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Episode 150 – Apartments to Mobile Home Parks with Paul Moore
Take the hint from other high level investors and be aware that MFH Apartments is where a lot of new syndicators are starting businesses and where all the gurus are teaching about the space. It might be time to look elsewhere other than Apartments and into mobile home parks.
Learn more about the asset class here – https://simplepassivecashflow.com/mobile-home-park-investing/
Top 25 questions to ask a property management company during interviews

For passive investors the property manager is the most important person on your team. That said it is very underpaid and extremely difficult to find one and keep them. From a property manager’s standpoint, its not a really good business to be in because you get to see the worse side of owners and tenants, there are low margins, and turnover is high.
What do Property Managers Do?
- Advertising for tenants
- Screening tenants
- Inspections and maintenance
- Collecting rent
- Evictions or working with judges
- Reports
- Takes trouble tickets from tenants and source out contractors
- Takes trouble tickets from owners
Here is the list of questions to interview a Property Manager
Dummy waring: don’t be a jerk when asking these questions. Let it guide a conversation instead of playing stump the chump. You need a good property manager more than a good property manager needs you… make sense?!?
Remember: There must be a personal level of connection. Can they carry on an intelligent conversation than give you the text book answer?
- How long have you been a property management company?
- What types of properties do you manage?
- What type of insurance do you carry? What happens if someone sues me?
- How many units are you currently managing?
- How many property managers and assistant property managers does your company have?
- What associations do you belong to?
- How many vacancies do you have right now?
- Avg. Time to fill a vacancy Lease Structure?
- Do you have a sample lease? Do you do a 1 year or 2 year initial lease?
- What is your late-rent policy?
- Do you keep late fees or owner?
- Perform regular property inspections? How often?
- What % of tenants do you evict?
- What is legal charge of eviction and process?
- What are management fees?
- Any other fees? (Cancelation, eviction, lease renewal ($200-500, or nothing), marketing, account set up)
- What do you charge for finding new tenant & leasing?
- Do you charge a fee when my units are vacant?
- If I decide to sell my property, do I have to list it with you?
- How do you market your properties?
- What is your repair process? And at what dollar amount am I notified for approval? How do you handle communication with me. Via a portal? Phone calls? Do I have a “point person” in case of larger stuff?
- How do you screen prospects?
- When will I receive my net income monthly?
- Do you do direct deposits? Can tenants pay rent electronically?
- References if available to talk
Where do I find a property manager:
- Referrals are the best way: BiggerPockets forums if you don’t have any network already but be careful with “Cheap Easy Free” options – make a simple request for property managers in that area or private message a few investors local to that area
- Yelp.com
- Google Reviews
- See who are the property managers on listing sites like Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist
Other discussion happening in our Passive Investor Accelerator & Mastermind
- Does anyone have opinions about these “tech-enabled” property management companies like mynd.co and greatjones.co? Has anyone used them? Would love feedback.
- Also, what are people typically paying for property management? 10%? or less?
- I was plugging in 10% into all my numbers. Some give discount for portfolios e.g. 9% when you have 5+ But recently when talking and analyzing stuff with ABC TK they have some PM in certain parts of country as low as 6%. 10 is the most I’ve seen and most common though.
- When I was looking at Turnkey’s, 8-10% was the range, with most being 10%. I think I’m paying 8% now, but that extra percentage point or two would not be a deciding factor for me on Turnkey management.
- The big thing is what the lease up fee. I’d rather pay 6% and 50% of the first months rent than 10% and 25-50% of the first month. Plus you have to think about the price of rents. When I had rentals in seattle I was paying 6%. And its good to not nickel and dime these guys too because they control your fate. Who cares if they take an extra few points if they are passive aggressive and upcharge/lazy bid your 200-600 on repairs every few months.
7 Questions I used to Interview my last Commercial Property Manager
- What types of properties do you manage? Normal sizes/asset classes?
- How many units are you currently managing?
- How many property managers and assistant property managers does your company have?
- Air filter policy (how many changes per year) and cost?
- What are management fees?
- Any other fees? (Cancelation, eviction, lease renewal ($200-500, or nothing), marketing, account set up) What do you charge for finding new tenant & leasing?
- What is your repair process? And at what dollar amount am I notified for approval? Weekly calls?
Sample interviews are available in the eCourse material
Don’t do this…
Here is a sample of a contract from a turnkey provider that a Mastermind member redlined.
Not giving any legal advice but the sheer amount of revisions to the turnkey providers contract may make them balk at having you as a buyer especially in a strong sellers market.
Its like that time you went out with a date with someone and did not really like them (redline the heck out of their contract) and you want to politely never want to see that person again… well same thing.
PS – Check out the tip on the 2% seller paid closing costs language
Word document provided in the Mastermind share drive.

Is All Debt Bad Debt?
Lane’s comments as of 21.10.24:
Quantitate easing (QE) is scheduled to start tapering which means that the inflated stock market might be coming back down to real life Price/Earning rations.
Many of us who have been in our Hui community prior to 2020 knows that when the government says one thing that it takes awhile for it to actually happen. But that is just my educated speculation that tapering QE will be here in some for for several years to come.
That said what we have not seen yet is the eventual wave of inflation which happens when you pump trillions of dollars of fake money into the system.
People who use debt effectively will come out ahead as the tides rise. Where those who are unable to get into inflation hedging assets (boats – figuratively speaking) will have what little wealth they have eroded away.
Specifically… if you are paying down debt – more than the minimums….
Student loans, home loans, car loans.
You are doing exactly what the system/bank wants you to do.
We are not telling you to have your debts to go into arrears. Instead we are saying to pay off the minimums on your loans and focus other cashflow to buying more income producing assets such as real estate.
Do the math and the numbers will tell you what to do. Take your lazy equity and get it working. Use this simple spreadsheet to find that lazy equity.
From 2009-2013, as I was buying rentals on my own I definitely made my share of mistakes. One of these was to paying down my mortgage (debt). Here is one of those checks where I paid down my debt. Little did I know that sophisticated investors don’t do this.
FORBES – Is All Debt Bad Debt? – By Lane Kawaoka – 19.03.29

Debt is something that is generally regarded as a bad thing. On the surface, it makes sense. Personal finance teachers are very against debt. They offer advice like freezing your credit cards in a block of ice, paying down your mortgage as quickly as possible and never splurging on a $5 latte as ways to avoid or eliminate debt.
But debt is a tool, just like a hammer is a tool. A hammer can do a lot of damage, especially if you hit yourself over the head with one. The same principle applies to debt.
That’s why you’ll observe smart real estate investors, those people growing legacy wealth, excited about accumulating more debt to acquire properties. There is a difference between “good” debt and “bad” debt.
“Bad” debt is used to purchase things that do not produce more money. “Good” debt makes money by being invested in assets that produce income and capital gains.
I have been asked a lot about whether certain assets or liabilities are good debt or bad debt. There is no rule that a certain interest rate is the split between good debt or bad debt. Although most consumer debt (credit cards, personal loans, etc.) falls into the latter category, it’s not particularly because they generally come with interest rates over 20% — but because they create little to no income.
For example, a 4% student loan that allows Junior to get a college degree that doesn’t help advance his career would be one instance of bad debt. In contrast, good debt could be a 12% interest rate on a bridge loan to acquire an apartment building that produces 15-25% a year profit. As a bonus, when the funds required for the interest payments plus principal payments come from the investment itself (i.e., the tenant pays the mortgage for you) the loan is essentially free and creates cash flow.
There is a large misconception out there that all debt is bad and there is no difference between good debt and bad debt. The misinformed investor looks only at debt amount and interest rate. But the sophisticated investor looks at cash flow and the impact on net worth. Cash flow is the figurative oxygen that keeps you financially alive, and the impact on net worth is monitored by the percentage of return of equity.
Think of it this way: If you had to wait till you had all the money to purchase a rental property or home in hand, you might never acquire any asset that had the potential to create cash flow above the interest rate payments.
Semi-sophisticated investors may try to not leverage themselves to the max by taking a loan-to-value ratio of less than 80%, considering this to be “safer.” However, putting up a larger down payment may drain your cash reserves. The savviest investors know that security lies in the monthly cash flow, which builds up a large cash reserve account. On the flip side, taking out a smaller loan for a smaller asset will yield less cash flow.
Investing without debt is like cooking without gasoline: Of course, gasoline can be dangerous, but if we learn to use it properly, we can see better results. Investors who utilize debt can transcend the current money paradigm that most people live by. Numbers people see it as a simple argument of interest/return rate arbitrage where they pair a lower interest rate with a higher rate of return. It’s a game of arbitrage and it is at the core of the banking industry.
Is Your Debt Good Or Bad?
To evaluate your investments and create an action plan, write all your debts and assets out in a list.
Write down the description, balance amount, interest rate per year and what income it is producing as a percentage per year from the initial cost it took to acquire that asset. Identify which assets are producing the least amount of money after paying off the debt service (interest). Some of these may be negative. Consider selling or liquidating some of those in order to acquire assets that produce positive income.
Real estate is a time-tested asset that produces income and is a commodity where the demand is not going away. However, it’s advised to also consider other assets that produce income.
It will take some time but if you prudently leverage your holdings with more and more good debt, you will be able to reap the rewards of a guilt-free, bad-debt splurge such as your dream car, vacation home or private-school education for Junior, because it will be paid off by the cash flow from the other good debt investments. In those situations, you will find a new level of ownership of that purchase because you truly earned it.
Saying a loan to value (LTV) is too high on a deal is a blanket statement. Much like saying a steak takes 9 minutes on medium-high heat… BBQ aficionados will give you some formula based on weight, thickness, and then a core temperature. We are real estate aficionados! You can learn to be one here.
Most of our group these days are Accredited investors with a net worth over 1M and/or make over $250k a year. That said you might be well on your way with a net worth over 250k and/or make $100k a year. If you are any of the above join our club and invest alongside us in real assets. If you are to either of those levels yet you might want to clean up your finances and use this debt elimination system. Plus ask for our free Basic Financial eCourse.
138 – Fundamentals – Crypto Currency Basics with Andy Lapointe
YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/1vVQPdfl_So
Also check out Buck Joffrey’s podcast on cypto: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/consensus-network-cryptocurrency-news-education/id1436793238?mt=2
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Is dealing in Cryptocurrency dangerous?
Bitcoin grew in value by 1,000% in 2017.
Ripple was the best performing crypto, which had gains of 36,018% last year due to its ease of use. Each coin of Ripple is worth a small fraction of a Bitcoin. The technology makes it easier for banks, payment providers and businesses to send payments globally. They promise to deliver an experience that is instant, traceable, and inexpensive.
NEM is an enterprise blockchain with “smart assets.” It can also be used to manage things like currencies, financial instruments, supply chains, and notarizations. Think how eBay or Amazon takes data from UPS or USPS to track your packages, but a lot bigger.
Other Cryptos:
Ardor
Stellar
Dash
Ethereum (2nd biggest Cypto)
Golem
Litecoin (getting in mainstream vernacular)
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136 – Changes in the Residential Lending World with Graham Parham
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Graham Parham: New Awards:
- #1 in units at Highlands Residential Mortgage for 2017
- #11 in state of Texas and 92nd in the US according to The Scottsman Guide and
- Mortgage Executive Magazine – 1% top originators in the US
- Top Ranked – Ask A Lender
Discussion today is 1-4 unit income properties, not owner-occupied.
- 20% down on first ten financed properties? 25% for 2-4 units?
- DTI considerations when using HELOC from primary residence to invest?
- Credit scores down to 620. Max. credit score that helps?
- Reserves?
New Fannie Mae Reserve Requirements for Investors with Multiple Properties Owned
The Old requirements were six months Principle, Interest, Taxes, and Insurance (PITI) on the subject property and two on all other properties up to 4 leveraged 1 – 4 family properties excluding the primary residence. Properties 5 – 10 would require six month PITI on all properties.
The New requirements are based on a percentage of the unpaid principal balance on each loan excluding the primary residence.
- If a borrower has 2-4 financed properties, the reserves of 2% of the unpaid principal mortgage balances are required, excluding the principal residence and the subject property.
- If a borrower has 5 – 6 financed properties, 4% of the unpaid principal mortgage balances are required, excluding the principal residence and the subject property.
- If a borrower has 7 to 10 financed properties, 6% of the unpaid principal mortgage balances are required, excluding the principal residence and the subject property.
The aggregate UPB calculation does not include the mortgages and HELOCs that are on
- the subject property,
- the borrower’s principal residence,
- properties that are sold or pending sale, and
- accounts that will be paid by closing.
The subject property will still have monthly reserve requirements based on the total mortgage payment (PITI). Reserves are funds that you have access to liquid or non-liquid. Reserves are funds you need to have after the closing your transaction. Funds for reserves cannot be your funds for down payment or closing cost.
Fannie Mae now will allow for 100% of the Non-Liquid funds, not 60%
Non-Liquid funds can be used for reserve requirements.”
- IRA’s
- 401K’s
- SEP Funds
Gifts are NOT allowed on an investment property.
- Investor interest rates how much higher than owner-occupied?
- Mortgage sequencing. Example: if buyer wants to buy in Memphis today, Jacksonville next month, how should they plan?
- Overall, lending climate more lose or tighter than 1 year ago? 5 years ago?
- What should a prospective borrower do before contacting you?
- 1031 exchanges Cost and funding
- What cost are covered in the exchange
What is UP with interest rates?
4 Factors that determine your mortgage interest rate:
- Credit Score
Credit Scores Adjustments
- 740 +
- 740 – 720
- 720 – 700
- 700 – 680
- 680 – 640
- 640 – 620
- % of down payment 20% or 25%
- Loan Amount Adjustments
- Property Type
What about the 15 Year fixed?
Does it make since to pay points?
What is the difference between Mortgage Brokers and Mortgage Bankers?
What are overlays?
Does Fannie Mae have a black list?
Are Appraisals regulated and by who?
Is there an appraisal black list?
What happens if the appraisal does not come in a contract price?
Closing cost differences between lenders
Should I pay cash for my investment properties or use leverage?
The next example will show the benefits of using 20% down leveraging for properties versus buying one property and paying CASH.
If you pay $150,000 in cash for one property, your net cash flow is $1245.00. By putting 20% down with an 80% loan to value and a 5% interest rate, your net cash flow is reduced to $600.81. Let’s not stop there. Keep in mind that 20% down payment on a $150,000 home is only $30,000. If you bought FIVE $150,000 homes and put 20% down on each with the same loan terms and monthly rents, you could increase your return on investment by $1759.05 a month to $3004.05. Invest your money wisely.
The net cash flows do not take into account the annual city, county and state property taxes and the annual hazard insurance. The numbers may vary considerately by the taxing authorities. You will have to include that information in your bottom line.
Graham W. Parham has been a Mortgage Loan Officer for over 18 years with 25 years
in sales and marketing. He is a leader of financial expertise in the North Texas
residential real estate market, developing a significant following among homebuyers
and investors. Known and respected industry-wide, Graham’s production consistently
ranks him as a top producer in this market place. According to Scottsman Guide
Graham ranked 92 nd in the US loan originators.
Graham offers invaluable insight into a purchaser’s likely requirements, providing an
exceptional business ethic of customer service and respect, catering to their needs from
pre-qualification to closing. He is a truly dedicated person, who strives to ensure that
each transaction is handled in a timely and stress free manner. By employing these
standards, Graham has established a solid reputation for going the extra mile to put
together the absolute best financing available for his clients. Graham prides himself on
staying ahead of the curve, keeping up to date with the latest products and industry
trends.
As an active investor himself, Graham has a strong insight on what his investment
buyers are looking for to accomplish their short and long term goals. Knowing that
investment loans strongly scrutinized, it is up Graham his team of underwriters who
understands rental property loans versus that of an owner occupied residence. His
general knowledge of REO properties and Turnkey providers coupled with a strong
operational staff allow his loan closings to be seamless and “On Time Every Time”
Highlands Residential Mortgage, LTD. is completely submerged in the real estate
investing industry and has access to many lenders nationally. Our clients benefit from
up to date guidance on all conventional investor loan programs, and less known
creative financing strategies. Knowing that an investment loan will be far more
scrutinized, it is Graham Parham and his team of underwriters who understand a loan
processed for a rental property versus that of an owner occupied residence.
Just as you would not seek legal counsel from someone who does not have a law
degree, nor should you trust a loan originator for your investment property loan from
someone that is not an investor themselves. Highlands Residential Mortgage, LTD. is
an unparalleled mortgage lender whose delivery sets us apart!
Graham Parham’s team mission is to consult every investor based on those
individualized situations and goals. Whether you are buying your first home or
investment property, we carefully look at your options that will give you the best
opportunity for success. Because we know how important your investment financing
strategy is, our extensive research and knowledge of those programs will be brought
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Cost Segregation & Bonus Depreciation
As a real estate investor, imagine using Cost Segregation as a real property investment strategy that will grant you tax free cash flow from fixed assets and allow you reinvest even more (and possible lower your ordinary income).
What is Cost Segregation?
This is one of the easiest and fastest ways to squeeze a little extra profit out of an investment. If you have ever played those racing video games where you modify your car (like Gran Turismo) it’s like paying for that cheap computer chip upgrade to get an extra horse-power boost, it’s a no-brainer.
For those of you who aren’t ex-gaming nerds like me, it’s “low-hanging fruit”.
A cost segregation study gives a tax benefit to the taxpayer to take advantage of current bonus depreciation laws (starting to phase out slowly in 2022) in order to depreciate their assets by taking a loss on paper.
The cost segregation specialist/engineer analyzes the components of a commercial real estate asset to create a cost segregation report to equip the tax accountant or CPA the needed breakdown of the asset in order to make the depreciation determinations.
To better understand the benefits of performing cost segregation, you must first understand depreciation.
Depreciation is where you reduce the value of your assets (in this case, your real estate properties) due to natural wear and tear over time. There is a type of depreciation wherein the value of your fixed asset (real estate properties) depreciates faster than it should be. This speedier depreciation or most commonly known as accelerated depreciation.
Let’s look at it in detail: If you own commercial or residential real estate investments, you can depreciate your real estate holdings. A commercial property establishes a 39-year depreciation schedule and a residential property establishes a 27.5-year depreciation schedule. These are the numbers we will use to calculate the rate of our depreciation deduction.
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Above: Example of a cost segregation estimate for a past deal
Below: Another estimation of regular depreciation vs the more aggressive deprecation timeline (what is coined as “bonus depreciation”)
Envision a 3 bedroom single-family home in Birmingham, Alabama that is worth $100,000. Of that, approximately $65,000 is determined to be the building value and $35,000 is determined to be the land value. Each year you can deduct 1/27.5th of the building value, which is about $2,363 a year that can offset income gains. $2,363 can be taken for the next 27.5 years until all the value on paper is depleted.
Is there a catch?
Unfortunately, you cannot deduct the value of the land unless you have made a land improvement, granting that the improvement you made has a “useful life” that is depreciable. Only the improvement will be depreciable, not the land itself.
https://youtu.be/tlI83umq-DE

When you sell the asset you will need to recapture the depreciation. This is the major disadvantage to a cost segregation.
We pay $8000-12,000 on our larger commercial assets to do a cost segregation and our advisors tell us that the general rule is to do a cost segregation if we intend to hold onto a property more than 3-5 years because if we sold quicker than the time benefit to the passive losses we got as investors you be less and might not be worth the price of the actually cost segregation study.
But, guess what?
There are some exciting new benefits to passive losses since Mr. Trump enacted a tax law where 100% Bonus Depreciation creates substantial benefits on your taxes for the acquisition year. In the future, us investors are crossing our fingers that this part of the tax code sticks around.


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Think about this: My $3M, 52-unit apartment, is looking to get more than $266K in tax savings (at 37% tax rate) in the first year of ownership by doing a cost segregation.

If you are interested in learning more about how to best utilize your passive losses, you can learn more here.
Cost Seg Tips and Best Practices
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What is a Cost Segregation Study?
Companies and investors who have constructed, purchased, expanded, or remodeled any kind of commercial real estate (including 1 to 4-unit residential rental properties) since 1987 can use cost segregation studies for maximize their tax savings.
The study allows the owner to take advantage of accelerated depreciation deductions and defer federal and state income taxes on the reclassified building components mentioned above.
A team of real estate investors evaluates several personal properties, residential rental property, and land improvements that can be upgraded to improve the value of the property. Those improvements are assessed with the assistance of a Cost Segregation specialist. After completing this cost segregation analysis, the property owner may deduct the depreciable life of the individual fractional interest (IFI) through a cost segregation study, with or without depreciation. If the taxpayer is eligible and has not failed to take advantage of the tax rebate, the taxpayer may claim the expense directly within the given year of the seller’s ownership.
To elaborate more on Accelerate Depreciation Deductions, it is a deduction of the cost you pay to a person if you own your personal property assets. The accelerated depreciation deduction provides significant tax savings but it is not another type of benefit. The exchange of property owners whose benefit is primarily from cost segregation is a limitation in tax savings. The depreciation expense is deducted at the source rate in another year.
What are the Benefits of Cost Segregation?
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Lower Property Insurance Premiums
Since it generally costs less to insure personal property, versus real property, building components reallocated as personal property should reduce your insurance costs as well which will yield potential benefits in the end.
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Capture Retroactive Savings
Since 1996, taxpayers could capture immediate retroactive savings on properties added since 1987. Previous rules, which provided a four-year catch-up period for retroactive savings, have been amended to allow taxpayers to take the entire amount of the adjustment in the year the Cost Segregation is completed.
This alone is huge!
This opportunity to recapture unrecognized depreciation in one year presents an opportunity to perform retroactive Cost Segregation analyses on older properties to increase cash flow in the current year.
What Components Can I Reclassify?
Components of a specific property or qualified leasehold improvement are identified and reclassified for depreciation over a shorter time (5, 7, or 15 years). For example, 30% to 90% of the total electrical costs in most buildings can qualify for 5 or 7-year depreciation.
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5- year tax-life components
Non-structural elements: carpet, decorative lighting and trim, HVAC systems, dedicated electrical and plumbing, and security systems.
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7-year tax-life components
All telecommunication related systems: cabling, telephone, etc.
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15-year tax-life components
Exterior land improvements: landscaping, curbs, sidewalks, fencing, and signage.

As a Passive LP investor the details of this is not needed as all you need to ensure is that your sponsor is aware of cost segregations to optimize tax benefits.
What is required to have a study done?
You need to provide as much of the original documentation pertaining to planning, construction, and current tax depreciation as you can.
This could include a complete set of:

- Construction plans
- Current tax depreciation records such as tax returns, building cost budget information, final AIA (American Institute of Architects) appreciation
- Document of certification of payment or other cost information, change orders, direct or indirect costs paid by the owner that are not included in other documents
- Other information depending on the project
How much does a Cost Segregation Study cost?
On average, the total fee will generally fall between 5% and 20% of the estimated net present value tax saving. You can often get a free preliminary analysis to help determine this. This can be impacted by how large or small the real estate project is.
In addition, the location, accessibility, and quality of the records and documents will impact the entire cost (costs typically range between $8,000-$12,000). Minimum fees can be as low as $2,000 for small projects, and some firms GUARANTEE a minimum of 500% ROI (fee vs. tax recovery) on projects over $500,000.
Cost segregation studies are typically cost-effective for larger syndication buildings purchased or remodeled at a cost greater than $100,000. A cost segregation study is most efficient for new buildings under construction, but it can also uncover a retroactive tax deduction for much older buildings as well.

What are the steps involved in the process?
First off… if you are a Passive Investor (LP), your sponsor should be taking care of cost segregation for you so you will have one less thing to worry about.
If not, the cost segregation process can be broken down into the following steps from start to finish:
Vet Cost Segregation Firm
Engage a reputable Cost Segregation firm that utilizes engineers and architects trained in Cost Segregation and it’s application to the proper allocation of assets. If you need a referral go here.
Document Review
The engineer determines what documents are available (e.g. planning, construction, invoices, appraisal, and current tax depreciation) for reference and referral.
Schedule Property Survey
The engineer then sets a schedule for surveying the subject property and gathering the available documents for review prior to arrival at the subject property.
Document Recreation
For those documents that are unavailable, time is then scheduled into the Cost Segregation process for document recreation using known industry standard costing data (Marshall & Swift and/or RS Means costing publications). The process takes about 4 to 6 weeks after all necessary documents are acquired. The time that a Cost Segregation Study takes depends on the size of the project and the completeness of the documentation that you can supply.
Conduct Site Survey
The site survey is executed and completed. Surveys can be completed within as little as an hour, but it varies between each survey. Measurements are taken and all areas are photographed for IRS verification and substantiation of asset values during the survey.
Calculations
The engineer returns to the office and crunches the numbers. The number crunching process is when all documents are reviewed in detail, assets are verified, and measured against known costing data, and asset reallocation is applied.
Review
A review committee then examines the results of the analysis completed by the engineer of record to verify its veracity and confirms it meets and exceeds IRS guidelines per the Cost Segregation Audit Techniques Guide.
Compile Report
Once approved, the study results are compiled into a final report that includes: all IRS tax code to substantiate the reallocated assets, spreadsheets identifying all assets categorized according to their building codes, representative photographs of the reallocated assets, and the engineer’s credentials for IRS review.
Issue Report
The final report is issued. The client and CPA of record receives digital copies via email, for application to the client’s tax return.
When Should Cost Segregation Be NOT Considered?
- There’s an attempt to sell within within 5 years
- Not being able to use the losses- planning 5 years ahead and looking back 5 years for taxes; income isn’t enough or PAL restricted.
- No savings of at least 2X cost of study (not depreciation but the existing cash savings)
- Be wary of 1031 exchanges- there are 2 ways to calculate the depreciation to carryover

5. Check that the federal 1031 doesn’t open you up to exuberant state taxation on the state 1031. Note: Many states do not follow federal guidelines for depreciation and personal property ineligibility.
6. Discern if 179 expensing method is a better option (due to presence of limitations)
7. Possess your real estate in S Corps due to many reasons: basis and step-up
Cost Segregation Example #1
Depreciation is distributed to investors on the K-1 Form in syndications.
Not making any promises as depreciation amount is primarily based off building specifics and the amount of leverage used in a deal, but here is a real-life example from a $50K LP investment in a Class C apartment syndication in the first year K-1 in 2018 which yielded a $36K paper loss by utilizing a cost segregation. Extract 10-20x what you normally able to deduct in the first year alone! Take these passive losses and employ the “Simple Passive Cashflow Gravy Train” strategy where you offset your ordinary/W2 income with real estate professional status. For more details on that check out our Master Tax Guide.




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If this is a new concept to you, you may be able to go back to previous years taxes and get back some benefits this year. Oftentimes, getting a quote is free and quick.
A recent quote I got back for a few properties:


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Cost Segregation Example #2
We purchased a $20M apartment and are about to write off $6M in the first year! The total capital raised from investors was $5.5M, that meant almost a dollar for dollar deduction in year one!

52-Unit in Des, Moines Iowa Case Study:


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Other FAQ’s
Are cost segregations something new?
Cost segregations are not new. On the contrary, they have been in existence since 1954, when the IRS allowed for certain personal assets to be accelerated into a shorter life class. However, it wasn’t until Hospital Corporation of America sued the IRS in 1997, and won, that the IRS revisited the issue of accelerated depreciation. The IRS ruled that property qualifying as tangible personal property under the former Investment Tax Credit (ITC) rules, would also qualify for purposes of federal income tax depreciation under MACRS (Modified Accelerated Cost Recovery System).
The IRS Chief Attorney wrote a memo saying, “. . . Cost Segregation, for it to be properly applied, had to involve those with competencies in architecture, engineering, or construction and/or construction techniques, in order for personal property assets to be accurately identified and segregated.” As a result of this memo, cost segregation became a viable tax-saving strategy allowed by the IRS.
Can’t my CPA do a study for me?
CPAs are not qualified according to the IRS guidelines. However, most Cost Segregation firms will gladly work with them on a consulting basis to complete the work for you. Remember, the IRS Chief Counsel issued a memo that made it clear what constitutes proper “methodology” in applying Cost Segregation, and it must be done by people who are competent in architecture, engineering or construction and/or construction techniques. You will want to ensure you are working with a cost segregation specialist to follow correct protocols. See ” Is Cost Segregation something new? ” above.
Why bother do a cost segregation to accelerate the depreciation? I’ll eventually get the deduction.
As investors, we like paper depreciation to occur earlier because that offsets gains earlier and gets more money in our pocket earlier. Just like how you give a mouse a cookie…. Give an investor a dollar early and… they will turn em’ and burn em’.
In other words, you are not creating more depreciation, you are shifting it earlier to take advantage of the time value of money concept.
On the project-level in a single asset LLC arrangement, the more you can lower your tax liability, the more you can significantly increase your passive income and create more value for investors.
A cost segregation study, in effect, gives you an interest-free loan from the government for the first 15 years, which you will then repay interest-free over the remaining 25 years. Wouldn’t you rather have your money now? There are also advantages in doing a study if the building is going to be sold (via 1031 exchange) or if the owner of the building dies.
For bonus depreciation, we just need to acquire. The cost segregation study can be completed in the next year (in this example, 2021).
How much will I save on taxes?
Most cost segregation firms will perform a free analysis if you provide your basic property information and tax rate. From the information you provide, they can calculate a conservative estimate of the accelerated benefits you can expect, as well as their fixed fee proposed for the final study.
Typically, tax savings from 5% to 10% of the building’s original tax-basis are generated, but there are instances where it can be substantially more. Each property and circumstance is unique, so it requires a case-by-case approach to give you a definitive answer.
How much accelerated depreciation can I get for different commercial properties?
Certain types of commercial properties can be grouped together to give us an idea of the percentage of those types of buildings eligible for accelerated depreciation. Your results may be greater, or less than those quoted here, but in general, property that falls into one of the following categories is most likely to result in accelerated depreciation within the specified ranges.
Commercial Property Types:
- Apartment Buildings 15 – 25%
- Dental/Medical 30 – 60%
- Health Care 25 – 65%
- Heavy Manufacturing 30 – 80%
- Industrial 25 – 70%
- Light Manufacturing 20 – 45%
- Office Buildings 15 – 25%
- Research & Development Facilities 30 – 75%
- Restaurant 15 – 30%
- Retail Centers 10 – 25%
- Senior Living Facilities 15 – 30%
- Warehouse 5 – 15%
Will a study increase the chance of an audit?
A study conducted by a reputable Cost Segregation firm should strictly adhere to the IRS Cost Segregation Audit Techniques Guide . The type of study most firms perform places you in Internal Revenue Code Tax Compliance, which actually decrease your chances of an audit. However, you should be aware there are six different Cost Segregation methods allowed by the IRS, and not all are of equal merit. There is currently no standard method, and there is still some ambiguity about which method is best. If you have heard conflicting information about what is, and is not possible regarding Cost Segregation, it really depends on which method is being used.
Will I be assisted in the event of an audit?
A reputable Cost Segregation firm can assist you in the event of an audit. They will focus on doing the Cost Segregation Study to create documentation and support for conclusions so that these are easily communicated and resolved with the IRS. In fact, you should expect a final report that is “all inclusive”. The report should quote specific Internal Revenue Codes related to the reallocated assets. Additionally, it should provide photographic evidence of these same assets for complete substantiation of the assessment. A properly documented Cost Segregation Study helps resolve IRS inquiries at the earliest stages.
What if I lack some of the needed documents?
A cost segregation study can still be performed even if you lack some of the necessary documentation. Construction, engineering, and other specialists will do an extensive site visit. They will measure and estimate using currently accepted costing techniques and pricing guides (such as the IRS-recommended costing publications Marshall & Swift and RS Means ) to determine the costs that qualify for shorter recovery life periods.
Who do I contact for additional info?
For more information on Cost Segregation or a free analysis, contact me for a referral Lane@simplepassivecashflow.com
Reward Yourself
Combine cost segregations with an Opportunity Fund Zone deal and wow!
Why Syndication Investors Do Not Do 1031 Exchanges?
I paid 4% in taxes in 2018 because of the passive losses that real estate gave me.
Bonus depreciation has made 1031 Exchanges obsolete, group your passive losses on non-participatory deals as a real estate professional – more info.
(Here is a cheaper service for cost segregations for single family homes or under $2M assets, but I am personally a little skeptical).
The video below shares some of my thoughts against a 1031 exchange because you are a distressed buyer.
Additional Resources
Cost Segregation Basics
Depreciation Examples
Investor who received $98,000 in Passive Losses from investing $100K
Why Real Estate Became Better Than Gold
Do KPs or Loan Guarantors Receive Depreciation?
Nate Busch Tax Company
Sample K1 Form
Dental Office Case Study
Pre-Construction Case Study
Ranch Resort Case Study
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I don’t personally like these accounts for my own investing even though the future gains and withdrawals are tax-free because you can’t use the best Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan products when investing in your IRA.
Unless you are using a QRP (Qualified Retirement Plan).
With syndications using leverage (as most good deals do) you will be likely opening yourself up to UDFI etc taxes.
In the end, I want the freedom to enjoy the money now and not have to wait till I am 60 something.
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David from Military to Millionaire
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You can buy up to a 4 unit
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