all the videos of all these past months are found @simplepassivecashflow.com/investorletter. So let’s get going the Easter egg this month. If you guys want to grab the free giveaway, but a simple passive cashflow.com/qrp QRP quail. Ralph Paul. To get the free book to learn how to avoid UDFI and UBIT tax, you get kit.

When you start to invest with that type of accounts, your qualified retirement money in leverage investments, and you do want to use leverage, right? We all want up to a certain point, right? When you get the best returns, the cashflow But, yeah, I think if you were listening to our last office deal webinar, that was funny talking with the bank office folks.

A lot of don’t know what this QRP solo, 401ks and Roth IRAs. And we were laughing because the ultra high net worth don’t do that stuff makes, so it made me laugh quite a bit, but for a lot of you guys under $4 million network, A lot of your equity might be in your retirement accounts and this may be one way to get it out.

But I kinda think for most people, it just makes sense to take it out, but of course, therein lies the strategy and that’s why you listen to this full passive casual podcast and check us out and join the investor clubs. simplepassivecashflow.com/club and get all the insider secrets such as do I need to be using QLP or spokes.

All right. So first thing here, this is a sort of an indicator on TSA checkpoint screenings. So yeah, TSA, the security folks at the airport, this measure is a seven day moving average. And it is definitely coming back up as if March, April from the bowl, April 20, 20, over halfway there from the peak of where we used to be prior to 2020 in 2029.

So things are coming back slowly. We’re not, we’re like halfway there in terms of TSA stats. And if you guys are listening to this podcast form, , if you go to simple, positive cashflow podcasts, you want to get a glimpse of all the poor charts that I’ve put together here. And the flood graphics.

You could also check this out on our YouTube channel or it’s simple, passive cashflow.com/investor letter. Of course. Stimulus plan came out again under the $1.9 trillion one. My wife says, I asked her how many stimulus funds do you think there were? She was like three, cause I got three checks.

Really? I think there’s four or five by now. And there’s probably going to be, I’m guessing two, maybe three more to come later this year. Who knows? Maybe even next year. But yeah, I think seamless helps investors, right? That’s essentially just running up debt and the people who are going into deals with good debt, are they going to be the benefactors in the future, but here’s a little chart just checking yourself where you fall based on how many dependents you had come to you, but you guys are all smart.

You guys got your checks. You guys are cool. You guys do the direct deposit. Now, this is something interesting. Moving forward, not to say anything politically, actually I don’t see anything like that. I don’t really care one way or the other, but I do know Democrats typically spend more money in terms of stimulus dollars and which ultimately helped me, so I guess that’s a cool thing in the end, but. Senator Ben Cardin let a little things slip there on the hot mic. You said that Democrats will most likely, and I quote most likely use reconciliation on an infrastructure package. And basically what that is not that the Senate and the house is majority power going to the Democrats.

They can use this to bully their bills and stimulus packages through. So it is what it is. They have the edge actually in all the presidents, Democrat too. So all three branches of government going to the Democrats and you asked me, I don’t care. Look, guys, spend your time on making money at your job or investing your money.

And. Spend less time on worrying on things you can control, figure out where the puck is going go there. All right. Now I’ll probably get some hate mail or some trolls of the YouTube channel for that. But it is what it is anyway. A lot of folks are thinking that the us GDP is going to go gangbusters.

I think we’ve shown Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac stats here as one from the conference board where they are showing some upside projections, downside projections and the base projections actually. But I like to see the optimistic pessimistic, and then the baseline deals just to compare them.

But yeah, they’re expecting growth expectations to reach five to 6% for 2021. Due to COVID 19 release spending and the overall, things getting back and forth, both ends.

There’s some demographic trends mean this is no surprise to everybody that the green dots are where the top 10 population rank growth is. These are in no particular order going from the right to the left or East to West. Raleigh Charlotte, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Fort worth Austin, San Antonio, Phoenix, Arizona, salt Lake city, and Las Vegas.

Those are the top 10. The bottom 10 are Los Angeles, orange County, Milwaukee, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, New York city. Believe that’s new Haven and Philadelphia.

bigger pockets. I don’t know where these guys get their data from. But they said top cities for red growth in 2020. Number one, Houston, Texas Portland, Oregon, Dallas, Texas, Chicago, Illinois, St. Petersburg, Florida, Phoenix, Arizona, round rock, Texas, Oklahoma city, Scottsdale, Arizona and Helene, Texas. If you’re reading this chart, they’re saying Houston rent growth is going to go up 19%.

I don’t know where they’re getting their numbers from, but I’m just throwing out these percentages personally, but I’m just looking at the top 10 and Hey, these are good markets is the message that I’m pulling away. As an investor, John Burns put up the school article with five new home designs, thoughts and starts.

So things that are coming in terms of trends, things are going on. First one, healthy living. So less focusing on the materials you use to build the home and start focusing on creating a healthy lifestyle in the new home, such as low VOC materials. Yeah. Marketing should emphasize things such as better sleep and easy to clean surfaces throughout the design.

Rather than those certifications or low VOC materials. I guess what they’re saying is those lead platinum silver. I always thought that stuff is garbage in the first place. It was just like a contest of who could pay the most to these guys to give them the best score.

Actually, I shouldn’t say that, but. I guess what they’re saying is those certifications are being less and less important and getting back to the basics of music services and better sleep. Next thing rethinking five CS. So are they replacing the windows in the right location and homeowners have a strong preference about their entry design and most don’t want a front porch for planned conversations with their neighbor.

I guess that’s what a garage is for. You just opened the garage, driving close the garage. You don’t have to talk to anybody. You never have to get out, just go to your, or your cubicle at home. Go get, keep it go at work, go to your cubicle. That drives you around.

Number three, functional tech smart tech should make the home run smoothly from behind the scenes going away or the touchless tech and the voice says this that’s. Still have some runway for growth. I don’t know about you, but I still don’t trust. Mrs. S she always gets it wrong. This is a I’m learning how to control that one.

I’m not going to say it because things will start to go the largest opportunity for smart homes is tech that identifies me to issues before disaster strikes. I think maybe they’re talking about those fancy refrigerators that I don’t have that tells you when something is going bad or something like that.

I know none of the subs, I don’t have a full house like that because I rent and I’m happy. Sound insightful offices are historically been in the front of the house, which is exactly where consumers don’t want them. They want to put them in the back of the house upstairs with a window in front of the desk and wall behind the desk for effective video conferencing.

Interesting. Yeah, but this makes sense, right? They want to have their office in the back. Hidden, I guess young families will invest in homes. Despite the theoretically having less disposable income, young families want the private spaces, the healthier home, and won’t they functional kitchen and the sanctioning bathrooms that most are also more likely to replace a perfectly functional appliance or fixture.

If it is job style, start focusing on more, helping them with their busy lives. Yeah, this might be the trend here, right? For the 5% that can actually enforce their own damn house. But 95% of all, or the vast majority can’t afford it and will live in rentals and apartments. So what they can afford is what, nice to have my opinion, but not starting to old sound like an old grumpy man.

Moving on to some commercial stuff here, Disney to close 60 stores in North America. So if you guys like to dive in that massive pile of Disney plush toys, I guess you probably can’t do that anymore because they don’t allow you to touch the merchandise, but they might even be closing your nearby Disney store.

So you’re going to have to go to Disneyland to get your stuff or go to evening. Refinance loans. Propelio another increase in whole mortgage lending activity during the fourth quarter of 2020. This is Adam data solutions. So what they’re saying here is purchases refinance, and he logs are on the uptick as of the last three quarters.

Now this makes sense, right? People are getting back into the market or more lending action. Another top 10 market from ALN data that call no, this is more apartments. 10 markets, Phoenix, Arizona, Tampa, Florida, Dallas Fort worth Houston. Those are your top five, top four by long shot. Now you start to get into Atlanta Seattle, North Carolina fall.

Let the bill. Raleigh North Carolina, Denver, Colorado, Orlando, Florida rounds up top 10. It Phoenix, Tampa, Dallas, Houston plant a top five

joint center for housing studies of Harvard university came up with this cool article and I sticking this one figure that I saw useful work. The rise in young adults, living with parents early in the pandemic was mostly rare first after the summer. So what they’re saying is the young adults, they obviously moved in with mom and dad starting last year, but then now they’re regressing back and take back out and it has it broken down between 18 to 24 years old.

Which, yeah, a lot more than my running back to come up, dad, as opposed to the 25 to 29 year old is a great resource. This joint center for housing studies at Harvard university. I don’t think this is very biased industry data, like some of the multifamily housing needs, but these are very rich articles.

If you guys are bored and you want a good resource. Another resource of all data that called does a lot of apartments, top 10 worst markets. And the naughty 10 is New York city, Los Angeles, Chicago grand Rapids, Michigan Birmingham, Alabama Shreveport, Louisiana, Illinois, Springfield, Northwest Arkansas Buffalo, New York, Richmond, Virginia.

But I think out of this list, New York city is by far the biggest loser New York city, the rest of the list, they’re losing some population, but not too much

huge news coming out of Phoenix, Arizona, as we mentioned them earlier, Phoenix mixed use project takes a giant leap report by commercial property executive as this. Development would comprise a 2.1 million square feet on light industrial as well. The office retail and entertainment space. And this is a Keystone equity’s recent acquisition of 129 39 acres in Goodyear, Arizona situated at the interstate 10 and three Oh three.

More things from Phoenix pin investment Suncrest, real estate to develop 109 unit build to rent community in Phoenix. Now, this is something I’ve been hearing a lot about a podcast land. Some of you guys have sent us emails on this, and I just think it’s people are just like building turnkey rentals are still too unsophisticated investors.

But it makes sense, right? People want newer stuff these days. They don’t need to be in the best areas. They just want it to be new. And I see the appeal to this. This is why people would rather be in smaller living conditions, like a condo, one bedroom, high rise apartment, whether it’s new, they have all the cool amenities and it’s cheaper as opposed to being in a larger house or traditional housing environment. But. So people have, there’s like this thesis that people want news. So when you get the people to what they want, that can’t afford it, you have to buy to rent. So the investor buys it and then rents it out.

I’m not a big fan of this, but Hey, prove me wrong, right guys. But they’re building that in Phoenix because the population growth another chart here. Market five-year rent growth projections over the national average. So this is a five-year horizon in Phoenix, Arizona. Number one on the list at 37% rent growth in this five-year period.

Second place in them. Empire, California, San Bernardino area, 32% Dallas Fort worth 32% in this five-year period, Atlanta, Georgia 31%. And then you go down to Baltimore, Seattle, New York city, Northern New Jersey, central Valley, California, orange County, Oakland, San Francisco. Why can’t I say it? And insula now these are all the big red growth jumps over a long period, right?

Not just six months or a year, but a five-year period. These are your longterm trends and out of this list, a lot of your primary markets, right? Which you’ve come to expect, but out of these, the top 20 of 24 markets that actually will catch it all. Let me go through here. The only ones who will do it will be Phoenix.

I don’t think inland empire will cashflow too much close to Los Angeles and it’s in the state of California, but Watson one real estate there. Where the tenant, it’s all the power. Dallas Fort worth Atlanta. Yeah, I like those markets, but all these other ones, they’re all blue States.

You’re not going to have the rent evaluation. You’re not going to be in the cash flow with a class B or C asset. Indianapolis number 15 on the list is on here that cash flows, salt Lake. Not really. You can’t really cashflow there anymore. Tampa Bay Detroit can sorta, but that’s getting lower on the list.

More news from Tempe, which essentially Phoenix the house enters Arizona market with $177 million multi-family development in Tempe, which will feature a 310 studio, one, two and three bedroom. So yeah more development. And also here’s another one. Intel expanse. What’s making all this Phoenix news, Intel expanse, Arizona footprint with $20 billion investment to new factories will be developed at the company’s campus Chandler Arizona, which is pretty much Phoenix.

Now, John Burns with their March madness theme came up with these fun themes. Bracketology for their next at merchant markets. So in the Southeast conference, rebuild South Carolina, Knoxville, Tennessee South is boys. To welcome 82% of the national household growth over the next decade. Just why we like to invest in Alabama and Texas looking at, I don’t know as much, not still, but yeah, Knoxville, not Memphis, but Knoxville.

And some of those smaller markets that tendency even look good. I don’t really look at South Carolina to me. It’s just too far, but I hear it’s a great market. Western conference, the Tucson, Arizona, Fort Collins, Colorado are benefiting for the rapid growth and rising prices of Phoenix of Denver. I don’t know if you can cash flow a Denver or Fort Collins.

That’s the problem with that? You’re not saying that they’re bad places, but you just can’t cashflow there. Bracket busters, Myrtle beach, South Carolina and Spokane Washington are booming for their relative affordability house prices and house prices that are rapidly rising. And then the parental powerhouses, I guess these are your North Carolina’s and your Dukes.

Austin, Texas and Phoenix, Arizona, both markets are mentioned as university cities as a clear destination for full buyers, particularly out of California. Do you guys go on YouTube and inundate with these videos that people St while they’re getting the heck out of California, it’s hot stuff. These days, hot topics, very tweetable topics or YouTube algorithm, friendly topics, even California to go to Texas, Arizona Vegas.

And here’s a screenshot of the Yardi matrix, another multifamily apartment rent tracker that I follow year over year, rent growth of all classic classes.

Take a little breather here. Do you guys have not yet? Join our community, get educated, go through our pipeline. Free e-course that is up this month. Go to simple, passive for that. And if you’ve been following with us and getting a sense of our community and our unique tribe of high net worth working professionals, to try to get our network from one, the $10 million.

Check out our family office, a Honda mastermind, which is to grow your network and also get in a group of other like-minded. I paid professionals to learn more, go to simple, passive casel.com/journey. And for those of you guys just getting started, maybe your net worth is under a quarter million dollars trying to pick up your first rental property or about turnkey rental.

Check out the simple classic Castro investor incubator, check out the e-course if you just want to dip your toe in that, but you can learn more about that. It’s simple, passive castle.com/incubator for information about the e-course and incubator there. But we’re going to transition more on to what I’ve been doing a little lately.

We see, we have some live attendees there. If you guys want to drop some questions or comments into the question, answer box, we’ll get to it at the end. But I was trying to find ways keep growing, keep improving So I’ve been getting some business coaching lately trying to improve my skills in terms of leadership, which means hiring people.

I’m learning that I am going to be a father soon. So I cannot do this simple passive cashflow dance for 12 hours every single day. And I need to bring the team around me. So I am trying to grow myself that way, which is very difficult. How did we treat a little contribution this last month?

Well, a bunch of our deals just close one full cycle Atlanta, Georgia, that one you guys remember if you guys were with us back in 2018? We just more than doubled best buy in two and a half years. Huntsville investors doubled investor’s money in three years.

Another one we 26% return people’s two years and get under the Chattanooga. And we also got this other deal in Texas. I can’t say where it is yet, because it’s not final yet, but we are looking like it’s going to be 130 something percent return in five years We’re in the talks with buyers for that right now, to submit that total return.

But on that deal, it was Rocky up, started out the Gates occupancy actually went down to the 60%, which is very rare. I’ll be that happens. Things pretty goes pretty smoothly, 90% of the time, but this is like the 10% of the exceptions. We crawled all the way back and, continue to doing the business plan, rehabbing units and.

Yeah. It’s great when we can make great investors at ease and get right the ship. The truth is these assets are pretty resilient and yeah. Maybe we don’t pay out distributions for a little bit, the business plan is going along the business plans through increased rents and event, she cashed in with a big return, like how we are looking like it’s going to be here shortly.

Woo, ooh, on that. But also booboo on our recent closing last week, a 303 unit class B in Houston, Texas Cambridge village apartments. For those of you who have joined us if you guys like red wine, white wine champagne, or you’re just crazy enough, like this guy doesn’t even need a drink.

Congratulations. And thanks for jumping on this one with us a little bit on certainty here from myself, and this is the crazy thing, right? Like where does my headaches come fall? Not from these big, robust deals, but on this pain, the butt single family home that I still own two of these things.

And we’ve been trying to get this one sold for like a whole year and. I’m not complaining or anything like that, as a remote landlord, I have very little recourse control of how things go. You’re just getting fixed up. I dunno, what this thing is, XL like given up hope. I just written it off.

Luckily I think I’ll make a profit on this summer, but man, what a headache, it’s definitely not worth the trouble. I don’t know why anybody does those burst a pain. It’s cool. You can make 20, 30% for time and money like that. But for the risk of working with a bunch of lower level contractors, wiring money remotely, to me, it’s not the way for more accredited investors or guys over half a million dollars worth.

But Hey, that’s just me call me ladies, if you want. But how do I get certainty? That’s one of the big, important things for folks and, going back to that El Paso deal, occupancy job pretty much the 50%. And we crawled back in two years to get that thing back to 90% stabilizing and very confident that we’re going to get your 20% people’s money in three years on that it’s phenomenal little Rocky start, but.

That’s how things go. And the full family office on a mastermind, the group with the bank and the collective genius more information go to simple, passive cashflow.com/journey because it’s the largest it’s ever been. We got a lot of people in the beginning. Try us out. They paid the in-store price, something at renew, some weren’t the right fit.

But overall the last couple of years, people have been joining and we’re at the highest level of membership as possible. And now I’ve created more of an elder program or people stick around, they’d be up for another year and they try and help out the community more for now new members coming in, we give them a couple of mentors, people who have been in the group for more than a year to help jumpstart their networking and also have another person.

That’s another viewpoint other than myself and the other staff to help them out. So we’re trying to make this program better every single day. You guys are always interested in the crop I’m buying. So what did I buy this month? Do dads. So I bought these these felt planters. They’re still on my couch.

I haven’t put dirt in them, but. I bought them because I was going to grow like sweet potatoes and potatoes. And I guess there’s like a little Velcro flap that you can see when it’s ready. They’re like 20 bucks. I think it gets me outside. And then I actually am really into like worms and stuff like that.

So I bought this compost container, or you put like all the. Composting stuff in there. And then every few days I run it out to the worms, throw it in the compost pile that I’m getting back into the Sufi thing, sibling, fish, and steaks. But yeah, again, if you guys want to grab the QRP book, go to simple passive castle.com/qrp.

Nothing here should be taken as legal tax, financial investment advice. Think for yourself folks, we’re here just to educate you guys and connect you with the right people. But we will see you guys next month. All right. Aloha. Everybody it’s may day coming up, but.

Taking Control of Your Finances w/ Rachel Marshall

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Hey, what’s up guys.

What I wanted to talk about today was take a pause at this moment in time now.

And I just want to, when you guys out to the water gear is I just wanted to ask you a question. Do you know how to catch a wave when you’re surfing? For those of you don’t know how to surf as someone who works all the time, , the office. And someone with self-proclaimed soft, Pete, like myself, look, I don’t know how to surf.

I’ll be honest, but follow me here with this analogy

because I’ve seen it done a few times. I’ve sat out here and I’ve watched these guys do it just go with me so I was recently talking to some of my partners and some brokers common thread in these conversations this recovery going on at the moment, we’re starting to see this country get back in order.

And certainly , a lot of us are making that call, second half of 2021 is going to be when things are going to be really strong. And I believe this is going to be the biggest wave. I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. Maybe even yours. How do I know this? The stimulus that has been pumped into the economy dwarf.

The recession of 2008. There have been many indications

if you’ve been following my monthly green sheet updates, multiple rounds are coming. 📍 No. If you can pop that slip on the time, Senator Carr against hotline incident, the last month he was talking about how he thinks that the Democrats are going to push it right around now that they have the majority vote

and basically they’re going to

the already $1.9 trillion stimulus that just went through

economic. Package that would be reportedly costing between two and $4 trillion. . This is on top of all that stuff. They didn’t. 2020 now, ultimately this helps us investors as more money flows to our tenants. And then of course, to us in our pocket books, as investors is a heads, I win tails. I win situation who knows. They may find ways to directly stimulate our already good lending programs, such as Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac,

if not we’ll keep casual line. That’s the nice thing about the business plan. , no inflation is going to come pay for all this mess and the savers, those who are hoarding money in their bank account, or keeping it locked up as home equity, not doing anything.

Relative value to the loans are eventually deflated over time as inflation happens. This is another one of the many reasons why we do what we do and we pick up good, Annie Mae, Freddie Mac debt, and from other community banks, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac a lot of the big Economic houses out there,, forecasting, a five to eight GDP growth just for one quarter coming up the second half of this year, I’ve been consistently discussing this amongst my closest peers and amongst my inner circle investor group.

Now, what are we doing to get ready now? Going back to my surfing. How do you catch a wave? When you see that smell up there, you got to start paddling

now because you’ve got to pick enough speed. Or if you wait too long and you just wait until See those statistics come into play quarter three, quarter four, whenever lane and company are saying, it’s going to happen. It’s going to be too late. The waves, just going to go right over you.

And then you’re going to say those guys just got lucky, right?

And ultimately you’re going to be missing out on water. Biggest bull market seat. Remember open 19 brought about a health pandemic. Prior to the recession, there was nothing wrong with the economy. All time lows upon employment.

Don’t be like most people, , this wave is going to go right underneath. And they’re gonna be making an excuse on why they missed out or worst stuff. Just chalk it up to people, being lucky. Look, people who are putting themselves in position now , getting speed, paddling going into good opportunities.

They’re not the lucky ones. They were the people working hard while people who are just sitting around on their board like this.

Those who are active now picking up debt. Good deals that are cash flowing will be the winners.

Now luck equals opportunity. Plus preparation. We are preparing now by starting to invest capital last year. If you noticed what we were doing last year, we were picking up deals. We were still remaining active in 2020. Now, what this has enabled us is this gets top of the line.

When brokers finally have deals coming through the pipeline, they have us on speed dial.

Because as I say this is probably one of the biggest waves or bull markets you ever seen in this lifetime.

Don’t wait until Q4 or the summer. To see the ass and have this wave come through.

, the people who are doing this right start to see this wave off into the distance and starting to paddle now. And that’s what I personally doing. . I’m deploying my funds, getting more offers out there as we speak.

You see the wave coming.

Do you know, you’ve got to pick up some speed in order to catch the wave. What are you missing? More education. Seriously, shoot me a email lane at simple passive cashflow. If you have any education questions, what do you need? what’s missing?

Because if you’re not in the game and you’re not putting money out there, you’re not learning. Okay.

All right. Talk to you guys later. I just wanted to let myself outside of the office. I got to get back in there. I’m enjoying this break, but yeah, appreciate you guys for listening

Hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. Today, we have Rachel Marshall from the money advantage podcast, talking about a bunch of money hacks for the rich people. Rachel has a very awesome lane. Great to be here today. So one of the first things we’ll point out is you are not a traditional financial planner.

Yeah, I would say that you’re absolutely right there. And maybe I’m sure you’ve, here’s the platform to finally air it out. Why did you deviate from that path? Great question. Really. I see a lot of typical financial planning being along these lines of telling people what to do that ends up taking away their control.

And it’s really unfortunate, but I think there’s a much better way than listening to. Common financial advice where you’re going to hear things like, Hey, invest for the long haul in the stock market and just stay in. And when the money goes up and the money goes down, you’re going to be fine. Just stay in.

While you’re paying, guaranteed management fees to the fund managers and they’re winning and you potentially are really losing, we also see things like people say, Oh, pay off your debt as quickly as possible, because then you’re going to be debt free. That’s not really a position of financial control.

So when we see. So many financial strategies and so much financial information, really taking that cashflow, taking the control out of the hands of people. That’s really something that I want to be in a position of giving back the cashflow and giving back control to the people we work with. All right. So the people listening are high-paid professionals already investing in real estate, and they’re drinking the Kool-Aid.

Maybe we can talk about that HELOC strategy in a little bit, but. No, they’re already, about to break up with their financial planner. And what would you say would be people are probably calling them crazy, whereas some suggestions on what to tell your friends and family, when you’re going to get rid of that person.

That’s a really insightful question and I think it really comes back to, you have to ask yourself, who do I want to be in control of my financial destiny and, especially as a high paid professional or somebody who’s already accredited status for their investing, you’re in a position where common strategies and common financial.

Stuff just really doesn’t work for you. And if you are being honest with yourself about where you want to go and what you want to create in your life and the tremendous wealth that you want to have, I think it takes a little bit of courage to be able to say, Hey, I need to do things differently and really step out.

And be honest about the fact that I need to be in financial control. I don’t want to just trust somebody else to rely on them and really what it comes down to for us, as we say, you. The person we’re talking to you are the best financial advisor you’ll ever have. And I know that sounds really odd, especially if I’m in the financial industry, but it’s because we really believe that you are the best person to be in control.

And I think that’s really the crux when it comes down to that. People who are breaking up with their financial advisor and really going off the range and saying, okay, how do I have as much cashflow as possible? How do I invest in cash flowing assets? How do I invest in real estate? And all these deals that you are talking about lane it’s really those people who are saying, I want something different.

I saw. My dad, my grandpa invest in the stock market and I saw that money go up and I saw it come down and I saw their life savings crash in front of their eyes. And I don’t want that. I really want to be in a position where I control my future and I have cashflow coming in. And so I think we talked to a lot of people as well, like yourself that have drank that Kool-Aid and sometimes they’re earlier on that path of saying, Hey, I want to take control.

It’s usually people who’ve read Robert Kiyosaki, and they’re saying, Hey, I want to get in a position where. I’m truly an investor, a business owner, and I’m not just working for money. So there’s a huge tribe of people doing that. And I think sometimes it just takes courage to jump into that sphere and say, wow, there’s a lot of people who are already doing this.

And a lot of the mainstream advice out there are for the masses take the book by Tony Robbins. He recently wrote, which I heard was good. It’s four inches thick though. And it takes forever. But the, in a nutshell, if he’s telling people just go after the ETFs because it’s low cost, but he’s behind the scenes.

He’s just telling people, Hey, look, you’re an average person. You suck at this. You have no advantage. You might as well just go on the cheap thing cause you don’t know any better. And it’s just like people who followed grant Cardone, he has a podcast and he sorta educates you just on the surface enough to shake your paradigm.

But then he’s basically like you suck. You’re not going to be able to be a real estate investor like me because I have an army of team behind me just invest in my fund. . Yeah. Yeah. I haven’t read Tony’s book and I’ve heard people speak very highly of it as well, but I think it really comes down to, do you believe that you’re the best person to be in control and, what’s interesting as you talked about being a high paid professional and what’s interesting is a lot of people would say my income is probably similar to my neighbor or the people that I hang out with. And that’s my social circle and my sphere of influence. But, the top 25% of people make 77,000. The top 10% are making something over 133,000. The top 5% is anybody who makes over 188,000. The top 1%.

It’s not the millionaires and ultra billionaires. To be in the top. 1%. All you need to do is make $465,000 a year. So if you are in a top category, you’re not common, you don’t have common income. So don’t follow common advice. You are a person who needs uncommon strategies that really will help you to continue to Uplevel and scale and grow your wealth.

I wanted to, just to illustrate that concept there are strategies for the 1%, there are strategies for the top 90 percentile, and then there’s the rest of the strategies for the masses. I think the masses, just to use this as an example of the strategy for the masses is don’t have any debt.

And I think most of us who are listening to this. No, what a complete BS. This is, you want that you want to lock up long-term debt to create more assets that produce more income long-term and grow your net worth exponentially. That’s what’s interesting because if you do have debt, so you mentioned lockup your debt in for a long period of time.

A lot of people are saying Hey, you should have these shorter mortgages and you should try to get the lowest interest rate possible and pay things off as quickly as possible. But again, That is not uncommon advice. That is common advice. Now here’s the thing you really want to be thinking about. How do you have the smallest payment?

How do you get that while you have the longest term on your loan? What’s interesting. Japan has a hundred year mortgages. I wish that I could get a hundred year mortgage. That would be amazing. And the reason that I say that is that I would like to have all of the extra cashflow because a hundred year mortgage payment is going to be tremendously smaller than if I had a 10 year or 15 year mortgage, because that is, constricted down into a shorter timeframe.

So you have to pay more per month. And so if I think about how can I have the smallest amount of payment per month on my fixed. Payments. I’m actually improving my debt to income ratio, which means I can actually get better interest rates on future loans. I’m also in a safer position because now I’m in a position where I can easily make those payments.

And I’m not in a risk position of not being able to make those loan payments, which then means my credit score is going to be improved. And you’re in a position where you’re focused then on cashflow, not just on paying off the loans as quickly as possible. So I just wanted to illustrate your point there.

So switching over to the opposite end of the advice for the 1% it’s simple, right? For higher net worth people, it’s go get a few rental properties, maybe some turnkeys and then step into private placements and syndications and grow and invest that money and create cashflow and long-term network gain.

And interesting enough you mentioned, improve your credit score. For the 1%, I don’t care about my credit score. I’m not getting the debt. The general partners are getting the debt on my behalf. Switching back to, where I’m landing on is this advice for that top 90 percentile that maybe I know you and I wanted to bash this strategy for the 90 percentile.

It’s not horrible, but it’s not the best thing that you could be doing. And that’s the taking your hilar pain down Your home. Maybe people who haven’t heard of the strategy for me, can you outline it for us real quick? I can. And I’m honestly not super familiar with this because this is not something we recommend.

But the idea would be well, let’s have the heat lock and then let’s put all of our income into the heat lock and use the heat lock to pay off all of our expenses and including our mortgage and. All of our other debts and all of our lifestyle expenses. And the idea is that you’re going to save a little bit in interest.

At the end of the rainbow, really the goal of that is to pay off your loans quickly and save a little bit of interest. But if you really think about it, if you’re in a position where you are putting all of your cashflow into your home via your HELOC, You’re in a position where your cash is going into the four walls of your house.

Now, if you have equity built up in your house. Yeah, that’s nice. But what if you want to use that money to then go put into real estate and private placements that money’s locked up? That’s not something you’re going to necessarily be able to go access and put to use in rental real estate. And so what you want to do is you want to think about how could I have my cash stored in places that a is safe.

It’s not going to drop in value unless I take it out. Where a house. If you’re putting the money into your heat lock and into your four walls of your house, if the market does drop, then you lose that equity. So you want it to be safe. You also want it to be accessible. Now, in any circumstance you want to be able to get to that money.

You don’t want to have to say look right now, I don’t have the income. And so I need to be able to tap into this mortgage and pull the money out. You want to be in a position where you can access that capital. Regardless of your financial circumstance and it’s arguable, you could say Hey, I’m high net worth and I have lots of money and I don’t have to worry about it ever been in a position without income, but you want to put yourself in a position where you’re never going to have a cashflow crunch.

If you have a lot of properties and you do dry up in income, or you have a tough month or you have a tough couple of months, you want to be in a position where you can access that capital. Because there are so many real estate investors that have been in a position when the market did dry up and they didn’t have the capital that they could access that completely wiped them out.

And so to be in a safe position, you want to prevent that cashflow crunch. So you want to store your money, not just in the four walls of the house. Like I said, you want to have it where it’s safe, where you can always access it and where it is growing. Yeah. So if you guys are a little slow to the party here and you want to watch the full one hour plus webinar on the simple pass, the castle.com/lock, and you can learn about all about this pretty bad strategy in my opinion.

But you’re paying down debt here and okay, but it’s not the best optimal strategy and people, I get this all the time. That’s how I just really wanted to talk about it. People in the mastermind will be like I heard of this strategy and it’s an awesome, like YouTube zinger headline, right?

Pay your mortgage off in four to seven years. But it’s just not a good strategy that the wealthy do. Oh, here’s the interesting thing the wealthy think about how do I have capital that I control? Because I like to think of it as an emergency opportunity fund, right? You’re going to have life come at you where you have a bigger expense in some months that you weren’t expecting that would be considered an emergency.

You’re also going to have opportunities, which is the thing that’s really exciting. It’s the reason that I want to have cash that I can get to. And that cash that I’m storing is way more valuable than paying off the loan as quickly as possible. Here’s the thing. If I have the cash to be able to pay off my mortgage, I’m not in debt.

Now, this is something that we talk about on a regular basis. And people say just because I have a loan, that means I’m in debt. But I know you and your audience are super smart and you’ve probably thought this completely through already, but you’re only in debt when you have negative equity and negative equity is a position where your assets are less than your liabilities.

Now, if you had your cash sitting somewhere that you could access and say you had $700,000 and you want to pay off your $700,000 mortgage, you could. If that was the best use of that capital for you. But what if there was something that would produce a higher return than paying off that loan? And you wanted to go ahead and put that into a commercial property or multi-family deal, or you wanted to go go into mobile home parks and invest in that you have so many options when you have cash, but you limit your options when you just focus on paying off the loan.

And interesting, like that word opportunity fund doesn’t exist with the layman. They have emergency fund. And as you can see what I do at my opportunity fund for when deals come along. My video, there is simple, passive casel.com/oh fun. But I use a little bit of infinite banking and some other more liquid investments in there.

Use that all the time. You work with a lot of clients, taking from the more high net worth guys who are a little bit more aggressive. What are some of the takeaways of aha moments that those guys are having or tweaks you’re having with those folks?

I think what’s really interesting is there can be this misleading idea that I just need to get. Better returns on my investments. And that’s the one and only strategy that I need to have in my financial life. And if you’re only looking at what you’re doing in your investing, you can be shortsighted to the foundations and the system that you’re putting in place.

It was interesting. I heard this the other day and I honestly can’t remember where it came from. So I wish I could credit the source, but they said. We all have systems in our life for everything. You have a system for your health, you have a system for how you eat. You have a system for how you sleep at night.

Now some of us have chaos as a system, but that still has system, and so when you think about your money and your finances, you want to have that in a system that is efficient and effective every step of the way. And so before the investing, you want to make sure that you’re keeping as much of your money as possible.

It’s not leaking and flowing out of your control. And then you want to protect that money. And if we’re not keeping as much as possible and protecting it, then it doesn’t matter how great we’re doing in our investments. If the rug can be jerked out from underneath us or the floor can fall out. And so when we’re talking with.

Any individual and a specifically high net worth individuals, a lot of times business owners. And if you own real estate, Chances are, you can think of that as a business. I think of all real estate investors as business owners, right? We’re in a position where you have this business that you’re growing.

If you think back to Robert Kiyosaki talking about this, he says a true business is one that can function with or without you in it. If you’re investing in real estate and you’re building up a real estate portfolio and you want to be in a position where that’s truly passive cashflow, like you talk about, you want to be in a position where that really is operated as a business.

In one of the ways that we see a lot of times, people are having money flooded, their control is taxes. And so I’ll just touch on this real briefly, but if you are paying any more dollars in taxes today, then you need to be, you are not as efficient as you could be. So think of this. If you were in a position where, you had $20,000 flowing out of your control in terms of taxes this year and every year, going forward over the span of 10 years, that’s $200,000.

What could you have put that into in terms of investing? And you talked about opportunity costs before we came on today, but the opportunity cost of having that money flow out of your control is that you could have invested it somewhere and created cash flow. You could have earned those cash on cash returns.

In the real estate instead. So for instance one of the ways that we see this happening is if you’re in a position where you’re not putting an entity structure around your business operations, if that’s your real estate, that could be what is your business in your case? You are then taking income from your business operations.

And if you’re taking those wages, that’s fully subject to self-employment tax. And when it really breaks down, this is your pain, the employer, and the employee portion of the Medicare and social security taxes, and it’s a complicated formula, but really it breaks down to about 15.3% self-employment tax.

So you have to pay that on any money that you bring from your business over as wages. And this business applies to, if you’re just a landlord with a few rental properties, you’ve got a business. So this applies to you. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And what you can do is you can restructure that payment.

To yourself still receive the same amount of money, but have a portion. If you’re an S-corp and you’ve formed a entity around your business, I believe this works as a C Corp as well. I would have to check specifically on that. I think it would just be a different terminology of the breakdown, but what you can do is you can pay yourself a reasonable salary.

Now. You can have the lowest reasonable salary possible that still is going to be subject to self-employment tax that 15.3%, but you can have the rest flow over as dividends. I think in a C Corp, it’s called distributions instead of dividends. But I think the strategy is the same. And I don’t want you to quote me on that, but at the same time, what you’re doing is you’re having the wages come over from the business where your real estate ventures.

And then on top of that, you’re having dividends and the dividends don’t have self-employment tax. So you’re saving that 15.3% on the portion that’s coming over as dividends. So like for instance, we had somebody who, they had a compensation from their S-corp. Of 128,000 and they were paying that all as wages.

And so instead they broke it down. They had an $80,000 salary and they had then 48,000 come over as a distribution. And so that saved them the 15.3% on 48,000. So it was about $7,300 a year that they saved on taxes just by changing their pay structure. And then they also were able to reduce their overhead.

They scheduled one staff member instead of two, where they didn’t need the additional person. They were able to have a central booking appointment strategy that they use. So some technology that they were able to use instead of the additional employee. And so that was another 40,000. And so what happened in that case is that was a savings of $47,000 per year.

And again, you might think that’s only $47,000, but if you add that up over the course of 10 years or so, 20 years, the rest of your life, what is the opportunity cost on having spent that money that you didn’t need to spend? So Rachel is talking in terms of businesses, this is where landlords out there with one or two rental cars, or maybe even got a bunch of syndication deals.

You know right now, interchange wages with rental income. So it comes in, a lot of us, I think, we’re smart enough to have LLCs comes into there, but right now you’re getting killed. Cause every single penny that you make out of that LLC is getting all that self-employment and all that Medicare or Medicaid tax.

Yeah. So what Rachel is saying, we’ll carve off a good portion of it. The more you make in that business, the bigger the amount you can carve off that you can shelter away from that self-employment tax, et cetera, which is huge. Then you’re in a position where you are thinking strategically about the future.

And what’s really interesting here lane is it’s not about, gaming the system, the tax system, really the tax code. I’m sure you’ve heard this before, but there’s thousands of pages. This thing is a beast and I would not prefer to personally read it, but there’s only a few pages that are about how to pay tax and the rest of this gigantic document are all ways.

Their roadmap to not pay taxes. And so you really need to be working with somebody who is knowledgeable about the tax code that really seeks to leverage it in your favor and not do unfortunately what most CPAs for common people do. And they say Hey, let’s just defer some money and not pay tax on it this year.

And that sounds like a great end of story. If we stop there, but you still are going to pay tax in the future. So you’re just kicking the can down the road and you end up with this big tax bill, the end, and especially for your audience and myself and our audience as well at the money advantage. If you’re looking to grow your wealth and increase your income, you’re going to probably be in a higher tax bracket in the future.

And I do not want that tax bill on a higher income in a higher tax bracket. And. With 19 trillion plus dollars in us debt right now. We’re in a position where if the government says, Oh, Hey, let’s go ahead and increase taxes and decrease tax brackets so that more people are paying more taxes in the future.

I don’t have control of that. And I certainly don’t want to be at that mercy. So I don’t want to just defer tax, which is a fancy way of saying postpone. I don’t want to just postpone taxes until the future. And that’s what a lot of times you’ll hear. As a tax strategy and it’s really not a tax strategy.

Yeah. And what you just said just drives me crazy all the time. Most CPAs don’t have a freaking clue what they’re doing. That’s why they have that job. And that’s why I sit at home in my shorts all day long. Not to say that, Hey, I’m not a CPM, not a lawyer.

This is where you have to learn these strategies and you’re not going to be the one, this can potentially be a little dangerous, right? Yes. If you go overboard with these proportions you possibly can get audited, but yeah, reasonable salary. That doesn’t mean you’re going to say, Oh, my reasonable salary is $1 and the rest of my money is coming over, without self-employment tax.

That is, that’s stepping over the line and here’s the line and you want to be working with a tax strategist that says, okay, I understand the lay of the land and the landscape. And I’m willing to walk up to that line. But I’m not going to cross over. And that’s the piece that instead a lot of CPAs will just say Hey, I’m just going to stay as far away from the line as possible.

And that’s where a lot of money gets left on the table. And unfortunately way too many people are in that position where they say I have the best CPA in the world. And yet they’re still leaving a lot of money on the table. So again, it is not about doing things that are illegal, that can land you in a huge amount of hot water.

Absolutely. Would never recommend that. But what you want to do is understand how to proactively leverage the tax code. And here’s my analogy. This stuff is like doing a surgery, rachel and I aren’t going to do surgery on ourselves, period. We’re not even doctors. No, but we can recommend possibly.

Hey, why don’t we do this? Have you heard of this other operation? And if your CPA is like any other CPA out there, they haven’t even heard of the damn thing. So maybe you have to go to first a CPA who can do that operation but also even good CPAs, they’re just looking for the easy way out more times than not, they don’t want any kind of odd potential audit in the future, even though it is totally legit, they just want to do what’s easy.

So you as the client, like I always say, you’re the boss. You’re the property manager works for you. You need to tell him what you want within reason. Same thing here, your CPA works for you. You need to tell them what you’re going for and need to hear them out. If not, you need to get a new CPA, issue and get to someone who is legit.

And I can do this stuff for you, but yeah, that’s never do it without a CPA. You are using their recommendations. Now, what you want to do is ask yourself, is this the CPA for me? Are they going to help take me to that next level? And a couple of questions you can say is, are they meeting with me outside of tax season?

That’s just one really good. Almost indicator or a marker. Are they concerned with helping me strategize? Outside of just saying, okay, what did you already do? And how can we react to what you did in your business and your real estate and your investing and all of those things, really?

You want somebody who’s going to help you plan ahead so that you use the right deductions so that you apply the right things in your strategy and process so that you can take advantage of the tax code. So a lot of people have been sending me their CPAs and, cause I’m trying to build a list of good folks to work with.

Some people only want to work with people locally. So my quick interview sheet with these guys is like, Hey, have you heard of land conservation easements you? What they say that what I don’t want to hear them say is ah, I never even heard of that. What does that, okay. I’m not here to educate your CPA.

And then number two, I want them to understand the dangers and risks of it, but I want to ultimately hear, yeah, we’ve done them in the past and for the right situation, we’ll do it. Yeah, definitely not that first answer, but that’s my quick and dirty way of vetting CPAs. It’s interesting.

And I’ll just say this, I’m not a CPA. I work in financial services and really what we help people do is increase their cashflow. Like we talk, we’re talking about cashflow strategies and so what makes me aware of all these different things that can happen in a person’s financial life? We also do a lot of work with privatized banking and alternative investments.

So that’s where we come into play. So I really just, I want to make sure that I’m not at all painting the picture that I am a CPA because I’m not. And I’m not a CPA at all. What else? No more than some of them. I do. But at the same time, you need to work with someone who is certified. And one thing that we have done on our show, we had Mike interviewed, we interviewed him and he wrote the book called profit first.

He also wrote the pumpkin plan and toilet paper entrepreneur, really great guy. And he focuses on making sure that you have profit in your business and in your personal life. But more than just having a high revenue and that message is amazing. And he actually has established a network of tax professionals as well.

That’s the profit first professionals and that’s really one way that you can step in the right direction of saying, how can I make sure that I’m maximizing my profit? So Rachel and I are not advocating to doing this stuff yourself, no home surgeries here. Absolutely not. So I wanted to talk about something for myself personally, that I was working on that you and I were talking about earlier, it’s using your home as like a meeting place, little go to tax deduction for potentially what, 10 to 20 grand a year or something like that.

It depends. I live in Hawaii, so it’s expensive. Yeah. So yeah here’s what this breaks down to. And again, this is a part of the tax code. So it’s actually been referred to as the Augusta rule or corporate rent. What happens is there’s a portion of the tax code that makes a rental property.

And so you have a rental property. That you pay tax on your rental income is something that is not short term. You’re renting at least 15 or more days a year. But if you’re at 14 days of rental or less than the income that you receive from that is not subject to tax. So here’s what it looks like.

You own a house and you’re in Hawaii. And your listeners are probably, I ran because it makes no sense though. Okay. But either way. Smart then that’s awesome. Yeah. So say you did own the property or you’re in California or wherever you live and you’re in a position where you say I want to rent out my home.

This kind of started well, it was brought to light by People in Augusta, Georgia with the masters playing the masters tournament and they would rent out their homes during tournament week when they had all the golf fans coming into town. And it was a fascinating to me because they could easily rent their homes for $7,500 a day because of the demand, the hotels couldn’t handle the volume.

And so they’re saying, okay, here’s what the market is doing and how much we can rent our homes out for. And it was two people who were coming in from out of town. Now you can rent your home. Anyone can rent their home, their personal residence up to 14 days a year. You could rent it to people who are coming into town, your neighbors, you could rent it to people coming in town for an event, football games, whatever.

But what you want to do is you can also say anyone who’s renting that the income that I receive, it fits 14 days or less. I don’t pay tax on that money. When I receive the rental income. So my business can be a renter of my personal residence. So there we go. And lane, I would have to check on that strategy.

Cause I haven’t had somebody ask me if they currently rent their residents. Can they rent it out to their business? I think so. I think so. But yeah, we have to check we’ll check. Yeah. So I know if you own it, you can. So what you’re able to good example, right? Like here, we don’t know the answer, but we’re going to ask the question the right way to not have a CPA.

Just say you can’t do that. That’s dumb like that. Now I got to knock and go meet my tee time at three o’clock. Exactly. You want to make sure that they understand what this means, and this is just one amazing strategy, but from your business, you’re then able to pay yourself personally. What would be reasonable to rent out that home.

And again, in Hawaii, it’s probably much higher than in the same bread basket of the U S or if you’re in California on the coast, you’re going to have a much higher cost of renting. So you want to have a reasonable cost. If you could rent another similar house for a thousand dollars a day, you’re not going to charge 20,000 to your business.

That would be ridiculous. But you want to have that be comparable. But then what happens is the business or your business that surrounds your real estate investing or your investing in general then can pay yourself personally. What happens is that’s a deduction on the side of the business.

So they’re not paying tax on that because it’s a deductible business expense on the personal side that comes to you as non taxable income, you don’t have to report it on your tax return. So what’s happening is that you’re, it’s an additional way to get money out of your business without paying tax on that particular portion of the money.

And so we’ve seen this in, say for instance, in our area you could rent for about $1,400 a day or so. So you stack that up over times 14. I’m going to go ahead and do the math on that. I didn’t plan that in advance, but let’s just say 1400 times, 14 days. That’s 19,600. If you’re in a, I don’t know, say 30% tax bracket here.

That’s. 58 80 in tech savings on using that strategy over the course of the year. Do you follow me on that math? It’s like cheating to me, but Hey, it’s this fall in the tax rules? It is definitely following the tax rules. And again, now don’t go overboard. You can’t charge something that’s unreasonable. You can’t go over the 14 days or all of the income yours is subject to tax then.

And I also heard of I haven’t done this before, this is what’s been told to me is that you’ve got to go through the exercise of getting some bids. I’m going to go call up three hotels in Waikiki, see what their absolute Haley price and build a note and say, Hey, we’re just going to take the average, which is 14,800, whatever.

Exactly. Exactly. And so yes, you do have to do the research. You have to document it has to be a business purpose that your business was renting the house for. So that could be client meetings. It could be meeting of your. Directors or your owners of the business. There’s many different ways.

You can have your annual business meeting there, but it does have to be documented. And again, like any strategy specifically on the tax side, everything has to be extremely well-documented. You can deduct anything that is a business use if you have a personal expense, that is a business use as well.

There’s ways that you can deduct that. But again, it has to be very clearly and articulately documented that there was a business use for that. So whether that’s travel or there’s law changes. So I don’t want to be too specific, but there’s a lot of things that you can deduct, but you have to have a clear business purpose.

I know you can do that with a C car and that’s why I’m looking to switch to a C Corp personally, but do you know if you can deal with the S-corp or just a regular LLC? I know you can with an S Corp and again, S Corp C corporate, just the taxation structure around the entity.

So the LLC is not a tax structure. We have a great interview on our podcast as well. I can give you the link to it later, that kind of articulates more of that. Yeah, she did that over and then I’ll put that in the show notes, just with all your other stuff links into there.

Perfect. Yeah. That’s, it’s just another idea of maybe that Augusta road won’t be around forever, but for the time being, Hey, that’s free money. You gotta grab it. That’s absolutely true. And again, it’s taking advantage of the current circumstances and knowing what’s available to you and yeah, it may not be available forever.

It might not be even next year, but right now that is available. And you can do some research on that as well, but it’s it’s part of the tax code and they were going to do away with it altogether, but there was a lot of lobbying that said, Hey if we’re only renting out up to, the short term under 15 days, 14 or less, Per year, can we still keep those tax advantages?

And they came back and ruled that yes you can. Yeah. Yeah. It definitely has a fly under the radar thing. Cause I think what the weather big push on that is the short-term rental guys. Those are like the majority of people trying to fight for that 14 day rule or less. Oh yeah. And the Augusta people are just flying under the radar or people like us doing this.

Absolutely. Any other takeaways, a little tips that you can leave us and then you got to go here soon. I would say probably the number one additional thing that we see as a money leak is sometimes the money that people think they’re saving. And this again, is something that I see coming over from the typical way of thinking about money and gets almost Into our mindset in our mind frame, even when we move up in income and we move up in investing, we’re in a position where we’re still hearing this financial noise of the culture around us that says, Hey, max out your 401k.

And so I just want to talk to that for a quick second. That might be a great strategy for you or for someone else. However, it’s really important to understand what is happening and how it works. And so one thing I don’t like is when I hear someone say I’m saving money for retirement, I’m saving in a 401k.

Now, when you’re deferring. The tax on money and you’re putting it into a basket of mutual funds, which is invested in stocks and bonds. That is crappy investments. Exactly. They are. And I would absolutely agree with you on that. But when you’re investing, when you’re putting that money into the stock market, that’s investing that is not savings.

Savings is something where you know, that money is not going to drop in value. It’s going to be there for you. We’ve seen way too many people actually came into the industry after 2008, when I saw so many people that I was not able to help, I was working for a rental car company at the time and walking passengers to their car in the pouring rain and just seeing the devastation on their face.

They literally were losing half their life savings because they had put money in the stock market and they saw it wiped out overnight. And it was just terrifying to me. And I said, Oh my goodness. I never want to personally be in that position. But how can I help people as much as possible to not be in that financial position?

And so I just want to say, if you’re putting money into qualified retirement plans, a that’s not saving. Because it can, the bottom can fall out. And it also is not the ideal way to plan for the future. And I’ll say a few things on that. One is that if you see a balance, say it’s even a million dollars. And I know that this has been, Hey, if I get a million dollars, which you’re your audiences far beyond thinking that a million dollars is the end all be all.

Because they know that’s not enough to create the lifestyle that they want in the future, but say you did get that much on your account statement. It says you have a million dollars in your 401k. You’re in a position where that money doesn’t even all belong to you. The government has a portion of that, that whatever they decide to tax in the future, when you take that money out, that belongs to them.

So that 1 million doesn’t even fully belong to you. So not only is it not safe, it’s also not a guarantee that. Full balance belongs to you. So what we really want to look at instead is understanding, do I want my money in a position that’s safe? Do I want it in a place where I can access it and use it?

Oh, that’s the other thing you can’t take the money out without paying the tax. And if you’re under 59 and a half, you’re going to pay an additional tax penalty as well. So it’s not really liquid. It’s not available for you to say, Hey, I just want to take out this whole million right now and go invest that into.

Investments with lane. There’s no way that they can do that. And so really you want to have money that’s accessible to you. And that’s where we typically are looking at higher leverage strategies and things like privatized banking, which I know that you’re familiar with that as well and saying, how can I have this money in a storage tank, if you will.

That is liquid. Then I can use it and I have control, right? Yeah. I don’t have any qualified retirement plans myself. No self-directed IRAs. No. No, I think Europe, these are okay. If you guys have a lot of 401k money and you don’t want to take the big AGI hit in one year, I think that’s a good option.

Then you don’t have to unify tax, but going down a rabbit hole there. But yeah, I heard somewhere like the biggest source of income, potential income for the IRS. Qualify retirement plans, which are the 401k’s. You can bet they’re going to get at it somehow. So again, you get away from what regular people are doing.

Absolutely. Yeah. And maybe I’ll correct myself, the 401k and mutual fund stuff. It’s not, the investments are crappy. It’s just the fee structure, the hint of fee structures. Like what, taking that 10% away from all the gains at least. It definitely, it takes a lot.

And it’s just interesting because the fees are fixed and you can have your money fluctuate up and down. And the challenge with that is that if you are down, the management fee is still taken out, which means you’re going down even more negative. And when you go negative, you have to tremendously overcompensate with a gain to just get back to even, and.

This is again a whole nother subject, but if you lose half, if you lose 50%, it takes a hundred percent return to compensate for that. And so it’s just fascinating to me. When I look at somebody, if you had a thousand dollars and you lost let’s say you lost 90% you’re at a hundred thousand dollars, you lost 90% of your down to $10,000.

It’s going to take you a 900% return to get back up to. Just to just breaking even. And so yeah, you want to be in a position where you’re not just looking at the average or not just trying to have your money stay in it for the long haul and have those management fees taken out. Absolutely. Yeah, check out Rachel’s podcast the money advantage podcast and she’s got a program, so we’ll link that up in the show notes along with some other notes that we have here.

And yeah. Thanks for coming on, Rachel. I appreciate it. Absolutely. Lane, thank you so much for having us today. And again, Bruce was not able to join us, but this is just been really a pleasure talking with you today. It’s really exciting to talk with like-minded people who really, I know. Yeah.

That’s why we do the mastermind. I’m so tired of people looking cross sided with me when I’m telling them I don’t have any 401k. I don’t either. Yeah. All right. Thank you.

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Hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. Today, we are going to be talking to a non-accredited investor, trying to get started. I’ve known this person for a couple of years now. She’s actually helped me out with the syndication. E-course. A couple of years ago. If you guys haven’t seen that, I checked that out, but she was helping me put this together and she’s been trying to get her portfolio for some turkeys herself.

But yeah, Jennifer, why don’t you introduce yourself and tell us how you fell into this world as simple passive cashflow. Hey, Wayne. Thanks for having me. So yeah, I’m a management consultant and early on in my first year of working full time I had discovered pretty early that I wanted to invest in real estate.

And I started to just listen to some podcasts, which is where I came across. Simple, passive cashflow, and I really fell in love with the thought of having just a passive income, to just substitute for eventually my current income. Having gone through a lot of different like trial and errors between.

Going for a turnkey property. And then also, just trying to invest locally. I’m currently in the New York area. And I thought that I could get an investment property around the New York or New Jersey area and just going through that and realizing that the cashflow and all of that just wasn’t there.

I went back to, turnkeys and just going through a lot of different types of providers. And now I’m just at the state where. I think the market is just so competitive that you’ll eventually have to complete and assign on a property within just a couple of hours.

And you’re really only able to, back out of the deal. If something comes up during the. Review process. So this is where I’m staying between, like trying to look for a turnkey property going into maybe a different market. And yeah, I’d love to just hear your thoughts lane.

Yeah. So a lot of people that are listening, they’re either just getting started in your shoes. Or they’re older and they maybe have kids our age and they want to maybe give them a little bit insight of what it’s like working as a six-figure person in New York. Is it all sex in the city and dinner parties and, where John legend shows up in places at all?

What’s it really like? How are the hours like yeah. Yeah, that’s a good question because I think that had a lot to do with the reason why I wanted to do this passively because the hours are rough. Like I would say. And my first year I was working a solid, like 80, 90 hours a week.

It’s gotten better over the past few years, but not substantially I’ll what time do you show up? Like you work banker’s hours, like 10:00 AM to 10:00 PM or and so I’ll show up between eight or nine, and then I’ll usually be there to 10 or 11, like what do you y’all do?

Like at five, six o’clock do you guys get dinner or yeah, we order food. Yeah it’s nice when there’s like an expense budget and all that stuff, but I think you ended up seeing like your teammates much more than in your family. Yeah. Yeah, crazy. Crazy. So for all that, you get paid about a little over a hundred grand a year.

And talk to us a little bit about the bigger personal finance situation, like you were living on Manhattan for a while, and then you moved back in with parents. Talk to us about that decision process. Yeah. Yeah. So I think with those hours it’s really hard not to live nearby the office, unless of course you’re like traveling.

And my first year I thought I would just travel like Monday through Thursday and then just be around, on the weekends. But I think I quickly realized that a lot of my projects were actually local, so I needed to get a place in the city. So I. Previously I was paying, a good amount of money in rent.

And I think ever since the pandemic started, , I felt like I should just go home and save that since now we’re all working remotely. Okay. And then what were you paying for rent originally? So I had a deal where it was like 1400 a month. So it’s considered like pretty good for New York standards?

Yes, it was definitely like a closet, but yeah, so overall net worth under $200,000 Jennifer here was not born with money, like a lot of us. I think most of us listening, if you even listened to a podcast, I think we could probably safely say that you are not born with money.

You’re here to learn and grow your net worth. And I call all us first-generation wealth. Yeah. So that’s kinda cool. So you decided to move back in with your parents to pocket that money and put it to investments. Which is cool. Those are the hard decisions, right?

I think some other people are like, they do that house hacking thing, but I just think that’s a little ghetto, right? Who wants to live with their tenants? It’s with crap. My style.

Yeah. Yeah. I considered it going to New Jersey, but even then it just wasn’t really working out the numbers. Oh, I’ve never been to New Jersey, but it just hear it all in all the sitcoms and I want to be in New Jersey. Okay. We connected maybe a couple years ago and you started, okay. I got this video here.

I’m going to tease you a little bit. This is the Dave Castro best ever. This reminds me of when you were trying to do your first turnkey rental. So if you guys can see on the podcast farm, you have Dave cash or the CrossFit games guy he’s doing this, deadlift and he’s struggling with it for like over 30 seconds.

This totally reminds me of your struggle with the turnkeys and I will give it to him, but anyway, take us back to when you first started where did you go down and then maybe some people don’t make the same mistakes that you did. Yes. Yeah. So I would say like the mistakes that I’ve made where I would say the first two years I was just fearful. And I definitely went into analysis paralysis mode. I analyze so many different markets. Just talk to a lot of different providers. And at the end of it, I just didn’t feel like I could even make a real decision. And I was just like fearful of this like long distance investing.

And then I decided to switch up strategies, which ended up stalling more time of Oh, let me just look nearby New York and New Jersey to try to. I dunno, like by fixer-upper and then renting it. I remember that, I think that was like 18 months ago. And I was like, all right.

I won’t probably won’t hear about you again. But that’s just how I am as like a mentor. You guys have to make the mistakes and take the time. Yeah. Yeah. So I think quickly after that I realized I know nothing about fixing anything up, so I would have to contract everything out and it was just like a project management nightmare.

If I really got into it and the numbers aren’t even like attractive, you’re still negative every month. Yeah. But didn’t you see all the bigger pocket bros doing this, that burst strategy. Like it’s easy. Anybody can do it. But that’s what I thought until I realized it wasn’t yeah.

I think you can, I’m surely I think you can, but is it worth your time? You’re not some dude making 30, 40 grand a year. You’re working 80 hours a week. Yeah. Yeah. Even just commuting to New Jersey, I realized just was a little bit too much for me to go and see the properties.

I think it’s just like indecision. I think it’s important to come up with a good strategy upfront. And yeah, I think I know lane, like you recently came up with the remote investor incubator and I think having a group of people. To bounce ideas off of and talk to, and all that.

I thought that was really helpful too, to kind of cement, the idea is that your thinking and beliefs and just like limiting beliefs and all of that kind of just clarifying and helping Streamlined just it’s just peer group, right? And using peer pressure to your advantage.

How many of us smoke cigarettes when you’re in a circle of other people when you’re a teenager? I didn’t do that, but actually for the young people, they don’t understand that. Cause everybody knows cigarettes are bad for you and they don’t want to do that. But we’ll keep with the analogy, but in the incubator group, everybody’s taking a dive into the Lake and going remote and just doing it, doing a little bit of due diligence on the neighborhood, and then just diving in with the right people that we’ve worked with in the past.

But let’s go to this this other spreadsheet that you’ve put together here. So you also, or another one of these people, and I usually teach the computer programmers who do this, but. You have amazed me that you’ve put one of these things together yourself. So this is the infamous thing that a lot of people will do when they first get it started, create this big spreadsheet.

She have some bunch of formulas and data that they grabbed from God knows where and to figure out which city to invest in. So yeah. Why don’t you walk us through this? How do you use this? Where did you, okay, where did you get the data from for all this stuff? Yeah, I got it from a mix between Google and like the labor statistic, like a government market, sites.

And then another city data. Okay. Citi data.com. Yup. Good resource little old data, especially if you’re looking right now, since we’re doing a census right now, but. It’s for those of you guys listening on the podcast, swarm. This is pretty crazy spreadsheet with some conditional formatting that lights up green, certain areas.

I don’t know why, but on the left side we had the cities here. Just, this is just probably if I’m hearsay, right? You’re just hearing from other investors. You just put them on. You have 41 markets while these population 2000, 2018. You just manually grab this from the same data source. Okay. And then you figure it out, which is the increasing population areas.

Okay. Yup. Yup. Okay. Yeah. It’s like kind of craziest Frederick I guess the green is the first to be like, Oh, you know what? The numbers are looking good. Like you can consider this a good market. Yeah. Super logical. I think it’s great. You want to be looking for places where the population is going up and the ear of the median income is going up in medium house.

This is actually. Pretty good data right here. This, if I were to make a new column for you, if you take the average or the medium household income, and then go like 80% of it is usually the general rule of thumb. That’s usually what you want to be looking for as your rental property.

One thing that I take exception to this whole spreadsheet is like the markets on the left side, some of them are big. MSA is like Baltimore. And then some are very small, like center point is a sub-market of Birmingham, right? Like Atlanta’s humongous and Houston is huge, humongous, 3 million population right there.

It’s you can’t really compare it with a port Charlotte, Florida or little rock Arkansas. Like these are more, you have some tertiary and secondary markets combined on here, but I understand what you’re trying to do, but like Houston, for example, it’s gone up 39% medium household income, but there’s within Houston.

There’s probably dozens of. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, which is a tertiary market that makes up, in Eastern Pennsylvania. So just keep that in mind, maybe if you were to separate the secondary and tertiary markets and it’d be a little bit better, but, Yeah. I think in the incubator, I noticed a lot of people will do something like this.

And I usually have you guys go off on your own and waste your time doing something like this for a couple months. And then somewhere around a week, our fourth call. Cause we do bi-weekly calls. I’m like, all right, perfect. You guys have done your research. No, that was just all a waste of time, but it’s cool.

You guys know where to find the data so that when you do get the real data points of actually going and buying properties and you see how it operates, you can refer back to your original hypothesis and kind of correct yourself. So that’s great. You put on crime here. I don’t know. Crime is really subjective.

Prime is like block the block, some market to some market and then job growth is good. I like that. Okay. No, I think once you exactly what you want to do. And then tell me how many hours were you spending on like the first year of the struggle and the second year of the struggle?

Like how many hours were you going into this? Oh, man, I’m stuck between talking to. Property managers, turnkey providers, and just trying to do doing analysis and stuff, I would say yeah, definitely like maybe three, four, three to four hours a week, take, give and take a little bit per week.

When did you do this? Like on the weekends or on the weekends? Yeah. When the days were particularly tough, I was just like, I need to do something passive income. Okay. Yeah. I’m not going to lie. Like you are properly. The person who struggled with this, the longest of everyone I’ve seen.

Right.

I am amazed that you’ve stuck through this more than six months, but hopefully you make people feel good at home because there’s sure there’s somebody listening that is just lurking and probably done the same thing. But as you saw, when you were in the incubator, we pulled you out of this in a couple of months, right?

So you don’t waste the time. And that kind of goes to the bigger point, like bigger picture. Like you got to figure out what your highest and best use. In this two-year period, you got promoted. We talked to us a little bit about that and I think that really tipped the scales for you where you what became your highest and best use.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So I think getting promoted there’s that pay bump. And I think that once you know a little bit. More of what you’re doing. The hours aren’t as terrible. You have some people helping you out and supporting you so you can disperse the work a little bit.

So I think over time, the job itself became a little bit more variable, but yeah, and I think that it was nice because after getting promoted, like. After some time I was able to come back home and save. Just like that additional income that I’m able to save down.

So hopefully I can use that to put that to some good use. Yeah. Because right after college you’re making what, like 70, 80 a year or something like that, which is not much in New York, but you were like minion status, which. I think that’s a sad thing. Like parents don’t remember that time of their career right.

Their first five years. So they just have to suck it up. I saw like a YouTube video of this. They call it the ground, find where you’re working along hours and then you have to go to the grocery store to pick up your shitty, lunch or dinner to eat by yourself and it’s raining and it’s cold.

And you only get to go home each or make your sandwich and You got to go to sleep. Cause you got to wake up early and go to work again. Nobody teaches that part of life to you, that grind in the beginning. Hopefully you feel like you’re coming up for air now. They got you off that rookie contract.

Oh yeah. Yeah, definitely. It’s a lot nicer and I completely agree. I thought getting a job was the end all be all. And that was. It knew of happily ever after, but yeah. Would you say that maybe this you’re not the right person to ask, but do you feel like you’re going to be promoted multiple times?

I call this being red circled, like in certain companies, they kind of circle you as. The chosen one, or someone that’ll push a couple of wrongs. I was never red circled, obviously. That was never special enough. But do you feel like that’s in the cards for you or? I think that it’s interesting because like my company.

They have like promotion tracks for everyone. So typically you’re promoted every three years. And if you Excel super quickly then you can do it in two years. And yeah. So it’s almost like preset path. Okay. Okay. Which is great for training monkeys. Cause you assume it a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because so most of my cohorts that buy apartments and Duke, this kind of stuff, we develop a mindset. If they’re still working their day job, they’ve developed a mindset of they hide from promotions in a way, because it takes away from their highest and best use, which is buying these investments.

But are you getting that type of feeling? Maybe because you haven’t started really investing in this stuff scene to scene that track launch, but where’s your head at now? If you can only choose one path, right? Either you go for the promotion, you stay on that fast pass, or do you think you’re going to just lay low and do the sort of bare minimum?

And just invest passively, right? Like how, when I was thinking, why would I want to work 50% harder to get 10% more pay when I could just buy a rental or two and create that passive income for the rest of my life? Yeah. Yeah. I think I’m definitely with you, eventually just thinking way into the future of potentially starting a family, like later on all that stuff, that was my initial thought I don’t think I want to be doing this forever. So I totally agree, like passively is what I’m hoping to do. Yeah. But in the meantime, I’m sure that there’s some optimal set point or maybe you have to, kick butt at a few more years or six years to get to that optimal point where you have the ideal management role.

Or the highest pay, but at least amount of work for them yeah. Pay or then you can kick it into cruise control. And then while investing passively, I think that’s the mix. Everyone’s a little bit different, but I think you’ll find that. But for now I would still keep working hard at your day job, but we got to fix this three, four hour a week.

Passive investing, like to me, if you’re spending more than five or six hours a month, Being a passive investor doing it wrong. Yeah. But, okay. So we went through a bunch of, dead ends with the turnkey stuff. Where are you at now? Where is the incubator pointing to you? What’s your next three month action plan.

Yeah. So I think three month action plan is to come up with, the market that I want. I guess in terms of finding a property, I think I’d like to find a property where I’m able to evaluate the property, given my shot at analyzing whether it’s a good investment. And then hopefully making the actual purchase.

Okay. So that was the Pennsylvania or the York folks we connected you with, right? That’s right. Yeah. I think right now, which is so competitive out there that you really don’t have time to analyze and yeah, you kinda just have to, go with it. And then if there’s anything during the inspection and.

You would you’d be able to back out. Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s, it’s always been like den. I think it will always be like that. If you’re going with turnkey providers that are legit, and this is what makes turnkey providers so hard, because if somebody is a good house, slipper, turnkey provider, they eventually stopped.

Doing rental properties for landlords, the rental grade, because landlord grade stuff is lower scope douchey only 50 to a hundred thousand dollars scope. It’s easy for them. So that’s where a lot of rookie start as they get better, they graduate to more higher end properties because that’s where the profit margins are.

It’s not like a cheapskate investor like us. Who’s only going to pay 1% rent to value ratio. They can sell it to some emotional buyer and get that nice pop. So the fact that they’re turnkey providers, it’s either they’re newbies or they have the really good marketing and now they upcharge the price of the homes to on sophisticated turnkey buyers.

So that’s just how it is. And it’s a little unfortunate because. I try and keep one foot in that world. And it’s hard for me to keep up because the people who are good, they graduate out of it. It’s like college basketball. I don’t know anybody in college basketball because they all the good ones leave.

So York, Pennsylvania has Pennsylvania where they’re close to you, but are you going to go with that one or are you going to just pick a different market? Yeah, I think I’m at the point now where I think I just need to pick a different market. Okay. Cause we had people in the incubator.

I know they’re in Cincinnati, Cleveland. I got folks in Jacksonville, Dallas, Texas. You’re not going to cash out there, Huntsville. I don’t think there’s turnkey out there. I got you covered in Birmingham center point. Memphis. I think Memphis is overplayed already, like Memphis personally, but Hey, it’s up to you, right?

But I would listen to me cause it’s all relationships, right? Atlanta, Georgia, you can’t cashflow there anymore. I’m not too connected in the Carolinas, so I can’t help you out there, but maybe an incubator, somebody else can Houston, you’re not going to be able to cash flow for single family there in Chicago, I would not go anywhere near Illinois.

Detroit. I would actually recommend Detroit and Gary Indiana, if you like Chicago, go to Gary Indiana. Kansas city, Missouri is getting low, expensive, Indianapolis, I think a lot of unsophisticated turnkey buyers have been going there for the last several years. So if you like Chicago or Indy, go to Gary Indiana, it’s like the place that people aren’t flocking to.

And that’s, what’s making this hard, right? Like every few months cycle by there’s another wave of unsophisticated. Oh, working stiffs, trying to get out of wall street into their first alternative asset, which is typically a turnkey rental. So it ain’t going to get any easier. Competition’s not going to be going down.

Yeah. And yeah I totally agree. I think my next step. Going back to your original question lane of the next three months, I feel like it’s just to reconnect with some people in the incubator just to see what specifically why they chose their market.

And maybe if you had to be able to get a property out there too. Yeah. Why recreate the wheel, just use the property manager. She used a broker, just people are nice. So she wants you join up. People help out their own. It’s like a sorority fraternity in a way. It’s like a cult.

Actually everybody wears the same bath slippers, but you’ve got these really neat rules, right? Thumb on median, household income and stuff right here, but, okay. So going back to your personal financial sheet, I want, I meant to just point out a few things. So student loans, you don’t have student loans.

Okay, good. What are you doing for your Roth? 401k, your retirement stuff that everybody says you should be doing. What’s going on there. So I put some into it, for my first two years, but I’m only putting what, I guess my company’s matching. Okay. Like 6% or something like that. Okay. And then, yeah, my Roth IRA I am maxing that out at 6.5 per year.

But I think I was really struggling with this whole real estate thing, because I know you talk about it all the time later about don’t put it in your IRA. Like you could just put it in like a real asset. So yeah, I’m hoping that once. I get this whole ball rolling with them real estate.

I’m able to, over the next few years, just start moving things over to hard assets. It’s not like you don’t have liquidity, right? You don’t have to pull the goalie to buy your first rental. You don’t have to pull your retirement, your Roth to buy that first rental you making good money.

You making the hard right decisions to live with your parents. I wouldn’t wish that upon anybody, but I think that’s the stuff that’s going to set you up. If you can do that for a few years, pick up a couple of rentals, you’ll be off your way. And then you quote, unquote, pull the goalie stepped in that retirement stuff.

Or to me it doesn’t make sense. Where’s your AGI right now? Or it was this year, last year, just under a hundred or. Yeah around them. Okay. And so the cool thing when you’re under a hundred grand is they allow you to take up the $25,000 of passive losses to lower this down to from a hundred down to 75.

So I did this for a couple years, a few years back, When you can use the passive losses to lower it. Once you go over 150,000, it’s gone from a hundred, 250,000. You’re phased out completely, but this would be like you can’t. When you go into a rental property on that, like a hundred thousand dollar rental property, the depreciation is not going to be that great.

One 27 of the building value is probably only equate to like a thousand or a few thousand dollars a year. But this is where like a syndication deal comes in, right? If you invested 40, 50 grand to pick up $25,000 of passive losses, you could use that in that same year to lower your AGI from a hundred to 75.

So that would be low-hanging fruit for you. If you wanted to do like a syndication, but yeah for those of you guys who are above 200, $300,000, AGI ropable and 50, that doesn’t apply to you guys. You guys have first world problems, but for those folks who are just starting out under a hundred thousand dollar AGI, that is low-hanging fruit to do for sure.

But yeah. Any other questions or any other? No. I guess last tips of like how to get this ball rolling. I think for you, it’s just mindset and I’m not really good at this stuff. I think you gotta find ways to get yourself moving forward. And I think for you, it’s just like, all right, I need to make a goal to buying a property and next month, and being like, all right you already know how to analyze it, right?

If people want to get my analyzer, it’s that simple pass the castro.com/analyzer. It’s free for everybody. You guys can underwrite your own properties. Your incubator students. So once you put it in there, Just put it in the group, send it to me for that final approval and yeah. Put in the offer and moved through to due diligence process, get inspector and let’s get going.

Don’t let it hang you up. Like I think we want to push you forward and give you the confidence that you’re not making a stupid mistake, but I think you just can’t do what you’ve been doing for the last six months. You gotta keep buying. And then also be mindful of how much time you’re spending on this thing.

Right? I guess it is goal-setting season this time of year, but there’s one thing I picked up where you have a goal, right? I don’t know, lose 10 pounds or buy five properties or whatever. Now think just simulate in your head, like, all right, I have to do this thing in the next 30 days.

You’re like, Oh, what do I do? And maybe it’s not realistic, but it helps you be like, all right, I got to do this. What would I do? What would I have to give up? What would I have to stop doing to make this goal come true to really make it happen? Maybe not 30 days, but seven days or three days.

If I had to lose 10 pounds in five days, what would I do? Maybe that’s not healthy or safe, but what would you do right now? It starts to makes things very clear and focus and all this other extraneous stuff just disappears. And I think that might be a good exercise for you to try out, right?

I tell you, so I have to buy property the next two weeks. First thing that should happen is you get a little twinge up your spine, if you’re like, Oh crap. And that’s good. And then you notice just observe what are the things that you were doing and that you think you would be doing that just go away?

Because I don’t have time. I have to buy property and next to it, I have to put an offer next two weeks. And just take note of that, because those are the things that you should stop doing. Got it. And then yeah. Use the peer pressure on your side. Find a couple of people that you can stay accountable to.

But maybe you’ve done that, maybe it’s not working for you. Yeah. There were a few people who volunteered to be my peer pressure person from the incubator group. Yeah. And how did you follow through or how did that go? Yeah. Yeah, no, I think the bi-weekly calls. It really help out, but like we just chat, like messenger and all of that stuff.

Just having to give updates is helpful. Okay. Yeah, but maybe at the end of the day, maybe buying a rental property, isn’t your thing, right? Maybe it’s just being a straight LP. Passive, right? Yeah. I used to think a long time ago that everybody could buy a turnkey rental.

And I was like, yeah, it’s a turnkey rental. Here’s one page document, figure it out. Turnkey. It’s called turnkey for a reason. A monkey can do this and then. A couple of years went by and I started to realize yeah, this isn’t something, not everybody can do.

Not everybody can call a property manager to be able to relationship with. Not everybody can work with a broker, not anybody can. I think that the first layer is like, who do you talk to? Cause it’s just a random people. You can’t go on Yelp or some random internet site to figure out who you’re working with.

You have to build relationships with other people. Who’ve done it before to get their referrals. And that requires a little bit of like relationship Jim Jitsu. And then I started to realize, yeah, most people cannot do this. Financial independence is not for everybody. And buying turnkeys is a lot harder than doing syndication deals as a passive.

And I started to I was like, I was trying to get my wife to do this. And I was like, she’s not an idiot, but I was just like observing. And I was like, yeah, there’s no way she’s going to do this. She just doesn’t have that the want or the aptitude or she doesn’t care to. And I realized, yeah, this buying a turnkey is not as simple as it sounds nor is it that great in my opinion, too.

But that’s where kind of the roads lead to eventually being a passive investor in many deals for diversification and scalability. So why not just go there automatically, but I like to see most investors get their feet wet with single-family homes to learn the business a little bit and get used to the ups and downs.

But maybe it’s just not for you and me. And that’s why I’m like, it’s exciting to see you progression your career because that maybe that’s your thing, right? Yeah. It ultimately comes down to what’s your highest and best use. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it’s nice having you in the incubator and I don’t know when the next time we’ll be launching it, probably maybe do a one or two classes per year.

But yeah, go to simple, passive cashflow.com/incubator. To learn more about that or check out the free turnkey guide@simplepassivecashflow.com slash turnkey and yeah. Thanks or listening guys. And we’ll see you guys next time.

Never Enoughitis w/ Robert Althuis

https://youtu.be/l8-bwpOvvSE

Lane here. If you haven’t yet go and download the buy-and-hold analyzer for single-family homes, you can get an Excel or Google sheet format and just go download it from our Google drive with the full explanation of all expenses on there to spot check for performance given to you.

If you want to get ahold of that, go to simple passive cashflow.com/analyzer. Or go check out simple, passive cashflow.com/turnkey to learn all about turnkey rentals. And you can also find it on that page too. The common person that we’re going to be talking about throughout today’s podcast is this type A theme a lot of us are very hard workers and we’ve been.

Taught to save our money relentlessly. Now, when people usually find me, their net worth is typically over a million dollars and they’ve just gotten accustomed to just saving their whole life. And just like myself. My first 10 years out of college, I was saving at least 50 to a hundred thousand dollars of my salary every single year, putting it to investments.

I grew up very frugal. You guys can learn all about my sheeple tactics by going through the website and looking at that list, simple pasta castro.com/cheapo, but I was working with a client and we realized that it just made sense for them to just rent in a foreign country and they had way more money than they needed.

And I was kinda thinking about this for myself. I went and bought these really expensive abroad James’ shoes is my favorite player and they’re expensive for some basketball shoes, but, within the pandemic, that’s really the only thing I do and I spend money on. So in the past, what I’ve normally done is just buy a cheaper pair of Nike’s that I get on eBay for 60 bucks.

But then I start to realize, you know what, I’m just going to use those expensive shoes, because for all I know I could die tomorrow and it would be sure a waste. You can take any of this stuff with you. That’s just one way I’ve been loosen up, trying to spend my money on more experiences or things.

If you call it like that. It’s not like it’s a Ferrari or anything like that, And lift more of that fat FY lifestyle, right? And people talk about this fire move in F I already financial independence, retire, extreme. Most people think of the penny pinchers, the node latte people, and they think of, living well below your means. And I think that’s great to get yourself up to that first hundred thousand dollars net worth and get into your first few investments.

But after a point, it can be very debilitating. Some of the most successful people out there are very generous with their money. And not like giving money to other people, but they have this propensity towards money to let it flow. Because they know they have the confidence that they can recreate it with either investments or creating in their job or business.

The last finding I found was, another person in our family office will a mastermind. That’s it’s a classic case, same thing, big saver, able to save 40 to $60,000 a year. And I say loosen up a little bit. I tell them, it’s I have the same problem, right?

There are things that I probably should buy that I don’t, because I still live with the same mentality. Yeah, you don’t do the math. I think a lot of us will be financially free in five to 10 years. And it would be ashamed if something happens with us and, we had less than two years to live.

I think when you start to invest alternatively, with all these great wealth building strategies, you could press that timeline to get to that bold so much quicker that it may not make sense to white knuckle your way there. Safe to the extreme, but loosen up because you’re going to get there quicker than most people.

If you haven’t yet, make sure you sign up for the Hutto pipeline club that we dumped pipeline Columbus or free investor club, where I filtered vestments and underwrite the numbers and partners myself. I like other investor lists and groups out there. You guys get to know me.

We do that onboarding fall. To learn more, go to simple passive cashflow.com/club. And enjoy the show. This one’s going to be good for you. Take 8% is out there.

Hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. , we are going to have Robert ultras, the founder of whisper, a mindfulness organization that provides coaching strategies and tools and techniques to help private clients in their businesses. A great book coming out here soon, never enough itis.

And we’re going to be talking about this because a lot of the listeners are very type a personality. I consider myself a type a, but I can be lazy sometimes too, thought it would be break from the normal topic material of real estate Roberts also in real estate development too.

But I think there’ll be a lot to glean from this interview, but yeah. Welcome Margaret. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you for making the time to having me on. explain this term of never enough itis. Yeah. So the the book came about actually as cell therapy I sold a big part of my business in 2015.

And, I found myself having everything accomplished, which I thought was going to make me happy. And yet I felt. Something was missing. I had a restlessness and emptiness about me and that kind of prompted me on a, more like a spiritual search, what else is there to life than just making money.

And and that’s ultimately culminated in writing this book, which when I was going through some personal trauma and I also had some financial setbacks, I had a hurricane that wiped out a business and Yeah, nothing like a good crisis or catastrophe to do, meet yourself and look yourself in the mirror and take stock.

And the book kinda came from that. I was kinda looking at, what had been driving me in my life and how I could turn that around because I really had become to be honest and a narcissistic asshole. And I felt that the man I saw in the mirror, wasn’t really the man I wanted to be.

And so I started making some changes and. I think never enough as the title comes from this notion that we’re just always chasing more and it comes from this sense that we’re not enough. And we forget to look at all the beautiful things that we have in life already. We don’t live in the present moment, we’re always debating the past, then we’re peering into the future and we’re just on this carousel and forget to live life. And I think if you’re able to stop and ponder and think if you’re a narcissist, you probably aren’t and probably has a little bit of self-awareness there.

But I think that’s something, a lot of people that are listening, as their net worth grows, half a million million, 2 million, 4 million and above, they start to get to this idea. They’re just constantly going after the next thing I know personally, there was a number that I had in my head that.

I surpass that. I thought that I’d be super happy when I would get there, but it just came and went, but what was your moment where you hit this epiphany? That moment. When I sold like a large chunk of my business, I had a big payday, remember I was flying back from Bogota where that business was, and I was back on my way to Miami, driving, going to live in an ocean front community, a beautiful wife and kids and all the toys and all, everything.

And I was like, There’s something missing. I’m just not happy with this. This stuff is not filling me up. And my marriage, I’ve been so dedicated to my work and my career. I mentioned marriage suffered. I wasn’t the father that I wanted to be. And so I started analyzing that, what else is there and why am I doing this?

And I’m a capitalist at heart and I believe in the capitalist system and I believe that it motivates us. I just think that money is an amplifier. And when we have narcissistic behavior you just become a bigger narcissist with more money. When we are a good solid person, we have our integrity in place.

We have our values and our principles in place, money is just going to amplify that goodness at us. And I had lost myself in the game. And that was really the conclusion for me. I needed to get back to having integrity and showing up and living my truth.

And, there was my book details, a lot of different things where I got lost and I was doing high-level business and, in Latin America predominantly but I did it for GE as well. And it’s not always pretty what happened, and so you have to own that stuff and to look at it.

And is that the way I want to show up is that what I want to contribute to this world? And I’m a big believer that everybody’s true satisfaction is really making a contribution. Of some sort to this world, which could be, creating a business could be being a mother. It could be being a volunteer somewhere.

It could be being a doctor and, finding out some medicine that we don’t have today. But, I’m a big believer that, when we really want to fill ourselves up with what we do, we want to make sure that what we do has a purpose bigger than ourselves, and that can be translated into anything really.

It’s not limited what that looks like. And our listeners listening right now and they’re like, all right, I want to make a change. I don’t want to be forced to make a change. It seems like most people, they need to have some kind of thing to happen to them. But what are some things that they can ponder or changes made so that they can proactively make a change for a little bit of a better.

Yeah, I you’re absolutely right. We tend to learn humanity, right? Learns through crisis and catastrophe. That’s where we wake up and Holy crap, I need to do something about it. And that could be, a major illness. It could be a divorce, it could be, financial losses or whatever that tends to wake us up and do something where we don’t have to learn it that way we can obviously take a look under the hood.

And I think what I always tell people. Is the first thing you need to do is get a North star and your North star is the spiritual vision for your life. And that’s not necessarily a whole roadmap of airing you’re going to do, but I think you got to have something that gives you direction. And what you want to create in your life.

What’s important to you and, what’s that vision that you have for your life. I call it a spiritual vision because I think your soul once express itself in this life, for whatever you’re doing, everybody’s got unique gifts and talents and superpowers. And those we got to tap into because that’s going to be our most aligned work, our most successful flow state type of endeavors.

And we’re going to be most financially abundant there because. That’s going to come easy to us. So find your spiritual vision, get really clear about what you want to create, how you want to show up in life and then start taking congruent actions. Now, as a second offshoot of that is we can see what am I life is toxic right now.

That’s going to be people. It could be environments that could be situations that we look up or. That we’re part of, and, I think a big step is lose the toxic news in your life. And clean that up. So you surround yourself with the people that are going to support you in this vision that you have.

And then the third part is we all have limiting beliefs because we’re just mushy little humans. And we grow up and we have all these beliefs that start selling in when they’re in our childhood and, we’re in feta state. So we were very impressionable and, we have wounds and scars because we go through life, we get hurt, we get disappointed.

We have stuff that happens to us. And so it’s a good exercise to look at us and say, okay what are some of the things, the patterns that I can see in my life that I’m recreating all the time, that aren’t necessarily serving me. And once you got a drill down there, that’s the effect, right?

So what’s the cause of that. And the cause is always some kind of belief that you have, which could be like, I’m never lucky. There’s no good men in this world. I never make more than this much money, it could be anything I could never be this way. I could. Any limiting belief is basically a ceiling on where you’re going to go in life.

And once we can start addressing that, we can remove these artificial ceilings, cause it’s just fog and your beliefs, triggers, thoughts, flaws triggers your emotional body, your feelings and your emotions. That’s going to drive your actions and that’s going to get you results. So you have to address it at the belief level.

Yeah. There was a guy that we had on the podcast. My buddy Chris rush. Actually I haven’t seen the guy in a couple of years when Robbie’s doing it, but I remember. Great example of surrounding yourself with the right people. Like he had this thing where he would write down living beliefs. He had like about six or 12 of them.

I saw the list. I didn’t read it out to him, privacy, but he was there. He showed it to me and then say, he said, yeah, every like few months I go in there and I look at it and I try and add another one. Don’t I’m trying to get that next layer. And then I’m trying to work on one of those limiting beliefs, but that was a pretty good tactic.

Yeah. And working on limiting beliefs are actually decisions we once made and we then automated in our subconscious mind. So really the way you address a limiting belief is you make a different decision. And then you find the evidence in your life or anybody else’s life that supports that new decision.

And that’s how you actually change the neuroplasticity in your brain. Because just thinking or affirmations is not enough. It doesn’t change. Believes have really deep grooves, right? Like a record player. And so they get out of those grooves. You gotta make a new decision.

Can you tell me one here with an intro verdad mindset, it’s harder to open up for those folks. How can they rely on outside source for support, support? First of all, everybody’s supportive because this university is abundant and I only get depends on being introvert or extrovert.

I’m a big believer that the biggest challenge for us is to show up in a really authentic way, because we have so much societal programming, so much cultural beliefs, so much of our upbringing, potentially religious dogma, and all these things influence us and they make us believe we have to be something somehow.

And, part of, I think really getting to our core essence is stripping away the societal programming, I call it bullshit rules and really get to our core and what are you’re introverted or extroverted? That’s just a personality trait. I don’t think it’s going to stop you from attaining the success that you want to have in life.

There’s many introverts that are extremely successful, even successful salespeople. Yeah. So the most of the listeners here are higher paid working professionals. A lot of times to get to that point in your career, it is a bit of a toxic environment that people who are more stoic, more closed off, rise to those positions.

At our recent mastermind, we had almost a hundred participants. Average net worth was $1.9 million. So it was a high level group that came out virtually. And it was hard for me to get people loosened up because everybody has this corporate America kind of mentality, yeah. I don’t, I don’t know any tick. Maybe you can give some insights in how to loosen up. Yeah. I talk a lot about this in my book. I was a stoic when I was in my, the front of my career. And I was merciless. I was heartless. I would go over dead bodies to go what I needed if you go.

And that became worse as there was more money at stake and I’m so much, Oh, I shot my wife out. I was very unexpressed in that sentence and there’s there’s a lot of work around the masculine, the feminine energies that we each have. And the heart is the Citadel, the feminine energy.

And it’s really where we feel. It’s also where we’re vulnerable. And, when we open up the vulnerability, we want to be heart-centered, we have to open up our heart, we have to share. And that’s not something that men especially in our culture are encouraged to do because from a very young age were little boys like boys don’t cry, you’re tough.

You gotta be fearless. You swallow all these emotions and feelings. So it doesn’t surprise me in this corporate environment and the type of audience that you have that. People feel like you can’t really share that side of you. The irony is, or the paradox is I’ve come to find out that when you’re vulnerable and you share your heart you’re actually become indestructible and invincible because, you can only be hurt when someone is trying to protect something.

But you can’t kick it in an open door. And so when you share your heart and your heartfelt and you share maybe some of the things that, your fears, your worries, or some of the things that aren’t going well in your life, you’ll be hard pressed to find anybody that’s gonna in any way take advantage of it.

What are they going to do? Because you just shared the truth. You owned it. It’s actually, when we hide it and we try to, paint this picture on the outside, this kind of, we live by our social media accounts and by our LinkedIn profiles. And we want to look at this perfect, smart and successful.

There’s a lot of vulnerability actually in that, because now we’re very vulnerable because, we’re not like that. We, none of us are perfect. We screw up all the time. We make mistakes, things don’t go we have fights with our spouse or our friends or family members.

Anyway, life is messy. It’s messy for all of us. Yes. And just being human about that and discussing that in an open way, in my personal opinion makes you only stronger that makes you more trustworthy because it’s more real. It’s what people can connect with is yeah, I have that in my life.

That makes sense. Nobody’s perfect. Whenever I see anybody like painting this perfect picture of their life, I just shrugged my shoulders and it’s I know it’s not like that. Yeah. That’s still a mentality is a little bit needed, right? Because you need to go after your goals, especially in the beginning and not listen to what anybody has to say and just move forward.

Despite all obstacles, but once you get to a certain inflection point, I think opening up, this is the way to go. But why do you need to be stoic early on? I think it’s a gray area, right? I think people. When they’re starting on their career or doing some new venture, there’s a lot of naysayers out there that the peer group might not be at that evolved.

So you’re going to have to shut people out and you may be a little bit closed off, but in the process. So you see I think you anchor it in your spiritual vision. Because if you’re very clear on where you’re going with your life, and you’re very clear on what you like, what you’re passionate about, what your gifts, your talents, your super powers are, what makes you go in the morning?

What gives you mojo? What gives you energy and vitality when you’re very clear about that. You’re not relying on this motivating muscle, right? Now you’re just sheer power. You’re clear, you’re intentional, you’re determined and it comes from a different place. It comes from a completely different place than, you feeling your way out there and like someone might upset your Apple cart by being a naysayer.

I think you just take these opinions in you filter it because it’s their lens that they look life experience life Ru. But if you’re very clear in your spiritual vision and you you’re really committed to that. I think really that’s where you anchor and ground yourself and you don’t have to be a stoic.

I think you can share it as, and I think, I’m very public about my spiritual vision. It’s inspire and create a world of love and truth. That’s in alignment with everything I want to do. No, that’s part of the message of the whisper and what I’m trying to create. And I want to empower people.

But it’s all based around love and truth, which really opened up your heart and living in truth. So right now the guys are listening, they are mowing the lawn and some dishes driving home. They were like, I’m on board. I’m on board with this. What are some like quick wins that what are you things that matter to you most now?

And how does that kind of show up and kind of small habit changes or quick wins and, your audience is probably pretty disciplined, I would assume because they don’t get where they are by not being, but, one of the first things I tell everybody is the way you do anything is the way you do everything in life.

And look at those areas in life where. You’re not counting the reps. And you might find a couple of areas where you’re not. And there’s something that’s pervasive throughout your life, because if you do it in one area of your life, I can guarantee you it’s showing up somewhere else in your life, too.

It shows just the way it works. It’s the way you train to condition yourself. So I always tell people be very honest with yourself, the way you do anything, usually you do everything. I think in terms of my in business, what I’ve found is this notion that you have to be very cunning and and very astute and all those things.

Yes, you have to be smart about things, but I actually think people do business with people. And I even noticed this when I was at GE I was a very successful salesperson at GE. I was a Rainmaker. They called it, but I related to people, even when it was company to company, business, to business, it’s still human relationships that are going to drive all these things.

Even when you’re in real estate, if you’re going to go find a deal and you want to, sit down with the owner and there’s multiple buyers there. Guess what? It’s going to have a sway the way you show up, the way you hold yourself, the way you respect people, the way you treat people.

This follows you for out your life. I’ve never missed a bill in my life. And, you get a lot favors from a lot of people when you show up like that consistently. And we tend to abuse power sometimes a little bit and, leverage our power. But I think, be really cautious in the more means and resources you have.

Be more salad and really protect the integrity and the way you show up, be human be cause we’re ultimately we’re interacting with people, right? Every business transaction at the end, unless you’re buying Bitcoin online or something like that. For the most part, there’s some human interest there.

Being a nice guy, be an honest guy, be a guy or woman that you would want to do business with. Yeah, something I can share from my first few years or five, six years working was very different. Holly was my last few years working when I didn’t give a crap. And I was definitely on the way out.

My last few years I ran meetings differently. I stuck up for the subordinates and the consultants. They didn’t care. And I think that came across as more of an authentic leader and much more efficient leader too. You got stuff done a lot quicker. And I think that’s what financial freedom allows people to do is.

Kind of treat people how they’re supposed to be treated, but without that other constraint of making our boss happy, or these other external factors, when you don’t have to worry about, I got to still stay employed by these guys or get the next job. But yeah let me put up the book, Robert ultras, a L T H U I S never enough illness.

yes. Just released January 1st, 2021. So pick it up guys and yeah, appreciate it. Robert, for joining us. I really appreciate the time and I wish everybody a well, it’s just such an interesting time, there’s so much flex in the market. It’s so dynamic.

This is when the greatest opportunities of marriage to, when there’s chaos, when there’s a lot of fog, amazing opportunities come about. So I think for everybody just stay alert, play within your strengths. And lots of really good stuff can come from these things as unfortunate as it is for other people that have lost their jobs or their financial hardship and all those things, I feel terrible for them, but, I think it’s a great time to be out there and scouting for opportunities.

Yeah. Just like hard work pays off. Passive cashflow pays off, got that t-shirt made already, but you guys can buy the book and thanks for joining. We’ll see you guys next week. Bye. All right. Thanks so much, Lynn. I appreciate it.

Coaching Call w/ Accredited Engineer & Hui OG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMIlR6ADa0&ab_channel=LaneKawaoka

Hey guys Lane here. Normally I don’t like to brag at all. But yeah, I just want to highlight a few of these recent closings that we had. We sold off a lot of these class C properties that were a little bit of a headache to deal with some of the properties didn’t cash flow initially, which is pretty common with class C collections up and down.

But. Yes, total 114 unit in Atlanta. We a hundred percent return investors’ capital two and a half years. Crazy on another one in Huntsville, we still have 70 unit there, again, another class C for 108% return. And to be years, cut back early on another class C where we 26% returning two years.

And then in addition to a Chattanooga property class C almost a hundred percent there three years now, to say that it was a lot of hard work and dedication, but, quite frankly, we didn’t rehab all the units. We didn’t take it the full business plan yet. We felt like it was prudent to cut bait and with these great returns already.

And investors pumped to the next deal. And keep the good times. Rolling. But yeah, a lot of good things are happening, I think, especially in Huntsville. It’s one of its deepest tertiary market out there, emerging markets. If you watch my monthly reports, and just did a report of top of which in markets and it’s on there.

So a lot of the first investors we have one today, we have a coaching call. This client has been with me for quite a while. We’re going to call him the wi OJI investor, Mike. But yeah, starting to see the successes come through and people’s lives are changing through this stuff. It’s not only the deals, but it’s the holistic tax and legal asset protection.

And how do you move money around, and also lifestyle changes such as not buying your house to live in, renting for a lot of us. Makes sense. Granted though, those people aren’t listening to this podcast don’t really have interests in personal finances and financial freedom. They should go probably go by their house because it’s a forced savings account, but you guys are different, right?

So hopefully you guys enjoy this podcast with a current investor of ours and yeah, you guys want to build a relationship with us. Go to simple passive cashflow.com/club.

Hey, simple passive castle listeners. Today. We have a, another exciting coaching call with an OJI of the who pipeline club. Mike here we’ll call him like, cause that’s how people know him as, but yeah, accredited investor in several deals. We’ll talk about that, but I think today’s call is not.

Really on the basics. But where do we go from here now that we have proof of concept? But Mike wants you to give people a quick overview on yourself. What do you do for work? Just so people can get a little context. Sure. Currently I’m a construction manager with the city of Seattle. I have a civil engineering background.

Did the consulting thing for a little while but have been working as a government project manager for about six years now. It’s been doing real estate investing since 2017, started with two turn key rentals in the Birmingham area. And then along the way they come up to six or seven syndications with lane.

And yeah, just trying to see what the next steps are here for me. Yeah. So I think when you came in at 2017, your original goal was to buy some rental properties. What was your net worth? Like 600 or something or 500? I don’t know around there, I’d say, yeah. Yeah. In what, under four years you almost two X that, yeah.

Okay. Okay. So I’m just looking million-dollar net worth in terms of salary and income, you’re another frugal guy, so you’re able to put away 40 grand or so to investments every year. So just giving some people some context here. Again, if you guys are listening to this and podcasts for me, you guys can go to the YouTube channel where we have this displayed.

Also club members get access to all of these investor calls or investor coaching calls. Sign up for the club@simplepassivecashflow.com slash club. And you can watch all these. And I arrange all these coaching calls based on net worth. So you guys can quickly fall in to where you’re at super watchable.

It’s perfect. But help us out Mike, for the new guys because you’ve went through the whole entire Genesis where you started with turnkeys. Take us back to that point, some of the takeaways, but a few years after that, Yeah. To be honest, that it really mirrored your journey, I definitely piggybacked on all the training that you took, all those networking opportunities that you did, jumping on with the turnkey providers that you found in the Birmingham area made it really easy cause he hadn’t been there before.

And just decided. I couldn’t keep doing the same thing and expecting the same result and also had my son in 2016. So that was kinda my Han solo moment, as you say find a way to increase my income, to get more time to spend with him. So along the way just with the two turnkeys, and then seeing these syndications starting to pan out.

My wife’s been able to leave her job and spend her time with our son because he’s about to start kindergarten. Yeah. It worked. Huh? Good.

So you jumped on a few of these deals where a couple of these yeah. Two of them cashed out for you. Money. So that probably makes indices very happy. Yeah. It was nice to see that 40 15, I’m trying to capital come back and looking forward to what to do with the distribution. Oh, how did you guys manage your guys’ finances prior?

Like she gave you some sort of like allowance or allocation to do this crazy stuff with in the beginning. And she said changed her. I do most of the finances in my family. I think it was a real as you said, we’re very frugal. It’s very tough for us to spend a dollar. It’s not essential.

But I guess along the way just showing the math of, what we’re putting in and what we’re getting out on a month by month basis has been helpful. Using a lot of the graphics that you show in that Sankey diagram that kind of unlocked everything that really broke the dam and getting us able to be comfortable with doing the syndications slowly, building them up and just increasing that, that extra cash buffer and savings.

And then as has it progressed throughout the years, you got more and more. Investible capital that you can touch. Yeah. Yeah. It, a lot of it is from my day job that is where I get the bulk of my savings from. I’m a little conservative with the rental properties. I don’t really pull much in terms of profit.

I just keep building up that stash in case something goes wrong with them. But yeah, at least with the multi-families I feel like that’s been able to start compounding here. So one thing I know you guys did, if you guys, you can help out people, is the whole, do you rent or do you buy I’m a big proponent for renting.

I rent you had to talk to your spouse since we’re doing this crazy idea of not buying, but maybe. Help out the poor souls that need to do that thing too. I think for you, it was harder because it’s not like you didn’t have investible funds, but when we sat down and outlined it, it makes so much sense.

Site’s there. Yeah. I was lucky enough to ride the appreciation wave from 2011 to my wife and I owned a condo. In North Seattle and we sold it for more than double than what we paid for it. So that was pretty much our equity that we used to invest in first, the turn keys, and then the first batch of syndications.

So we’re most small spouses would probably chop your head off if you took that money and buy a house, a bigger house to live in, that’s the status quo. Yeah. That’s exactly what the traditional plan was. So it, really was a long road to get to, renting and then using money from the sale of a property that equity to start investing.

And it’s starting to really. Come home to roost right now. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you sold that and you got what, 300 grand that stuff after all the closing costs and whatnot we cleared about two 50. And did you invest all that two 50 or what was the deal within the household that you could invest?

I think along the way we have been. Wanting to get a primary residence again. But I asked her, let’s rent for a little while. We’re, we’re not tied to anything. And just give me a little bit of time and let’s see how this goes. And at any point, if it doesn’t seem like it works, we’ll sell these turnkeys, I’ll stop investing in these multi-families.

We’ve been able to see proof of concept. And this’ll be our fourth year renting now. And so there still is the itch to buy a primary residence. But at the same time, we haven’t completely shut the door on renting. Yeah. But I’m looking here I’m, you’re still able to put away 40 plus grand a year to investments.

The syndications are starting to cash out. You’re going to have more investible funds. Now the, again comes into play, right? You’re you’ve got to make a new deal. Or are you thinking about getting a new home to live in? Because I’m a little bit more yeah, if you, maybe if you want to, you could at this stage, cause you, you put in the three, four years of delayed gratification and. At what point? I know personally, I probably will never I don’t want to say never, but I liked renting and it’s a lot cheaper than buying a yeah. Yeah. I dunno if we’re just trading one thing for another, but there’s always the thought in the back of our head, whatever it landlord’s plans change year to year.

Now that we have our son, we’ve got a lot of stuff in the closet that I’m not really looking forward to moving. And I really want to get him into a good school district. So that’s the main thing. It’s just the stability is what we’re looking for now. And I know I don’t have to be a homeowner forever, but for me, it’s the stability for the family and the the school district.

And I know I talked to people, I know the people who’ve moved multiple times in their life and their parents have come back late and said, Oh my God, I’m so sorry. I moved from this town to that town, moved me from this school to that school and know the other kids are grown up. They’re like, I didn’t even know that was just used to that.

But just for me, my own wanting to be what I feel like is a good parent. That’s I guess my number one. Yeah. If you could keep moving at this space in 15 years, you can buy your kid up Dodge Viper. Doesn’t all will be forgiven before. It’s 21. That was my, that was what my mom was trying to get me to do this day at UHC.

And since you can buy whatever car you want, and then, so I actually just move myself too recently. And the mover is costing me a thousand bucks, but I boxed up everything and I was like, my God, that’s the last time I’m ever going to do that. But our other buddy is a mover and he said, yeah, you just tell them to come to your house and pack up all your stuff for you.

Yeah. You probably want to take your wife’s underwear with you separately, but they’ll do it for two or three points. So No, it’s just money. And you’re saving so much money every month anyway, growing your money so much before. And hopefully that helps. It’s just think of it as a few grant that you just to Chuck up to move it costs.

Yeah. I think honestly, we understand the math. I think it’s more of a feeling now than it is. Whether it makes sense, monetarily. Yeah. But we had talked about some other options, maybe outline it for folks like a bigger house or location-wise. So what are you currently thinking about now for the housing?

We’re still pretty narrow. And where we’re looking we floated the idea of moving out of the general area, but I know we seem to really like where we live. And so we’re going to. Try that at first, who knows, I don’t know, or at least as good for another few months, but we’ll see if the time comes that we have to move.

If we really have to do something. Yeah. The key is like finding a landlord that is also an unsophisticated landlord that loves a very stable tenant. And if you can bamboozle them into a longer lease, that’d be ideal for both of you and down. Yeah. I did contact the property manager recently and in the area that I wanted to live and I was like maybe we’ll just try out when you’re at first, but I really am looking for a place I want to stay long-term and she was like, Oh yeah this investor, she had a house for 25 years sold that, bought this one.

And that’s what she’s planning on doing for the next one. I’m like, Oh, that’d be, yeah, that would be perfect. But it’s. We’ll see what comes up to buy and what comes up to sell. And, trying to look for the right place to be at least for the next six years. Yeah. Yeah, because currently you pay how much per month for 2,700, which is a great deal.

Cause we got one of those landlords, this is a house they bought for their son to move into. Once he moves back to the area and we’ve been waiting for the son to move back for two years now. So who knows, maybe we even stay here another year. I don’t know. It’s probably one of those or for bearing that more, it’s probably why the son doesn’t want to go anywhere near them.

They live like five minutes away, so yeah, maybe it’s a little too close for the other guy to come back. But so when you’re looking for that next rental, what is your budget? 30 to 50. I think I’m keeping that budget the same for a house payment versus the rental. Do Jack it up to four grand.

Trust me at the end of the day, you pay four grand for a rental and you invest and it just keeps you on this path of renting that much longer. It’s going to be better. And, but just for kicks. See what you’re getting when you pressed up the Ford brand. Yeah. It’s, you’re already getting so much of a better deal when you compare what.

Rent is for that by costs. So yeah, it’d be like heads and shoulders above. Fine. Yeah. And now that you’ve been doing this for a few years, now, you can take some of these profits, the investible funds and start living with it. And that’s the way you start to do it because I know people like in your shoes, what you’re probably to keep doing is keep continuing to live in a.

Kind of like a dingier house rental for 2,700 a month for the rest of eternity, right? Yeah. But yeah. Try and consciously increase your means, which goes against everything in the personal finance world. That’s the whole point of doing this investing stuff, that’s why we’re doing it.

Is that what we’re doing at.

Yeah, I think that’s why some people do it. But I thought it was just a rack up money in your bank account. So I look at it when you’re not doing anything, but yeah, it’d be take it off the foreground. Yeah. And I’m curious what the missus says at that point. Once you start to tour those places or show pictures of it.

I mean it honestly they don’t care the, just the fact that she’ll have to tell her friends that she’s living in a place that costs four grand a month. She should, she won’t do it based on that principle.

Yeah. I know what you’re saying. The friends will probably think that she’s crazy and your likes and ADL, but. I tell my wife. Yeah, look, don’t think about what other people think about you. Life’s too short. Yeah, I know. It’s hard. Yeah.

I know. But that is a big thing. Cause people don’t understand it and they’re like, what are you doing? You’re just throwing money down the two crazy.

Okay, so let’s talk about this stuff. What do you got going on here? Why do you have so much? So that’s the thing it’s that was also part of the agreement. Oh, it’s like the COVID reserves right? Where the bank makes it, this is the life reserve that’s my escrow account.

Okay. So the deal was, if I recall you had to keep liquidity in the bank to be able to put down on a primary residence. Yeah. And so that money right there is our emergency fund, plus our future down payment. And that’s a lot of money to just be sitting at escrow. You got to ask the bank, they’re like a little bit, it’s been it’s been working really well with this arrangement.

And so I don’t know if I’m trying to. Break that arrangement at this point would be a wise decisions. Okay. So here’s some options, right? What about other than obviously investing at all? Surely you’ve seen some positive effects of this stuff starting to work and it’s real, but maybe put a portion of it as equity, right on the top of the capital stack, getting dirt.

10, 12% every month. Yeah, like an HP. Gotcha. I know a lot, what a lot of guys did was , they got to refinance their loan on their house. So he lock and they took a portion of that too. And then put it in for the equity to pay their key lock on their entire thing as arbitrage.

That’s the first option. The second option is what do you think of block five? Yeah, it’s putting money into, I can’t understand any of those terms. I’ve been, I’ve been working, trying to understand it with some of those folks in that Facebook group, maybe I just need to dedicate more time to it, but Yeah. So our mastermind is going to be doing a deep dive into this next month, but. What I’m advocating for is not really investing in block five or any cryptos in terms of Bitcoin or Ethereum. Have you heard of stable coins? Yes. After reading about it. Yeah.

Yeah. So for you guys don’t know what this is, that’s my understanding. And I don’t understand this entirely. So go do your own research, but stable coins are, as the term suggests it’s stable. But to me, like from what I hear from people who do this for what it’s worth, like most of the crypto, especially at theory and Bitcoin, now institutions are involved in this stuff and it won’t go 10 X and a couple of years anymore, but.

At least to me, I think that’s the point where I’m getting more interested in the stuff. Now, big institutions are backing it and they believe in it too, which just makes it more stable., but like the stable coins is another level beyond that of stableness. So what you’re doing, you’re loading money into this website.

You don’t have to deal with all that annoying. USB things. Some people will think that’s more security because you own it, but it’s no different than you going to, each trade or whatever stock investing thing where they app digital. But you mean like block five and I’ve done my research.

They’re, US-based, they’re insure supposedly they’re property capitalized. There are a bunch of others, but if I were to recommend one over the other, that one, just as a starting point to court research. But for if you put your money in, I think it’s G USD and block fi you’re able to make 8.6% on it.

Now, if block five goes on, there don’t come complainant. Maybe, I don’t know if, what, I don’t know, see what, like throwing 50 grand into something. That see us, like God lean more towards doing private equity versus the books, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe, go a hundred grand in pref equity and the salon and the next salon.

But in the meantime, when you wedding for the next one, just have 50 grand that block fire or something like that, or diversify over different coin basis. Coinbase Gemini. Yeah, yeah, you got to get that move in then it’s a big drag. Yeah, I know it’s a big drag or, okay, so here’s the other one.

Are you doing internet banking at this point? No, I’m not. I just didn’t feel like I had the right kind of net worth to be doing. Your net worth is higher than half a million. So it is a thing for you. Again, if we’re talking to the guy who is, has no money, don’t do and banking, right?

Put your ear my son, go focus on making more money or investing in a rental property for now. If you guys get shiny object syndrome so much, you gotta be like Mike and do this for few years. And then you can think about these things, but this is even if you’re a lower net worth, I would still recommend the jury because you have so much debt equity, you might as well just stick it into insurance product, which is probably the most stable things out there. And just let it grow at 5%, at least. So that’s the third option I have for you. Okay, it’s just load this into there. And then next question is how much do you do? What I’m looking at here is you’re able to put away maybe 40 grand a year, but you have so much built up in this escrow crowd and you have, you got to get it deployed.

So you have to build a plan that’s six years or five years, and you have to stick to a Mount. Obviously I wouldn’t go more than 40, 50 grand per year because that’s all your liquidity. Sometimes I have a general rule of thumb of one third of your net, which is in your case one third of 40 grand, so 10 to 15 a year.

Okay. But maybe I might bump that up because you have so much luck in the beginning. So maybe, we can connect you with the life insurance guys, but. Maybe I would go in with how does 20 a year for six years now? That’s the cashflow that includes the fees too. That is what you’d loaded in. The fees is probably gonna, you’re going to take the haircut that first year for sure.

But your money is not doing anything anyway. So it might as well loaded in there for now. Like you should be able to intellectually talk about this decision to your spouse who is controlling this escrow account for you, because I would make the argument that the life insurance is more secure than any of these things.

Okay.

Shouldn’t have more than a hundred grand in here anyway. FDI FEIC. Yeah. You load it in there. And another thing that we’re tinkering on in the mastermind is instead of taking loans from Penn mutual, the insurance company or whoever insurance company you’re using, we’re using a third-party bank to get an even lower interest rate.

So if we borrow from Penn mutual at 5%, There’s another third party bank that will do give us a collaterized loan on the life insurance. You sign the, like the bank and they’re giving us like 3.5% for prime, minus half a point or something like that. So it’s I think that’s better than a hilar.

Yeah. Yeah, crazy stuff right up there. So I would try and do 20. You know what if this is not going to go down, I would load it up with 40, 50 grand in the first year and try and backdate the first payment. So you can load a hundred grand in the first year. Okay. Does that makes sense?

Yeah, it does.

And then. Year two year three, you’re going to have to fund it know for 40, but if you only funded up to five or 10 grand, it’s not the end of the world. It’s going to take a lot for it to not cave in. If you understand that kind of, that concept. Kevin, what do you mean? Yeah. So caving in is just like non-technical term that I’ve created where it’s no, you have to commit to a certain amount, right?

Every year, where, if not the dividends I think the fees start to pay and cannibalize itself, the policy. Okay. And I’m not an expert, right? This is why we work with experts to originate these things. But I know from a high level to, amounts to put in.

But how it’s designed, just like in taxes, I know how taxes work and you should know how taxes work. But you don’t know what forms to do, right? That’s their job. In fact, that’s their only job. Their job is not strategy. That’s yours. It’s like how we’re doing here. Your job is to figure out how much you’re going to put anywhere.

And before I have the conversation with the salesman, because the salesman is obviously not really aligned with what you want, they’re going to probably try and load you up in the longest policy for the biggest amount, because that’s what lines their pockets with commissions. Okay. But. Yeah. I would just throw in a hundred grand right off the bat, and then you have a 150 grand.

So it gets you that in the next few years, and you’ll probably be making more money and hopefully the investments keep going well. But at the end of the day, or if the worst case scenario, you bring back how much you put in. Yeah. It’s not the end of the world. Initially when I did my infinite banking policy, I did 50 grand and I did, I actually the same thing.

I backdated the first payment to put in a hundred grand in the first month, one after it. Boom, boom. So then I was supposed to do a 50, 50, 50, 50, and then when I was first starting the syndication journey, , I. Spend all my money and invest it all. So I didn’t have much money. And I was like, Oh crap. So I had to go down to the minimum where it wouldn’t keep in.

And I think it was somewhere between on $50,000 commitment. I could put at least like five or 10 or something like that. You can do that. Or if not take a loan from yourself and paid the premium. So the backdating is like a year, zero. Contribution. Yeah. I talked to your agent on how to do that.

Okay. But that’s for your case, right? Because you have so much dead liquidity right now. I’m not doing anything. Whereas most people, they don’t have that much. Most people have a hundred grand or less, but they might have a higher net where you’re able to put away 40 grand per year.

A lot of other people, they might be higher. 50 to a hundred. But that’s how I would play this. And as you see, it’s a art form. But should you lower this amount that you have to keep in here as cash reserves? Because the boss says, do you know that strategy obviously changes a little bit too, but.

Those are the three in that order that I would allocate that stuff. Okay. But as far as investments, you’re just on the one or two a year plan, is that yeah, that’s what I’ve been able to do. Once I get enough to put into something, it goes right in. Yeah. This is not too important, but I know you got kids.

The term life insurance. Is this through your work or is this additional? The standard insurance is through my work and the mutual is my own policy. Okay. If you start doing an infinite banking policy with the whole life, you probably should just, this has been done, then I would get, just get rid of that.

That’ll save you 500 bucks a year. Yeah. But yeah, I mean it’s, so if you died a million, $2 million is good thing. Yeah.

But you still have, is this company like TSP or four Oh three B 401k stuff. So I did the 401k. I closed that out last year. And I have about. $20,000 in my Roth that I can take out as straight contributions without paying any penalty. And the other, the lower amounts are my spouse’s plans and that’s her money.

So I haven’t pressed her on pulling that. Yeah. But so this is not 133, it’s 20 now. And then. It’s like I could take out 20 of that without the pain. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. So it’s like what? Vanguard? 500 or something like that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That’s cool. You want some stocks and is that, I don’t need it.

It’s more like it’s there and I prefer not to touch it cause I don’t want to pay the fees, but I’m open to eventually taking that all out. did it with my 401k last year. I’ll pay the taxes on that. Yeah. And luckily, because the wife doesn’t work, you’re not in a high tax bracket, so you can make maneuvers like that.

I personally don’t have any paper assets, but I always just ask you guys and where your head is. That’s fine. I’ve already taken out a good. Chunk of my Groth contributions along the way over the past four years too. Is this all Roth or? Yeah, it’s all wrong. Okay. But only 20 grand has contributions, I think.

Yeah. That’s all that’s left that other contributions, but it’s not a self-directed. No it’s a wrong, yeah.

I might have up. Something for you later,

but yeah. Any other questions or, what level of tax professional should I be seeing? Cause my buddy who used to do it he took a real job, so he’s done taking clients and then I’ve always been wanting to sing that I needed an estate plan and a will like, cause the Anderson folks. Who should be talking to, is that, too much for me?

I think they’re, I think they’re cheap for what they do. We definitely don’t need, like one of the white glove services that are gonna charge you 10 30 grand to do your taxes, but the trust, the state stuff, I think that’s separate. But yeah, I can connect you with a couple people on that side.

But, yeah. That’s so that’s next on your list of deep to do items. Yeah. So if you guys are listening, if you guys have a you guys don’t want that sucks. It’s going to go through probate, start do that. You guys need to trust, especially if you have kids.

Yeah. Yeah. We’ll play around with more that strategies like irrevocable trusts. Once the network gets a little higher, but. Can get the trust set up because the trust is just essentially instructions to avoid probate. So the state city, I don’t know who gets their hands over the place, but it’s just a way of taxing and running away.

But yeah, that’s a good goal. A lot of people in the bubble that was something that they need to get done. It’s something that people that lay. But yeah, as far as the taxes, you don’t have moving off the rental property, so things are getting easier just to have a bunch of Caitlin’s.

Yeah. I still don’t think you should do it in triple tax, but it didn’t take a genius to do it. And you’re educating yourself and you should be able to spot check what they want. Anybody does. Yeah. The situation is not super complicated, but. And you should be able to supervise them too.

It shouldn’t be that different from the last three years. Yeah. I’m curious how much passive losses you have on your 80 to 85 forum? Have we asked your buddy for that? Oh, I was looking at that the other day. Yes. So you guys, this is super important. If you guys don’t have over 85, 82 form, you need to get it.

And we’ll CPA. Typically they withhold that because they don’t want you to run off to another CPA. So the way they keep them keeping you under their collect checks. But but yeah, that, this is what is on your suspended, passive loss. Buckets these investments, rental properties, especially passive private placements in syndication gives you a lot of passive losses the first year that you may not use soft passive income.

So it goes on this 80 to 85 form taxes

of you guys are writing that number down, going to go home control F over taxes. But it is pretty neat to see those passive losses, that, those big numbers, how much do you have? Is it I think I’m like at 130 and that was at the end of 2019. Oh yeah. So who knows? Maybe two 50, 300 now. Yeah.

Yeah. You’re seeing, that is at this point, it’s don’t really need the pay taxes if you don’t choose to. But before we go, let’s talk quickly about real estate professional status. Cause your spouse doesn’t work. She’s working her ass off should help too much with your kids. Not that I’m working from home.

I really see how much work it is. Yeah. What about, so we had talked about this, you’re trying to get real estate professional status to use the passive losses to potentially offset your ordinary income. Income and capital gains on the sales of the rental properties. Yeah. One thing, your guys’ tax bracket is in that pie, right?

Because you took, you opted for their quality of life instead of you kicking more, but at work, getting paid more and for working. So you’re not in a huge tax bracket and I, and if you guys are under. No $330,000 AGI. I wouldn’t really freak out too much about getting that roasted professional status, Texas, but you still have you kinda given up on that, is it not make sense to you now?

Yeah, it doesn’t really make sense. Just trying to get the sheer number of hours to I don’t know. I wouldn’t, I would’ve had her like cold calling people that stuff that we hate to get. Yeah. If you are a doctor, and if only you are a doctor, then it makes sense, but you probably wouldn’t care.

You probably, and I probably wouldn’t be friends, probably wouldn’t care about this stuff, but cool. Anything else or any other stuff for the folks? No, I think it’s just interesting to see, cause we ran through this. Back when I was starting, I put together my little manifesto of what I was going to do, and we had a plan then, things change along the way, but it’s generally going along with what we thought it would be back in 2017.

Yeah. And another person who gets over the one, the two comma club. Yay. I’ll drink a beer tonight. Yeah. Yeah. You like expensive beers. That’s what the movers aren’t taking. I’m taking my boxes of beer in my own car. But but yeah, congratulations moving into the world of a credit status and I think you can agree that it doesn’t feel much different.

It really doesn’t, but happy to make it. Yeah. Now we’ve got to get you to four and a half million. Yeah. Yeah. That’s like graduating high school. So you go to your nephew’s high school graduation and you’re like, yeah, man, that’s nothing like, maybe I might come to your college graduation or when they actually do something in life.

But yeah. That’s getting to accredited. Status is all about that’s true. That is true. But yeah. Thanks for listening guys. If you guys liked this sign up for the investor clubs, we’ll pass the cashflow.com/club. Stuff really works. Real and yeah. Thanks for listening. Like.

March 2021 Monthly Market Update

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All right. Welcome everybody. This is going to be the March, 2021, a monthly market update. But before we get going through the content here, I have a lot of questions on some of the current events that are taking place, especially in Texas, out there where the temperatures got into the single digits there for a little bit.

Yeah, we’ve got a lot of assets own, maybe half a dozen apartments out there. And we just finally got chucked through most of the aftermath. And yet there are a lot of burst pipes and a lot of leaks but Everyone was freaking out. Yeah, we had some issues called the plumber and they got fixed and damages on, most of our apartments are a hundred to 250 units, but the damages came back or maybe five grand to 20 grand per property, which seems like a heck of a lot of money, hurt the monthly profits, but really not touching cash reserves and yeah, it’s a bummer.

It happened, but it just got to think here, for, five to $20,000 on a lot of these properties where the monthly revenue is a hundred to $200,000. If you just take a thousand bucks times a hundred, 200 units, 250 units, that’s how we get a hundred, 200 grand brought in. Five to 20 grand is not that much money.

It’s probably about 10 to maybe 20% of that. And, normally the net operating income, the profit that we bring in is usually in the 50 to a hundred thousand dollar range. We still made money. But I think those of you guys who are into the turnkey rentals, you guys probably understand, with your turnkey rental, you maybe you’re bringing in a hundred dollars a month.

That’s a hundred dollars to $200 repair bill on the same bank. That two that we have. And I think that’s why we like the bigger assets, because on a lot of these, we did have one where the chiller Got a little damage, no big deal. They are. But for the most part, it’s just a bunch of plumbing issues, which a lot of it got taken care of with in-house staff.

And that’s the nice thing about what these bigger properties, where we have a lot of the staff on call. I’ve been pay on salary as opposed to paying those huge third party, the pair bills. And that’s what I never really liked about being an out-of-state remote landlord. I’ve paid like 900 bucks to the carer stinking toilet.

I don’t know. At a hundred to $200 hourly billable rate. That’s a lot of hours to fix a toilet. I don’t think, but that’s how it is as an out of state landlord. But yeah, you guys who are lower net worth, I’d say still got to start there. That’s where I started. But make sure you guys run your numbers, right?

If you guys haven’t yet grabbed a hold of my buy and hold analyzer, it’s in an Excel or Google sheet format, full explanation of all the expenses on. To make your own performance. So in case the Texas freeze happens again, you’ll be able to observe it on your monthly cashflow and it, and like for us, it didn’t really dip into cash reserves.

And this is what allows you to perform your sensitivity analysis on your own. So to grab that and go to simple passive cashflow.com/analyzer, or we also put it on the simple passive cashflow.com/turn key page for folks to grab for free. But we’ll get right into this month’s report. If you haven’t yet, please join our Facebook group and check us out.

This is also recorded in podcast form on the podcast. And I also put the slides up on YouTube. So if you guys are listening on podcasts and you want to, you’re feeling some FOMO for missing out on some of the slides, you can check it out there. For those who are joining live feel free to put in a question into the box.

If there’s a question that comes out, but we’ll start off with a few teaching points here. Just grab this out of a new Mark or recently in this models, the interest rates, which all time lows once again, maybe it’s been creeping up this first quarter, but still pretty much as low as it’s ever been.

And the cap rates on multi-family and that’s, this is just a general cap rate for, all markets, all asset classes. So the important thing, what I want to show here is everybody asks when does it attempt to buy? It’s always a good time to buy when you’re trashed.

But as investors, what we do is we’re basically making money on the spread between the cap rate and the interest rate. So right now cap rates are at 5.8% on average, and that the ten-year treasury as is that a 0.93 investors make money on that spread. And then of course we apply leverage good, healthy leverage on top of that to magnify those returns.

You look, what’s been happening these last few months that spread between the cap rate and the interest rates is a lot bigger than normal. Some of the squeeze points of times where it wasn’t a great place to be investing was mid 2018. As you can see by the charter, there was a bit of a squeeze there.

Or maybe in the, between 2006 and 2007, there was this, there was also squeezed there, but the times were the spread of widens. Now that’s the time to invest like mid 2012 here and right now, but that’s the, your academic look of, how investing works essentially. And this is what a bank does, they go in and invest in arbitrage, the money somewhere else. And they take on debt, but good debt to be able to afford onto the asset that cash flows. A lot of good news that have been happening and saw the last market update gen records. John Burns, a lot of these guys are putting, given the green light, but I want it to report on, as I mentioned in the previous slide long-term interest rates had been creeping up just a tad this first quarter of the year.

A 10 and 30 year treasury yields have been running up the start of 2021. That’s where we were conservative using like a 3.5% as a placeholder for our commercial deals these days. I don’t really know what people are getting for residential, maybe around 3%, but it’s been creeping up lately. Now just a little bit of the guys have been following the news on January 4th.

The yield on ten-year treasury note was a 0.93 and the 30 year treasury yield was one. Point six, six a month later, the 10 year treasury came up to 1.19 and the 30 year treasury came up to 1.96. Now that’s a big move for just a five week, one month period. Bonds have been getting killed in that interim what’s driving these changes.

The Democrats novel, the house of representatives, the state and the white house. And if you look back and how the stuff was moving, when the Georgia Senate runoff was happening and tip the scale to the Senate going to the Democrats, the markets reacted by expecting massive dismissiveness because typically the Democrats do spend more money.

And the us treasury expected to bring massive amount of bonds to the market for a fairly short period of time. Now, what does this mean? I look at it, this is all good for investors like us because ultimately more government spending means that it trickles to us landlords and investors. This is what is essentially driving up yields or the cap rates on the short term.

Because as I said in the previous side upgrades typically go up when interest rates go up, they float together to investors make money on the difference between the cap rate and interest rate. Plus the leverage has magnifies difference. So in other words, sophisticated investors know that cap rates typically go up and down with interest rates.

They don’t really freak out when type these types of movements happen. Now the economy is continuing to reopen more and more, and I think Biden just released another stimulus plan to hopefully get a lot more people vaccinated by the end of April. So all good news pointing to. A big recovery.

And I’ve been seeing a lot of Fannie Mae Freddie Mac before it, so we’ll get into this later on in the report. But a lot of these guys are saying that, Q3, Q4 GDP growth should be over four to 5%. Here’s one of those reports right here from Fannie Mae. You look at 2021, they’re predicting a 4.8% GDP growth in Q2.

Two three 7.5 and Q4 6.1. So that’s big stuff. Probably what that’s accounting for is personal consumption. Expenditure is big in Q3 of 20, 20. A lot of people think inflation is coming. I don’t necessarily read that even though logically. That makes sense. I think they can just keep printing money.

But even if inflation does then, right? Like by buying fixed commodities, hard assets, like real estate you’re hedging. That way.

Facebook plans expansion to the console data center, project price, the top $1 billion of development. Ongoing construction. This is their construction in February, 2021. And they announced this back country in 2018. So you can see how long these projects take to get in there. But Facebook is definitely committed.

It seems to be by this picture that they’re going to put that big data center in Huntsville, Alabama. Here’s another chart that I’ve found from via the global research and it shows the different models of. COVID cases coming down and basically the nuisance they’re getting better and better.

The fan line report has been released. And this is very similar to the UAR report. You have report models. There’s a great indicator for the blue collar workers, the budget folks who have to move themselves. Where the van lines is more they’re white collar workers, where if you’re a corporate worker, you have to get moved, relocated that the van line is typically who’s going to move you.

So the top 10 on the moving out list in this order was New Jersey, New York and Noyes, Connecticut, California, Kansas, North Dakota, Massachusetts, Ohio, and Maryland. Obviously in New Jersey, New York, California, people are everybody, everything. Everybody knows that at this point, that everyone’s getting the heck out of town, Illinois, if you haven’t heard that everybody’s getting the heck out of the noise that States go down really fast.

What are the States moving in? It is Idaho, South Carolina, Oregon, South Dakota, Arizona, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Arkansas. And again, this is the more white collar worker folks, Freddie Mac flags, robust growth in the South and West. So they cited three Texas cities grew by a total of 2.8 million people from 2010 to 2019.

And I think we all know what they are. The Dallas, Houston and Austin grew by 2.8 billion people. Why lower cost of living attractive, whether influx of domestic and international migrants, I would have Hughes. One of the biggest masterplan community developers is adding 2 million square feet of new development across the four master plan communities in Las Vegas, Cypress Texas, Columbia, Maryland, and Honolulu, Hawaii.

It’s always interesting to see what the big institutional money and these guys put a lot of money into research. And because they’re making big bets on whether they’re building.

Of course, we as more mom and pop investors, be a little bit more nimble, but it’s good to whale watch what these guys are up to. Another guy you want to definitely will watch on a more macro sense is Sam Zell. If you don’t know who that is, you better know who it is because right below Warren buffet, this guy is the guy who kind of kicks certain sectors not necessarily good management companies or, like how Warren buffet does, but Sam Zell definitely picked is a better picker of sectors in my opinion.

So in his commentaries, he’s expects a rebound for office hospitality, and big city multifamily. Chicago, he, he’s a native of Chicago, I guess he’s not moving on. He doesn’t, he has a lot of money. He doesn’t care, but he, doesn’t not so much like predominant shifts stemming from COVID 19 pandemic office use hospitality and central city apartments will all rebound while the industry icon sees potential for over supply in couple of search and currently hot sectors.

Says, I think we’re going to go back to conventions back to people creating relationships. I don’t see that changing. Although we’ll restart slowly. There’s also a huge, build-up a tourism demand. People have been locked up for almost a year, which I would agree personally. And I think you don’t see it very much, but a lot of folks in this pandemic were hurt by the things being shut down.

But a lot of white collar folks. Or just totally unimpacted and, there’s, it got a few stimulus checks too. On top of that.

So Arbor put up a few of these great charts that I put up on the screen. Just model, how did the COVID 19 recession relate to the great recession? So if you look here the green line. Basically, if I’m going to describe this for the folks listening on the podcast, aren’t able to take a look at these charts, which by the way, you guys can all look@thesereplaysonatsimplepassivecashflow.com slash investor letter is where all of these past monthly updates are held.

Casey ever want to go back and spot check than something you saw. But, the way that it’s illustrate. And I think this makes a lot of logical sense is the beginning of the pandemic was a big spike, big impact where the other recessions, it took a lot, a long time, 12 months to develop where this COVID-19 recession.

In one month, unemployment just shut up. But then very quickly, I would say it’s reading by this chart six months later. Things came down and has been steady on the decline. On this chart right here, we’re already under 5% unemployment where all the.com the great recession, the 1990 recession, it took them five years to get to this five years plus to get to this point where we’re at now in terms of unemployment.

So some would say the recession is over I personally don’t even call this a recession. It was just a health crisis.

Consulting releases, apartment rent forecast four big trends that they’re seeing first, the Bloomberg’s suburban apartments where the biggest beneficiaries of 2020 condemning with renters. Like for more space, examples would be Austin, Tampa, Phoenix. Next is brain towns. These are the demanded college towns to improve in

fall as students return to campus more Trisha and markets like Ann Arbor, border, Colorado Madison other beneficiaries are downtowns, which should come back to the play. He’s saying by 2022 we’ll work from home may have suffered demand in urban markets for now the watch for a back bounce back in COVID.

So they’re citing Boston, DC, New York, Miami. And the Dependables, the dependable markets are historically stable and steady. They be forecast some bumps in the near term, but big opportunities. Long-term such as places like Minneapolis, Kansas city and Reno.

And, from a real high level where we look at a lot is just strictly population change from a high level. And here’s a chart from new Mark. Illustrating where the population growth is. You’ve look at the 10 areas. Those are the areas where people are moving out. The blue, the darker blue areas are people moving in.

Now this I stole from a 2021 rocker for family office report. Okay. A lot of things are going on in this chart, but I just put this in here to show folks that, how the wealthy invest, right? They’re not just in retail mutual funds and that type of stuff. But a lot of these guys are in that private equity space, which we really focus on in our pool.

That’s what we thought to call ourselves private equity.

They are the Rockefeller guys. They’re probably going to decrease their longterm, us treasuries, and also decrease their eye corporate. They’re also going to go to more, a bunch of markets and also decrease their us large cap equities. Okay,

but a big chunk of it is private equity. I think that’s my other takeaway from that. And what do they mean by private, real estate? Mobile home parks, apartments, office space things like that.

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Now we’re going to transfer We’re going to go and to my personal report I always like to split this off into different categories based on the 20 ramen six human needs. More information about that. Go to simple, passive cashflow.com/happy, because if not, what’s it all for. If you’ve got all the money Overwatch, you’re not happy.

So the first one here is growth. No, I here’s, my I’m working on my last Burr. I don’t like burrs at all. I think it’s too much risk. I think it is a real pain to do. I don’t think it’s a great return on time, but I think if you’re lower net worth, I think that’s where it come in. It comes into play. Or in my case, I want to just on a reload, these last two rental properties that I have.

So I am actually. I think I put in maybe like 20 or 30 grand into this property and yeah, we hope to sell it quick, unload it to some retail and buyers and wipe my hands with this direct ownership stuff on loading the rentals, boom contribution for all the founding office Ohana massive. And it has been having a lot more on new recruits into our group.

I really enjoy helping out the people there. I don’t have the time to individually help out folks just in the general we pipeline club anymore. Now that we’re over 400 on getting old, maybe 500 investors. Now who’ve invested at least 50 grand into a past deal. If you guys want family office consulting you probably can’t afford that.

And unless you’re your a hundred million dollar net worth and above. So that’s where our family office Ohana mastermind, it’s a group coaching experience significance how to get significance. I couldn’t think of anything. So I was just told myself the old stoic line, no one cares work harder.

But number four here, uncertainty the Texas freeze was a bit of. Uncertainty and to my life this week, who woulda thought, right? Thank goodness. Some of these places had natural gas, but yeah, I don’t know. I, maybe I wasn’t reading the headlines too much, but some people seem to be really freaked out.

And I thought there was some kinds of like with the whole energy crisis in Texas. A lot of our properties is business as usual. A couple of days later, But yeah, there’s always gonna be something that makes people scared and stick to the status quo, if you stay with the status quo, we all know what we’re going to get.

How did I establish some certainty in my life? That was the report from Hawaii at the same time, like forecasts of light wins some more showers as the cold front new year’s we all got and actually got into the high seventies at the grab a jacket. But, and all Sarah NES, Charlie Munger, he was Warren Buffett’s buddy at Berkshire Hathaway.

He always has this famous rule and he wasn’t recently on the news the other day. People, they asked them well what’s the rule for a happy life. And he says low expectations. And as I look at my investor group, a lot of you guys are very value driven folks. First, a lot of first-generation or actually most first-generation people that value things and experiences.

And what the value of the dollar is and you guys keep it simple sometimes too simple. I think a lot of you guys can be a little bit too frugal at some times. Some loving connection will were expecting. I am no longer going to be working 12 hours every single day.

Hopefully, if everything pans out, I’ll be a dad in January. But thank you for all the words of encouragement on my Facebook and LinkedIn, I’m actually going to compile can I have my assistant get all the best practices that you guys put on there? A lot of you guys put good tips on my feed.

So I’m going to compile that, put all on the spreadsheet, categorize it. And those of you guys who. Commented. I’m going to give you guys access to that spreadsheet so that you guys can share with any friends or family that you guys have. I think that’s something I’ve learned from this investing thing, everything is out there and we just have to tap it all.

And there has to be at least somebody. And I guess that’s the role I like to play that facilitates the conversations or captures everything in a digestible form. If not, there’s just a lot of noise out there. There’s just a lot of like big pockets and stuff like that of just endless data and knowledge out there.

Some fun things. I bought some, these are do dads. I bought this fried garlic chips from Amazon. It’s like pretty cheap. It’s 15 bucks for a pack. And what’s cool about this is I set this up on subscription. So every like four to six months, it sends me a new one, but I was trying to find a way I liked those garlic chips to fry, but.

Unless you fry it perfectly. It doesn’t get burned or it gets moldy after a while. So if you guys like, thinking the same way and you guys like the cook, try that out. And I thought I’d splurged from the old Heinz ketchup and get me some Portland catch up here. Reminds me of my days in the Northwest, where we would spend way too much money for GMO free and gluten free vegan free and organic.

By the way, but yeah, nothing in this presentation was considered legal or think for yourself, guys, just think for yourselves. Thank you everybody. And if you guys haven’t. Make sure you sign up for the Udo pipeline club to get sent the same deals I come across that we have, the pipeline club is a free investor club where I filter investments and underwrite, the deals and partners.

And a lot of times operate it myself. Unlike an other investor looks in groups, my investors know I kind of personal skin in the game. If you would like to join go to simple passive cashflow.com/club. And we’ll see you guys next time.

Fun Cheapo Ideas w/ Marilyn Anderson

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Hey, simple, passive cashflow listeners. As you guys know, I am a recovering cheapo. I call this cafe style, which stands for cheap-ass free and easy. C a F E. You guys can read all about my cheapo adventures@simplepassivecashflow.com slash cheapo. If you’ve got any good ideas, let me know there, but today’s podcast.

I have Marilyn Anderson who wrote the book, how to live life like a millionaire when you’re a million short and we’re going to be going over seven pretty cool ideas just to get the wheels turning on. These are going to be more towards staying at home since the the pandemic everyone’s not going out to large gathering still.

What I realized is a lot of our audience out there, you guys are pretty affluent make a lot of pretty good money. But you guys are still let’s just call it. You guys like to go after value. When we have our Hawaii mastermind retreat the other year, I don’t think anybody stayed at the Hilton or the Sheraton, the five star resorts.

Everybody stayed in little boutiques or with relatives. So I think today’s content will be right up the alley for most of the listeners. But yeah. Thanks for jumping on and let me put up your book so everybody can go get it at amazon.com. We’ll put it up at the end, but yeah, let’s first thing first.

Seven free things to enrich your life. When you’re staying at home. The first one here is unclaimed property can tell us a little bit about that. There is so much money just sitting and waiting for people to claim that, and it’s like, Money that people never knew that they had, and there’s billions of dollars just sitting.

And if people vote to missing money, thought, Tom, and just fill in their name and the state in which they live their name may pop up and tell them they have money. The other thing it doesn’t have most of the States are there, but some are not. So if not you can go to the state website for wherever you live and putting unclaimed property.

And you should do it not just for yourself, but for your parents, for your siblings. And you may find that you have a lot of money. I told a friend of mine to do this, and he fought me all the way. He said, Oh no, this can’t be real. It must be a spam. And. Texas steady at somebody. So he filled out the forms and he got a letter from them in a couple months saying we’re sending you a check and they still thought it wasn’t real.

He ended up getting a check for $12,000. Now some people make that $10 and make it a hundred dollars. They make the 150. Alison powers, but the point is if people have money, they don’t know they have. So that’s an assignment. I give everyone that I talk to is to go to missing money.com for the state or any state in which you’ve lived with a lot of people these days move around.

So if you’ve moved from one state to another, do it for every single state you’ve lived in, put in your city in your name and also do it for your parents, do it for your siblings. And I bet you’ll find some money there. Nine out of 10 of your listeners will probably find some money. I know I did this at one time for the state website and I did find a little cash there, so yeah.

And just in the time you’re talking, I checked my stuff and I didn’t have anything but likely, cause I cleared my name out a little while ago, but yeah, next one. I’m going to Harvard or yell for free. How do we do that? Especially, a lot of these things, some things were available even before, but a lot of people didn’t know about it.

But there are actually about 5,000 different courses from Harvard, from Dale, from Princeton, from universities, all over the country where you can take classes for free and it can be from anything from computers to religion, to science, to technology. And there’s three places that I will tell you about now.

One is edX. Dot org. And one is coursera.org, and one is class central.com. And as I said, the classes and everything, and they’re free, or if you want a certification, you can pay a small fee, but it’s an opportunity either to just enrich your life, you enjoy or advanced your career, or even change your career.

So those are a couple of places I recommend for that. Yeah. And then now there’s a lot of paid ones, right? Like masterclass or teachable. Yeah, but people should also take advantage of these free courses too. Yeah. And if you guys haven’t checked out, we have a lot of e-courses at simple passive castle.com/ e-course the treeline cars, the new syndication LP course, and the Romo investor course are all on there.

If anybody or their kids wants to take courses in screenwriting, I teach those as well because I’m a TV and film writer. So I teach classes in screenwriting all over the world. Actually, I’m teaching a class next week in South Africa, glide to a broad rate show for free. I know

we had a past episode where my buddy, Matt, he would invest in like Moulin Rouge and Hamilton, but now it’s like one of the biggest, yeah, it’s definitely the biggest Hamilton is definitely the biggest.

Yeah. He invested in that and made a killing, but now the stuff isn’t going too well, everything in show business has been pretty much on hold. And the thing is I talk about in my book actually, how, when theaters are going full force and you could pay. $200 a ticket or in the case of Hamilton, what you said hundreds to $2,000 a ticket.

And I would tell people how to get tickets for twenty-five dollars, where in the case of Hamilton tens hours. But now that there’s a pandemic, actually people can see. All these Broadway shows for free. And that is first of all, if you go to YouTube we’ve just put in Broadway shows. There’s about a hundred different Broadway shows from rent to Moulin Rouge, which you mentioned to Aladdin to frozen the musical.

If they have kids or Mathil the legally blonde, I actually watched it the other day. And not only is it the full Broadway production. I think if you have the lyrics, so you can sing along with it and families love to do this. So one thing is, as I said, YouTube, they have all these great Broadway shows.

And if you’re watching musicals, you can’t feel bad. The other place you can go to Broadway HD and they have newer shows. And of course, Now, if you want to see Hamilton, you can see it with your whole family, just for signing up for Disney plus for one month, which costs eight $99 and 99 cents. Instead of paying, two to $800 to see it.

And it’s you have a front row seat because everything is right there in front of you on your TV screen. Green and it is a play it’s not redone as a movie. It’s actually the play Hamilton. So I definitely recommend that. So once things open up again how do you get $25 seats at one of these life?

When things open up again, there’s all kinds of ways to get discounted tickets. Of course, one way is if you’re in New York to go to the tickets booth, but. A lot of the shows. Now the Broadway shows have what I call lottery tickets. And for instance, Hamilton has lottery tickets for $10. And if you’re lucky enough, it used to be that you had to go to the theater two hours before and they would take the numbers out of a hat, but then they were getting too many people blocking the streets for Hamilton.

So instead they started doing digital lotteries. So for shows like Hamilton and practically every other Broadway show. And this is not just in New York, but we chose travel to your. City. If it had a lot of Rio, New York, there will be a lot of reef in your city. And if you’re lucky enough to win the digital lottery, you can see Hamilton for $10 and sit in the front row.

So that’s one way is as lottery, then there’s rush seats. Then there’s a thing called pay. What you can, a lot of theaters will have a night during the week where they have a pay, what you pad and you can pay. If tickets are normally $60, you can pay. $10. You can pay $5. You could pay $1 and it’s a pay what you can night.

So I have all of those different kinds of things listed. Also of course, people, sometimes people like to usher. If you have kids for instance, and they’re in college or something, not only ushering get them into all the shows for free, but they’ll get to meet the people who are in the shows and you’re doing them.

And if they’re interested in a show, but his career, that’s another way. By the way you mentioned that the guy who invested in Hamilton made a lot of money. If you remember the movie Blair witch project, if you had invested a thousand dollars in Blair witch project, you would have made back $7 million.

Of course that’s not the norm, but that is an example of how people made it with a horror movie, horror movies and thrillers are very big for that. Yeah. A lot of very high risk like just like startups. It’s a very small chance of it blowing up, but when it does, it goes crazy. But I like the idea of magazines. You can get a lot of free magazines because that’s how magazines make revenues. So they can, they send out a lot of free magazines to people, so they can go to their advertisers and say, look at all the subscribers we have, even though they’re fake subscribers. Like buying an apartment in St.

It’s 95% occupied, yet half of the people are paying rent, like it’s just it’s you got to make sure who’s actually paying of course, but yeah, good good stuff to think about. That’s like how Vegas is, right? When you’re walking around the strip, they have all this like wholesalers and outlets.

Is that kinda what they’re doing? Or you got to go direct to that. Vegas, you have all kinds of touristy things going on and whatever, but Hey, so actually, if you’re going to bake this and you want to see a show. For discounts. They’ve got all kinds of discounts available for Vegas shows too. When I do mention that and how to live like a millionaire when you’re a million short, so never pay full price for Vegas shows.

Obviously if you’re a, if you’re a high roller, if you do well at the casino, they’ll give you free passes, but there’s ticket booths. All around Las Vegas to get you into shows for discounts or go online before you go there. And there’s all kinds of discounted tickets for Vegas.

And another thing is people like make this. There are bangs now on your phone. Not only do you get the games for free, but you can win money. And I just put on my phone, which is listening to music, you can make money and they say, you can make $600 a year. Just keeping your phone on this app.

And I keep it low because I don’t listen to the music the whole time, but listening to music, you can make money and there’s all kinds of games. But what they do is. When you’re watching the games, they give you surveys or they give you other things to join if you want, but people are winning money on them.

But again, it’s a question of, do you want this stuff on your phone and, or are you lucky? And a lot of this stuff, it takes a little time, but. For me personally, I enjoy getting a good deal, even though it takes a little time. But yeah. Another thing is, if you like to buy things online, which I am buying a lot of things online now they have these places like rocket dim.

Or capital one shopping or piggy. And all you do is you put it on like your Chrome, where you buy things. And I get a check every single month from Rakuten, from things I’ve already bought. I get rebates. So I’ll get a 20, 30, $40 check every month. And it’s from stuff that I just normally wanted to buy.

Yeah. I’m goofy where I’ll go to Nordstrom and then buy expensive like lunch. Cause it’s they got pretty good food there and drink and I’ll go in there, walk around and see what I want to buy. Look it up on the internet or go to Facebook marketplace and buy it there. So I don’t waste my money on, yeah, you don’t have to buy it there as Nordstrom actually matches price.

So if you find it somewhere else, but you start at Nordstrom. If you ask them they’ll match the price for you. We’re not going to match Facebook marketplace for half of what they match Amazon. And we also the same thing with best buy and staples whenever I go to best buy and staples, which is a lot because I buy all my supplies there.

I will never just go to the checkout and pay the price. I’ll always price match. And even if they say something is on sale, as it mean that it’s not cheaper somewhere else. So whether I’m buying a 30. Dollar toner or a $3,000 computer. I will price match it while I’m there. Or you could ask the clerk to price, match it.

And almost 90% of the time you can find it somewhere else cheaper and they will give you that price. Yeah, such an items for sure. Other things. You’ve got to be careful of probably maybe better to buy a new, but. I don’t know. I just liked the socket dude, Nordstrom. I don’t like those kinds of companies.

I think it’s a waste of money. I had a thousand dollar jacket and I saw it at Nordstrom and I loved it so much, but it was way too expensive. So two of my rules are the first one is make an ask of yourself. In my first role asked, so I asked the sales girl, is this going to go on sale?

And she said probably necessary. I said can you call me when it goes on sale? And the other one is make a friend. So I made friends with her and she would call me every couple of weeks and say, Oh, your jackets on sale, your packets on sale. And so I would say, Oh I have a hundred is still too much in 300, still too much.

So she called me when it went out to 200 and I went in there and I was trying it on and I said could you do any better? She went in the back. She said, I’m giving you the family and friends price, $149. And it was a thousand dollars back then at Nordstrom’s. So she used to call me every time they were like good sales and I want to go in.

And then about a couple months later I went and she was no longer working in the Aaron wondered. Did she get fired because she has good prices. That’s the next one here? Take a virtual tour of foreign countries. Yes. Of course. Because of the pandemic. A lot of us are not able to travel now.

And if you like to travel there’s all kinds of places that you can go actually from the comfort of your own living room. And you could take virtual tourists all around the world. You can see the seven wonders of the world. You can see museums, there’s all different rooms in the loop you can visit virtually out of can city.

Other museums in Mexico city in New Zealand and Australia. What I like to suggest, because we are all stuck at home is if you want to go to a particular place and it could be a place you’re going to go to later, or maybe a place you’d never ever get to, make a plan. Maybe if you take Italy, go to Italy for the day.

Not only do a virtual tour, but make food from Italy and make it a whole day for the family where you have, lasagna for lunch and maybe, and Italian stuff, fish for dinner and boat, all the cities and the. Museums and make it a day and you can learn a lot. The thing is there are also lots of those tours, so you learn a lot and also you don’t have to take the plane.

You don’t have to schlep all that time or spend the money and you can see all these wonderful places around the world that you might not even be able to get to. Once things open up again. Yeah, something along those lines is if you go to wine.com and you search for this, but there’s, they have virtual wine tastings at home.

It’s cool. You got to buy their pack, you just watch the video. There’s a famous one where you get the Bonanza, the conundrum, and then the moneymaker right there. It’s fun. If you’re into that, you don’t need to leave your house splurge a little bit on good wine and your house, not the spend 50 cents on every dollar you drive or travel costs.

So that’s another idea there. my thing is it’s not just about saving money, but it’s about enjoying your life. And just because we are in this situation, we still need to take time. And those moments too, and max, what that’s what I believe. And that’s what had a live like a millionaire when you a million short, does it tells you not only how to save money, but also how to Enjoy every moment of your life to the fullest.

Exactly. I’m going to, into your closet, come out with some cash. No, this is good for people stuck at home, right? Yeah. Or even if you’re not stuck at home, it’s good because, like a lot of it has happened. NGS that we haven’t worn in years. We’re talking about clothes and I’ll start with clothes.

I had like jewelry that people had given me, like when I was 12 years old and it was literally sitting in my closet for decades. So I took it out and there’s a place called real, real.com. And it’s a high level consignment shop. If you put something in an assignment shop or a jewelry shop in your neighborhood, you have to.

Depend on people in the neighborhoods to buy it, but on the real, real.com, they. Publicize it to everyone around the world. So if you have find jewelry or you have designer clothes, the real, and they will either come to your place to get it, or you can do it all through the mail. Other places for things that might not be quite as upscale would be Poshmark or Etsy, you can sell things.

And even Facebook has a lot of marketplace groups where you can buy and sell things. Also, if you have. Of household items that you don’t Need you can go to offer up or next door com and sell them I go to the Emmy gifting suites every year, and I always get these fabulous gifts, a lot of which I don’t use.

So I had this beautiful gift box of. I have different types of honey and yesterday I sold it to somebody on nextdoor.com. I just put it up, Aaron. No, I’m not going to use it. I actually got three different packages. So I give some of them as gifts and some of them myself. So if you have good furniture and you want to try swap it out, this is called cherish.com, but there’s all kinds of ways for you to not only make money, but also

to buy things. If you’re looking to get things for less. And the other thing there’s a group called I nothing and buying nothing is in your local area. And there’s people who were just giving things away and. Sometimes it’s like brand new things that they’re giving away and you don’t have to trade.

You don’t have to do anything. If things you have, or you can take things that other people are gifting. I got a brand new shirt for my boyfriend and it still had the price tag of $150 on it. Somebody was just giving it away. There’s also a lot of furniture. If people give away. I see during the pandemic, a lot of people are getting like big desks because they don’t have their offices anymore.

Or they’re giving dressers or all kinds of furniture, lamps. And I have a girlfriend, actually, you can, of course, paint furniture, fabric. I have a girlfriend who actually painted her sofa. Now. I never knew you could paint, but, and one way of course, to learn how to do all this. Stuff is to go to YouTube.

They have all these, do it, yourself, videos of how to do all kinds of things. At some furniture and make it look brand new and make it look special because you can do it so that you have this only one piece that you’ve created. Yeah. Here in Hawaii, we have like bulky pickup days. It’s when everybody puts their crap out on the street.

I’m excited. When I get my new cyber truck, I can go drive around in the middle of the day and pick up some cool stuff. But yeah, that’s maybe that’s too much information, but Hey, just wipe it down. Make sure it’s it’s virus free. Yeah, and then redo it. I once did a, I had an old chest of drawers and my roommate at the time, she was very creative and she took this fabric of different colors and sheet.

We put the fabric on the chest and it was so beautiful. People wanted to buy it from us for tons of money because it was so incredibly special. So there’s all kinds of things you can do. And I liked those other more co-signer websites. That way it’s a little bit more secure. I do have a story where we sell a lot of stuff on Facebook marketplace and I don’t know what I was selling, but it was like a Bose speaker when I was like a hundred or $200 ones.

And I just never used it. I bought it because I had a gift card and then somebody was like trolling me or something. They’re like, Oh, how’d you get it? I was like I don’t need it. And there, somebody was like, Oh, what are you selling it for? And what the heck do you think I’m selling this thing for?

And then there’s this big troll thread of other people. And I’m like, man, like just people have too much time wasting on social media. Yeah. Yeah. You can’t worry about the patrols. It’s somebody, I have books out. I have used these out and there’s always pros. There’s always.

Even who were jealous, who are going to knock you down. But I have also sold a lot of things on eBay. I’m not like a regular eBay seller, but if I’ve gotten things again from Emmy gifting suites that I don’t want and they’re worth a lot of money, so I’ll put them on eBay. And I’m embarrassed to say I got something from buy nothing, a beautiful pair of Marc Jacobs shoes.

And they were too big for me. So I put them back on my thing because I was going to get them, but nobody wanted them while I put them up on eBay. And the next day they were bought for money. Yeah. That’s how I started with this entrepreneur stuff. I would buy and sell a lot of things on eBay.

I would sell my video games. And I don’t know. Maybe if you guys got kids up there, make a deal with them. If they sell it, do all the work, take all the fees, take it to the post office. Give them like half of the cut. Oh yeah. There are people who did that, I used to have a girl who just sold stuff on.

He ban, I would take our, all my. Because that was much easier and I didn’t have to spend the time doing it. Then there are shops that do it too, but they tend to take bigger commissions, but yeah, you can find a friend or someone that, that does it. That’s the easiest way.

Yeah. My wife likes to do that. She likes to waste her time doing this stuff. So sell stuff for her friends. And I think the deal that she has is she takes a 10% cut, but she sends up wasting so much time. Yeah. 10%. I’ll send my stuff to her. I know. Yeah. It drives me crazy. Absolutely crazy.

But cool. Last one here. Get furniture, household items for free. I think we talked about this, but any other. Sites to go to try. Oh yeah. I can tell you for medical procedures or for prescriptions I’ve found sometimes that has lower prices and in copay, and if you go to good rx.com, that’s a good place for checking how much prescriptions would cost at different.

Pharmacies in your neighborhood and sometimes it’s even lower than the pasta with your copays. The other thing is like I went to a periodontist, my dentist had been telling me for years, I needed to have a periodontist appointment and he wanted to do gum flap surgery, which would mean cutting the gums and then grafting from the top of my mouth.

And he said, Oh, it only cost $10,000. And I said, it’s $10,000 and cutting my time. And should I make an appointment? So I said give me some time. And I went home and I thought, what would the author of this book too? And so I went online and I looked for alternative procedures to go to flap surgery.

And I found that there was an alternative called LANAP and there was no cutting, no pain, no recovery. And it was about half the cost of the other. But I went further. I found the place that was about 30 miles away from LA, where I live and they was called millennium dental, and they actually trained dentist and periodontist all over the country to switch to this procedure.

So it wasn’t. Students, but it was actual dentists and periodontists. Who’d been in practice for 10 or 20 years. And this company, they were looking for volunteers. So I went there and I got the LANAP. I had no pain, no cutting, no grafting and no $10,000. I got it free. And I got a girlfriend of mine and for free plus, we got our cleanings free for the next year.

So sometimes if somebody gives you a high price, even if it’s a medical or dental procedure, or if you don’t want to do, you can actually negotiate with some doctors and say I don’t want to pay that to you have to be cheaper. Or sometimes you can offer to if they’re putting a video when their website, you can make a deal.

I’ll let you video me for whenever I’ve looked for alternatives because for instance, rhinoplasty is another one nose job can cost like from 15 to $20,000, but you can get a. 15 minute nose, job that has no pain, no recovery and no surgery. You come out looking better and it’s like a thousand instead of 20,000.

So there’s different ways you can find whether it’s an elective procedure or something like at my periodontist where they said, you must get this and they don’t tell you about the other thing, because they personally don’t do it. And take the difference and go blow it on something else. A Vegas, right? Another thing I was thinking of I, yeah, I had a rock stuck in my tire for the longest time. So I took it to Mercedes and they said I needed a new like wheel or something or new tire. And if they’re going to charge me like several hundred bucks and I was like, are you kidding me?

So I just went to Les Schwab. Down in the shady part of town and they fixed it for I called them and they’re like, Oh, it’s going to be like 29, 99. But of course, when I get down there, they see it’s a freaking Mercedes and they charged me like 60 bucks. But Hey, lot cheaper than buying a brand new tire.

That’s just ridiculous. But of course everything we’re saying here is a little, you don’t be a bonehead. Some of these things like meeting random people on Facebook marketplace be safe about it. Absolutely. Another thing that when things open back up again, I another thing I talk about in my book, one of my favorite tips used to be how you can get a vacation at a four star resort in Spain for six nights for free.

And people would say, how can you do that? And there’s actually a in town that if you’re a native English speaking person, they have four different resorts outside of Madrid and they will host you for six nights with all accommodations, all meals, activities, and why they want you. There is they have Spanish business, people who want to practice their conversational English.

And so the resort hosts. People, whether it’s from England or the United States or South Africa or Australia, but any English speaking people, and all you have to do is enjoy breakfast, lunch, and dinner and activities and pop. And people say, like I say I don’t speak Spanish. And the thing is you’re not allowed to speak Spanish.

She could only speak English. And I have a couple of friends who went and they said it was the best vacation it ever had in their lives. And some people loved it so much that we go back 15 times. So that’s another thing when things open up that I highly recommend. Yes, that’s on that one actually sounds pretty fun.

I do have an experience of my own going and do the Groupon China tour. Which I thought was a complete waste of time. I’ll never do again, but yeah, on Groupon, which also by the way, also does they fill seats at concerts. I’ve done that a bunch of times, but so Groupon has these like international tours and I don’t know if different countries are like this, but I know China’s like this, you go on there and it’s they even pay your airfare.

And it’s like a couple of thousand dollars, but it’s like a five or 10 day trip. It’s all meals, it’s five star hotels, but there’s always the catch. And the catch is that you’re pretty much captive to these like tour buses and then take you to a couple of these boring factory tours where you’re forced to buy stuff and you’re not forced to, but you’re just a time suck.

Thank you to the glass Floyd museum. They take you to the needlework museum. They take you to this clay museum to all, to like by seven years and you’re captive. So it was funny. There was like 20 people in the tour and there’s always four people or 20% of the group there.

they realize what’s happening. And they’re like, screw this. We’re out of here. This Texas, the hotel. We’ll figure it out, but yeah. Be aware of the the Groupon China tour. I use Groupon a lot for restaurants and also for my hair and stuff, but yeah. I still use it.

Now, when all the restaurants in LA are closed, even for outdoor dining, they were open for a while, but okay. Group bonds and use them for takeout now, but group bonds, I tell people don’t even buy the group regularly. Wait, so cause they always have sales for 20% off or 10% discount. So I wait.

So the sales and then I at discounts on my discounts and there’s also restaurants.com. That’s in, every year. City practically well, in the States, I don’t know whether it’s across the world, but there’s 18,000 restaurants where you can get restaurant Factom coupons. And so I use those too, but great restaurants I’ve used that before.

Like you said, you got to wait until the Groupon or the restaurant.com goes on sale, which happens. Most of the time, there’s always like a, I don’t know what it is. 35 or 50%. That’s the magic number, but yeah. Yeah. I wait for the restaurant coupons. Usually they’re like $10 for $25 certificate and they often go down to $5 or $4, but I’ll wait until they go down to $2 or $1 for $25 certificate.

And then I’ll on them at the restaurants that I like. So I’m getting a $25 certificate for a dollar. And then when you go, you have to spend 50. So you’re getting a, $50 meal for say 25, $26. So then it’s worth it. So I’ll one up you right there. You also run it through like Mr.

rebates.com or the Raku con. And they even will usually give you a 20% cash back on those. Coupons. So I’ve gotten it down to a dollar 40 cents for a $25 gift card. They pay you to go. I like it. I don’t do this anymore. Cause I think it starts to be a little waste of time and. Not all the restaurants are that great.

That’s why they’re on the damn thing in the first place. But yeah, like you would, I would buy them in like in 10 packs. You can buy them in five or 10 pounds. Here’s another thing too. There’s a couple of services. One is perfectly Frank and another one is I’m trying to remember the name of it, but they’ll actually pay you to go out to dinner or.

A restaurant club and what it is, you should have a mystery shopper. And I don’t do the mystery shopping thing where you have to go to a gas station or you have to go to target. But on the food ones, if you sign up for upscale restaurants, I have a girlfriend who’s been doing this for seven years and they’ll pay her to go to dinner at the peninsula hotel.

So they’ll pay for her dinner. And then she comes home and she goes out a questionnaire and then they’ll pay her like $60 or $200. Oh, she’s gotten to go to dinner with a friend at a big hotel or a fancy nightspot. So those are fun too. When things open up again, I got a question on that rush rushed on.com thing.

Like my big beef with that is you actually had to go sit down and dine in which now you’re cutting into my T I M E D. Now with the whole pandemic, they allow you to take out now. Yes. Oh, I’m on this. Yeah. I guess it depends where you live in LA everything is closed for any kind of indoor or outdoor dining.

And they want you to take out because the restaurants are failing now. So yeah. I’m using them for for take out. Yeah. And it helps them get their churn, to get people in and out buying stuff. Yeah. I use them all the time. The other thing I do is I go to happy hours.

Cause this is like Ruth, Chris. A lot of expensive restaurants in your neighborhood. If you go to there for dinner, you have two people. It’ll cost you a hundred bucks, but if you go for happy hour, you still get the ambience and the food. And some of them have really nice. Appetizers are like Ruth, Chris has steak sandwiches, burgers and fries, lobster tacos things that are substantial and you can get out of there for $25 instead of, a hundred dollars a person.

Cool. Cool. Yeah, once you drop you out so people can find you and also make sure folks did check out marlon’s book on Amazon, how to live with a millionaire when you’re a million short,

a millionaire.com. Oh, appreciate for coming on the podcast and like again, everybody be safe with this stuff. Don’t be a bonehead, but Yeah, hopefully you save some money and, take the money and put it right back into the economy somewhere else and have some fun. We’ll see you guys next time, but thanks so much

Coaching Call w/ W2 & Business Franchise Owner

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Hello, simple passive cashflow listeners. Today, we are going to be doing a coaching call with Ahmed. Who’s going to show us all about him building his portfolio, how you’ve been buying some rentals with some buddies of his and where he is going financially as he is right on the verge of financial independence.

But, thanks for joining us. Amen. Once you, give us a quick context on yourself. Thank you Elaine for having me. it’s a dream come true. I’ve been watching your podcast for a number of years now. my story is, I think it’s just a typical American story. I came here to go to school, an immigrant, now taking the next step of financial independence.

the funny thing is that, I, Came here in 89, graduated in 94, with accounting and moved away from accounting, from working in that industry for a year and a half. And ever since, I’m an it professional. met my wife, in Mankato, where I went to school, we just celebrated our 28 years of a partnership.

Being a father of a twin daughters. I spent my entire time, in Minnesota, I think as the saying goes, wherever the immigrant lens being, they tend to stick around. so the story that I like to tell is this to first and foremost, how I have embraced frugality, personal responsibilities in finance, as well as how I see real estate as an important vehicle to get to the next level.

Yeah, I definitely got a lot of first-generation wealth people listening to the podcast. what, first generation is, secondary industry generation. You’re born with it. but yeah, first-generation doesn’t necessarily mean immigrant, but it’s just the first generation where your net worth is over a million.

Yeah. I’m thinking, a lot of people, they get college degrees, but they’d never hit that threshold but, Yeah, a lot, very, financially minded frugal folks they pay for value. So you’re fitting right that moment. Like when did we first connect when a couple of years ago or something like that, I’ve done that, so I first bought my first rental property with a partner in 2015.

and I started listening to simple passive cashflow, About 2017 or so. And the reason you hit a chord with me is that because, I had some ideas, did not know what the concepts of fires and all of these things behind me, but at the same time though, just being a numbers guy, it never attached to me till you started, speaking about, passive income, what does that mean?

it’s not necessarily, that, I call self retirement too, that, you know what, just remove the dependency on paycheck. But at the same time though, it just does not happen. You have to work for it. And that’s something that I took up from your podcast and from your teaching.

Oh. So just to give people a quick rundown of the stats, you make a route 120 grand a year to day job, which is pretty typical for our listener base. Mostly six figures and above. let’s say accounting things. That’s a side hustle that I’m doing right now, late, and, not to digress, but, Graduating the County moved away.

my day job is it I’m a software quality assurance manager for a consultant company. I have had many different types of roles in it I’ve implemented large scale systems, mostly CRM set financials. And now I quote unquote, find bugs for a living.

But accounting is, when I started investing in real estate, one thing that I bring to my partnership is that, I say, for example, the bookkeeping, the accounting, skipping the numbers, dealing with the CPAs, stay ahead of that, the tax laws, and then, I started doing it a little bit commercially too, because, I was asked even know, so my business partner, who’s, one of my business partner, he’s a broker and he desperately needed some help with his books.

So now I do side hustles of some real estate bookkeeping, not to, limit myself, but not to stress myself also. Yeah, of course. You’d do a side hustle. That’s. I mean it’s either that or a what? Six grand a year buy a couple more rentals, At 3000 a piece, I’m sure you set to the nice thing about the side hustle is you can stuff different, deductions or expenses through there.

what kind of things do you buy and shelter under that thing? Mostly office expenses right now, so remember the chair that I’m sitting on needs to be replaced, mostly, the office expenses, I actually started out with, say for example, some of those, software programs that, I thought that, it’s going to help me grow.

and that’s what I started. And then I thought that, you know what, and then, the time that I spent for my partnerships to, because we pay for two of my partners, should we self-managed and we pay our partners to manage our properties. And that the same thing goes for me, I’m spending an inordinate amount of time, keeping the books, making sure that, our financials are up-to-date and our partners have at the true 360 degree view of it.

So I charged back to the partnership. But, the question that you’re asking me is that, what are the, some of the benefits right now? Mostly I will call it like, the, the soft expenses, which is in office supplies, softwares, conferences, by the way, just attended a real estate conferences or charging that on my side hustle.

We’ve got to get that to $6,000 a year down to zero. That’s the goal.

So the savings rate of 15%, I know this is coming from cause you’re coming. You’re like a refugee from the personal finance blogs, fear. They fixate on this 15%, which to me means nothing because I got guys making 600 grand a year, a million dollars a year fit a percentage. Isn’t that big. Tell me, how much money are you able to save either in stocks, mutual funds, real estate, anything every year, like what’s your net get is question.

You make a buck, 30 grand, you spend some money on vacation, some I-phones and some fun stuff. And then your daily expenses, how much do you have on a monthly basis or annual basis? Would you figure. if I look at the watermark, whether it changes or not. So say for example, that cash number that I’m showing you about 38,000, whether it’s staying static, because you have quote unquote, then that’s saving experience.

What you’re talking about is that, maybe, our savings doesn’t have to go into the cash. It’s always, should go back into investments. So yeah, include that. Include that. I got guys , still putting money in the 401k. I say, keep that, even though I say don’t do that. But just want to know what this is the question, what’s your velocity currently, right?

If are you able to save 30 grand a year or you have to save a hundred grand a year? I definitely can say that I’m saving between 25 to $30,000 a year. Okay. Okay. So where your income level is. I would have expected it to be a little bit higher. and I know you’re cheap.

I just know that about you.

Yeah. most of the guys is in my group or like at least 30 grand a year. And that includes some guys make it under, 80, 90,000 a year. Granted, there are single dudes, but you got a family, but. I would say people in your kind of, you’re more established. You’re not making big purchases.

They’re around 50 grand a year. you don’t have to answer it now, but maybe think there’s something that you’re spending your money on every year maybe private school education, or I dunno, there’s something going on, man. There’s a hole in your pocket. We’re at 10, 10 or 20 grand is going.

maybe your spouse is. Run it off to Nordstrom. You gonna send them the Macy’s but think, jot that one down as anything does the mine. And lane it’s a happy medium. if you remember, coming from the David and sees a piece of the world, which I’m going to cover a little bit later on too, I think that’s a phenomenal, kind of dementia , that I had embraced, but, being a free spirit and a nerd, obviously you can see, everybody can see that, being the nerd of the family and then the free spirit of, an artist wife, I think that’s a happy medium you’re right though.

my wife is. it’s weird, she is, financial frugal, what you call that wild spirit, so you’re right. Just being the families. We could do a lot better with the savings rate, but , it’s one of the inspiration that came from her is that, you know what, we can draw a happy medium.

We don’t go overboard on anything, but, quote unquote, let’s not go super cheap either, but it’s easy to say that, but. Yeah. My philosophy on the whole quality of life and spending is, get a few years, four to six years of years where you’re saving 30 to 50 grand in there.

But once you peak or that 50 grand, you have the ability to free spirit at that point and buy some nice stuff. And that’s what I’m cool with it at the end, but only if. The investments, the castles and investments is paying for crap like that. Got it. I feel like where you’re at maybe.

we’ll get going into that, but maybe it might happen. Tighten the belt for a couple years, get bumped that up, but then reap the rewards later. But, while you’re mentioning your spouse, what did they think of the whole? you’ve got a portfolio of over a dozen units.

What did they think of that stuff? What’s their overall. One of the conscious thing that I have tried to do, because this is real estate being, the saving grace for many families, but at the same time, the most litigation, industries. So I consciously, created a firewall for my families, not to be exposed to the real estate that much.

In fact, so remember I’m talking about, creating state, trust States and what have you trying to create those firewalls as much and not to have those decision-makings, the spouses might hear this complaint that, yeah, you guys are doing all of these things, but anytime, things go South.

we have to hear that, and that’s one of the complaint that my wife had to that, when things started going sour, then you start coming in and, the venting, they, my wife did not like the venting part, so I consciously, kept her away from this, we are all aligned on the end goals, but how we get there, she left it on me.

Does that make sense? I get it. just do it. I do. I never say any of the bad stuff that happens. Bring it upon yourself. If that, say that jokingly, maybe the problem is if they don’t see you putting in, you’re currently putting in 30 grand a year buying one unit a year, but what if they see.

You buying one and a half units or two units every year that saving an extra $30,000. So it gets you up to 50, 60,000 a year. What does that do to your bottom line that bumps your cashflow up 5,000, $6,000 a year, right? Do you think that they’re making that equation or that cost. Yeah, they’re not you’re right.

So keeping them encapsulated, of the problem. And the biggest thing that I started doing the financial piece of diversity a while back, and then I can move away from it is because, the conversation that should happen within a week, at least. with your spouse, especially having, stay at home, spouse that I have, because we have to, because of our daughters twins, we didn’t have any support structures around us.

So my wife actually had to stay at home, to raise our daughters, so that, but having that conversation, I think that tremendously helped once we got into a philosophy that, you know what, yeah, this is what we going to do and try to do a data verse, try to stay within our means, follow the envelope system and what have you.

Yeah. you’re driving the ship, but she got her in the bottom, like shoving coal into the furnace, just doing stuff. He doesn’t know. What does she care if you save an extra 15, 20 grand a year to buy a rental, I don’t see it, but that doesn’t mean that they need to be involved.

I just see it different. I see so many different arrangements of how people do things, but I don’t know if you want a different effect, right? You want to save a little bit more money to buy more rentals. You definitely have to do a different action. If not, you’re insane. It says Einstein.

One thing that I want to bring your attention to is that, based on, the circle that you, you associate with, that distribution number that I’m showing 8,400, that’s the first time I’ve taken a distribution this year, and my goal is, and I’ll cover that, that’s my financial goal is that, I want to see in a consistent distribution, out of all of my partnership on all of my assets.

What’s your thoughts on that? Yeah. I think that’s your problem. you segregate all this stuff and this distribution is where did you pull this? 8,400 bucks. It’s just what you felt comfortable with. No, it should be whatever that thing makes or doesn’t make.

That’s what comes into your personal life count every month, if you’re having this type of problem, right? You supposed to, I didn’t care do it however you want. But another framework I would recommend for you, and we’re not going to get too much into this, but. I would pick up the book profit first by Mike

He has this framework, about he has got these charts on here. Let me copy this over and I’ll put it into your thing right here. Do you have your mom on your podcast? Yeah, I think I did. But I just put it into the chart here. So it says okay, based on a certain revenue range, let’s just stick you in this column.

A this is how much you should be spending on profit owners, pay taxes, operations. what is your top line income about, let’s just say let’s backwards engineer it. So let’s say you’re making a hundred grand, right? You just save 15% for taxes, but the real estate is different.

You don’t pay taxes, but I always say do that first, but the whole premise is like the profit and owner’s pay. You need to be paying yourself these amounts and not just some random, Oh, I felt like paying myself 8,400 look, honey, we made 8,400. This is a way of forcing you. To take some profits off the table, because that’s the saddest thing in life.

These entrepreneurs, they build these businesses and put it, always put it back into research and development and operating expenses or marketing stuff. never take it out and their family just gets disenchanted by this whole thing, because this is black pit. So just take the look at these percentages and it’s not gospel, but

try and understand why the percentages are working that way. So owners pay that might be you putting into a bank account and eventually taking it out as 8,400 or whatever at the end of the year. But profit is something that’s consistent. Profit is something that they can see in their bank account and get on the team.

Who cares if you get another rental is what they say, who cares? What’s in it for me? you get 5%, right? Or imagine if you gave your kids one 10th of this right now, everybody’s on the team. Now. I’m not a big fan of this. Everybody, screaming up and seeing kumbaya, but this might work for you guys.

So just something I think about. but it might be another thing too, right? Like I know you went to Dave Ramsey, he brainwashed you guys with the whole debt stuff. How’s that going? you’ve got a lot of debt on these properties, as you can see, I documented that I actually moved away from his teaching.

Is that because, buying cash for property simply does not work, and so without that, and, say for example, leverage works. and I think he’s teaching, where I differed is that, quote unquote. let’s set aside, they ran this out. As soon as the origins of the world at the end of the day, don’t do stupid things.

I think that’s what they teach. But at the same time , in terms of, growing well, though, I feel like that, first teachers of how to be responsible and then, take on, leverage debt that makes sense, don’t buy, things that doesn’t, generate any income or they appreciate,

and I moved away from his teaching, but I still follow some of the principles, we still do, all the involved systems, trying to stay within. And the budgets, I try to make my disposable income as low as possible, and that’s something though. I know you have our strong feelings about it, and I’m seeing, the other way around too lane, just to digress, how moving money away from financial markets to, other avenues real estate is definitely one. So I have seen my network, switching from financial markets to real estate.

I think I have for the first time, but I think this year I went below 50% of my net worth. That’s more into real estate than, financial market. Yeah. And that was something else I caught on here. you’ve got a lot of money in the 401k and on these paper assets, that’s the trend, right?

Like you’re moving the needle more to real assets, which just happens over time. It took me a long time too, but that’s natural. but like your spouse, , it seems like they’re not entirely on board, but how did that whole discussion about that come around?

debt. Oh, concept. She was absolutely on board with me. In fact, my spouse was , wasn’t very happy when I, put that primary house for a mortgage, so I have a line of credit, hilar that I use it as a, to find that some of my investments, and then I thought that he didn’t want, why not, just lock the rate, because the rates are so low now, lock the rate, take a lower rates and let you know, but still, aggressively pay that off.

so she wasn’t, at all happy about that. the dad Evers lifestyle, she enjoys it. She doesn’t mind that at all because it does provide that financial peace. Okay. Cool. And then, as I said, I have consciously encapsulated her because if you see the numbers that you’re showing, lane for the real estate, over $4 million off, a real estate under ownership, the number that I’m not showing is the debt.

It’s about three plus millions, that we have, I think 2.8 is probably what the debt that we have. So as I am as a, as an investor, I’m personally guaranteeing that loan by the way, but we know that it’s coming, against the real estate.

So that’s one of the other reasons too, that, I am not preaching, that, In order for that, you should not, take on debts. if you don’t have to, I still say that, but I do see that, that could be utilized, judiciously, as long as you build that skill.

I agree. I agree. I get frustrated sometimes like that Dave Ramsey they affiliate really closely with the whole Jesus Christ and Bible stuff. Yeah. So they don’t follow it themselves. I have to tell you that, lane, at the end of the day, you have you own properties in the Southern part of the, the state.

it’s a lot better than I do. But, I live in the twin cities of Minnesota, you cannot buy a property cash. That’s just simply does not happen. It does not happen. And you don’t have to be real sick about it. I think one of the biggest, newer points is did these days is inflation is going to be coming.

not like in the next few years, but it’s coming without a doubt. The pale for Ella stimulus. this is the way to. So to lock in this great debt and just wait this out, because in the end, savers are going to be the people who get killed. People who put money under their bed or not doing anything with it right now and playing the waiting game.

They’re the ones who are going to be losing. but yeah, you got this nice little portfolio peer. I have the spreadsheet. and if you guys check these out on the YouTube channel, it’s, you kids can actually see the numbers, but. Talk us through how you started acquiring these properties up in Minnesota and North Carolina.

Because I think when we first chatted your artists set on buying properties near your local area, but how did this all come about, help the new guy getting started. Take us back to 2015, 16 when you picked up these first few. That’s perfect. I am the perfect story for why people should invest into real estate because I am that person in 2011 at the heart of the downturn, we have sold our property for a loss because I did not want to be a landlord, from that person, to in 2015 buying my first rental, property.

And the reason, I made that switch is because first and foremost, Lane. I think, I believe in , not believe people blindly, build a relationship. relationship has its ups and downs, so my business partner, then from that point onwards, my realtor, who had helped us, the property that we live in right now, It’s a rainbow that we rehabbed.

and we moved here because of the school district, and that, from that point onwards, he has almost become like a family members, but at the same time, he helped me acquire a property. We own it together for, that was the first property I bought.

And that’s the message that I wanted to get across that, what. all of us, we think that, if you don’t think that you have a shortcoming, you’re misjudging yourself, but at the same time, I also feel like that, we always undersell ourselves in terms of our skills, but I know what I’m capable of, what my strengths are.

So I have started equating relationship to partnership. So this entire, portfolio that you’re seeing, it’s built out of three partnerships. the first one is a real estate broker that, I had known for many years, he acquires the properties, she’s helped manage the properties, and the partnership pays for that.

and then I bring in different sets of skills. I keep the numbers and then, with this partnership, we are doing something very interesting, lane, being a realtor, as most of the time, the realtor’s mindset is that, keep that property and exit tree.

so we have spent a lot of money, as you said, put the money back into the business , to keep access, all of our properties, have , all of those things, are done. So it’s almost like owner’s exit ready. so the trend line for me is that, 2015 one property is 2016 two, but on average I’ve been acquiring two properties, every single year, even during the COVID I think we have, three acquisitions this year.

So on this first partnership, maybe walk us through each partnership. Do you guys put up the money separately? Who does the sweat equity? And then how did, how do you guys split the payouts is a the cap half, or how does, how do you work these deals? So what had happened is that, for the partnership based in Minnesota, and then I will also answer the question that, why did I end up, spread out, but for the partnership in Minnesota, what happens is that, yeah, it’s 50 50 partnership, but, I would say higher percentage of investment came from myself and my partner,

yeah, he does the sweat equity. and what happens is that, we can pull in a loan payback to me, we decide what’s a fair, loan paid back to me and we are carrying that. And then, we are working towards that, so essentially what happens is that even if we end up selling a property, which we have done, and we are converting from, single families to, we can moving into a town home, for us, less maintainers, but that’s a different story.

And we also can running our commercial loans to 30 or, papers to, that’s how the story. But, with this partnership, the way we build this up is that, majority of the, investment is coming from myself, my partner also put up cash, wherever it needed to, in fact, he floats all of our invoices for Tampax.

So what we ended up doing is that, we look at the cash contributions of each property, and then if you’re selling it first, what we do we take out is that, let’s pay back that capital off each partners. And then we split the appreciation. Okay. And so who’s putting in the debts. So like on the second property, actually, let me first mention this.

I like what you did than the first one. Like you just bought it yourself, Because you don’t know what you don’t know. So before you start jumping into bed with people you don’t know, or you sorta know it’s good to just do it at yourself. So you know that, Oh, the cap ex floating, that’s a pain in the butt or not a big deal.

And you know how much it’s worth. So I think that was a good move on your part. but yeah, so the first school around in the partnership, with the realtor who supposedly, I think he does more of the sweat equity, operation, and especially on the deal finding side on the large syndication deals, the way we break it down is like, One third is who brought the money.

One third is who found the deal. One third is operation, there’s all these small intangibles like on this deal whose debt this is a Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac loan. And who’s that name is it’s actually, all of these are LC back loans, so both the partners are liable for the loans.

Okay. why did you not go with putting all the loans in your name and getting a little bit better interest rate as a Fannie Mae Freddie Mac? What was the, you had to do that late when we first started, because, we did not have that, this, the story of, LCC and not having an income.

We had to do that. I think out of this portfolio, there are two loans that are our personal names. We actually have now started doing that. What you just said, which is that you’re putting the properties, taking out of the commercial loans for the 20 year amortization. Getting out of that and putting it into the cheaper money we started doing that.

That’s what I would do. And, just compensate yourself a little bit, admit that might be like worth five or 10% of the general partnership here. You’re saying that you are a hundred percent, So out of this entire portfolio. especially the ones in Minnesota, I think there are two properties still under the commercial loan, interest rate is decent, but as you said, with the 20 year MBA is just killing yourself.

Yeah, but you don’t really sucks about that commercial loan. what’s the term length, what’s the term on the loan? five years. Five years. Yeah. Yeah, dude, that sucks. get out of that. that’s a dangerous loan go. No less than seven years. Yeah, we are. You are right though. We are right on the cusp of, twos.

That’s going to probably readjust, but, we will, as I said, this year we are doing two things, at least on the properties in Minnesota, we are getting away from single families. We are looking at a little bit higher value, added, townhomes where the rents are actually higher, lane.

So we are converting our single families to townhomes and a second part, even with the HOA. By the way, with the HOA. And the second part is that we are taking the 20 year notes to a 30 year notes. Okay. I would say get those commercial notes down to get the term lengths up, just do Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and put it in one of your guys’ names and work it out.

Maybe you get one, maybe he gets one, you split it that way. So you’re not splitting hairs and 55% here, 45% to that guy, right? yeah, I get all those commercial loans. and whatever you don’t talk to Lenny brokers. Those guys are. Stupid. they’re gonna want you to do it all in one loan or like cross-collateralized and put multiple of these in one.

Don’t do that. that’s what they love that because it’s a large loan and they can pick up their origination fees. But the problem with that is , if you wanted to get rid of one of the properties, you can’t, you block the whole loan. So you’re right. Chris driving crazy. You’re trolling all over the place and Facebook groups and whatnot.

Don’t mind. I want to take this chance to answer one of your questions that you had asked me earlier, which is that, Y move away from the local market to outside markets, lane. So for me, the biggest, driving force was entry points. What I was noticing is that, how much more can my money buy?

And that’s what I was seeing, especially with small multiplexes. I remember I went through the life cycles of, I think you probably have talked about at knowledge, see about, the real estate investors starting out visiting your family’s portfolios and get into small multiplexes and then, midsize multiplexes and then, obviously larger multi-plex.

So I’m on that small multiplexes right now. Multi-families. And what I saw is that, my money was not buying enough in the twin cities market. So that’s why he started branching now. Yeah. So I would probably not recommend doing what you’re doing. I think you’re okay.

Cause you know how to do this, but most people do not have the ability to do what you’re doing. Correct. I would not recommend if you’re listening, doing this, because now when you’re going over five units, you’re getting crappy commercial loans. You’re not getting Fannie Mae Freddie Mac it’d be course debt.

would you have to go to million dollar loan sizes or more? You’re not getting the economies of scales that you are with a hundred unit where you get a property manager who sits at your building and a guy driving around in a golf cart, fixing out work orders. All this stuff is still third party.

Really super expensive repairs. and then the biggest issue is now you’re going to different places, you got different partners and you just a Russian roulette in a way which of those guys are going to screw you over. this stuff works when it works. I would say whatever you do either got to stay safe, small with the four units and under, or just go LP syndication and go big.

But you’re obviously picking this road, you’re the bunker, right? Which I think it’s fine. you’re an outlier again. If you guys want to read more into this, go to simple passive castle.com/syndication, which is this indication guide and , it’s a huge article, go command F or whatever, and search for mom and pop investor.

And there’s a myriad of reasons why you don’t want to do it. Almond is doing right here. But, but yeah, what’s next? where are you going? Are you going to keep doing this or is this worth it like the reason I need to, See this thing through a little bit longer is, this model, because, by the way, I’m also investing into syndication, I was just going to amplify what they, you said, the learning curve to get this thing to manage and then, develop this partnerships across state lines, it’s not for everyone. In fact, 90% of the investors probably should not be doing that. It’s only because I think, either you or somebody else said that. It’s all about, even if it’s indication, it’s all about relationship, you should know the syndicator that you’re trusting with.

And then, most of the time I think there are, people, repeatedly invest with the same set of indicators because they believe they build that relationship. one thing that I wanted to point out is that, lane, just to answer your questions is I’m just using a very simple formula that, each of my units needs to provide me at least a hundred dollars a month.

so if my, goal is to reach that $5,500, how do I get there fast? So now I’m super concentrating on that North Carolina partnership because we are buying, smaller multi-families, but you are right though. You pointed out a few things, which is that, just by doing this, Kind of a small scale.

We are never getting the economics of scale. I think that’s so important. And that’s one of the areas that I’m looking into that, what are the things that we can do at that small volume? We probably would never be able to do that, but it’s one of five points that you brought up that, as a mom and pop investors, if we think small like this, we would never get the small, economic social scale.

And then also. let me dig a little bit and get people confused a little bit. So how did you find that North Carolina operator, the person that worked what was your due diligence process and why did you work with them? family members, , so this is a partnership that I built in each of the trial areas.

So it’s been a family member, who’s a partner and then, he brought in two other people that I did not know a single thing about them. You’re right. Yeah. it’s, again, it’s a crapshoot, right? It’s almost like a throwing a dirt, obviously worked out because now, second years of existence, we went from one to 10 units and it’s working out and in terms of, everything, we match, but it was pure luck though.

You’re a hundred percent. I think the way he did it was good. that’s better than going on bigger pockets or working with a fortune builder partner education and another, an expert. Next question here. How did you guys structure it? Did you guys have some kind of partnership document written out, outline few things that could go wrong and how you would remediate that?

And is it within an LLC or something it’s with an LLC is an operating document. But I think what you pointed out it’s something that our sec lawyer has been asking for as well, what is the succession plan? we don’t have that and we need to work on that.

no, it’s fine. I think it’s fine. Here’s my thought process. Like you don’t really need, even if you have really good documents, it doesn’t matter if people aren’t on the up and up. Yeah. You could. As long as the people they act in good faith and they’re good business people, if you don’t really need any documents, technically in my opinion.

But, another reason why, I don’t like doing this stuff is, I don’t know, like working with people who have a net worth of under 2 million, because, what’s, these properties worth 40, 50, a hundred grand. if a $10,000 repair goes around and somebody has a tough time, they can just steal 10 grand.

Cause that’s a lot of money to them. But if a guy is worth $2 million net worth. They’re not gonna screw people over 10 grand, not even a question. Yeah. It wouldn’t have been on my register. but I don’t know that may not be a good, ask your partner how much your net worth is because you never know, but that’s just a thought process I have.

That’s why I’ll never do a private money lending to a house flipper who drives around a truck. I’m not saying that’s bad, but Hey, not with my money. Look, I’m going to be very discriminatory with my money and kind of create rules around certain things like that. It’s my money. I’m the investor. I call the shots.

But, okay. I think you have fun with us, and that’s why I think. Keep doing it personally for you. So you weren’t able to scale up I’m hoping to pick your brain on a few of the topics, lane. I never did what you did, right? Like I never went to the five to 50 unit.

I saw the issues and complications at. But I never went to the depth you did. I never really did it. It was all intellectual and thought process for me. Oh, I don’t want to do that. I’m just going to go to the bigger stuff. No, but you are right though, because you constantly have talked about your turnkeys, in, in Birmingham.

And you said that, one camp X will wipe off all of the games I’ve seen that, and one of the things that I put down on my observations that most of the real estate investors do not understand that they are not making money. Yeah. I’m with you on that one, that, lane, the biggest challenge for most of the real estate investors is that, they are so much into the weeds because, they have to be in the weeds because, they are trying to sell of the properties, the market is not there.

They did not buy the property smart. So I taught you, people should take a big long at heart. real estate is a fantastic, vehicle to get you to a promise land, if you do not pay attention, if you’re not aware, it’s very easy to get derailed.

And this is where I open arms, welcome you to syndications because now, the ups and downs and real estate. And. And you’re totally encapsulated. Yeah. Yeah. can’t tell you how many accredited investors who don’t have a freaking clue. I never owned a rectal ask. why did distributions get delayed?

it’s we had a pandemic grow, people weren’t moving out people because this claimant as much as you want to, but still people will have that certain expectations. Yeah. I dunno part of it is education part of it. people’s true colors. When it come out.

And we’re a relationship business, and that’s how use 50 get yourself removed from the investor list, but you get it right. I think that’s why it’s nice working with folks like yourself because you want a reasonable excuse or justification for things and everything is reasonable.

we’re not making this stuff up. And you understand it. You understand how it feels. And what was the bottom line every month? That’s what I look at. What was the bottom line? Oh, we only made $15,000 this month. Normally we should be around 30 to 40, okay, bad month.

Let’s try the next month. And you as a rental property owner know that shoot HVAC might not five grand. Now I’m down for that. Is this.

I deal with numbers late. What you’re saying is the music into my ears is exactly right. That majority of the times I looked at the curve at the end of the five-year Mark in my partnerships in Minneapolis, I looked at, how much money we have made. Versus how much money we actually had to put back, it’s not easy.

so the question that I have for you was that, laying, you are probably, you made that journey, remember now, you have moved away from your full-time job, but do you have an accountability partner? I have used them in the past, but it’s far to find people who is willing to.

Kind of jump on a call with you on a routine basis. the mere fact that you’re asking this question is probably telling me that you’re the, probably the one who, gets ghosted by us accountability partner. That’s the hardest thing. And I think the, also we used to do this in the investor club where I would connect people with accountability partners.

I don’t know if you remember this, but these guys, we do it in January and we’ll probably do it again at this next mastermind coming up the bubble one. we’ll sign accountability partners for those who are willing. But then one mistake I saw was like, people are like, Oh, we’re gonna, we’re in.

Do a call every two weeks. dude, man, that’s just going to blow up in your face and that’s not sustainable. Maybe make it on like once every quarter, every three months, like that’s just my recommendation from best practices. but I pay for. A coach. they not really, not too much about business.

They’re just an accountability partner. that’s something I’ve heard from a lot of people in my sphere. It’s yeah, man, I just pay a few thousand dollars to have somebody call me up. It might be us. Right when I’m just sitting here in my chair, not really making any progress. I’m just talking about doing the things and then the accountability partner or not the partner, they’re not partners.

They’re our accountability coach that you paid money to. They’re the ones being like, Hey Ahmed, you’ve been doing the same thing, but less six times we’ve talked. I try to talk to them two to three weeks. Try not make it too. I got one for my wife too. But I think her coaches taking for a ride there, they’re like doing a call every week.

I’m like, I guess got to pay for it, but the way I see it, it might be a waste of money, but I don’t know. It’s well worth it. I think, a few thousand dollars for a year for that type of stuff. I think that’s nothing. I looked at your investment sense. You always talk about that, the investment that has, before, that allows you actually to get to the next level, that how much you have spent on your education and mentorship.

I think that’s an eye-opener for me, especially. Yeah, the money, I think, if you just want accountability, just go get a coach. That’s cheap. That’s like under five grand for the year. Okay. But you pay the money for the connections that you would not have otherwise.

one of the common questions that you always ask on your podcast is that, you know what, of any guesses that, where are the ad in terms of how much passive income they’re generating. So this BNC is together lane. I just wanted your thoughts how do I make sure that, I can retire.

I have a soft goal of doing this at age 55, which is three and a half years from now. How can I make sure that, I’m on a solid path, my friendship, final salary that I am, but I just don’t feel it. And the second part is that, you are living that life now that, you do not have a W2 jobs.

what are some of the thoughts that you had? how to handle that? Yeah. that’s you got this nice spreadsheets, but the one thing that doesn’t tell me is the bottom line. The goal is cashflow. How much are these things freaking making, man, like you get all this other stuff for now numbers.

I haven’t, right now it’s at 3,500 3,500. Yeah. And you’ve got about when I calculated your equity based on your partnership share you have six, a little 610,000. So if you’re telling me you make 3,500 a month. So let’s just call it 40 grand a year 40 grand divided by 605 equity is 6.6%, bro.

Yeah, it’s not that great. I’m looking@thisblockfi.com thing, and you can put your money in stable coin and get 8%. that’s just kicking it. But yeah. Granted, you don’t get the tax benefits, but you’re spending a lot of time and energy on this stuff and that’s correct.

That’s exactly correct. You’re not putting , an amount of time and energy and then, the depression lets you go. Yeah. So here’s I think where you have to think, you have to like, do the mat, add that other extra line on your spreadsheet with return on equity percentage and your equity and how much you’re making.

And then also, going back to your original, your side gig, right? Like at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, what is your highest and best use, Maybe it’s, I don’t know. I get the feeling that you’re at a dead end job already. And you’re like, whatever, but maybe you can expand this thing, right?

Maybe you can five X that in the next couple of years, do your accounting side gig and that’s likely where your highest and best use instead of screwing around with these little North Carolina properties and just go passive. I think that’s, I don’t know your situation entirely, but I’m guessing that’s probably the highest and best use for your time.

Just like a dentist or doctors, just going back to work. Sorry, buddy. You may not like it, but that’s just, it’s Tom Brady to skull spin the football. That’s all. You’re good at man. Just keep doing that while you still can. You’re echoing my, one of my business partners to comments, the same conversation that I had with him.

Yeah. He actually said the same thing that, when you have to look at, what’s the highest ROI in terms of your time. Yeah. And I know what, which way this direction is going. I would start to put these. Properties on Roofstock if you want to my guy, I can connect, give you a warm connection, but I would play some on Roofstock while they have of tenants in place.

So you don’t ruin the income stream. And I would say start the conversation with your partners on being like, all right. Let’s force straight a little bit. Maybe you would like to own these properties outright. Perfect. You get to hone down and this is where you can be strategic and be like, all right, maybe you can dump the capital gain on them where they own it.

And they just give you cash. Now. I don’t know if that’s kosher tax-wise but. we’ve been doing a part a little bit of that already, because you know that, the partnership in twin cities, we have, we used to have 10 units. We are down to eight. We are going to get down to seven.

The way we did it we each took one property, remember it comes with all the other things, the County gizmos, the property distributions and what have you. But yeah, we are doing a little bit part of that, lane. and you said that, that conversation was only forced because, my partner, he was overstretched.

And he said that, he wanted his, kind of portfolio to be a lot more. So it’s almost, the same conversation gets held by multiple people. Yeah, most people want these properties paid off and most people want properties that are, they can feel it, touch it in a local area. So I’m sure you can find another sucker to take these off your hands or maybe bring them in as a partner first and then giving them the taxable gain.

But at the same time though, what you’re saying is that you want, Le B blot lens, the OSHA B, is that a lot more, less hands-on and that look at more, through the passive, syndication opportunities, right? Yeah. And this is going to take a long time, right? Like I had 11 rental properties and I sold.

it’s seven of them in 2018, two of them in 2019. And it got still two of these things that I’ve been trying to sell for over a year. that’s, it just takes a while, your destiny is shaped in your decisions, but I think you’ve made the decision. I don’t know if you made the decision. I know you definitely made the decision that to sell some of these, but overall, I think you need to make that decision.

Are you going to go all in on this accounting thing? are you, maybe we’ll get to this last question. Are you there? Are you at escape velocity? How can I tell that? I asked you your net worth, right? Yeah. I think you we figured it was somewhere around 1.4, 1.5.

Correct. which shouldn’t be the case. She should know that’s the score and we should know what the score is at all times. I think the problem is you got all this like money. That’s like not doing anything right now. It’s in stocks, checkbook, IRA, all this type of stuff. self-managed texts.

this is all I don’t like these checkbook IRA or self-directed Roth IRA is at all. you want the tax benefits today? Get it out of that stuff. Invested cash. Especially if you’re younger, which you are, I think that’s classic limiting belief, right? Oh, I’m too old. That’s playing that’s for old people.

what are you like? 41. Kidding me, man. not old. Yeah. I think what is retirement age? 65 or something? It is. I think only if you’re ordering 65, then the self-managed tax event accounts makes sense Roth and all that stuff. Or you make a whole boat load of money. You don’t know where to put it, but every situation is different, but, yeah, you gotta pull the Goldie man.

You gotta get the stuff working, either buy more rentals or syndications, or this is the problem. You’re fighting with one arm tied behind your back. You got 500 K of equity working, but you got another 500 K just sitting here doing nothing.

So now let’s see, I like to use is you’re trying to fight a war here. You get half of your soldiers back at the barracks, smoking weed and taking naps.

you got half on the million dollars fighting on the front lines and freaking Minnesota, North Carolina, Nebraska. Doing kamikaze runs for you. You got Bobby A. Little bit more than a half? Not doing Jack, not doing anything. So I’m not saying that these guys need to go on the front lines, buying some properties and winsome Salem’s James toddler, but get ’em get on making something.

Not saying you have to put it in a syndication, but like maybe, I dunno, throw him an HB or throw them in like infinite banking, get them going, get five or 10% of this stuff. That’s, what’s hurting you, but once you get, let’s say you only have half a million dollars in the game right now.

And even at best half a million dollars at 10% cash flow. That’s. 50 grand a year. That’s nothing. You got to get these guys in the game. So at 10% you can be at a hundred grand a year. And at that point you’re at zero gravity, you’ve got that escape philosophy and you’re at critical mass. So you’re there.

I think you just have to move things around , but then it comes down to your goals. At your current spend level, is this what you want that you, I think you narrowed my problems. They’ve been very well because that’s what it is that my current spend level can I achieve? what I’m saying that I should be achieving in 55.

Yeah. And this is where your means might expand to you have to go at this harder or at their current. Are you going to be able to send your kids to college or is that a thing with you guys or. Do you have a thing with us? we have, which account is applied 29 plans, but, I stopped investing into it.

our goal is, to make sure that, they have enough money for the first two weeks. Yeah. Okay. Are you on track to hit those goals? Yeah. Okay. cool. yeah, if you’re at your current spend level, you’ve got that passive passively. But you don’t, you got to get the other stuff working a little bit, but you’re there essentially.

the reason I asked that question is have you have the, for some people listening, they may like, Oh shoot, I don’t have that money as fat save. okay buddy, you’re going to have to go with some North Carolina, whatever, like I have to do more stuff. But it seems like you’re there.

If that’s truly the case, of course you should probably sit and ponder or how you’re going to piece this together, but for you at a million dollars in passive stuff, making 10%, and maybe it grows a little bit better than that. Yeah. You’re there. You just have to, I think your problem is you got to pull the GoLean and get these guys work in a little bit harder.

Not harder. Yeah. Yeah. You said you had a five 29. how much you got in that part of that testing advantage? So I have about right now, 58 between two daughters. Yeah. Get rid of that stuff, man. That’s five 20 nines are like college savings pants for the clueless investor cash. You’re better. You can run it a hundred percent and the person, because there’s no guarantee that my daughters, even though we want them to go to colleges, that they would do that.

Yeah. put it into if in a banking and invested for them.

yeah, that’s, I think a longer topics, I have to follow up on what you’re teaching about infinite banking. I have looked at the numbers, so I need to look at that a little bit more closely. Yeah, but it’s eat, you pay a lot in fees in the beginning, but you got money, not doing anything right here.

This is not doing anything. And that’s the thing. They take you to a breakeven and the infinite banking, because what, when I calculated it, I saw them that the breakeven is about five years. Yeah, we’re on there right now. But like it’s for people in your shoes for the better kind of hemming and hawing.

And for a few years, with over half a million dollars, not doing anything.

the inefficient liquidity people that you are. Inefficient you’re right. but, I did some of the stuff that you have been, preaching on, lane and thank you for opening my eyes, because this is the first year I’ve taken that Kobe distribution, so started pulling money out of, that I thought that was never, untouchable or not, but you’re right.

You just have to. be intentional about it, So did COVID distributions, moving, money from, 401k loans, they remember that they, Ramsey principles, you never do that, but I’ve done that and it’s working out fairly well for me, So those things, have opened up, you were able to help me open my eyes up. I’m just giving, entertainment here. you get it. Take these ideas, but I guess my goal is to dispel all the dogma and what people normally do because when people normally do get you what they get, but to put you in a group of other people that are doing the same thing, that are taking their 401ks out, at least makes you make a logical decision, Without prejudices in there. Okay, let me ask him this. And he’s been inspecting your time. I wanted to ask this question that I did not document here, but, I know the answer, but I’m hoping that, just by use, answering it, other people would learn, which is that, what do you recommend for, how do you choose, which vindication group you want to invest with?

What are the things that you decide before you invest with the syndication group? I’m a little bit, I can underwrite the deals so I can decode the code. So I just pull the rack rolls and P and L’s, and I run it through my analyzer and I see what it would pencil out as a, what I’m trying to look for is what kind of assumptions are these guys use?

Are they using like a zero? what is the reversion cap rate it, is it the same as their insurance? Cause that’s, I think that’s irresponsible. what is their rent increase per years at 3%? Like you said, that’s way too high. most newbie investors are looking at silly things like what is the GPLP split or where the acquisition fees.

That’s not the way to look at it guys. but assuming that most people don’t know how to do that. That’s again, where you look at, it’s good to invest in good areas path to progress in case the syndicator falls down that at least the, it was in a good area. but then again, it’s mostly just investing with, via proxy that you have people that you trust that are pure passive investors, that they can vouch that they invest with somebody and you might as well try it out yourself.

It’s like the whole, like you’re at an intersection, this car is making a left turn. I don’t look, I just make my right turn if they’re going right. If they get T-boned well, at least I won’t get the brunt of it, but I’m assuming that they’re checking. So if I have a built a relationship with another pure passive investor, not just, I had one beer with him, or I talked to him on the phone for 10, 20 minutes, but you build rapport over time.

You have a reciprocal relationship. And now you share what deals you’re going into, they’re going into what deals aren’t working, what deal is, and you can build that type of relationship where if they’re going to make that left turn, you’re going to follow them in a way that takes a long time to develop.

I never had that when I first started, but that’s really the gold standard. Just like how I asked you. Going back to, Oh, how did you find that guy in, Minnesota, right? The agent? I was listening for that, so I was like you said, I knew this guy for a couple of years, right? Like you had built up that relationship and rapport and you guys, you knew this wasn’t just a one guy dropped into the local Rio or put a few posts in bigger pockets or something random like that.

this guy was there. maybe you probably check for social proof on other people who’ve worked with him in the past. you did your due diligence, not like a bone head and most people. Do you do this, that really wrong way. And I think that’s shown why you’re able to navigate the successes really.

and the other part is being accountable to have accountability plan, accountability partners, but most people are not able to do that. Most people are unable to build relationships with people. the next generation, the gen Z or whatever, they’re going to be horrible right at this stuff.

Absolutely horrible. I tell you I’m losing the battle. , I do not see any interest on my daughters. I keep on trying to put them to just menial tasks or attack these, they’ll understand that it’s not, I don’t want them to grow up to be a trust fund babies, but they are pretty much growing up to be like that.

Yeah. that’s something I’ve tried to build on the curriculum. I don’t have kids, but I know on the upcoming mastermind, I asked people. Do they have older kids, younger kids, they don’t have kids. And then we’re going to split up people in different breakout rooms based on that topic and give them speaking sheets.

So you can speak to people that have younger kids like yourself. But my only take on that from my perspective is if you’re getting them menial tasks, that sucks. Why would I want to do menial tasks? give me. Show me the rewards, right? Just like the profit first thing, show me the, give me the, my 5%, even if it’s super small, I want some, give me some skin in the game.

Just like your spouse, middle skin in the game, you take some arbitrary, random $8,400 distribution. That means nothing to them. So you gotta figure out a way to get skin in the game or, but I don’t know how it works. some people swear by the game cashflow for kids. That might be a good one and then bribe them to play, whoever wins gets 10 bucks.

I don’t know.

Yeah. any last things or you think you’re good for now? I’m going for an hour. the other things that I’m going to follow up on the website I think you have talked about this a little bit, that, as you have moved into syndications and how you have learn how to operationalize, designate, how does the asset management work, but those are a lot deeper conversations that I just need to really read up on the materials that you have on your website.

Yeah. So by the time this goes out, I’m sure we’ll have the syndication eCourse done. Okay. let me check that out. Simple Pasa castle.com/courses. it’s done and it’s pretty good. Good. but yeah. thanks for doing this. And people will want to, you guys want to volunteer and put yourself out there.

Ahmed was like, yeah. Transparency. Put yourself up there. let me know, and we can do one of these for you, but hopefully, it was helpful for everybody. And thanks it for volunteering. You’re more than welcome. Thank you for having me on.