Pruning your rentals + Outsouring debt with Enrich Author Todd Miller

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Now on this podcast, you’re going to be hearing me interview an author that wrote about, enriched about building wealth over time.  There were a few things in this interview that I clashed over. Here’s the thing, like a lot of these authors, it’s nothing to take much to write a book these days. I’ve done it. You guys can check it out and on Amazon and it ends up an Amazon bestseller. Thank you to those of you guys who dropped in on it. The title is the Journey to Simple Passive Cashflow and you can check that on Amazon by the way, but, I think the thing that we’re clashing on is, this guy was saying, you should file these properties and pay them all down, which is a very logical strategy for most people.

 

But again, you never want to be like most people, cause that’s typically maybe not the best way of doing things, And I’ve been trying to distill this down to different thought processes. Is it debt? Is it more loan to value? If you guys didn’t listen to me, some of my rants on this. Loan to value is some arbitrary number. To me, what it comes down to this year, debt, service, coverage ratio, what are your monthly payments to pay the debt service and what is your cash flow?

 

And if you want to go, how the professionals do, what the banks do when they underwrite our deals, they want to see that 1.25. you’re dead surfaces, a hundred dollars. They want to see $125 of cash flow coming in. So that there’s a bit of a margin there. Now you can artificially create that debt, service coverage higher by putting more down payment on which do you guys know?

 

That’s not what sophisticated investors do. They put the least amounts to get that cash flow and that returns as high as they can, but keeping that debt, service coverage ratio, right at that optimal point at around like 1.1, 1.25, I think that’s, one could argue that it’s better to be higher, you give up some of those returns.

 

So that’s where you are as an investor. And personally, I’ve been on this journey where I was big on tertiary markets, Which have higher caps. Now the problem with higher caps and the reason why they’re higher caps is they’re not as staple locations to invest in. I probably  was one to say that I’ll never invest in Hawaii or California because of the low caps.

 

And, they don’t cash flow in cash flow is what you need in a case of recession to hold onto the asset. But yeah. The good thing about those kinds of markets like New York, Chicago, Miami, Hawaii, Seattle, and all of California is that it’s a very stable place, people want to live there and you have to look at both sides of the argument there.

 

So where I’m thinking as you’re new, as your net worth grows over $5- $10 million. Now you start to get away from the tertiary markets. For sure, it gets to more the secondary and the primary market, probably with the primary markets overall, which is why I probably still won’t invest there at this point in my life.

 

And my journey is because there’s just so much competition in most areas. There’s so much, dump on sophisticated money in Hawaii, Seattle, LA, Where they’re just people just buying properties, reporting on it too, for legacy that those are the kind of people that push up the pricing. And that’s a second layer to this. No, there’s a few things to be thinking about. And I think this is where, you really need a network and this is all we tell people, Hey, if you’re stuck, if you’re tired of just dealing with people who just don’t understand investing on this level, join the family office, Ohana mastermind group of, or details in that go to simplepassivecashflow.com/journey.

 

And before we get going into today’s interview with this author, I had a question. It seems like a lot of the investors are worried about interest rates coming up  and I think yes, it does really impact the numbers. If you’re a buy, hold and pray type of investor. And I was a buy, hold and pray type of investor from 2009 to 2015, when I was just buying these little single family home turnkeys. if you guys want to go download the analyzer at simplepassivecastle.com/analyzer, you can download the spreadsheet and you play around with the numbers. you change the interest rates from 4.5% to 5% or maybe five and a quarter. And you’ll see that cash flow drop, maybe you’re at $300 and it drops to seventy-five bucks by making that one little move on the spreadsheet, and I think most of our investors understand this sensitivity analysis when interest rates do make these bigger jumps. 

 

But, this is why I’ve personally gravitated towards value-added types of real estate as we all know wealth comes to those who create value and value can be in the form of many things. And, but ultimately the bottom line in real estate, and how much net operating income does a property produce or in the business world, increasing your Vita. Now, when you are increasing. The value add or the, when your value adds a property, increasing  rents per se, and you’re increasing that net operating income. It makes the interest rate that holding costs less of an important factor to use in an extreme case, like a house flipper. House flippers  don’t care what he’s paying for his debt service; the good ones will, they’ll be able to cherry pick lazy investor money at 8%, maybe 10%. 

 

Beware, If you’re one of those people who take on, lend money to house flippers, and you’re getting 15, 20%, you’re likely going through a middle man who’s selling your basic linear money through an unproven party. That’s why you’re getting paid so much but that’s a side note. I don’t want to invest in private money notes. I don’t invest with people who are less than five, $10 million net worth these days. Just net worth is a level of sophistication, in my opinion, these days for me. That’s just the class of paper that you’re buying, Because when you have those higher rates of return, even if you’re collateralized with the house flipping project, it doesn’t matter. But I digress. So getting back to my point, these house flippers, they really don’t care what they pay for their cost of, 10%, 20%.

 

It doesn’t matter because they’re buying a property say for 300, you’re putting in a hundred grand in and they’re flipping it 4, 5, 600, maybe even more so that holding cost is, maybe on the scale of 10, 20, $30,000, if in that six month project per se. So that’s an extreme case, And when they’re holding onto a property for one to five years That interest doesn’t really matter. Yes. It piles up. And it’s part of, you can definitely see it in your monthly P and L’s, but if you’re value adding that piece of property, whether that’s a home  flip in that house with burst case where their value adding at 200 grand, you can see how that Brittany trumps that holding costs, maybe even a tenfold.

 

Now, I like the approach of going into stabilized assets where there’s existing cash flow. No light to moderate value add and nothing crazy. definitely I would be on the less on the side of the spectrum of that house flipper, where they’re going after huge amounts of value add, and they could care less about the interest rates, still not to that extreme, but still this my point is that the interest rates don’t really matter as much when you’re doing value. If you don’t trust me, go look at how much money is built up through the routine equity, the net operating income divided by the cap rate in the beginning of the project, and to presume cap net operating income at the end of the project, divided by the prevailing cap rate and the difference of the money made.

 

And then see how much the debt service compares to that. And I think what you’ll see in most value add projects is the carrying costs of the interest costs. Sure. it’s hurting your monthly P and L and your cash flows, but it is a very small relation to the bigger gain. I would say these days, even with a lot of light value add projects, the majority of the money, let’s just call it two thirds, is coming from the retained equity, build up the value, add pop at the end, as opposed to the cash flow. I think back in the day, maybe like 2015, I was seeing deals like in Memphis, which are tertiary markets that I don’t want to invest in which garbage areas, but they have high cash flow and really not as much value add in a separate project because. The location sucks, let’s just call it that in those cases, you would see deals where maybe half of the returns were coming through cash flow, or maybe a little bit more and the smaller portion.

 

So a large portion is coming to routine equity through the years. But, I think that’s why some investors who haven’t caught onto this concept, they feel. Okay. These investors are a little capital area. They’re still doing stuff in the face of all these industries. but when you really look at the numbers again, what is the routine equity portion versus the cashflow portion?

 

You start to realize. Yeah,  who cares about paying a little bit more on interest payments because that’s nothing compared to the end goal of, unfortunately you have to wait maybe several years to realize that. For newer investors, lower net worth investors. They may not feel comfortable with it, but as we always tell investors,  you need to start acting like an accredited investor and more, which is more of a long term for license credit investors who don’t really care what is happening on a monthly, quarterly, or even annual basis.

 

They look at things more on a two, three year time horizon or three to five years. So they zoom out. And when you look on that side, when you’re looking from those lens, Now you’re looking at more, they care more about what is their equity, how’s their net growing over time, as opposed to are they getting their monthly cash flow so they can pay the bills because affluent people, wealthy people accredited plus investors, they got their bills.

 

Take care of, they’ve got that cash flow already. If you’ve got that bass. So their primary concern is, of course, keeping their money, which is why they invest in real estate because it holds its value. And it goes up with the pace of inflation. But they like it because they can add value, and they can realize these huge racks of big gains, but they gotta wait for it. But, I think that’s a difference between, less sophisticated investors who really enjoy getting those monthly paychecks from the rent checks, from their tenants, and all that type of stuff to more of a sophisticated investor who is able to zoom out the little detach, but really compare the two investment strategies on a longer time horizon. 

 

But yeah, I’m pretty confident interest rates will come up a little bit more, but, I think things will subside and that is why we’re taking a little bit of a break. And especially because we’re seeing a lot of newbies getting into real estate and investments and apartments and like the other day I saw like a deal going up for like 120,000 a unit.

 

And the pitch deck was saying, they’re going to value adding it to you. It’s 200,000. I’m like, dude, that’s not going to happen. And that’s the kind of the stuff that’s happening all the time makes me think,  maybe the king of the door has closed, or it’s, just operate what we got.

 

But then again, like you always got to do something, I think that’s the mistake is to, yeah. Especially coming from new investors  who haven’t done Jack or at any point is they’re always looking for that excuse not to do anything. And I think that’s the one thing that inflation has really illustrated to a lot of folks, myself included, that you just can’t stick your money in the bank account, doing nothing.

 

Now the next level up is putting it into an infinite banking plan, making 5% tax-free. I think that’s better than nothing. And I think as somebody who’s pretty conservative, I think that’s the next great option. If you don’t know what infinite banking is, check out our free. I think it’s like a three hour eCourse at simplepassivecashflow.com/banking. you got to sign up to get access to that e-course but there’s a little info page for you guys to read up on the concept, but, enjoy the show guys. And if you guys have any other questions, please submit it over and we’ll see you next time. 

 

Today, we have the author of Enriched, Todd Miller. We’ll be talking about various topics surrounding wealth, time, money and meaning, but Todd, why don’t you quickly go over your step journey towards financial independence from the beginning.

 

Hi Lane, sure. Happy to do that. And it’s really a pleasure for me. Be a part of this community and to be here with you this afternoon, by professional background, I am an entertainment executive. I’ve worked for an, in Hollywood for half of my life and my career rocked and I actually did not realize the importance of creating and accelerating financial security.

 

Until years into the career. When I had successfully reached the proverbial corner office and was miserable and I was handicapped by my financial insecurity. And that’s when I recognized that financial security is foundational and most people think of it as the end point. The ultimate prize for a long and perhaps even punishing me professional path.

 

And to me, it’s the starting point. And the sooner a professional can accelerate financial security, the more and the quicker and better that one can scaffold a life of meaning and importance and relevance and enrichment, which is ultimately where everyone wants to be. I retired about two years ago and don’t look back. 

 

What is it that you can look back on that kind of pushed you over the edge and pissed you off? Or what was that thing? People always have that thing that they could point to. I think we have to back up and I’ve been obsessed with the work-life equation and how to maximize that equation, really for twenty-five decades.

 

And I would say that my whole journey with optimizing work in life, that began in my final semester at Columbia business school, when I was flabbergasted, how many of my brilliant classmates seem to be making an incredibly foolish and short-term career decisions based on us, based on the size of a signing bonus.

 

In other words, choosing company A over company B because company A gives a couple more thousand dollars upfront and that is really puzzling. No, that was widespread behavior at the time. And I thought, can we be bought so easily? Am I missing something in this? And the deeper I progressed in my career with a Hollywood studio, I guess I was fortunate to have a series of events which caused me to be hyper aggressive about getting work and life to work together. 

 

And I quickly figured out the work-life balance thing and my life rocked, my career rocked and everything was going well until my priorities changed. My company also changed. And, I just found that the higher I climbed on the corporate ladder, just the more distant I felt from all the things that attracted me to the business and to the industry and to the role.

 

I guess for me, the pivotal moment was I was hoping to get fired and to receive a parachute. Yeah. So where did this idea come from? Why did you want to get fired?  I was miserable and I no longer enjoyed my work. But yet I was addicted to the paycheck. What was worse? The people or the job work that you did?

 

I would say it was the culture because of the politics. What exactly? Trying to peel back the onion here, trying to get some emotion and get, not get high level, like where we are. Look the higher you go, really the less exposed you are to the actual business. And I found that I was spending most of my day, every day, on a lot of nonsense internal issues.

 

Most of it was political issues. Just as such as territorial control. Hey, this is my responsibility, or, differently in Hollywood, there are many ambitious executives, everyone’s trying to grab a piece of the pie from someone else and jump over other people.

 

And just a lot of the days were spent in corporate in basically survival mode, trying to take down someone else, and just really just trying to score points internally, as opposed to actually advancing the business and looking at the situation that I am describing in a particular Hollywood context.

 

It’s relatable to many industries in a corporate America, whether it’s Silicon valley or wall street, that at some point in particularly at more senior positions, the political dynamics tend to outweigh and overshadow  the real business of the business, and that was what I found myself in, and I found that the company made decisions, not based on meritocracy, but really, because someone shine someone’s shoes.

 

And I was just, I became disillusioned with that situation, and that led. Increasingly that just led to a disconnect between what I wanted, and the reality of this job, but I couldn’t walk away from the job because I’ve benefited from a very hype high paycheck. And I have mouths to feed, and a family to support, and so the reality of having to grin and bear it, so to speak, that really. It really tended to overshadow everything else. And as much as I had worked on a work-life balance, because I did not have this financial security, I was not in a happy place. And so I was expecting, hoping to be fired and looking forward to the occasion.

 

A kid looks forward to Christmas. And rather than that, it was business as usual and more of the same, and I And I remember this one, it never rains in Southern California, but on this particular day in Los Angeles, it was a downpour. And I left the studio around 6:00 PM. I got in my car, I’m driving to my hotel.

 

I called my father and said, I didn’t get fired. And I was just, explosive and that’s really, it’s a very mentally unhealthy place and unhappy place to be in. And after I basically extricate myself from that very toxic situation, I then made accelerating financial security a primary priority.

 

And I was able to fast track that in a relatively short amount of time, and that changes everything, and so the point I’m trying to make to you and to this audience is that often many professionals subscribe. To the trappings of professionals. So success and career aligning, and it’s often that we don’t recognize the importance of creating financial security as quickly as possible because there’s this solution sometimes correctly, sometimes fall asleep.

 

That one has the security of a great and well Payne. But tying financial security to job security is a very risky business and particularly so for very successful professionals. And so the biggest insight that I’ve learned is to always, not depend upon, any other organizations.

 

For my livelihood. So you didn’t get fired. So what kind of transpired, cause eventually you’ve mentioned, you got to FII about five years. How did you make Pasadena. Yeah. So I took, it took several weeks after that, that horrible experience in Los Angeles for me to extricate myself from the company, but I did, I went on sabbatical which was just an incredible experience, and basically reset myself, reset my.

 

My career, my aspirations, joined another company as chief executive and began a second professional life in a business, in an industry that I truly enjoyed at the time. And so as soon as I was on that second career, I then prioritized building financial security through real estate.

 

And while all this was transpiring, I was living and working in Hong Kong. Yet I managed to build, house by house, a modest single family, real estate portfolio. In the United States. And, so I took many trips to the U S. Some of these were family trips and many people went to Disneyland while the Millers went to California and we went house hunting.

 

We left with the souvenir to have a house under contract on business trips to Los Angeles. I wouldn’t leave LA until. Had a house under contract. And so trip by trip year by year, I was able to establish this portfolio of single family homes that really created the foundation for me to achieve FYI and to no longer have to work, in order to.

 

To support my family, I got more sophisticated as I got along, but certainly the pivotal point was building that property port portfolio by remote control from Hong Kong. How many assets, average rents, average or just price a little bit. Did you do any rehab or anything? No.

 

So I very much focus on, oh, w let me take a step back. I always believe in focusing on where you want to end up and then working back to the. And generally whether it’s a financial goal, whether it’s a personal goal or a career goal, I think that’s a good process to adapt. And so my objective in building this property portfolio is to build layers and layers of passive cash.

 

And I w I put a premium on passivity, which means that I want this experience to be as hassle free as possible. And as a result of that, I focused on the ideal demographic that I wanted to rent to. And then I asked myself, what kind of property would appeal to that demographic. And as a result of that thought process, I focus on middle to upper middle class, single family homes.

 

And, depending upon where you are in the country, that means different things in different places. But I started originally in Southern California and, and I completely outsource everything with respect to the actual running of these homes. Again, my goal is high pacivity and Melissa and over the rents being brought down average.

 

Yeah. So starting in Southern California, the purchase prices range because I did this over a number of years from $330,000. Ultimately to about $430,000 and the rents associated with that, range from 2200 or so to to currently about 2,600. And so it’s, and I have a number of properties that fall within that range in terms of the cash on cash yield. It has been less spectacular than other parts of the country where I now invest.

 

But the appreciation on those homes in California, and particularly at the timing of the. That’s been quite good. And so once I purchased a number of homes in California I felt that doing that, building that portfolio in California had run its course. And so I then started building a secondary portfolio in Kentucky.

 

How many houses did you get into California before you moved? So I kept at four. And then and right now they’re doing 80% on the value debt. No I am, I have a toxic relationship to debt. And we can talk about that, but I am all like, Okay. So you’re a hundred percent cash in those types of things.

 

Yeah, let’s talk about it. Most times out, I like to use as much debt as I can, as much as I cash it all. But yeah, walk me through the thought process. Wouldn’t you be able to take, you had maybe what, a $400,000 five policies. How much equity was there two mil to two in California?

 

Yeah. So the whole goal, again, you have to think about what the outcome is, what the desired outcome is. And for me, it was important to build financially. And so let’s talk about what that means. Most people think that financial security is a number, a goal, but actually financial security is an emotional state. It’s how you think about money. And for me,

 

I do not want to have it. Or have any anxieties about, about owing something to a third party. And so part of what enables me to sleep well at night is to know that I have zero down. And that helps me sleep well at night. And that is a personal choice, but I went to business school and I completely understand the financial benefits of leverage, which is why I outsource my leverage.

 

So I try to harness the benefits of leverage without that being in my book. And so in addition to these single family homes, I also invest in private placements, both equity and debt, as well as some closed end funds and all three of those financial categories, they utilize that. And if I’m doing a PE investment, I would much rather prefer.

 

That the sponsor gets institutional rates and gets the benefit of debt and have that debt on their books rather than on my books. And so through these private equity, private debt and closed in fund investments, I outsource this level. And so that’s my way of trying to harness some of the benefits of leverage without compromising, ultimately my peace of mind, which ultimately affects my financial security.

 

Yeah. And I think that’s exactly what a lot of our community does. Most of our credit investors are getting rid of their rental properties, going into private placements, that syndication circles, the key principle. Name what are your thoughts on, another reason why they do that, so they don’t get dead in their own name, but it’s also the liability, because right now, even if it’s an LLC you’re pro everybody knows right where to see you. They can look it up and they know exactly where your equity is and how much you have. What is your thought process on that side? Yeah. Yeah. And so it’s important to basically. Wrap these assets into a couple of protective layers.

 

And so one would be some kind of corporate entity, and legally that’s hard to puncture, but not impossible. And then on top of that to get some umbrella insurance, at a pretty high level. And so those are the two ways that I’ve been able to do that, to try to insulate myself. Again, going back to that demographic point that I was making, because I focus on middle to upper middle class homes.

 

That also attracts a certain kind of demographic that hopefully mitigates some potential litigation risk because I would respectfully disagree. That’s why we invest in workforce health. These, it’s not in the state of California, which is the litigation capital of the country, but also a lot of our tenants, they just are not, they just can’t muster a lawsuit.

 

And a lot of times the lawsuit it’s, whoever can power it and pay most for low legal fees. Yeah. Yeah. So I look, I have great tenants. I’m a good landlord. Most of my tenants have been with me for very long stretches of time. All of my properties are very professionally managed.

 

The management companies proactively make sure that the properties are in good order, and I invest in the property. And ultimately, and I believe that if you try to conduct yourself in the right way, ultimately that’s the best that you can do. Yeah, no I would agree with that.

 

But the rental property is just one small part of the portfolio. You mentioned private placements, to what would you say would be the asset allocation X between the direct owners. Too. I like your terminology, the outsource kind of debt or the outsource asset management.

 

I, so I truly put a premium on passivity and I belong. I believe in relying on professionals who have much more specialized expertise than I have. Whether that be tax professionals or whether that be property management professionals, insurance specialists. And I essentially, after I started building these single families and after massing about a dozen single family homes, I basically hit a threshold where I said, No.

 

W when I ask myself, do I want to make this bigger? And I could very much make it bigger and I can double the number of doors, direct doors that I have, but I don’t want to create another job. I left a very high paying job. And so Y.

 

I sold them off. Yeah. Let’s hear it. Why create that? But having said that, I, I like, and maybe it’s my Asian background, where people really. Prize and respect, physical real estate. That’s why I keep the single family homes as part of the portfolio. And I would say that part of the portfolio in terms of my income, because that’s really how I measure things accounts for about 40% of my.

 

But on top of that, I then layer it with private equity, private debt. And I have a very strong position in fonts, and so overall about two thirds of my portfolio is positioned and weighted toward real estate. But I also do invest in them primarily. Muni bond funds. And that is for liquidity and for diversification, just because so much of my portfolio is otherwise committed through long-term real estate investments, whether that’s private placement or during.

 

Okay. So the rental properties are just a bit of a tip of the iceberg in a way. I’m assuming, do you ever look to sell any of them or prune the prune, that part of the portfolio a little bit? I do. In fact, I’m in the process of doing, or at least staging one cell now. I am pruning the California properties.

 

For some of the reasons that you’ve mentioned before, the properties have appreciated extremely well, but they’re just not cash flowing relative to other productive uses for. For that value, like that is contained. And you’ve got a portfolio and Kentucky, as you mentioned, are you thinking about making it more into California properties or different geographic locations?

 

So I very much believe that one should try to have a little bit of specialization, early on. When I was building my portfolio, I actually thought I’d buy a place in LA. I’ll buy a place in Seattle. And basically, every market of the day, I thought, let me buy a place.

 

But I realized that’s crazy and for a small retail individual investor, it just doesn’t make sense. I very much believe in creating some modest economies of scale, which is why for direct investments, I focused on those two geographies and on nurturing an ecosystem of trusted experts.

 

That I can completely lie on and rely on to manage them. And so I am in the process of, and this is a multi-year process of exiting my California exposures. And, I don’t think I’m going to add any more. To Kentucky, because, currently in terms of a diverse diversification perspective, I’m concerned about concentration risk.

 

And so I’m trying to figure it out. As we speak, what to do, where to basically direct that money. And I haven’t conclusively landed on, on, on that last year. And by remote control because I was locked down in Thailand, I did a 10 31 from California and I bought sight-unseen three investment homes and.

 

And I did that because I had this reliable network of professionals who I’ve worked with now for a number of years, that they could be the boots on the ground. And that enabled me to do that 10 31 and basically convert one California home into three Kentucky properties, and that’s the way the math works.

 

So still on the fence of, you’re going to sell some of the California rentals one by one slowly, but you haven’t decided yet if it’s going to go back into more California properties or a different tertiary market or secondary, it definitely will not be recycled into California.

 

And so ultimately I will Lexic California, any couple markets, you’ve thought. Yeah. So I’m looking at Birmingham. I’m actually looking at DC, which is where I am at the moment. But I am also looking at DSTs at Delaware statute, statutory trust as well as opportunity zones as an alternative to buying direct properties.

 

And so I am in a diligence process on all those options. Yeah. So this is for folks listening, like DC is definitely a primary market like California, we’re very low rent to value ratios, lower cap rates. For Todd, this is a very different situation, right? His end game scenario is not an immediate growth.

 

But that’s why you invest for low caps for security and capital preservation in those types of markets. I would say today, if you were going to do that in DC and buy these higher end homes, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to do a cost SEG before 2022, before long, lock in those losses, just bank it on an 82 84 form for now.

 

But I know it seems like you’re still undecided, whether they’re going to go, the lower Capri type of market or Birmingham, I am. And I have a few months where I have a runway for me to figure this out. Yeah. I’ve got a couple of properties in Birmingham. I’m sure. Love to unload if you’d like to buy.

 

Yeah. So Birmingham was one of the markets where I originally bought rental properties, but I’m on private placements, syndications that mostly operate at this point. Great. These are like the conversations pruning our portfolios that want to be safe, siphoning it around a little bit, never staying stagnant, but never making wholesale changes.

 

I, one year I sold two properties in Seattle, bought Knight out of state. That’s a little, wholesale change right there in line change if you hockey fans out there. But these are the, what Todd is doing is very. Prudent and if there are ways to do it right, it’s very good, it’s very incremental.

 

It’s cautious, it’s defensive, but it works. And again, I think every investor has to ask, do I want to build a business or do I want to build a financial sector? And those are two different things. And depending upon how you answer that will then dictate how you scale and structure your investments.

 

So again, Todd is the author of Enrich. What are like a couple of big takeaways from the book, just to give people a little teaser to talk. Sure. So Enrich is about creating wealth in time, money and meaning, and because I’ve been obsessed with this work-life equation for a quarter century through my research, I identified three very common and pressing goals, which tend to.

 

Just Sapp, the life out of life for professionals. And these three core challenges are financial insecurity, time, poverty, and a disconnect in priorities. And so we’ve discussed financial insecurity and how to pay a paycheck. And job security does not create financial security in terms of time poverty. This is a pervasive problem among professionals Ernst and young says that insufficient time accounts for four of the five biggest hurdles that professionals face.

 

And so the third core challenge is this perpetual disconnect between how professionals wish that they could spend their day versus how they actually spend their day. And there’s this demoralizing gap between what we wish that we could be doing. And you know how we actually live our days. And that explains the deep funk that I was in when I was working at that Hollywood studio.

 

And I was demoralized when I thought it’s fire, because just how I was spending my days didn’t relate to what was important to me at that time. And so with those three core challenges, what I encouraged. Readers of this book want to create optionality. So that work becomes a choice and not an obligation and to take control of their lives through intentionality, which is, can you give an example?

 

Of intentionality, right? Yes it’s really about being deliberate and purposeful in how you spend your time. And so a great example is, and what I encourage every listener of this podcast to do is to wake up the most. And ask yourself what will make today a great day, not a good day, not another Wednesday day, but what will make today a great day.

 

And to consider that question on our personal dimension, on a professional dimension and on a financial domain. And then with deliberateness to go about and to accomplish whatever it is that you identified that will make this day a great day. That’s what it means to live intentionally. And so goals and goal setting and goal achievement.

 

They all keep, they actually occupy about a third of. And I dive deeply into the science of goal setting and goal achievement, because it’s so important, but it’s especially important at this moment in time to take control, because one of the biggest facets of this pandemic has been a perceived loss of control.

 

Where events and situations just tend to undermine and supersede everything. And at an individual level, particularly in lockdown, we have a little control. And so at a time when the world seems out of control, it’s mighty important to take control. Where we can in our lives. And that is the power of intentionality.

 

So maybe just give us some examples of you shoot, you’ve seen people make, because I think people understand so liberally that yeah, I got a great life. How I want it today. This is the ideal. But the problem I think people run into is myself included. At some point we’re just running on autopilot and we just lack the imagination to know what those things are, right?

 

Like what, there’s a governor on a lot of us. Yes. I call that the default setting and most of us are not aware of that default setting. It sets. Usually around college time when we’re in college and when we’re in college, we’re directed toward careers. And once we start climbing the ladder, we then spend much effort climbing as fast and as high as we can.

 

Without ever surveying whether or not the ladder leans against the right wall. And part of this default setting is that we implicitly subscribe to a 40 year ultra marathon. To create some degree of financial incision of financial freedom. In other words, we embarked upon our careers in our twenties and we hope to exit if we’re lucky sometime in our sixties.

 

And then we think we’ll be able to live the life that we wish we could have been living all along. How crazy is that? But that is the default setting for which most people unconsciously operate. And so the first step is to recognize the default setting and to recognize that often the juice doesn’t justify the squeeze and then to reject.

 

That default setting, but to be able to reject the default city, you’d need to have something aspiring, something inspirational to work too. And that’s where the notion of life planning and goal setting and goal achievement come into play. Let me give you a great example. So I was in my mid twenties, a few years out of business school.

 

My life was rocking. My career was rocking. I had just paid off all my student loans and I had just spent this amazing three week holiday in Africa with my family. And life, Life was almost perfect. And I was headed back home after this amazing vacation with my family and I was in Dubai at three o’clock in the morning about to board a flight back to the real world.

 

And I asked myself though, do I just go back to more of the same. Or do I go back with some intention and some purpose because I just felt directionless. And so on a scratch piece of paper on the floor of the airport, I scribbled out very long-term aspirations that I had. And once I got back into the office, a few days later, I really looked at that scratch piece of paper, made a couple edits and those aspirations became the first iteration of a life plan.

 

And. I’ve enlarged and developed this life planning system over a number of years, but it’s now become my central operating system and the whole process about making the time to understand what you really value. To understand what your priorities are and then to identify what makes an enriched and meaningful life for you just going through that thought process and articulating a few key aspirations that in itself is a very powerful process.

 

And by the notion of. Laying out what the biggest priorities are in life and then directing your focus toward those priorities. That really is the essence of living intentionally and creating this life of time, money, and meaning, which we all aspire to. What observation there you got out of your noble setting, right?

 

On occasion, you’re able to get out of your default setting. God gave you that traction to do that little exercise. Yes. But I think more than more importantly until that moment, my goals had been, career. Get rid of all my student debt, and I had kinda, and those were modest goals, but I had knocked them all off.

 

And without some team larger for me to work toward too, it was that feeling of directionless, NUS. And yes, getting out of my comfort zone was a great catalyst to recognize. But, I think that we all need to know what we’re working toward because to paraphrase Yogi Berra, if you don’t know where you’re going, you just might not get there with the Trisha CAC. Jessica the cat said something similar, right? You don’t know where you’re going. I can’t tell you where you go, where you are. Something like that. Cool. Yeah, folks want to check out the book. Enrich is the title by Todd Miller, website enrich one-on-one dot com. But any parting words, thought, look I think that, we as investors, we as a nation have been through a traumatic experience over the past year and a half. 

 

And the partying concept that I would like to leave for your audience is do we return to normal or do we aspire to something richer and better? And I would encourage everybody to begin to incorporate the practice of intentionality in their daily lives so that we can go as individuals and as a community to a richer and better normal.

 

Well said yeah. I think most people listening, you guys have already realized that there’s something might be better out there. If not, you wouldn’t have Googled simple passive cashflow, you and haven’t downloaded a podcast. So I think a lot of you guys are heading in the right direction, but keep going on that momentum and pick up Todd’s book Enrich.

 

Again, like Todd says, you have to find something that pulls you, but you gotta figure out what the heck that is. Do the exercises. I also have you guys go to simplepassivecashflow.com/goals. There’s a little worksheet there that you guys can download. And I think we did this in 2019 and 2020.

 

I did a video tutorial. You guys can pull that on the website. I will also say that in the book that I include 11 exercises that relate to different aspects of many of the themes that we have discussed, but that really this book Enrich, goal setting goal achieved. Is such an important process to actually fulfill and create the life that we all aspire to.

 

Everybody. Thanks for listening guys. You only take this stuff so far on podcasts and books. Join the community. Simplepassivecashflow.com/club. See you guys out in real life. One of these days. And if you haven’t yet connected with me, shoot me an email at Lane@simplepassivecashflow.com. Book your onboarding call, and we’ll see you guys next week. 

Why You Need to Live Your Life: Lessons From People on Their Deathbed

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On today’s podcast. We’ll be talking about being on your deathbed. What’s going to happen when you’re gone. maybe get you to think a little bit differently. Now I’m talking to the investor the other day and I corrected them because their whole thinking about investing is buy low, sell high and sure. I guess that’s what most people think of investing in, don’t take more of an active approach or, maybe the 80-20 or the 99% of people out there that buy low sell high.

 

And this is my big thing. Why I don’t really particularly invest in things like crypto. So Charlie Munger, who is Warren Buffett’s buddy at Berkshire Hathaway, went on a little rant, said, and I’ll say it I’ll quote him, “people who want to get rich quick for doing very little for civilization, investing crypto.”

 

And I think this is why I keep coming back to value- add real estate, when you’re value adding, it really doesn’t matter when you’re buying a market down, market sideways market. If you have the ability to bump the rents up or lower expenses to increase net operating. You’re creating value and what the real value is, you’re making better living conditions for the tenants who in turn pay more rents, and then you can sell it for a higher price.

 

And, the trouble with real estate takes a while to get that built up equity, that routine equity out. But it’s one of those business plans that is tried and true. So I was gone talking to this investor and they were talking about their own personal business and they were saying like, maybe I should just exit this thing and take the money and go into crypto.

 

And kinda my thought was, this is a multi-generational business. And if you’ve taken that business as far as you can, and you can’t value adding in any more to improve the business system or as business operators know where it is, creating the wheel is the cycle of this business money making machine. If you can’t make it better, then maybe you should just go and do something that the average Joe does out there, which is invest in  crypto.

 

And, if you’re somebody who can add value to the system, whether it’s real estate, which is, improving units, making better living conditions for tenants, or you have an operational business where you can, I don’t know, just, thinking of ways, find out, find a better vendor supplier, making management improvement within your staff, things to make it leaner or improve the bottom line by improving income sources of your value adding that business or in the business world, that’s the Bita, as opposed to the operating real estate role. But no real estate is essentially a business. I think it’s one of the easier businesses to run because it’s backed by a hard asset.

 

Yeah, just put that thought out there. I think the thing with simple passive cashflow it’s coming on to, what’s the purpose of this and that kind of working with a life coach and the mission is simple passive cashflow is to get investors, out of the rat race, introduce these new ideas so they can change lives.

 

One example would be, like implementing a simple strategy, like real estate professional status and your taxes. Now one spouse can stay at home, check that box and their taxes, and maybe they net, or at the end of the day, because they’re using their passive losses to offset the ordinary income  of course consult your tax attorney and all this type of stuff.

 

And we’ve got a lot of content surrounding taxes at simplepassivecashflow.com/tax. Just to prepare you for today’s broadcast, maybe check out the info page at simplepassivecashflow.com/legacy. To start thinking about, how is this, what are you building towards? You want to invest in things that do value add, overall, why do you have all this money for, I talked to a lot of people that are five, $10 million net worth, and they’re living with a scarcity mindset.

 

And I talked to some people that make $150,000 and their net worth is shy under a million. And they have very abundant mindsets. I’m just in the lucky position, because I still do these free intro  calls, if you guys want to get signed up for the club it’s simplepassivecashflow.com/club it’s my way of seeing where out there and if that’s, to me, as my value adds to the world, I joke around with the staff and I tell them, Hey, I want to have two calls with people everyday. And obviously I want to have good calls with people, not people that just randomly sign up at which we typically filter. But I want to talk to people who’ve been  listening to the podcast, thinking about this stuff.

 

Everything makes sense, right? Passive losses, taking money out your 401k, possibly not buying a house to live in, taking a heloc or at the very least with some of the built up equity that you’ve been having the last few years. And taking that money and going on the offense as opposed, see your money just getting killed by inflation at five, 10%, whatever it is today. you’re going on the offense and creating cash flow and taking part of value, add projects. And it all makes sense, but that’s the role I play as, we talk you through it, we educate you and I think that’s my overall value add to the world as opposed to what we do in business and real estate, which value adding properties.

 

But to me, my value add is if I can have a 10- 15 minute conversation, it pushes them over the edge. And so hopefully you guys go out there, you can change your own lives and maybe make the world a little bit better place to live in. I think that’s the big takeaway, always try and make the world a little bit better place than you found it.

 

Hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. We’re not going to talk too much about investing, taxes, legal stuff, infinite banking, which by the way, if you want to learn more, but if you want to check out the free eCourse, you can go to that at simplepassivecashflow.com/banking. But today we take a break from the hard investing stuff and talk a little bit more stuff that is enriching for the soul.

 

After all, it’s not that hard to get financially free. That’s why we call it simple passive cashflow for a reason.  Today we have Jean Key and Daley who is author of the Reflections of a Single Soul. She used to work as a hospice nurse, and she’s going to talk about a lot of the takeaways she has gained from working with people and that lasts a few percent of their life.

 

For those who don’t know what hospice is. Part where you go, where you’re probably not going to make it back around. So a lot of reflection comes around. And we’ve talked about near-death experiences from a couple of guests prior. This kind of goes along the same line if it’s not your thing.

 

Cool. See you guys next week, but for some of you guys who are definitely on the road to financial freedom like this slowing down, it’s not all about the hustle bustle. I think you guys will find this podcast enjoyable, but thanks for jumping on Jean. Thank you for inviting me. Yeah. So take us through your role as a hospice nurse, and let’s get going through some of the takeaways that you’ve gleaned from that seemingly unenviable job.

 

For me, Lane being a hospice nurse was really one of the biggest highlights of my career. I’m a holistic educator and speaker, counselor and therapist. I started my nursing career in 1965. And there were no hospice facilities at all. In fact that word wasn’t even utilized at that time.  We were not allowed then to even tell people that they were close to death. I remember days in my early career, we were not allowed to tell people their blood pressure or their temperature.  We had to keep imagining  us leading them through whatever they were going through.

 

And I always felt that people should be part of the journey, part of their journey of being ill becoming well or not becoming well.  I felt very strongly that I wanted to help people be able to talk about their worries and struggles and fears and come to a place of comfort and peace and acceptance, particularly about their dying process.

 

And like I said, there were no hospice facilities at the time. So I was very happy to find an organization in Pennsylvania that employed nurses to go into people’s homes and really connect with the patient and the family and the entire situation.

 

And while people say to me how could you ever be a hospice nurse? That’s so hard. Yes. It was very difficult to see people struggle and go through a dying process and see the family being in such grief. However, I believed that I could provide care for them. That was distinctly different from what was being provided in the hospital. And to help them to come to peace with that, to understand more about themselves and their journey through the dying process and into depth and beyond.

 

You were working with more folks on the other side of the age range, right? Things like kids, right? They’re not as experienced. They don’t have that perspective as middle aged, older adults. But how did they take it? Are they aware of their fate? They are more aware. I have three stories of hospice in my book that are very transformational.

 

They are wonderful stories of my three most memorable patients. One of whom is a little girl. She was nine years old. And that story is full of my amazement at her understanding of what was happening to her. She was told she had a brain tumor and she was told that she would not survive. But there were certain things that happened that she survived a longer time than anybody expected for particular reasons. And it’s just a wonderful story. I learned from her.

 

And children are very perceptive. They know when you’re telling them that. And when she, or any child asked me, am I dying? I looked at that and I would say to them what do you think about that? How do you feel? Do you believe that this is happening to you rather than give them a straight answer?

 

I wanted to see what they knew, what they understood and it was, it ended up being wonderful conversations.  Except for the babies that couldn’t really talk.  But they were the children who could speak even the babies in their eyes. I could see there was an enlightenment about.

 

So it was very rewarding. I cried along with families when these patients died. Yeah, I felt so good. And so did the families that we could all learn from these experiences and help the patient and the family to become much more comfortable, much more understanding, much more hopeful, much more at peace.

 

So let’s unpack that one story, right? The older kids are a little bit more aware of how the world works. Because they don’t really think much more differently than us actually all yet, they are a lot more transparent, authentic. One would think.  Do they go through stages of anger, despair, regret?

 

Is there such a stage that formerly you see or they teach you or what actually happened?  My experience was that by the time hospice was called.  These children and I’m thinking of the one in particular, whose name is Diane. These children already have faced in themselves that they are not going to survive this because of nurses coming into their home to help them to become more comfortable.

 

So the conversation with those children was more like I’m afraid. Can you tell me how not to be afraid? That’s what they would say to me. I’m afraid. I don’t want to leave my parents for example.  I’m afraid that they won’t be able to get through when I’m not listening. And so listening to them and their worries and their fears, I found that they had a curiosity about what was happening to them.

 

 And they were not nearly as afraid as some people around them were. And when they expressed fear, they wanted to know what would happen after they died with their parents, be okay with their siblings, be okay, where would they experience after they left this? Or, and they had much more of an understanding just intuitively about the spirit of themselves going on this.

 

It was more of a as more, not really, he was more of us. Sympathetic things to other people, then they’re more concerned with them. What would happen with them personally then? Yes. Yes. Would you say that maybe you haven’t worked with the older folks, but formally is that kind of the traditionally the case with older people, I’ve worked a lot with older people.

 

We didn’t have any. That many children in, at that time, this was back in the 1980s. We didn’t have that many children who were given the opportunity to have hospice care because doctors were still very new at all this. They, they just, they mostly wanted to keep believing that this child was going to live through whatever they were dealing with.

 

And there are still people that believe. That you don’t call hospice until the last minute. And that is somewhat unfortunate because hospice nursing takes care of patients, people, and their families in a way that a hospital nurse can’t possibly do all that. There were special techniques and special pain relievers and special comfort devices and special comfort positions that we all learned could be so helpful to the patient in their own home.

 

And of course now there are hospice facilities, the older people that I’ve dealt with, many of them were more. Because they felt some of the fears were that they didn’t want to leave things undone. They regretted some things that they did or they regretted things they didn’t do. They worried about that, and they were angry.

 

There are two stories in my book where of the three stories, two were adults.  Both a woman and a man who I write about were very angry, very angry. They actually threw me out. When I came in as a hospice nurse, I didn’t need this. I’m just gonna lay here and die. And the transformations over time in those people were just incredibly amazing.

 

And I had to write about them. What did they go to or what do they go from anchor? I’m sorry. Where did they transform?  Both of them transformed into the first thing was pain relief. So I knew that in order to help them, they had to learn to trust me. So when I promised pain relief from that and got them a little bit, more comfortable than I would be able to.

 

Instill confidence in them, in me and trust in me as I shared ways that they could spend whatever time they had left on earth nipping. So living in a way that they didn’t even believe was possible. And in the one story this gentleman I, after he trusted me and he, I started to talk to him about this.

 

What he used to do in his life, what were his loves? What were his hobbies? And he actually ended up in the story to live one more time, doing what he absolutely loved to do with force health. And that just brought him such peace and such joy. It’s still, all these years later, it gets the chills to think about him.

 

It’s like that there again, right in his home. And if it’s over a period of months  the doctors were amazed at his transformation. We talked about his fears, we talked about his regrets and his anger, that this was not at all what he planned, excuse me. He had planned a certain, he was used to a certain protocol.

 

He was used to a certain team. He was saving all the money for this. To buy a trailer and drive cross country with his wife. And none of that was able to happen now when he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. And so finding out about him, helping him to absolutely Reid himself of some feelings that he was holding onto holding back, I accepted all of that.

 

All of a sudden. All of his resentments, just giving him space and permission to talk about all of that was helpful to him. And then there, it led to us being able to help him live his last dream, which was beautiful. So let’s unpack the regrets. Cause I think everybody’s has heard people’s biggest thing on their deathbed is.

 

I regret it. I like to hear maybe a story or two on this, but, I think a lot of sales people would like to use this or regret that if you don’t buy the $40,000 program, you always regret doing it. I think the way I’d like to angle it from our kind of community. A lot of us are hardworking.

 

We spend time on growing business, investing, and being frugal. But regret is not like there’s a reason why you do it. There’s a reason why you can’t live it up today, but you’re seeing it. What are some examples of just to paint a picture for people, real life examples.

 

I did have a client one time. Actually I had his wife and this was when I was doing my holistic counseling full time. And because I do a lot of things in my holistic work. And there was a gentleman who was always worried about not having enough money, although he had plenty of money and because he was so focused on making this money and keeping this money and worrying about not having enough.

 

Making more and he would watch the ticker tape across his television, go by with all the numbers of what was happening in the stock market that he was actually missing out on a lot of this life that would have brought him joy. So one of the things that I felt was important for him to know, and for anyone to know somebody, myself, Is that, although that may be the focus, it’s like time and money, freedom.

 

So when you have money that frees up your time to things, and it’s important to do what you love, do what you love. And as you do what you love, you’re opening up your heart and your soul and your spirit to the abundance that is in the universe as. To live life more fully and because people at the end of their life regret in my experience, regret not doing things they would love to have done on this vacation or spent more time with their grandchildren or spent more time doing simplistic things with their spouse.

 

That even though they had money, which is important in this world, there’s another part of them, the spiritual part of them, the animation of them through this life, where they need to balance out  their life with also what they would love to do and do it. So that was most of the regrets that people had, any changes that, you’ve any personal changes that you’ve done, seeing this transpire multiple times, you’ve changed, made a change in your life personally.

 

Yes, I have.  First of all, I feel whatever worries that I had, my life changed dramatically. I was out on my own.  Doing something that nobody in my family believed in at the time I was supposed to be the leader. I was the oldest of six children. I was supposed to be the leader of a convention.

 

And I instead knew as a young nurse, that there was more, there was just more to life than the rituals that I had grown up with, worrying about money and worrying about time and  that I had to get things done. I always had lists that I’d stay up until one o’clock in the morning and cross off these lists of things to do.

 

And so when I made this transition in. Following my heart and my soul and what was leading me to find out more and more about life and the purpose. Why was I actually here? And I learned meditation and I learned how to open myself up to knowing that there are many ways of being who you are, regardless of whether people agree with you or not, or whether people understand or not.

 

And I took that.  It was a series of events that happened to me, much of which was illness. Every time I didn’t follow my path, that was inside of me to follow, I would become sick and I started paying attention to that. And so the more I followed it, my own path and my own inspirations that I felt were very  divinely sourced.

 

I would have success and I would be grateful for every single thing in my life. That’s a big part of moving through a light to be grateful for everything. And I was focusing more on what I had and what I could contribute. That’s another big piece of it to contribute to others, to give up yourself honestly, and sincerely and.

 

I’ve overcome many things. And I’ve always called upon the spiritual soul part of me to know like many times I was lost, I was alone. I was lost. I was in places that could have been very dangerous for me. And I just utilized all my resources that I had learned to know and trust that I was safe and I got through.

 

 I’ve had many experiences that would be considered metaphysical beyond the physical angelic types of experiences and my own near death experience, where my fear of anything has really diminished. And I feel supported. I feel supported by the power in the universe that breeds us. I feel as though When I determine what it is that is right for me and best for me, the ways and means of yours, it just does.

 

And it’s that I feel much more at peace with myself now at this age.  Not afraid of dying. I really feel like I should live till I’m 150 at least to do everything I want to do still. So what does your somebody say life is about balancing, doing what you want, but also achieving what you want to, how do you, what is your best advice for balancing those? My best advice is to look at what I feel are the four quadrants of your life. So there’s health and wellbeing as one quadrant. There’s another quadrant, love and relationships. There’s a third quadrant vocation. What are you actually doing to contribute, to work, to share?

 

And then there’s the time and money freedom. So I look at those four quadrants of my life and I encourage anyone else to look at support brought buttons and their life. And what are your discontents in each of those quadrants? And what are your longings in each of those quadrants? And how can you think about how you would love that quadrant or several quadrants to look in your life and start taking action?

 

Toward that. So for example, I would, I was afraid when I wrote my book, I was afraid that it’s making my soul so vulnerable and I had fears who would want to buy this book and I’ve got nothing but positive feedback, which showed me that I did the right thing for me. And so that has brought me some that.

 

I’m following.  And I encourage people to really look at those quadrants of their life, to me, time and money, freedom go together. Because when I have the freedom to do what I appear to do and love to do the money will come. And then that frees me up to Look for people who I can depend on and rely on to take care of the money that I’ve invested.

 

 Even if I think I don’t have the money for something that I want to pursue. If it’s really in my heart and my soul to pursue it, I know I will be able to do it. And I believe in trust because that’s the dream and I’m going to take action steps to make that dream come true. As long as I am serving.

 

And I am honest with myself and I am  looking at the other quadrants in my life and where can I balance?  We are really spiritual beings having a human experience. The human experience is temporary. And yet, we each have gifts. We each have gifts to give the world and you are giving a gift flame by helping people to know.

 

How to be successful in their money in time, freedom quadrant, and probably all the other projects as well. That’s why I want to hang out with rich people. No, I’m joking. That’s absurd. Okay. Chill out guys. This is a free podcast. Yeah, but yeah I think of it the same way, like the, I call it the stool. You said it in a different way. That’s a little bit different, but yeah. Physical fitness, money, fitness, spiritual, which I think maybe partly with vocation and then the last one is relationships.

 

Yeah. So the same thing, but I think yours was more. Vocational was giving back, right where it, in my opinion, like less people getting their own money and time straight in a way they can’t move on to the next quadrant. I just don’t. I haven’t, it’s very rare. I see that happen. People need to put their own oxygen mask on before they start given that’s right.

 

So you can’t give from an empty well, and that’s why self care and self nurturing. Is so important. I had to learn that because as a nurse, I was continually getting out to others as the oldest child at six, and my family was continuing giving out and I still do except now I had, I learned over many years.

 

I had to nurture and take care of myself so that I could keep full enough to give to other people. And that includes money. And that includes time. And that includes sharing and effort and it includes physical fitness and it includes enough rest and sleep. It includes all of those. Parts of ourselves that we can feel really great.

 

It’s important to feel great. And in order to do that, I believe that we need to really get honest with ourselves. Look within, listen to that still small voice within that will always lead and guide you in the right way. And then you pay attention to things that open up. I’ve had areas open up in my life that I never could have known were available to me.

 

Unless I followed that inner voice and that includes money. That includes time. That includes health.  I had a reason for coming back from my very put down experience. I didn’t understand it at the time. It took 12 years for me to actually know what it was and I’ve lived well beyond that time now.

 

It’s just for me to share with others right now and tell them that,  look at yourself as a very special human being. Each of us has talents and gifts, and each of us is unique in many ways. And so utilizing those talents and gifts and intelligence and. Resources are actually going to free you up from regrets at the end of this temporary life.

 

And you’re going to say, wow,  I really did everything that I was here to do, everything that I knew to do, everything that I’ve beeped and doing and being so taking care of yourself in all ways is really important. I don’t have that problem. I take care of myself way too much. I think I do think that’s a big thing for a lot of people.

 

They kinda, they need to go for a massage to spend some money on themselves, have a day or half an hour, if that and then just to summarize too, you also mentioned earlier about the concept of  not regret. And then you also mentioned. Earlier, stop worrying. What do people think about you?

 

What do you like at 14?  Like I think most people in their fifties and sixties, they stopped having body issues. Self-esteem issues that worry other people think about nothing says you can’t get there in your twenties or thirties or teach your teens this now that’s I say it.

 

I have. I’m not saying I’m perfect. I still probably think what people think about me, but you just live a happier life and it just gives no, F’s what people think at some point, if they’re not people, aren’t your jam, then they don’t need to hang out with you. Financial freedom allows you to do what you want, which will be one with the tribe that you want.

 

That’s true. I think that the happiest people in my experience are the people that are loving what they do and they’re sharing and they’re giving and they’re receiving knowledge that’s important to receive from others. I feel like as long as we’re here alive, we can learn and I am way beyond my 60s.

 

And I feel very vital way beyond.  And I feel like I have a lot to offer my grandchildren or all in various stages in college. And I feel when someone is truly happy with themselves and doing what they’re here to do, being there. And loving their life. It shows an energy around them.

 

The aura, it shows in their eyes, it shows in their smile. It shows in the way they treat themselves and others. We didn’t want to freak everybody out today. You get, make sure you guys pick up Jean’s book Jean Keegan, daily reflections of a seasoned soul in check that on Amazon.  One quote that I heard recently that we’ve posted in the Facebook group that some people commented on was an image of Steve Jobs.

 

Kind of looks like Skeletor is like the last leg of his life. And here in the sky, it’s just he probably  could afford whatever he imagined, but at the end of his life, unfortunately, his health wasn’t there. And so he wasn’t able to enjoy the fruits of a long life.

 

 And then I don’t know who said this quote, but it stuck with me and that quote was. You know the difference between somebody with a thousand dreams and one, and only one dream is health. So we’re all gonna die. We’re all gonna get old, something’s going to happen. So we might as well just enjoy what we got now.

 

But life is more fun when you have money, in my opinion. So do what it takes to get financially free now.  Any last parting words.  I would like to say that each of us wrote this down. My next takeaway, I think right now, is that each of us is on a personal journey of the soul of three members, our true divine nature, and to live in this world from that authentic place of inherent power.

 

From the place of your authentic self, you can create positive healing, transformative, loving energies that benefit yourself and the world. The journey’s path is so worth every single step to discover your core, essence of truth and live from that place of fullness, peace, freedom, joy, and love. Love being the most powerful of all and enjoy your money.

 

To share as you wish with yourself, anyone else for Borealis one of these days, but yeah, if you guys like this kind of topic matter, check out simplepassivecashflow.com/happy.  I  wrote an article out there that I think you guys would also enjoy. And we will see you guys next time. Thank you very much.

College Admissions Strategy: What Most Don’t Know About

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Hey simple passive cashflow listeners. Now, today we are going to be listening to a podcast they recorded a while ago, as many of these podcasts are. So if anything happens to me and I die, they’ll probably be simple, passive cash flow podcasts going on for another year and a half. So just in case, you’re wondering, but we have lots of staff that kind of help me get these episodes out, in case I cease to live on this planet.

 

Now, I’ve got a kid and, the way I’m doing the whole college savings thing is I’m creating an infinite banking program. Where I just stuff, a whole bunch of money and to here and I’m going to invest it in the first decade or two of the kid’s life. But as they reach the end of their high school career and they may look to go to college, that is when I’ll start.

 

Instead of taking a hundred percent loans on my infinite banking and investing in a better investment. It’s making money in places. That’s when I’ll start to replenish it, if they need it. And this is why I don’t know why anybody does 529 plans because number one, it’s just garbage investments.

 

It’s like the 401k, investing for the clueless. And number two, you can only use it for educational stuff where there is infinite banking. It’s if a kid just wants to go to Portland and drink coffee and play the guitar or whatever the kids do these days you can use that money and infinite banking to invest more.

 

So you can go live your own life or do whatever you want. And I think that’s for those two big things, like 529s, don’t do it guys like seriously. Get an infinite banking program. I think it’s a great way to use your savings for this type of stuff. Check out the free infinite banking e-course at simplepassivecashflow.com/banking. You can get access to it over there, or at least, read the quick primer on this. We’ve had some last podcasts on that topic, but if you guys are in Seattle, I’ll be up there next weekend. Go to simplepassivecashflow.com/event. So while traveling, I always stop over at one of our investors in California, the west coast, and meet as many as you as possible.

 

So see people who  joined the club, simplepassivecashflow.com/club. You’ve booked your onboarding call. And I want to get to know you guys, and I want to attract the right people into our culture and our community and see who’s a good fit for our family office group which is our inner circle.

 

Again, we want to get to know you guys. Join the clubs simplepassivecashflow.com/club. You guys have friends, family, and have signed up on that link too. Another reason to sign up for that link as you get access to insights, stuff that I’m doing I’m actually going off to somewhere. Past Seattle. I’m not going to say where, but I’m just going to be cool. It’s going to be a little bit different than some people are used to, but you only get access to that if you join the club, be with the cool kids.

 

Hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. Today, we are going to talk to a college admissions expert. Try and get you guys’ kids into college. Maybe they’re not so smart. Maybe they don’t have enough extracurricular activities. College, maybe, isn’t everything. But in my opinion, it’s great for networking and it gets people up to a certain level, maybe colleges, the new high school these days.

 

But if you guys haven’t seen the Netflix special, I watched it. It was super fascinating and it’s called Operation Varsity Blues on Netflix. I highly suggest it, but it’s a college admission scandal. Took us a while to figure out what the heck this guy’s name was because it seemed to have disappeared from the internet.

 

It was Rick Singer. So, he figured it out this way to get people in the side door where the back is, people will pay like a boatload of money. I dunno, like quarter a million in billions of dollars to get people into the top colleges.

 

Basically they would find all these  sports teams that nobody ever wanted to join. Like boating the yacht club or whatever, and they make four big profiles. They call this the side door. And it was a lot cheaper and a lot of very high net worth people. And I’ll be honest, whether it’s morally right or wrong, I would see a lot of high net worth people thinking about this type of stuff.

 

With it being a doggy dog world out. And maybe your kids are just a little spoiled or tell me as most, second, third generation kids are right. Nothing to your guys’ fault. It is what it is. Let’s just call it out, by giving your kids or grandchildren a college education in your mind. And I would probably agree that at least you keep them off the streets in a way.

 

So this is important stuff and it might be worth the risk, but we’re going to talk a little bit about how to do this, the straight arrow way. Our guests here, an audio to silver killer boar who runs a company called personal college consulting. So she works individually with people, and does this the legit way.

 

But thanks to the audio for jumping on ain’t. No problem. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Why don’t you give us a little bit about your background, how you got into this type of a niche field? Sure. So I’m actually an attorney by trade. It’s what I’ve been doing for 27, 8 plus years, and got into.

 

College thing by trial, by fire a little bit through when our son was going through it and friends and so forth. And we just, we found out so much about what they’re looking for and how to work the angles and up your profile. And actually, it’s important at all different social economic levels, because if you have financial needs, You’re in a different formula.

 

And then my husband and I were like, we’re getting zero financial aid money, but I still don’t want to overpay. So what we found out about was this whole other world of what’s called marinade, that’s out there and that’s not based on finances at all. It’s based on. How do your students stand out, fit or Excel at the particular institution they’re looking for and that their scholarship band or grant money there to entice you to go there instead of somewhere else?

 

Because basically they’re giving you a discount and you need to know if you want that or, to bridge the gap between what you have saved or can afford for college. That’s really important because. All things being equal. Why would you want to pay 50? If you can pay 40 or pay 30 instead of 40 or whatever it is that your range is comfortable at.

 

So that varies for every family, like where those numbers come in to be. But the point is that those funds are out there and you have to know where they are. How much as possible to get, and if your students are in the running for those funds, just because it’s, there doesn’t mean they’re going to get it.

 

Right, so your business starts with the number side, which is very similar to any other business associate’s mind. People come in for deals, investment returns, taxes, but then you grow your business. You start to realize a lot of the big benefits people get is more on the softer side, that the.

 

Consulting of the students to get them ready for the admission process. Absolutely. For me, it’s all about the metrics and setting the proper foundation for each student. So the more time we have the better and then really advance what we have for them. So they pop wherever they’re looking for. But you run into a lot of times where either the parent or the student.

 

They only know the schools that generally, everyone knows or are local to them and they might not even know why they know that school or why they think it’s good. I’ve just heard of it. Or Mary Jo’s friend went there whoever, and I’m like, yes, but what do you want to get out of it? Because you need to match that up. So I take that emotional side out of it and really focus on where’s the best ideal fit for what this kid can Excel.

 

I’m in my late thirties now. I think I know a little bit more about the colleges than the parents out there, but I’m getting to a point where I’m like, admittedly, just saying that this college has a good football team or University Southern California is like this type of student.

 

I don’t even know if Arizona state is the best party school out there, I’m behind all the time. I guess if you wanted to search by party schools, we could, if that’s the important criteria generally that’s something we might highlight is that a school is notable for it, but it’s certainly not generally what people are searching for.  You do this every day. And I think this is why I really, a lot of smart people, not only for college stuff or this type of need is, you go and hire consultants, people that live, read this stuff all day and you pay them for what they’re worth. And you’re smart enough to know that you’re not an expert on this.

 

Yeah, it’s very helpful. Especially where there are people with higher incomes. We’re also busy working and doing what we need to do to keep our earnings up, that you don’t have the time to dedicate to really doing a good search that fits the needs of your particular student. They’re on their own and they’re certainly not.

 

Any kind of guidance like this at school there, that’s not their job. Honestly, their job is to get your kid through high school, the less problems they have, the better student they are, the less attention they get on that matter. And that’s just the way it goes. So before we dig into the process of what you work with these clients on, let’s have some fun.

 

What are the kinds of the top three? Schools that are the most valuable that people wouldn’t think of. Otherwise, just off the top of your head. Oh, that’s tough because we have caused people to listen to podcasts and they like this free concept that they get. And a lot of people that they just listen to because they have.

 

Sounded cool in front of their friends. So let’s give them, I’ll tell you one thing, for example, the Ivy leagues are fantastic, of course, but for you to really get funds at an Ivy league, you have to have financial need. So if you’re a high earner and you have a talented student, obviously to get in there, you’re not going to get money from them, but then there’s.

 

Amazing other schools that we only have eight Ivy leagues and we have over 4,000 colleges. So come on, do the math. There’s a bunch of amazing schools out there. So for example, I have one student from last year’s class going to Middlebury up in Vermont, right? That school she got, I think a total of $306,000 over four years.

 

So basically costing $1,400 out of. Per year, I think that’s a slam dunk, right? So you have to know where these schools are, where these pockets are. That is fantastic. It’s considered a little Ivy and it’s perfect for her. And yet she hadn’t even heard about it or knew how great it was for the program she was looking for.

 

And it was amazing. So that one just comes to the top of my head because it was such a. Opportunity for that family. Any other couple real quick, you can look at some of the schools while I’m east coast based. So of course I’m going to have a preference for out here. But Hofstra tends to give out a lot of good scholarship money and has really good programs.

 

And if you want to go out into central New York and you’re more tech minded One of their great tech schools is Rochester Institute of technology. Not only has all the tech programs as a stem based college, but has a business school and all sorts of communications and media majors as well. So it’s really a nice mix of a lot of different things that you might not think of when you think of a stem based school.

 

And they also tend to give out very good aid. And then I guess the opposite of that, what are the. The overrated schools that you think, maybe here’s some of mine. I hope I don’t offend anybody, but yeah, everybody gets offended these days. There’s so many different podcasts and colleges go to one of those guys, but, but just so you understand the kind of the type I’m thinking of, but like the University of San Francisco University of Pacific, they are expensive. Maybe not the best, but it’s for folks that couldn’t get into SC it’s, stuff like that. I don’t know, correct me if I’m wrong, but if I’m pulling up this is not what I do. So it’s just whatever, like my opinion means nothing at this. There are some that are overrated that a lot of people will go to, but you’re like, man, really Really depends on the region you’re in because your folks are on the west coast.

 

Exactly. So I’m gonna have a more generic answer to that in that a lot of times you have your big state schools that are your div one powerhouses and football and whatnot. So everybody knows that, so I was like, yeah, I’m going to wherever. And then you look at the metrics of the students that go there.

 

I’m like, really? That’s the best one you wanted to get into. And all right, for me, that’s overrated because if. Metrics grade-wise SAP wise are way better than their average, and that’s what you settled on and you didn’t get funds for going. I don’t understand those decisions. That to me, doesn’t make sense.

 

And adults and off the top of your head, kids went here. When you think they maybe should have been better off here for a certain. Sure. I have one that’s going to our flagship state university, which is University of Massachusetts Amherst, which is a very good school hard to get into, but she got into a different state school in another state in New England that gave her $120,000.

 

If she had gone there, she could have gone there for half the price and the difference would have paid for grad school going after something like, again, I’m metrics and money based. I don’t understand that decision, but you could only lead them down the path. And eventually everyone has to make their own decisions.

 

So she definitely didn’t pick the least cost nor necessarily the best rate. She picked the one that I think had the better party scene, better football team. There you go. So there’s so many other subjective factors. Like I say that, go into it, but my approach is to focus on the metrics of it.

 

What does the student really look for academically? What are they looking for socially? If they have an extracurricular that they’re passionate about or good at, that should stay in the mix because once you take it out at that level, you can’t get it back in later. And then financially what fits the needs financially of the family so that you’re getting realistic about.

 

All right. Even if I can get into the school, how are you going to pay for it? So you need to know your chances of getting in. Money, they are going to range from X to Y. And if that’s not enough, then we shouldn’t be focusing on that school. A lot of these colleges, the pros and cons of them, but for somebody listening that is that podcasts are the cheapest person that doesn’t want to pony up and pay an expert like yourself, what is like that minimum effective dose that they can do?

 

What do they do? What is it that makes a scene? That’s probably very biased. A day or whatever us news and world. Yeah. Whatever that is. Or the JD power and associates of college magazines or something like that, like whatever the heck that it’s worth. Is that the best thing people have if they want to do it the cheap and easy way?

 

No, but it’s one that I use to point out rankings because everyone’s familiar with it. So there’s a lot of different resources and I think the ranking should be. Maybe the last factor you factor into as a tiebreaker. For example, I’m looking at this school and that one everything’s coming in about the same.

 

And then you look at a ranking and say, oh, maybe this one’s more well-known or whatever, and that can help you in those things. But I don’t think you should be picking schools to start with based on us news and world reports, rankings, because. One of my pet peeves with them is that they don’t compare apples to apples.

 

They have everything chopped up in different segments. So you have national college rankings, you have national liberal arts school rankings. Then you have regional north regional, south regional, mid MES, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So how do you know you’re really picky? One of the other lists I like, because it’s just a number again, it’s just like numbers, right?

 

If you look at the Forbes list, If you even make the Forbes list, I think you’re in good company because they only rank about 1600 colleges in the US not 4,000. And they just gave you a better list, right? Yeah. You’re in the top third practically already. And then they just give you a number of one to 1600.

 

That’s great. And then you have things like the Washington review which really did a good in-depth study over a long period of time and analyzed, okay. This is what it’s going to cost you to go here. And what’s your return on investment after. Five years, 10 years, 40 years. And that’s where you can really go and look and go, oh, maybe the school really is overrated.

 

If my return on investment is only X after so many years, so you want to look at those things and then you have stuff like the Princeton review you have, Fisk’s, there’s a lot of different outlets out there that have spent time looking at schools, but not just because. They want to get into your Snoop symbol ports.

 

They’re analyzing them based on how well did the students do after they graduate or what are they employed in? What are they making? How much did it impact their social status? How did they feel about the campus and how was their experience over four years? There’s so many different things to look at there and then give you an idea.

 

If that’s a good value. I really liked print. I think there are 365 colleges. I think they put that out every year and they really focus on schools that have a good value. So again, that concept of return on investment and maybe schools you’re not as familiar with because they’re not huge names, but they do really well for those students.

 

Yeah, that word value that makes people’s ears perk up purpose, that the audience, they love that about value. I want value for my dollar. The price is the number you pay, but the values that you get, not always. Exactly. And I always tell parents when it comes to the social aspect of school. So I like to be realistic, you need to have them engaged and want to be on campus and involved because. For those of us that all have been through college. I’m like, what are you going to do between Thursday night and Monday morning, not study, probably. So what else is going on campus or nearby? And if it’s not what you want, then that’s not where you should be.

 

Yeah that’s what my parents thought. I don’t know why they spend all that money for that. But, yeah so again, check out that operation, varsity blues, Netflix show, but they talked about the Lori Loughlin scandal and it was not only her. It was also this H Macy guy that actually got in trouble.

 

Yeah, you’ll see her name come up. She paid again, I’ve watched the same special, and obviously I have an interest in this stuff. She got in trouble because she paid someone else. And she didn’t realize that she was paying someone else to take her daughter’s SAT. And what she was sold was that Rick Singer told her, oh no, I have a contact you can pay.

 

So she gets more time to take the test because she might have some kind of learning difficulty or whatever. And there are some ways to do that. If you really did need it. But what he ended up doing was this was not the real test. This is a whole side thing. He arranged with someone else reviewing her answer.

 

So her score was way better. And then somehow submitting that to the college board. That’s just cheating straight up, so what are some things you’ll work with folks that are a lot more moral than straight arrow that I think a lot of people just don’t realize is in the bucket of trig.

 

Yeah, we don’t do anything like what this was doing. That’s crazy. But you do want to maximize your portfolio as far as the student’s identity goes. And the more you can, like I said, pop at the university that you’re trying to match with the better. So take advantage of everything that students do, so if it’s a sport and they want to play well, first let’s get real about how good they are at it so that you can target the right division of schools. Are we looking at a div one athlete, a division two division three, they’re all different and then make sure that you’re identifying schools that will value that aspect of them.

 

So if you have a hockey player, that’s applying to a school that doesn’t have a hockey team. It really doesn’t matter. Now. It doesn’t show how great he is at that sport. That’s just silly. You want to make sure that things are in their mix and that fit their level of talent and interest and that the school values that.

 

And when I say they value it. They’re going to give you some funds for choosing them. And that doesn’t necessarily have to be tied in as a sports scholarship. Cause you really only going to get that at a dim fund. So that’s an easy one but let’s just say you just have a smart kid, but they’re really not the.

 

Athletically inclined. They must have some interests. So you want to make sure there’s other things in there for them. But the first thing to do is to diversify by geography. I always look at these things as tiebreakers, this person has the same profile as another person, same grade scores, SATs, whatever, but everybody that’s going to this school is from.

 

And you’re applying from Ohio or California or Nebraska. Right off the bat, you’re going to stand out because you are diversifying their geographical profile versus everybody else that comes from primarily the same area that they’re used to seeing. I know that what you see is right. If you’re an outsider, it’s extremely difficult to get.

 

Where are the UCS? It’s difficult, but it’s not impossible to get into a UC for boys or an outside state. And that’s because your state schools are always going to be financially in the best value. If you will, especially if you’re a higher earning family, that’s not going to get any financial help.

 

You’re going to pay sticker price, at least, the sticker prices that, but what I do with that information, I use that as my baseline. How close can I get to that number? If not better with other schools and generally speaking other schools that are private, have more funds to work with. And sometimes again, depending how you stand out from another state school.

 

Mike comes in, less expensive for you, depending on what’s going on, because remember you’re paying a premium to go out of state somewhere else. So right away, just economically they have more to work with. Do you understand? Got it. So if someone has for example, what I call a rock school in line, they might not be an athlete, but they really want to be involved in that big campus spirit.

 

Another state school that is very well known and very good might actually come in less expensive on net dollars than your local one. And I’ve had that happen as well. So let’s take a kid who is not very good at sports. He’s about a buck 50. I’m not the smartest kid either.

 

Plays a little and is pretty good at call of duty. Yeah. Maybe D and D. Yeah. Colleges don’t look for that. Like where do you take us through your process? So you start working with a kid, ideally like earlier, or like junior year what’s. Oh my God. If I have my blank slate, I want to start working with a kid as a freshman because starting freshman year in high school, you are starting the foundation of everything that’s going to come later.

 

So when we look at GPAs. As a senior for applying, for example, that GPA is not just the number it’s based on the strength of your schedule as well. So someone with a 3.0 versus someone with a 3.0 who took all AP classes versus someone who took all basket weaving has different credentials, right? So it’s the strength of the schedule.

 

So you always want this. To be doing as well as they can do in the hardest kind of class they can handle. And the problem with that is if you don’t address this till junior year, it’s too late, it’s not going to make a difference later. And you can’t, level up if you will. It’s like riding a bike, if you can’t handle it, Yeah, then go ride a tricycle. But whatever it is, we need to know where their lane is and then build on that. So if I can get them early, it’s great. And then you want to start seeing where their other interests are. I don’t care what they do to tell you the truth, as long as they like.

 

And they get good at it. There’s I think a misperception that you have to have a million extracurriculars and have all sorts of, pro bono activities and things going on, and that just, that’s not necessary if you’re good and passionate about something, do that and stand out at it, but figure out what that is.

 

So start early, figure it out and then pursue it. So it’s important to do that. And then I. That is starting to be a profile for this kid and they see where they’re at. And then I start looking for schools that speak to their strengths. So if you have someone that’s STEM-based inclined and they really love.

 

You should stick to those types of schools rather than looking maybe for the liberal arts, but the opposite is true. You have a very articulate, great writer and they Excel at history and English and really math and science are not their best things. Don’t put them in an environment that’s going to stress those types of academics versus the ones that they’re better at.

 

But also keeping there I’m about opportunities and keeping their world open. Because a lot of times what happens at the high school level, you don’t even know what you don’t know yet. There are so many majors out there that you’ve probably never even heard of. So the idea is to get into the right environment in a college or university atmosphere, so they can explore that, but you have to set that environment.

 

And what works for one does not work for the other. My other pet peeve with these counselors at schools that I just don’t think are helpful at all. They’ll just set them off on a little computer program and say, Hey, go look at that. And the problem with that is it’s going to always start with the same.

 

You want a small school, a big school, a suburban school, an urban school. Do you want to campus, do you not want to campus? All these questions, I’m like, how do they know if they haven’t even been anywhere yet? You have to compare apples to start figuring that out, but don’t go Willy nilly looking all over the world for this.

 

You should start with the metrics that make sense for you. And then look at them in different environments and start seeing what stands out for the student. How does the cadence of interaction work? Then, if the parents are smart, they’ll sign you up very early, right? Like maybe freshman year, but what do you do with them for an hour to zoom every quarter, twice a year, or.

 

It depends when we start and how much time, because I’m all about a project-based approach. So I want to set the universe with. Research of who I think we should start poking at. So the more time I have, the more they can consider, then I want the students’ feedback and we’ll talk through those different things.

 

And then you start to see the patterns emerge. What’s standing out to them, what’s speaking to them. And then we’re going to start zeroing in on which ones you should reach out to. Maybe try to get some feedback on coaches or missions, and then setting those visits and becoming known to that institution so that you’re on their radar.

 

So generally speaking, I’m talking to them to start with at least once a month and as things ramp up. Weekly daily texts, zoom, telephone calls. It’s a very fluid and cooperative building rapport with the kids so I can’t tell you how many times we’re texting at 10 o’clock at night.

 

Just Hey, what’d you think of that? Oh, that’s great. That set me off this. And then, and then when they want something a little bit more formal, it’s usually at a zoom meeting. Most of the kids until they’re seniors aren’t even driving. So it doesn’t matter if they’re local or far, it’s the same thing.

 

And we’ll go through it. And then as seniors before, like this time of year in the summer, This is what I want my seniors writing the essays. So we’ll go back and forth. Give me some drafts. Let’s spin off some ideas and then I’ll look at them and go, okay, what do you think here? We’ll go through it.

 

Sentence by sentence, word by word, till we have hammered it down. Cause you have a word limit and you want to make sure that you’re conveying your idea, articulately and accurately. What you’re trying to say, but at the same time, beef up your profile, if you can, in that sort of a way. So it’s nuts to soup, right?

 

Start to finish all the way through until they commit. It would seem to me like the parents that are signing up for this type of stuff, they might be a little bit more on the overbearing side. And maybe do you see any, are some of the kids in it too? Or are there more detract?

 

That’s a requirement for me. I’m like the first thing I say to the parent is one, the student has to want to work with me because I put. Tons of time and effort into this. And I want their feedback. I want them to be able to communicate and articulate their thoughts with me. And if they’re not interested in doing that, honestly, I don’t have time for that.

 

The parent can step back or be as involved as they want, but for the most part, I’m working one-on-one with the student most of the time. Some parents are more hands-on than others. And then others just can’t follow directions. I’m like they say they want help and guidance. And I tell them exactly what to do, and they’re always too busy to get there.

 

I’m like if you’re too busy, now, it’s just going to get busier as they get closer to that graduation date. And then they run the gamut all over the place. But wouldn’t it be nice if the parents just let the expert do its job and kind of help as they come along or if it needs to be, and they’re wonderful.

 

They’re the dream clients. They’re great. Yeah. From the kids that get the most out of it, what kind of a relationship with the parents do they have? I can see some kids. They may not want to go to college, right? Yeah. Their parents think multiple six figures and their day job because they got to college.

 

They have this big degree, but what if they’re, if their student doesn’t want to go to college, honestly, they shouldn’t be working with me that I am not their shrink or psychologist. I’m not here to change who they are. I’m here to present them in the best light possible and find them the best.

 

Situations where they can thrive. And that’s different for each student. Like I’ll have some students that are super talented and then I have others that have the drive and desire. But like you said earlier, they’re not the top students. But they still want to go there and they still have ambition to do certain things.

 

So we have to make sure we’re looking at the right schools for them. There’s a place for them if they want it. But if they don’t want it, they’re not going to go anywhere. So then the follow through, I think those two instances, those examples, that’s workable, but I think the listeners, their worst nightmare is a capable semi capable kid.

 

And it’s just, they’re interested in different things, right? Yeah. And I have one client now where the student is actually very smart and talented. And the mom is very nice, but overbearing and they don’t communicate well at all. I’m always like the buffer and what she wants and what he wants.

 

Don’t really line up a lot. So do you want this? If you want this, let’s go down and do it this way. And then again, do they follow through or not? Sometimes the parents do. Sometimes the student does more or not, but she was all hung up on one Ivy school. And I finally had to say to her, he’s really smart, but he’s not getting in there.

 

And he doesn’t even want to go there. So no, but I’m just like, I don’t get it. It was more about her status. Then what was better for him. And he flat out said, I have no interest in going there. And then when I watched that Netflix special, it became very apparent to me. I didn’t realize that, cause I don’t have kids that age, but like it’s a big pissing contest.

 

Right? Which school your kids go to. And that’s why that guy was able to take such advantage of the high pain of ridiculous fees, because it had nothing to do with the student. It was all about the status for the parents. And that’s unfortunate. That’s not what we’re doing here. I’m all about the students and letting them know, Hey, oh, you’re interested in game design.

 

Wow. Do you know that there’s these schools here that do this and they’re like the best in the country, if you really want to do it? And their eyes might pop. Oh my God, that’s great. I would love to learn more about that. Because that’s their interest. Does mom and dad want to do that?

 

No. What about somebody who’s really interested in YouTube, Ben, all this type of stuff, but they don’t put any effort into anything. W what do you, as a counselor come in and get that stuff. Where are their grades at? Yeah, it depends. It depends where they’re at, they could still do very well, but academically is that where their interest is?

 

I don’t know. But as a side note, it’s gotten really popular on a lot of college campuses is e-sports do you know what that is? Something that’s very competitive and I would advise people not to get it. So that is my own opinion, because my thing is about what is it? You’re okay. Or. But what is it?

 

There’s no competition. E-sports, isn’t it credible, but it’s a club, right? It gives those like geeky kids that just want to play video games an outlet too. All right. I can still be a good student and then I can still go do some of this with kids with like minded. This is probably a subject more for the rich uncle channel, right?

 

Another YouTube channel I do, but from my business perspective, right? Like when you’re writing content, You’re looking at your writing for what’s needed out there, but what is little competition? Some of the worst, it might be wrong about this, but like some of the worst of occupations in the future, like computer programming, perhaps because everybody’s doing it and when everybody does it, compensation goes down and it just becomes more of a rat race.

 

Not saying, I’m not saying I’m sure it’s true. And people who work as pure programmers, please do not get funded. Stay away from the things that are highly competitive for you, especially, if you don’t want to do it at first. Yeah. One thing, if you don’t want to do it in the first place, you shouldn’t even be considering it, but you have hit something, a topic that I try to stress to the parents and the students at this level, because remember I’m dealing with high school students and I encourage them unless they really are helping.

 

A particular profession. I really encourage them at this point in time to not pick a job. Don’t think you’re going to call this to just be X cause most people graduate and go work in something completely different than what they thought they were going to do. Or they go in thinking they’re going to be something major and then five majors later.

 

There’s something else. My focus is what are you good at? What do you enjoy actually putting the time into, to do well with, and let’s make sure we’re getting you into an environment academically. That has more things in that arena, because I believe that then they’ll figure out their path and start to follow what makes them excited.

 

Sure. It might be a bad example, but kids, they might have the foresight to know, oh, there’s business school or business, make money. I want to make money. Is that not legitimate? Like interests? To me, it’s just dude, what do you know about business? I think if you can get into the zone, when you’re doing something and it involves numbers or ratios or calculations and you lose track of time doing that kind of stuff, then yeah.

 

I think you’re going to be more business math, economics minded. And that should be maybe something you want to consider, but if it’s like torture to get through those type of. Endeavors then why would you be focusing a career on? Yeah, I know myself. The only reason I became an engineer, cause that’s what I was brainwashed to do.

 

And one day I Googled what do engineers make? And they’re like on the top of the list without having to go to grad school. So probably I didn’t, I didn’t talk to anybody like yourself. I just went down that linear path, but yeah, I dunno. Pardon me? Let me know your thoughts. So this is just to get them down the line, just get them to college so they can actually grow up and actually get closer to the end game. Yes. I call it hunting. I think college, and I’m a very big advocate of living on campus. So again, getting your boots on the ground. That this is the environment you want to be in because I want them to stay there.

 

I don’t want them to come home every weekend or hardly ever because they should be immersed in the experience. But the reason for that is that it’s really a bridge to adulting. This is where a lot of kids are going to learn how. Grow up and take care of themselves and do things in summary controlled environments still.

 

So there’s a safety net, and that’s important. Otherwise you get out and then what, you don’t even know how to make yourself dinner or wash your laundry and go to work. That’s a basic skill. Cool. Let’s get there, and if you’re just always being coddled by mom and dad, All you have to do is open a book.

 

That’s only a small piece of being able to be successful later. I think a lot of people in our community, the younger and the older folks, because we have two splits in our inner community. They, the younger guys, they’ve been lucky enough to fall in a high paid salary position where they get a hundred, a couple hundred grand right out of college.

 

These guys will go into that and then figure out this financial independence, investing all these alternative investing types of ideas and use that as a way to get on the highway to go wherever they want to go in life. Where the people who have found this stuff a little later, they say it’s a little bit too late to find your passion and your career.

 

So you just work it. Unfortunately. What would make me really happy is that every kid I helped with found their passion and came out doing something. Cause I’ll tell you what my definition of success is for my students. You get into a college that you really wanted to go to, you graduate in four years, you get out and you get a job doing something you like that allows you to be independent and pay your own.

 

To me, that is the definition of success for someone coming out of college. My definition, success, not having too much time to think about it, is to go to a college. Don’t get into drugs. Don’t drop out. Don’t be the president who jumps off a roof and doesn’t, and this is the swimming pool and dies or something like that.

 

Get your punch yourself to a job where you can learn a skill. And then get good at that skill set, but then you said skill sets to get to that next level, that figure out what you want from there. So we’re close. Yeah. You still gotta get through in one piece and the other side, I’m a little bit more of a punting, get them down the road, right?

 

Yeah. Get him down the road, but I want to set them on the right road. Cause I think if you go down that wrong path, Passively showing up somewhere because you didn’t really give it much thought. I don’t think you’re going to have a very vested interest. And doing well there, and there’s so much time and money to be wasted.

 

If you start off wrong and then have to transfer, you never get all those credits. You never get all that time back. And it’s a waste. I see it as 90% of wealth. These families are two to three generations old. And I think part of this has to do with it. I’m a big believer in consultants these days for things like this.

 

Yeah, you went to college. You didn’t, you’re not an expert on college admissions for, oh, there you go. I’m a lawyer. So when people come to me, they need legal advice, but I can’t tell you how many times the conversation will start with a friend who did this and I’m like, that’s great, but that’s not correct.

 

But if you don’t want to hear that, then don’t come to me because I’m going to tell you what you do or shouldn’t do in a particular situation when it’s in my field. But before we get your contact information out there, any last parting words for, parents, maybe with teenagers, young teenagers, now that they’re busy, they’ve got money to spend on this type of stuff, but any other things that you should be thinking or doing day-to-day before, just make sure that your students engaged in actually.

 

Living the process, have them do the best they can. I feel the students job, honestly, as a high schooler is just to be the best student they can be and let the rest fall in place. You don’t have to overstress them out about everything, just let them be the best they can be at whatever they’re interested in and go with it.

 

Have to say, oh, you have to play this sport. Or you have to volunteer here or do all these other extra things to stand out. And I’m like, why? They’re probably perfectly fine exactly the way they are. If you just let them be who they want to be, and then go with it. Some of these kids are rebels. That’s to say that was me.

 

My parents say that’d be the last thing I do. So it’d be cool to have somebody like you to talk with and help you to do well. Yeah. And I think about the kids, and that’s one of the reasons I like to do one-on-one with the kids, because they can tell me something they’re not going to say in front of mom and dad.

 

How far away do you want to go or not far away in some, but somebody might just say, as far away as I can get from them would be the best. I’m like, okay, let’s go with it. That’s not a wrong answer, but it might not be an answer they’re necessarily comfortable, uttering out loud, in front of them.

 

But yet people want to get a hold of you. I’ll let you get your contact information. Sure. So my phone number is (508) 622-5250. My email is nod, NOD, which is my nickname because so many people can’t pronounce my first name NOD@personalcollegecounseling.com and personalcollegecounseling.com is the website and it’s also our Instagram.

 

All right. Hopefully you guys found this useful today. Again, we’re not giving any legal texts, parenting advice, because if you thought you were, what are you guys doing seriously? It’s a free podcast, but yeah. If you guys haven’t yet, please join the clubs simplepassivecashflow.com/club. Book the onboarding call, like to get to know you guys out there and we’ll see you guys at a future event. All right. Thank you.

 

What Success Means to Lane Kawaoka

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Hey simple, passive cash flow listeners. Today, you’re going to be hearing a pretty good interview that somebody had done on me and just, something that’s been going on in my life is looking for purpose, financially free so early, like many of you, you start to ask the question.

 

After when is enough and putting your job, that’s always a big problem. It’s probably the next topic we’re going to be talking about in our family office, Ohana mastermind group. But you guys can learn more about at simplepassivecashflow.com/journey, but no, once you’ve pulled anchor, burned the boats and you’ve gone FI, you’re living off your passive cash flow streams. And things are coming easy, right? Time is more valuable than money. At that point, you just start to spend money on time and you start to ask what is the meaning to all of this? From one perspective you got Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

 

Trying to get whatever’s at the top of that, which is typically growth or helping back to other people’s, but really what is it that’s making you happy? And I’ve been working, and hired a life coach. We’re working on this every single week. And I’m hoping to bring a lot of the lessons that I’m seeing and getting from myself to you guys, especially to my inner circle out there.

 

I’m definitely not going to turn this podcast into a guru kind of Uber boogie type of podcast. We talk about mindset all the time. But it’s definitely gonna be interjected there. And from what I see, if you know where you’re going, you can do the straight line to get there, as opposed to, I feel like I’ve taken a very Securitas road to get here, even though it’s been maybe about a 10, 15 year journey, for example, I probably wouldn’t have bought as many single family homes.

 

Maybe we just bought a handful and then went off to the syndications and private placements quicker. And maybe who knows where I would be today. But, this is really like the next level, right? What is simple, passive cash flow supposed to do? It’s mostly get people financially free to get what they want, get the design, the lifestyle that they want, and this is where it finally comes in this piece where, you know, fulfillment, what is happening, what is in the happiest different for everybody, everybody has a little bit of a narrative kind of what we’re unpacking, going through these sessions, which is like therapy, but a little bit more of a mission standpoint. I see myself as a little bit of Robin Hood here where stealing from the rich gives to the poor, but instead of icy stealing from like the big wall street company.

 

Which kind of duped everybody into putting your money blindly into this type of stuff where you’re going to have to work for 30, 40 years where I’ve seen and proven myself that you can get there five to 10 years or less by prudently investing in cash flowing value add type of projects. Now what they also thought, the Robin hood, and as you also go sideways because it’s not like giving money to the poor.

 

The poor are, what I see though, are the victims of this is you, the working shrinking middle-class, the people who are making a hundred, few hundred thousand dollars a year. You are still living paycheck to paycheck and you’re paying the most taxes out of everybody. It’s not the wealthy, it’s not the people who have already gone to the tax page at simplepassivecashflow.com/tax, and read up there and already, churning, passive activity, losses, doing rep status that’s what the wealthy do, but that’s not the you, the middle-class are doing. And it’s also not the poor people who are paying their fair share of the taxes, it’s you out there. And that’s why, to me, the way I’ve put things in my head is, I’m Robin hood taking money off wall street, putting it into main street type of projects.

 

And in the process, you guys pay less tax. And get financial wellbeing because unfortunately the way that the whole system is engineered, it’s engineered to keep all you guys working because you guys happen to be the most contributors to society, GDP. You guys are the ones drilling teeth, doing surgeries, building bridges, pushing a whole lot of important paper around, we need to keep you guys working. Or not me not, I’m not saying that I’m trying to keep you guys working, but the society’s needs you to keep working, to empower the rest of humanity for. Now you might want to call that some kind of conspiracy theory or maybe call me  Robin Hood, but that’s just something I’m unpacking for myself as the narrative.

 

And everybody needs to find their own narrative out there. We’ll talk about this in future podcasts, but today’s podcast is surrounding a lot of this philosophy stuff, which has been interesting to me. And so hopefully you guys will get some value out of it. If you haven’t yet joined investor clubs that’s simplepassivecashflow.com/club and once you’ve done that, we hook you guys up with a feed complementary strategy call of 15 minutes. And yeah. Hope to reach out, to talk to you guys soon and enjoy the show.

 

Hi, thanks for joining us today on the success podcast. I’m your host Phil Portman. Joining me today is Lane, owner of 7,500 rental properties with over a billion dollars in assets@simplepassivecashflow.com. Thank you for joining us today, Lane. Hey, thanks for having me aloha everybody. So let’s start off with the title of the podcast is success is so what does success mean to you?

 

Success to me is being able to have enough money. So money is a big thing for a lot of our folks. It’s not everything, but it should make your life a lot easier, give you options, what does it allow you to do to me? It gives you the freedom to do what you want, where you want with whom you want.

 

No. So you don’t have to interact with people that you don’t like, or people at work that give you problems. You work on your own terms and you get to tackle the hard problems in life, but what do you do after you’re financially free? What do you do after you’re done trading your time for.

 

And do you have things that you pursue now that you do have the financial freedom to do so that you wouldn’t have been able to and in a normal traditional job? Yeah. Today it’s a little different than most folks, right? We just keep picking up apartment buildings after buildings, because I’m here to create generational wealth for myself and my family.

 

And, on the side product of doing, the website and the podcast is that we teach people how to get financially free, doing this and just dispelling a lot of the stuff that misled misleads, a lot of hardworking professionals out there, myself. And go to school, study hard, get a good job, invest in your 401k, buy a house to live in, pay down your debt, all that type of stuff that the Susie Orman, Dave Ramsey advice doesn’t necessarily apply to once you become financially responsible and get to financial freedom. I love what you’re talking about there, because I think a lot of people have this mindset.

 

You know that they’re going to enjoy success later on in life. They’re going to enjoy it and retire, and this idea that we can save for our future and invest, and that we’ll be comfortable with just the money that we’ve squirreled away and saved is not true, more and more Americans are having to live below their means in retirement.

 

Then. And so what you help people do is break that generational mindset and create wealth. Is that correct? Correct. I think we live in an engineered society where everybody’s taught to put their money into the stock market, wall street, marketable securities, or what I call retail products.

 

And I say it’s retail because these big washy companies are making a boat load off of your back out there. I got started early with this real estate, graduated college in 2007, with an engineering degree, went to work as a construction supervisor, which isn’t the greatest of jobs in terms of quality of life.

 

And I followed this path of going buy a house to live in because that’s what everybody told me to do. Got off the beaten path by renting it out. And then I realized I’ll make it like 20, 30% plus returns on my money. Why doesn’t everybody do this? I’m going to just rinse, wash, repeat this and that.

 

But then, I discovered, yeah. There’s a whole bunch of other passive real estate investors doing the same thing and being able to retire within five to 10 years, do it. And the thing is it’s really not that hard and the secrets that the wealthy do that I cannot teach people today.

 

It’s not how to reach out to the average person. It’s just buried by all the financial dogma that you know, our parents teach us and that’s proliferated through the workforce culture, the cubicle culture. 

 

Absolutely. Can you tell us a little bit about your story, your background, how you got into building this empire today and then what did your friends and family think about this?

 

Were they pretty supportive along the way? Yeah. My parents don’t really know what I do today. I just told them I’m a real estate agent and they just a little bit upset me. I’m not an engineer and I wasted all their college and stuff like. But, that’s parents for yearly spines. I walked this linear path, I call it right. Go to school, study hard, get a good job growing up. I grew up in a family where we were taught to be very frugal with our money. We don’t go to restaurants. We don’t eat any soft drinks. But you gotta pay for that stuff, drink some water, no frills type of stuff.

 

That allowed me to save up my money and pretty well from my day job and I made almost six figures starting out. So I was able to save a big chunk of that, to eventually go buy a house to live in, like I said, and I started to rent it out. And that’s where I got a taste of cash flow, right?

 

When you put a tenant in one of your properties, you get a property management company to deal with all your headaches, to deal with all the repairs. And then you just focus on your highest and best use. So for a lot of my clients, High-paid doctors, lawyers, engineers, entrepreneurs, our highest and best use is not screwing around with little rental properties, but to save our money to go buy more rental properties.

 

And eventually when you become more of an accredited investor, get out of rental properties because of the liability and headaches and go to more sustainable passive investments, such as syndications and private placements as an LP. But yeah, that was my claim that my family saved my money pretty well.

 

From 2007 to 2015, I had 11 rentals and then I started to buy apartment complexes over 7,500 rental properties today. I believe there are over 40 apartments across the country. We invest for cash flow.  I’m pretty passionate about it, obviously. Cause I’ve quit my day job and no longer work at that life where I’m trading time for money.

 

So these properties that you purchase and maintain they’re all over the country, then they’re not centralized. How do you run that as a business? Do you do a lot of traveling? I don’t right now. I have a young kid. Try to stay at home with the pandemic and everything.

 

We hire professional property management to be at the properties of, this is why we focus on a hundred unit properties and above, when you have about 60 units and above, you can justify having a full time person at the leasing office at all times, but where you really get good economies of scales up over a hundred, when you can get a, support them with a couple of handyman to knock out HVACs or plumbing repairs, for some people who are rental property owners, they know you get killed with those third party plumbing repairs.

 

For us, we take care of that stuff in the palace, right? So the guy will before his first smoke break of the day with knockout, those types of repairs, so that’s what our business plan is, and they’re scattered throughout the country, but like more clustered red states where they’re more economically driven, better landlord friendly laws.

 

We like Phoenix Texas, Houston, Dallas, and Huntsville, Alabama. It’s our major market we like to focus on. And how’d you decide on those markets? Real estate, it’s not rocket science. It doesn’t take a genius to do this type of stuff. You don’t need a bunch of PhDs, data analytics, you follow where the population growth is going. And the rent increases per year, which is very gatherable data. You could probably Google this at home and we focus on and ingrain ourselves in those markets and I’ll build back management teams, build broker teams. Just dig in and pick those several markets.

 

Other good markets out there like Florida, the Carolinas, Georgia, the general consensus is that Sunbelt states are where it’s at in terms of population growth. And of course you want to be in the red states. Like I said, as the lab, part of that there’s maybe five or six states that I would pick over the rest of the time.

 

So you said as this doesn’t require rocket science, anybody can research these areas and that sort of thing. What’s holding people back? We know more millionaires are made through real estate than any other method that’s holding people back from getting into this. Yeah. You know what? I think it’s hard.

 

Deals and it makes it incredibly easy for investors to get involved with that. You gotta start from the bottom, right? I had money to invest, right? So most people in this world, or this country are really bad with their money. They spend more money than they make, and they don’t make as much money either.

 

That’s part of the problem for a lot of those folks. I can’t help. That was just not the situation where I was, but there’s also a lot of people. Definitely my minority people of this country, like maybe the top one to 5% were good with their money and they make good money and are able to save 30,000 plus a year.

 

Most of my clients save 50, a hundred thousand dollars a year to put two investments. It seems like a lot, but it’s not massive amounts of money. But that’s enough, if you put away that for five to 10 years, you get your net worth over a million dollars you’re you can go F I pretty quickly doing that.

 

Investing in real estate, investing in little rental properties are a little bit more difficult. That was where I started my podcast, teaching people how to buy little remote rental properties. Most people live in California. You don’t want to invest anywhere near your home. Because the rent to value ratio doesn’t make sense.

 

We look for this one little metric called the rent to value ratio  1% or higher. So you take the monthly  market rent price. So like a thousand dollars a month, and you are divided by the purchase price. A hundred thousand dollars, we’re looking for something that’s about 1% or higher. Your average place in California in the ghetto is $400,000.

 

You’ll read that off for 2,000 to buy 400 grand that’s half a percent. That’s not going to work. That’s the one. All right. We need that 1%. And that’s pop that’s the basic tech behind our investments, man. Like we make a, we pay the debt service, pay insurance taxes, repairs pay the property manager to do our dirty work for us.

 

Put some money aside for big CapEx stuff that they could see to happen, and you cash it. There’s some Delta in the air and you have cash flow and you use that cashflow to add to your annual savings and you buy more properties. Very simple formula. 

 

Great. So somebody wanted to get set up with your program. What does that journey look like? Coming on board with you? Yeah, a lot of the stuff is going to be free on the website. Think of this world, the real estate world. There’s a lot of just fake people out there just trying to swindle, break people out of money. Again, my program’s not for broke people.

 

And I have a big problem with these guys, they have these seminars or they like to teach people how to increase the credit limit on their credit cards. They can purchase the 20,000, 40,000 program and that kind of thing. Yeah. But I get it right. Like they’re trying to focus on broke people who like you sell them to folk, most of my clients are the people who passive real estate is for you’ve had the money already. So it’s a different game, different psychology too. But, we just help people get started. Just investing in that first remote rental property. People are looking to do that. I would say go to simplepassivecashflow.com/turnkey, if you’re more of an accredited investor, that’s where we specialize in, in, the more higher net worth, both building strategies.

 

And when your net worth goes over a million dollars. Sure. You’re investing in syndication deals, et cetera. There’s a whole curriculum or sort around that, but from what my experience is more about taxes and infinite banking, like the nice thing about real estate. I don’t really particularly like real estate, but real estate is the one thing out there that gives you the tax benefit.

 

That allows you. If you play our cards right, implementing a real estate professional status strategy on your taxes, you can drive your income down to zero. So people want to check out my tax returns. They can go to simplepassivecashflow.com/tax. I don’t pay, I haven’t paid taxes for the last couple of years, because all my real estate investments drive my income down to zero. I mean that this is what the wealthy do. That’s incredible. Fantastic. Yeah. So somebody comes and reaches out to you. Let’s say we have credit investors on there. Your program is helping them get started or you’re a partner with them along the way.

 

They’re on their own. Everybody’s on their own, right? This is not nothing where I hold your hand. And the information is out there, right? The podcast is free. A lot of the information on the website, different blog articles are free. I would say, just get started with that. Folks listening out there’s really no excuse not to get financially free.

 

It’s just the problem is there’s just a lot of bad information out there or information out there for other people at different paradigms. One of the teachings we talk a lot about is it may not make sense to buy your own primary residence. To me, I think it makes sense for most people because a primary residence is forced to piggyback, but you may not need, you may be financially responsible enough to not eat this force piggy bank, and you should get on the offense and invest your  money instead of just merely going up with the pace of inflation in your house.

 

Kind of an out there idea, different clashes with normal conventional thinking. To me, I don’t think you should buy your primary residence unless your net worth is two or three times greater than what that house costs. Even if you’re going to finance the house, you should finance the house so you can use the money elsewhere and invest. Those are things that I’ve learned.

 

I just got lucky doing this in 2015, when I got to 11 rental properties, And I was hot stuff at that time. In my late twenties, I started to join different masterminds and got around other high net worth accredited investors other doctors, lawyers, engineers, 10, 20 years down the road of me.

 

And I was like, whoa, they’re not investing in their 401k’s doing that type of nonsense. So these qualified retirement plans. Yeah. They’re not paying down their debt, they’re going into more good debt where their cash flow numbers keep going up and up, they’re doing infinite banking. They’re not paying taxes, not paying too much taxes legally.

 

These are the things that the wealthy do that, unfortunately folks like my parents just, they just never were tuned to. Whether they thought it was a scam or, it’s a lot of, this is just your network. Your network is your net worth and learning the tactics of the wealthy.

 

Yeah and he brought a great point. I think learning those techniques from somebody who has done it is incredibly important. And a lot of people talk about the importance of a mentor. And the first question is, did you have a mentor along the way that led you to where you are and then is that really what people can expect from you as part of your program?

 

Did I have a mentor? Not really. To me, if somebody is really that rich and what the hell are they going to spend your time with though, to you? But we live in an age where you have YouTube videos, you have content, you get like live podcasts. Like that’s the way you get it for free.

 

If somebody is really worth that much at a hearty, hourly rate, with that experience, You’re not going to spend that with you, man, but that’s where you have to take, follow the breadcrumbs and take action with those things. And that’s what I’ve done, right?

 

I don’t really want to take on mentees, right? Like I want to put it out there for free for you to get started. And if you can’t get started, that’s on you, man. Everything is out there. This stuff is not that hard. It’s very implemented. Sure it clashes with your mindset in the beginning, there are the people along the road.

 

So what I focus on is building the community, right? I run a family office ohana mastermind is what I call it for people going from $1 million to $10 million net worth. Typically the term family office is for a hundred million dollar families and above. Where they hire a very smart individual street, smart individual to manage their finances and affairs.

 

You’re not a hundred million dollar net worth, you can’t afford that. So my opinion and the way I’ve pieced it together is through a network of other high net worth investors and just working together, swamp in best practices. So that’s the community that I’ve created using my podcast as a lightning rod for high net worth investors.

 

Like we always say you hear real estate investing. You should go to the local real estate club or the free online sites. But I would highly suggest not doing that. If you have a net worth of a million dollars or more, because that’s just a bunch of broke guys going out to do that type of stuff.

 

They hear real estate’s a great way to get rich. There’s really nothing that a high net worth investor can vote for. And find their tribe. And that’s why I created the family office group and not the other on the other end, you can’t go to the country club because that’s just a bunch of trust fund kids and people who got lucky with some C-level jobs and they invest differently.

 

Absolutely. Yeah. So you’re the other guy, the guy with the high net worth that is looking for guidance to invest this money differently. What type of skill sets should an individual like this have, approaching this because you have an engineering background, I got to think there’s certain skill sets that you’ve possessed, that have helped you along the way with, some of the organization and the structure that you have with your business.

 

But then you also seem to have a little bit of a rebellious attitude as well, to challenge the norm. Are these correct assumptions about you as well? Yeah, there’s a book out there for tendencies, I think like a rich group and one of the tendencies is a questioner. I do believe that is a very common trait within our community.

 

We’re definitely not the upholder types who like, when you’re driving home at 2:00 AM in the morning, I don’t know why you can drive home at 2:00 AM in the morning, you stop at every stop. We don’t do that. We looked around, we questioned, why is the stop side here? We disregard that stop sign, right?

 

That’s just the ad. Or like, why do we have to put up money? It’s this 401k TSP is a social security thing, and that’s where it happens. Like the question starts to ask another question and it starts to unwind  this whole dog, financial planning, et cetera. And many of us have peaked by the other curtain of the wizard of Oz of finance and realize that there’s this red pill way of doing your money, investing in alternative assets where, you’re getting off the beaten path, but then you mentioned skill sets.

 

So to get off the beaten path where you’re investing in all these wall street types of products, mutual funds, where it’s consistent. What’s consistently getting screwed right? By all the hidden fees, et cetera, where a lot of times these big firms are taking almost half of your money every year. And how else are they paying for these high pay salaries and big buildings, right?

 

They’re not doing it for free because they like you, they’re digging it for profit. And that’s why they created the 401k and et cetera. They’ve got in cahoots with the government to get at the common man’s. But I digress. They’re pretty passionate about this stuff. Like that’s where, like the average guy can come back and get off the beaten path, get all that cafeteria garbage.

 

But to do that, you’re going to need people around you, cause there are shysters, and you won’t get off the beaten path. There are people that don’t do what we do. And they just are just internet shysters as they fake it till they make it. They don’t have any assets under management ditches, they are just a guy with a green screen.

 

That’s real estate. Brown, blue pants. Nice headshot. That’s all it is. And that’s why I say like and for myself included, right? To get off the beaten path and go onto the world of alternative investments, you need to find a tribe around you that also does this. However, it’s incredibly hard to find these types of people, because when I first started I was investing out of state, never saw my properties.

 

I thought it was crazy. My friends thought it was crazy. So you said, I don’t really talk about it. That was until I found there were lots of people doing the stuff quietly. It’s X-Men like, Hey, you’re X-men it’s the same thing. So you, when you finally meet these people, it’s whoa, I’m not crazy anymore.

 

And then things really get moving. Like I said, I started buying little rental properties. Oh nine to 2015 and I moved like a turtle. That’s part of wealth building too. Like it’s just slow in the big. But until I met other people doing this building synergies and found out where to invest more protocol to stay away from that was when my networks started to skyrocket.

 

Absolutely. Some of the skillsets you talked about were obviously challenging the norm, but one of the things I’ve noticed from a lot of successful entrepreneurs is almost an arrogant level of confidence. Because you’re going in new directions that other people haven’t gone before, and you’re challenging the norm and you’re forging your own way.

 

And you’re making mistakes and you’re learning things, but they’re all decisions that are based on your back. Have you encountered some mistakes that you’ve made along the way and would you mind sharing any of them with us and how’d you get through them and what’d you learn from them?

 

Yeah, I’m glad you asked that. I am cocky in this respect because we don’t really make that many mistakes. Cause we’re not really doing a hire in the Skype business plan out there. We’re buying properties that have cash flow, they want just in case there’s some hiccup in the Cod. And like we’ve been through bad times, like the pandemic.

 

I didn’t know what was going to happen. I didn’t know if people were going to pay the rent, but you know what the hell it is like, especially when we focus on lower class, lower middle-class America, right? Rents between $700 to $1,400, we don’t go to the high end luxury stuff. We don’t go into the low end stuff.

 

We stay in middle-class America, where the glut of the population is. Or in fact, there’s a huge demand for good quality of housing, which. Great. We’re not no slumlords either. And people need a place to live. And when you underwrite the deals to be Bulletproof, and a lot of times in our properties, we don’t lose money unless the property goes under 50, 60% occupancy, that’s not going to happen.

 

When you buy in good areas and good properties, especially in emerging markets, that’s just not going to happen. That happens. Like we’re talking like a zombie apocalypse, maybe, but we’ve been through that. We’ve read that the storm, we like, we’re not flipping houses, we’re not wholesaling houses.

 

This is not an exciting type of way of investing. It’s very boring, very boring. When we rehab units, we don’t put in maybe like $5,000 of rehab to bump up the rent a couple hundred bucks. New floor, new appliances, new paint job, that’s it. From the grand scheme of things, that’s why I can be pretty safe, pretty confidently.

 

Like we haven’t made too many mistakes cause we don’t really get up in front of her skis too much. But when I’ve invested, yeah, I’ve invested with some bad people in the past. Got my money too. A couple of times, and that contributes to that, that’s why you build your network again.

 

You never know about people until you have somebody on the inside that can attest. Yeah. I invested with Bob’s legit. He gave me my money back. Not like just a Ponzi scheme type of thing, but yeah, here are the P and L’s, here are the monthly reports on this property. You can actually go there and see it, touch it.

 

And you build relationships with other accredited investors, just like yourself and that way it’s unbiased sources. You do it that way. And going back to your skill sets this is the difference between more of this type of investing, as opposed to when you’re starting out. You’re starting out. You’re doing all this like pain in the blood stuff, like talking to brokers. Lender top managers, handyman, you’re doing everything, which, eh, I think it’s somewhat transferable, but like in this world, it’s more like you’re losing other peer colleagues, passive investors.

 

It’s very different for some people who are not friendly with others, like it’s impossible. But, I think most people, and especially in my group, or, once you become an accredited investor, you are on the road to financial freedom, or you are financially free. People are pretty friendly, especially for people also, when they recognize they are also on that same journey that they were wanting.

 

People like to give back and help out. After all there’s no competition, like big passive investors. There’s not Ooh, you’re going to take the deal. No, man. There’s a lot of deals out there, especially when you invest in syndication. So it’s not like there’s a super limited supply. People like to help out each other.

 

Because they know they are also gonna get back information and relationships. For me, it’s more about relationships these days, because if I don’t have people to hang out with during my lunch hour, all my other ex colleagues and friends are stuck at work, oh, you’re going to enjoy this stuff. People understand us right too. Like we do all these weird financial stuff. A lot of it was just social too. 

 

You bring up a good point. I think a lot of people have. This idea that successful people have compromised values or they’re hard-nosed taken advantage of people and that sort of thing. And most of the people that I know that are successful are actually fairly generous people who, when you have your time freed up, you can give back to others and you have a weight lifted off your shoulders when you don’t have the burden of financial stress. Like we can dig into that little bit.

 

Cause you know, these days, like when I interact with people, what I’m trying to do is do I want to have this person in my social circle long-term or at least give them a tryout for the second tryout? What I’m trying to determine is this a giver or a taker? I think there’s a book that I read.

 

It’s not to say that you’re a bad person, right? If you’re a taker person, a lot of people, especially even high net worth people, can be at a stage in life where they’re looking out for themselves and looking for search information to help their investing. They want to know who to stay away from.

 

They want to know who invests with those types of things. And I get it, you need to put your money somewhere so you can get financially free, but at some point, Turn the corner. And, I think everybody needs to go out and make their money and invest it and get financially free.

 

And I call that, putting your own oxygen mask on right in the plane. They say, before you help your kid or the elderly, put your oxygen mask first, if, so we don’t, you don’t pass out, become part of the problem. And that’s where you go from the abundance mindset, the scarcity mindset.

 

Or a scarcity mindset, that abundance mindset. And if you’re in a scarcity mindset, now it’s not to say you’re a bad person, right? That’s just maybe the stage you are not in life or age that has nothing to do with it. To me, it’s more where you are in terms of net worth or your buddy, your money mindset of, like to me, I got over. I went from that stage where I had my oxygen mask on pretty early, like I got lucky and I started investing in my early twenties. I started to get to a point where I had a bunch of cash flow rolling in and my net worth was not high yet by any means. Maybe half a million dollars, I think this started to happen.

 

But, I started to realize, yeah, I’m not going to be working at this stupid day job is engineering job. I don’t like it. Mid forties, maybe even by 40. I didn’t know at that time, I didn’t know, but I knew like the paradigm of working 20 years plus was just not going to, it’s just not needed for me.

 

And it’s numbers, I had numbers to back this up. So I went off on this kind of tangent and I think this is the part that like, everybody needs to go through this. Like epiphany where, and it takes a while. Like it took me. That’s up to my own horn, but like I took me pretty it was pretty quick for me to get to this transition where, I’m like, all right, both at work.

 

And my boss gives me a hard time. F-you man, I’m going to be outta here soon. I don’t need to be here. I can enjoy myself a little bit, take things a little lightly. And then I start to realize, all right. And when I’m like 35 at the time, I’ll be financially free and I do whatever I want.

 

And then I may be able to like role play on my head, what that feels like, I’m the travel take pictures of my food, put it on Instagram, all the stupid stuff. They, I get it. I wanted to do it at one time and many people want me to do it today. It’s a phase. But after a while, in my little simulation way ahead, it gets lame and boring. I don’t know. People who are drivers need challenges, solve puzzles. Part of me too calls me like a big ego guy, but I want impact too. I like, I wanna leave something or see something when I’m 50 or 60 and say, yeah, I did that.

 

That was, yeah. So for me, yeah. So for me, that was where the podcast was. Started to come in. I started in 2016, like a lot of my friends were asking me like how are you buying this property in Birmingham. You didn’t visit it, man. And I tell them, and many people are entrepreneurs here.

 

We tell our friends about entrepreneurship and nobody listens. So you guys understand that. And it frustrated me. So it was like, damn it. I’m just going to record this stupid thing, for all you suckers all my friends. Other people started listening to it and then a year later I got those emails saying Hey man like you didn’t seem that smart.

 

I did it. And yeah, thanks man. I bought a rental property and then, and that was where I got more, I was like, I got positive feedback. I was like, oh shit, man, I’m making a difference here. And then I became an accredited investor. Private placement since indication is the storyline changed for buying little rentals to bigger deals, but the audience kind of grew and grew.

 

And then, I was making this big impact or so I thought, that’s all, it really matters what you think. But then I saw it as my calling and, you’re put on this earth for one thing, like it’d be silly for me to go to habitat for humanity builds analysis, that this is where I get the most leverage and society. Yeah, you can make the biggest difference. So I think, and that kind of coincided with that whole simulation, my hand, I was like, what the hell am I going to do when I’m 40? It’s just all, your life doesn’t start until you’ve stopped trading time for dollars.

 

Or sometimes I have to go in, like I work from home too. You’re saying I see my family. Too much. Like I gotta get out of here. Sometimes I go in and like a little excursion, I gotta go pick something up, and I see all that, driving through town and I see all the people walk into the bus and I was there at one time.

 

It’s just a little drone going through your life, in the matrix, sleeping. You’re not doing anything. And yeah, you’ve had little moments here, there, but essentially you’re there to trade time for money to build somebody else’s dream. And I get, I’m not going to belittle people for thinking that’s a meager existence, blah, blah, blah.

 

I get it. Like me, not many people out there in the world get to a point in their life where they go financially free, FI. Weightless. When weightlessness is like your investments make more money than you do, and your spouse does any, even if you got your kid working alongside you too, and you can’t even spend it all. And that, that the thing just compounds and compounds, that’s what weightlessness is. So we call it escape velocity that typically takes most of the clients five to 10 years to get there. Once they start working with us. But at that point they’re going, and  they’re building that family legacy.

 

And the hardest part is, teaching the kids how to not be nincompoops, but that’s another topic for another day. Like at this point it’s all about you’re out of this paradigm that most people are when they have to trick themselves into liking their passion, which is their work, like I see through that these days. And not again, not that the little people who think that way, but there’s a lot of people out there that are getting to this weightlessness mode and they need to go through the simulation and live it. Maybe some people might take them a decade of kind of just floating there, but then there’s always something else.

 

And that’s where your life kind of starts. You stop trading your time for money. Okay. And I think a lot of people actually realize this, I think during the pan. Because the pandemic through everyone, through this wrench in everyone’s plans, and all of a sudden these people are working from home or they’re at home and they’re getting compensated and they’re realizing suddenly they’re pulled out of that matrix.

 

That thing that they were stuck doing, and they’re going, oh my God, what have I been doing the last 20 years or whatever? Yeah, I’ve been just doing this thing. I’ve always been trained to do it. My parents were always trained to do what their parents were trained to do, and it’s nonsense and people are giving up things in their life because they would rather not, have the Starbucks or have a nice car or go do these other things, vacations and stuff.

 

Then spend another day stock working and living a life that they. That they don’t want to live, and that’s why a lot of these jobs are having trouble recruiting people because they don’t want to go back to it. Yeah. They’re like, screw you at the job market the way it is. It’s lighter for the worker.

 

But the other sad part of that is most people just freaking stayed up until 2:00 AM watching YouTube videos. Because they don’t have to commute earlier in the morning. Like it’s your time. You can use it however you want, but they’re very similar. A lot of people in my world go to college, right?

 

It’s like maybe going to college for the first time away from your family, parents rules. It’s like the world is your oyster, for many people that is the last time you get that moment. And you get just your college syllabus sitting and you’re screwed, you have all these responsibilities that you go right into a job, but that is what it feels like to go financially free when you actually quit your job.

 

And you’re what the heck do I, do we have a guy he’s quitting, he’s working for me. Full-time, he’s quitting his engineering job and he’s asking me like next week, what do you want me to do on a holiday on this? I’m like, I’ll do it. I don’t even know what holidays are right.

 

All the time, but it’s just, okay, it’s coming in on Tuesday. I might do it, I dunno, man. You fill up your time, I followed this thing called entrepreneur operating system dos. And there’s this term called rocks. You work on projects or rocks.

 

And I’m like, I don’t know, uncle pick a rock and work on it, and I don’t know when you’re off time, go work on your own personal rocks. That’s, that was my guidance. I get it right. Like I was there not too long ago where you have to report. The only time sometimes you can get away is when you have a doctor’s appointment, you get out and go through a little bit of personal stuff on the side there too.

 

But other than that, you go right back into the matrix, back to your spot here.  And I get it. For me leaving the corporate structure and safety. It’s almost like driving without your seatbelt on. It doesn’t feel right. And I remember telling employees and I was telling my wife, like what I’m doing today.

 

Oh, I was doing this and I did this. And I’m like trying to prove that I was doing stuff during the day and nobody cared what I was doing. And then over time you start realizing that. I have to clock in. I don’t have to approve what I’m doing on a day. It, none of that stuff matters, right?

 

Yeah. It’s very liberating and it kinda makes you like, damn. And I operated like that for so long. It’s like a different topic, but it’s people who stopped caring, what other people think about themselves because they had that epiphany that people are more concerned about their own than worry about yours. Nobody cares after a while. So it’s a very liberating, very similar epiphany. Absolutely. But so like my big aha moment I went to a Tony Robbins thing and he’s always on he’s kinda like he has this thing, like the six needs, I think like com operates very similar to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

 

I don’t know the bottom. You’ve got basic stuff. I can’t remember. You just need the basic yeah. Like you want to have comfort stability. You want to be loved by other people, but on the top, part of the more aspirational things that you get. That self accusation, stuff like that. Yeah.

 

Yeah. And, giving back and contributing is a big one. And you look at all the very high network people who were doing other philanthropy things, it’s always a give back, but in their own certain way. And the other thing is significance to that. Want to have, give it back in your own way on your terms.

 

So that was where, to me, I was like, I think I was in my early thirties and I was kinda like, all right, I still have a Ferrari. I still do. Things like that. And the big house, I haven’t gotten totally off the deep end. I still have those types of needs.

 

And I have my own idea of what is the right lifestyle, but I kinda know that it’s going to get old. And I kinda latched onto this idea because like simple passive cashflow  had already gotten pretty good momentum at that point. I get, if it was just a pie in the sky idea, like how everybody, all the other 3000 participants in that state.

 

Had just an idea. Everybody’s got an idea, but I had an idea that actually had traction and was somewhat, making money. Like we had this concept of ikigai  right? Where you’re something you enjoy doing. You’re good at it. Kind of God given talent and the deck, there’s a need in society.

 

There’s obviously a need. There’s so many hard working professionals out there. Just misled by all this like crap out there. Financial planners, all this. And then, I couldn’t monetize it, that thing too, right? Like it’s incredibly valuable to collect all these types of people into one place, high net worth accredited investors into one place.

 

And to do these kinds of bigger projects. To me, it was like ikigai on steroids, that was where you always want to find that direction, head into direction. And that’s, I guess what life is maybe, sure. Every, if you’re not heading into the direction, there’s really no point to this whole thing.

 

Fantastic. Thank you for your time today. Tell us about how people get a hold of you. Yeah, they can check out the podcast. Simple, passive cashflow.com is the URL and then simple passive cashflow, passive real estate investing on iTunes, Google play, et cetera. Thank you for your time, Lane. 

Raj Interviews Lane | Real Estate Investing for Working Professionals

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What’s up  simple passive cashflow listeners. Today you’re going to be hearing an interview that I actually thought was pretty good. I go on a lot of these interviews and there’s a lot of lame podcasts and a lot of, even lamer  podcasts hosts  that just don’t ask very good questions and put me to sleep.

 

Because they keep saying the same thing over and over again, but this particular one was pretty good. And I think it would be a good one to share with friends. Again, if you guys are in the investor club, go to simple passive cashflow.com/clubs, sign up there for free. If you guys want to get one of the free eCourses what we do to incentivize you guys to share with friends is if you email team@simplepassivecashflow.com and CC your friend with the intro and possibly give them this podcast I think it’s a great introduction to what we’re all about here at simple passive cashflow.

 

And it is going to talk about a lot of the mistakes that we see regular people making with their money. So check out, make sure you’re not doing any of these types of things or making steps in the right directions. That’s all we ask. Yeah. Thanks to you guys who have referred your guys’ friends and today, like I’d say half of the people that we have coming into the group are referrals from their friends. And it’s funny, like a lot of you guys listen to the podcasts a lot, you guys are the ones reading everything, listening, everything, your referrals.

 

Trust you guys there for some strange reason, you’re probably the one person in your friend group that all your other friends know as the person who likes to read up on all this stuff. And it’s the financial guru guy out of your group. But often it’s not what you know, but it’s who you know, I’ve talked to a lot of very astute, high level investors that are completely honest with me when they book their free strategy call.

 

And they’re like, you know what? I don’t really know about this investment or all the technicalities. I just trust my friend who does, and that’s the way I roll, which kind of seems a little irresponsible at first, when you start to think about it, you’re just falling full back into the end zone, but you don’t, these guys get into the end.

 

And I think that’s what’s hard, like at least speaking from my own personal experience, like growing up in a family where parents weren’t accredited, I didn’t have any accredited friends or anything like that. Or my circle just didn’t have any of these types of people. I had to definitely pay to play to get into the circle of accredited, purely passive investors, which is the group that we’ve created today.

 

And, if you’re in the investor  club, you guys do get a spot chance to interact with our accredited investor database from time to time when I travel. We are planning another tour in Huntsville later this summer. Hopefully you guys can come out to that, visit some properties, break some bread, hang out a little.

 

And maybe you might do something in California. But at the end of the year, we’ll probably be doing that retreat that we always do. Haven’t got the page set up yet, but you guys can check out last year, site years before it’s simplepassivecashflow.com/hui4 Hui the number four. But yeah, here’s the interview and enjoy the show.

 

 

 

 

 

I know that You have talked about the counterintuitive ways that the wealthy have created their wealth and make money. I’d love to hear your thoughts. Yeah.  followed this whole linear path of going to school, becoming an engineer, and getting a job. Part of that path is the best thing in that thing, 401k.  I’ve been investing since 2009 and very quickly I realize what a sham that is. And I might be upsetting as a person, but maybe you should get upset or you shouldn’t get upset. She’d ask  what’s the reason why? Because I’m standing here, I’m not working my engineering job anymore.

 

Because I got smart. And I realized that if I just invested in real estate, I’d make money four ways: mortgage paid down, appreciation, tax benefits and a cash flow. And when I put my math to it I was making like 20, 30% of my money every year on that stuff. If you don’t believe me, you can go to my video where I do a whiteboard exercise and break down the math for you, a simple passive cash.com/returns.

 

But  I was like why the heck would, I want to make eight to 10% only? Not in that 401k stuff. It makes no sense to me, and I discovered this whole sham where they won’t exactly want us to do that stuff. They want us to invest in this stuff because if everybody just followed what I did and bought a handful of rentals, they would be financially independent, who would build our bridges, who would get her coffee, who would do surgeries for us.

 

Maybe some people would, but. Vast majority with peace out, it would be out of that stuff. And that’s just one of the things, the counterintuitive things that the wealthy do, including, I’m not a big fan of buying a house to live in. And the whole argument for retirement accounts too.

 

I’m sure you get this a lot, but you sound a lot like Robert Kiyosaki. He also talks about it, following the path, go to college, get a safe, secure job with benefits as in do not do it. And he also talks about the stock market and 401k. Could you hone in a little bit more into why you do not like 401ks?

 

When I invest, I pull my money out of my 401k’s Roth, stuff like that, because I wanted to invest cash for four main reasons. First reason is,  I think you and I, Raj, we’re going to be making more money in the future. Therefore we’re going to be in a higher tax bracket in future.

 

So I would rather pay my taxes today and Hey man, get it out while I’m in the lower tax bracket state. Secondly, I want,  just look at where this country is going with all these government entitlement programs, and how else we’re going to pay for it. Majority of it is going to be inflation. That’s another topic.

 

And by the way, that’s real estate as the answer for that.  You gotta raise taxes, so taxes are going to be going up. Therefore again, here, pay your taxes today, get it out of that stuff where the government essentially has a full lean on you, whatever God in your retirement accounts.  Thirdly, I’m not gonna retire when I’m 65, 70, or whenever they say I can get that money.

 

I’m retired now, so I’d like to get it. I don’t need to use it, but I want access to it. I don’t want it to be locked up.  Don’t put me in a category with other people out there that are unable to save money. I don’t need to be on that cruise ship. And then lastly, here’s the big kicker, right?

 

People will argue you got your money in this retirement account. Supposedly it’s gross tax free, which it does.  But if you’re investing cash outside your retirement account in real estate, the dang thing should be tax-free anyway. And the big kicker is if you’re investing in deals that do cost segregation, give bonus appreciation, you should be getting a heck of a lot more losses to offset the gains and even at that investment.

 

This is where we get into even more wealth building strategies of the wealthy. Like I personally don’t pay taxes and that sounds a jerk move. But I invest a heck of a lot of money into this society. And that’s what the government wants. The tax code is written to incentivize folks like me and you guys to invest your money, do things, tactics such as cost segregation to get a lot of passive activity losses, and pay little to no taxes.

 

And you don’t get that levers and let you invest cash and you get those passive activity losses.  100% I totally agree with you. And I also would like to say that if you can say one, your taxes, you should save on the taxes legally. That is absolutely true. And if you want to give back to society, then go to charity.

 

But don’t try to say that people should pay more taxes, at least that’s my opinion. Yeah. The way I look at it is like the government is like, there’s these incentives for you to do what they want you to do.  They want me to invest in workforce housing and buy assets that create this economic multiplier.

 

So I do that. I’m not a dummy. I may not read the whole IRS thing, but I have professionals that do it for me and guide me and I work with them to guide me to what actions I need to take place. I don’t worry about politics. I just worry about what I should do as best as I can.

 

And I guess what I’m trying to say here is  if you invest, you don’t do any of this stuff that the government wants to do. Yeah, man, you gotta pay taxes. All of us, the pitch in the repair of the potholes in the street, pay  city state workers, right?

 

That’s what you gotta do, right? If you’re just another joke, the low average guy out there investing in non tax advantage stuff that the government doesn’t is lukewarm on. Then yeah, bro, you got to pay taxes. You’re a straight shooter Lane. I like your authentic self. That’s very good.  I keep it fun. Because sometimes this stuff can get really dry and boring, especially the tax stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don’t know if you’ve heard this, but at some place somebody was saying somebody, I really respect that the bulk of the tax code is dedicated to how to save on the taxes, the deductions and the credits.

 

And it’s only the first 50 or 60 pages that talk about how to pay taxes. So the tax code is big and complicated, but most of it is dedicated to saving taxes. Yeah. It is what it is. Some people also say that it’s like  the politicians slipping in there what they want, cause they’re all wealthy.

 

They know what’s up. I don’t care. I don’t care about all this like stories or urban legends? I don’t care. I understand what the system is, understand the game and I play the game and I think that’s what everybody needs to do out there because taxes are your number one expense of life.

 

You cannot leave it up to your CPA. Your CPA is not equipped to know your situation, what you’re investing in, what kind of deals, risk , work profiles, when you’re getting your passive losses, when you’re exiting set deals and hopefully you’re in a multitude of different deals, that is nothing that a CPA should be doing for you.

 

That it’s your responsibility folks out there. You need to empower yourself to have an educated conversation with your tax profession. Lane, I love winning, but you say that, you don’t complain and these other rules and you play the rules. So when you’re playing a game of cards, you play the hand that you’re dealt, that’s it?

 

That’s how you win, right? All right. Good. That we have to establish some of the rules that the rich follow to create wealth and make money. Could you also talk about, there are working professionals, they may know the rules, but they don’t have the time or the expertise, even though they know what’s the better way to invest.

 

So could you talk to us a little bit about passive investing for working professionals? I was working as an engineer way back when in 2007, I bought my first run in 2009.  At the time my net worth was under half a million bucks. So to me, the name of the game is just buying rental properties.

 

I don’t think that you have enough net worth to be able to go into syndications of private placements, even though there are many indications out there. If you go to the EDGAR sec website for non-accredited investors, you just need to be at the private network of syndicators sponsor.  But I think it’s important for investors, especially lower on a net worth scale to invest in rental properties and understand the business, understand how this is done so that when you finally do look at a pitch deck, you’re not totally oblivious to the marketing sham scent that, just every deal looks good, when it’s on a shiny PDF.  For a lot of accredited investors guys that make six figures and above you’re, right? Like the time it takes to buy a rental prop, even a turnkey rental, where they fix up the property for you by putting a tenant in there for you.  For what, like easily, a few hundred bucks a cashflow a month.

 

In 2015, I had 11 rental properties. I went down that turnkey rabbit hole for quite some time. And with 11 rentals, it was cool. I had $300 a cash flow per property. So $3,000 a month. No, I’m not complaining. I was in my twenties at the time.  That was pretty decent, pretty good.

 

Not to be ungrateful or anything like that, but I don’t know what American family can survive. All three grand. You’re going to need three times that. So with 11 properties, I had an eviction or two every year, some kind of big thing attached to me that happened in a different quarter, like a plumbing repair or a tree falling on the house, pedal trees or something like that.

 

If you need 30 houses, then now you’re talking about an eviction every other month and some kind of big tree every other week, it just becomes unscalable even with professional property management to do your dirty work for you. So that’s where I found syndication’s private placement shortly after 2015, when I hit that inflection required and became more of an accredited investor.

 

Okay. And you are a syndicator yourself now. So could you talk to me about your journey from that point to becoming a syndicator? Yeah, so I was in my late twenties and I wasn’t quite yet an accredited  investor. I think I wasn’t quite there, but I was on the path for sure. And I was certainly on the path to retire from my day job as an engineer before I was 40 by being a passive LP partner.

 

So that’s why I eventually did initially. I was why do I want to take on all the stress and do all these spinning plates? And there’s a lot of investors that don’t realize there’s a huge gap between LPs and the general partners. It’s not just one level. It’s like your guys’ job.

 

There’s usually two rungs or two salary codes between you and your boss. You gotta go somewhere else and come back. If you want to reincarnate as a boss, same thing as general partners.  So that’s it, I went as LP. Because I knew how to analyze deals. I had gone through a coaching where they taught us how to do that.

 

I felt like I was a really good passive investor, much more than  I was able to take profit loss statements, rent rolls, run my own comps and it put into my analyzer and just spot check that sponsor and operator are they being conservative with the deal or really getting what the pro formas that it was.

 

And I was able to run as an independent  and I went on the LP path because I was like if I could just, maybe I don’t double my money every five years or something like that. If I just grow my money at a conservative 12 to 14% IRR. Yeah. I’ll be able to quit my day job. Won’t perform 40.

 

And that was the goal initially. It’s just to put my oxygen mask on it. I don’t have to go to that job that I don’t like.  Because a lot of people want to just copy me and just follow me into deals. That’s how I found myself in a general partner facet.

 

And then I realized that operating deals, if people are around you and will help you and train you, isn’t that difficult? It’s not difficult, but it’s something that like any guru program will teach you. So eventually I transitioned into more of a general partner role. Today, I currently operate 4,500 rental properties.

 

 So it’s been, maybe it’s taking five years to get there. What I’m thinking is that something that striked me when you were telling me your story that you started with, with a net worth of about half a million dollars. Now you’re at about four and a half thousand units across 12 states, what role did your mindset play in this journey and your success?

 

And could you talk to us about that transformation from beginning to end? It’s gone through a couple of inflection points when I had just a handful of rental properties in my earlier twenties, this is just in the beginning stages. I was working at a private company and those people will know that private companies are a little bit more stressful, you get paid more, but I started to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

And I was like, Yeah, man. I may only be making a thousand dollars, $2,000 a month from these turnkey rentals. But my time here is ending,  and then I soon was making more than my boss’ boss, and I developed a bad attitude at work. Gotta be honest. It’s not like I was walking around oh, maybe it was, maybe it did come across as that, but I eventually started to change jobs to more work for the government.

 

 A little bit more cruise jobs, the bit more free time, to do the real estate investing passively on the side.  But I started to adopt the more mindset of where I didn’t need to go to work, but I enjoyed the people who kind of didn’t mind going to do the job. Even though it didn’t take that long every day of actively doing it.

 

So I became a passive investor and passive W2 worker at that point.  And I think most investors find themselves at that point.  At least people I work with, or at least maybe that’s just the beginning stage where you start to realize that life becomes light, right? You realize you’re on the fast path to financial freedom.

 

It’s not going to take 40, 50 years. You’re on the 10 year path plan. You just keep working this, you may not like your job, but at least it’s not like super stressing you out. It’s not everything to you because you have this proven system of buying rental properties and you’re pulling yourself out of there.

 

 Things changed in 2016 when I started a podcast because originally it started How do you buy turnkey rentals? Because all my buddies were asking me. How do you borrow these properties? And like Birmingham and Atlanta never even visited the damn thing. How do you do that? And they waste my time.

 

They’d ask me all these questions and they never do anything. And I would get frustrated. Like  you guys are wasting my time. I was going to record  this thing. And then you guys can listen to it if you’re interested in taking action or not. So I did that. The thing got really popular and a lot of people were really like, like I bought a year later in 2017, the podcast got a lot of traction and they’re like, yeah, I actually went and bought a rental property.

 

Thank you very much. And I got a lot of these like emails and I was like, oh, this makes me feel good. And so, I think a lot of people, they moved from this scarcity to abundance mentality. And it’s not that you’re a bad person, if you don’t have it, but you need money to be abundant. In my opinion, I don’t think unless you’re like a Yogi that goes on in the mountain, it’s truly a funded mindset.

 

I don’t think nationally you have it. I think it’s good to have a little scarcity mindset in the beginning. This is like the immigrant mentality that a lot of people have, right. They come to America, the immigrant mentality allows them to be frugal. They don’t buy stupid stuff. They’re frugal with their time, how they work for, and it builds, gets them off the ground.

 

But after a while, maybe even your net worth  gets to be half a million dollars more. You start to develop that mindset, that operating system doesn’t help you.  It’s like DOS going to Windows or something like that. So around when I had the 11 rentals. I saw the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

I had a few thousand dollars of cash a month. I started to realize that at the time I was like, in my mid to late twenties, I started to realize in my thirties I’d be able to quit my day job. But then I screwed up. I was like, I’m just gonna be like the internet. Like guys who just take pictures on my Instagram, food travel, travel bloggers, guys who aren’t really quite financially free, but they appear to be right. You want to live their lifestyle. And then I did that maybe for a few weeks. And then I realized this is really lame. Like the guys, like the financial bloggers that are all into their index funds,  they work their Silicon valley job.

 

Then they go to Thailand and they live off their $1.25 million and they live super frugally on their index funds and that’s cool. If that’s you guys, I think that’s cool. Maybe you’ll hit an inflection point in your life, but you get to a point where you’re like, this is lame, is this all that life is for, and most people, if you talk to the successful, maybe not the wealthier on wealthy, but just as successful, the truly happy people. They’ve found ways to give back to other people and make them send the elevator back down or whatever saying you want to use, but find and find other people to help out along their journey and that’s what I clicked to . Then, we’re here.

 

That’s fantastic. What I’m hearing is like a couple of different stages of financial freedom. So number one, many people keep talking about the financial media and keep talking about how most of the people have not enough money in their 401k accounts, and they will never be able to retire and they’ll work till they die.

 

And you touched upon why you are not a big fan of 401k. The next stage is people who aren’t able to retire, but on time then you talked about people who have died off on index funds, like they have a million and a quarter, a million and a half, and they’re dead in Thailand and they’re living off the 4% safe withdrawal rate.

 

And then the next day that you’re talking about is no, that’s not enough for me. I want to go back. I’m going to create real wealth and I’m going to send the elevator down and bring people along for the ride. And I think when you get to that stage, like the next goal is they’re getting to four and a half million dollars net worth.

 

A lot of people in my circle talk about that number because I think if you can withdraw it at 3% rate, you can have two nincompoop trust fund kids that are just totally doing whatever. And it’s really hard for them to screw that number up.  But then here’s something that I’m kinda, I’m not talking truly from experience, but I’m getting insight because I try and surround myself with a mastermind of people that are getting it to this level.

 

Like people do one or two things here, and we’re already talking about like the top 0.01% that even make it the four and a half million dollars net worth, most people will get off of the bus there because it’s a pool of four and a half million dollars. That’s a great life. You can just peace out and do really whatever you want.

 

Fly  first class has a very peaceful life. There are some people that it’s a very, it’s a smaller minority of the minority that. They get really passionate about something, whether it’s dogs or helping out other people who went through trauma in their life, or for me, it’s I’m just really upset that there’s so many working professionals out there that just are duped by this like fun wall street, nonsense, 401ks buying a house to live in and these are hardworking people. These are like my engineering brothers that were stuck in the basement while everybody’s playing Frisbee in the quad

 

 There’s so many hard working people out there. Doctors have to go to school for 15 years and most of those guys will have to work for their entire life and never really get ahead. If they just bought a handful of rentals, they’d be able to be financially free.  And that’s my mission and my hope is if I help enough people.

 

Get to four and a half million dollars. They’ll reach this God level where it’s like, they’re like I want to find some other way, right? For them, it may not be helping them on the path to financial freedom such as you Raj. But they are like dogs or I don’t know. They want to like their cancer.

 

I don’t know what the heck they want to do, but maybe they realize that money is a platform or means to get there. So that sends them on this. Like now they have to keep the engines going. So at four and a half million dollars, you can think of a spaceship going into outer space. You’ve hit escape velocity .

 

You can turn off the engines in cruise control for the rest of your life, but they realized that they need to keep the engines on and go and achieve eight figures. I think that’s 10 million, right? And that money is necessary. The power of this bigger purpose, legacy, whatever you want to call it. But that’s all I have privy to now.

 

They always say you don’t know the next purchase until you’re there, but that’s what I see at this point. I’m curious to know why you and your buddies in your network talk about four and a half million, not five, not six, not three. Is there a reason why specifically this number?

 

 I don’t know. It’s not as daunting as five to six, but I don’t know. I think that the 3% withdrawal rate has something to do with it. If I just go like 3% of 4.5 million, that’s $135,000 a year,  that’s and if you have two kids, that’s like a working man salary tax-free,  at 3%, it’s pretty pathetic, right? That’s like the pace of inflation.  Yeah. I’m more of a four person. I think that you can easily withdraw 4% forever adjusted for inflation and never run out of your principal. I think I also come up with that number because I see a lot of  it’s kinda like a voyeur.

 

It’d be like, I see a lot of like financial profiles that come through when I’m approving these PPM, is it investor subscription docs? And  I know what they make. I know how their spending habits are and I know what their net worth is. And I’m just like I see this come through like hundreds of times and there’s nothing really, that surprises me.

 

The only surprises are either somebody was whittled this money or they, their trust fund kid, or they won the lottery. That’s the only time it surprises me, but most times I know where people are and there’s always that glass ceiling, four and a half million plus or minus do it yourself.

 

Okay. I’m very intrigued by your background. So tell us what pictures are you seeing here? Was this an event?  I kinda run a family office Ohana mastermind. We’re like a close group of financial fanatic  friends accredited investors.  I’m big on relationships and knowing everybody that’s just how I am.

 

That’s how it is here in Hawaii. Everybody knows each other.  I surround myself with like minded individuals along the same path as myself. A lot of people are working professionals, still working their day job. They make much more than six figures, net worth million dollars or more, but you wouldn’t know by appearance, right?

 

Because they are first generation. They weren’t born with their wealth. Their parents didn’t have a million dollars. And the first generation that’s going to surpass that million dollar threshold. So it’s very different from going to the country club a lot of times. It’s just people who are trust fund kids.

 

I went to private school. I know what this is all about. Most people are there because their parents have money. Oh, I don’t know what the statistics are. Something like 90% of wealth leaves a family in two or three generations for good reason, because people don’t know how to make money legitimately know how to go to work for a salary. They don’t know how to really truly make money. And certainly they don’t know how to make a legacy. Yeah. That’s a known fact, you know that.

 

So I’d like to go back to your comment about what is a good path to follow for working professionals. So you talked about 401k is not the best thing in the world. Then you talked about investing in rentals, then you talked about  investing as an LP. So what’s your recommendation, one other or combination of both.

 

Could you talk to us a little bit about that? Yeah. First off your guy’s net worth is under half a million. Don’t buy a house to live in and that’s a financial drag on you and to me, I don’t think you people deserve to buy a house until their net worth is over two times what their house is worth.

 

 Even if they’re buying it with debt, the people can listen to me or not. They’re going to do what they want, but that’s just one of my 2 cents. But so you take a guy who is under a quarter million, half a million dollars net worth making able to save over $5-10,000 a year to buy a rental property.

 

Go buy a few, learn the business, right? If you’re more of an accredited investor with a higher net worth, then look into syndications of private placements and surround yourself with a community of like-minded individuals. We’re also investing in this stuff. So you can get in the ethos. What do you say to people that invest in cryptocurrency?

 

This is the future of the world economy, and if you’re not investing there, you are being left out. Oh, boy, you’ll find all the can of worms there.  Okay. So I am bullish on crypto. I think it is a disruptor. It takes power away from countries and the libertarian in me likes that I think I like the technology thing.

 

I think it’s definitely an emerging asset class, but to me I don’t really want to take chances. I like real estate because it’s a hard asset, produces cash flow and I can leverage it pretty well with really government subsidized loans and the tax benefits are amazing. Those are three things that cryptocurrency is not.

 

So the prescription I have and, podcast land, you got a lot of generalities liberals, so here’s one of them guys, if your net worth is over a million dollars, I think you can open up and play a little bit more with cryptocurrency. Obviously, we’re not going to differentiate between the altcoins and more your bread and butter, your Bitcoin with Ethereum, or your stable coins. We’re not going to get into that detail, but I would,  a lot of people, above a million dollars net worth, they don’t typically go over five to 10% of their network.  If you’re lower net worth to me, the prudent ways to do it, like how I did buy a rental property, who was your portfolio?

 

Prudent cash flow and it just takes a while to get it going. But most people have this completely backwards. They go and gamble a cryptocurrency first, which to me, I don’t agree with, but I can see if you’re broke, you got to gamble a little bit too. So I see it both ways. But if I were to give my formal answer, like as your net worth goes up, you can take on more asymmetric risk types of deals such as crypto, right? Like I like investing in workforce style, housing that’s cash flowing day one with a little bit of value add it’s nothing crazy. There’s a great return. And more importantly, capital preservation there. And that’s what I base my portfolio off of. I can sleep at night.

 

I don’t have to worry about it. But now that I’m more of an accredited investor, I don’t need the cash till this is it a ride, so I’m more inclined  to go after more asymmetric  risk deals such as developments. I’m not a big fan of venture capital. I think that’s just a crap shoot.

 

Total crap shoot.  Even though maybe you could make more money, I’m just not into that. It’s just not the type of investor I am, but as your net worth goes up, you start to get a little bit more ballsy with your investments to use that technical term. And  this is a trust fund kids with second, third generation wealth do. They just don’t care. Because they don’t know the value of the money. So they just gamble it on these sexy like developments or these asymmetric risk plays and yeah, they’ll probably be, do fine. But what do you do when you’re first-generation wealthy and your net worth is under a million dollars, you cannot sustain a loss or you just have to build the slope food in a way with cash flow and minor value add. Probably not what people want to hear because it’s going to take time. It does. So what’s the recommendation? So you talked about that you followed the path, right? So go to a good college, get good grades, get a safe, secure, stable job. What is your prescription to a good life?  I’m not a big fan of college and all that stuff.

 

I hang my degrees upside down on the wall for a reason and they’re not displayed behind me. But, you know what? I will admit that my engineering job allowed me to get paid pretty well out of college. And that was what I parlayed and threw into my investments to get me the lift off the ground.  I do regret the time that I spent studying, but it was necessary to get that job and the salary.

 

And I guess what people need to realize is what is your highest and best use, right? If you’re already a doctor or dentist, sorry, buddy, you’re better off just doing the surgeries, keep working. Cause that’s your best ability, your highest and best use to make money, to parlay into passive investing it.

 

We all have to trade time for money until we have enough money invested. So our money works harder for us. The same money, never sleeps is entirely true. It’s just, most people don’t have their money working for them.  Money should be working hard for you. So if you don’t have money, sorry, man, you can’t invest.

 

This is real estate investing. You need money to invest. So most people are in the square one phase where they have to make money too, to invest it. And for a lot of people, those things are likely in that stage. But as you just slowly move from ordinary income to passive income, you need to realize if your spaceship is going fast enough so that you can hit escape velocity.

 

And what is your escape velocity? It’s different for everybody. I live a very frugal life here in Hawaii. I don’t buy any stupid things other than a kind of nice car. I don’t spend more than a thousand dollars in a car payment, but that’s like my one vice, I guess I don’t buy a house to live in. I rent because to me it makes total sense here and I can get a good deal on it.

 

So I don’t need to go very fast to hit my escape velocity, but everybody is different. So people should go to college, get good grades, get an active W2, and a job so that they have money to invest. If they’re smart, if they’re not very good academically, they should perhaps be an entrepreneur  and try that route.

 

I don’t have kids where I can advise them accordingly. But if I had a dumb kid, I’ll probably, Hey man, like I don’t, that’s a psychology degree, probably psch major, or this art, Asian history studies. Maybe we should save $50,000 a year. And perhaps you should just try this, be a landlord and try.

 

And I’m not saying they should flip houses or anything like that. But this is what we help. A lot of our folks do in our mastermind group is like, how do we groom that next generation, to be a good steward of their wealth, but we have to get them to build skill sets and also show the ability to trade time for money, to be a contributor to society before they step into full-time investor so they appreciate the cash flow.

 

Yeah. I was reading a book by Chris Hogan and he talks about how he has spoken to 10,000 millionaires across the country. And one thing that he sees across the spectrum is that most, not all, but most of the millionaires didn’t go to top colleges. And the way it is useful is that you don’t want to come out of college, paying down debt in the initial years of your life, because that’s when you should be investing in your wealth.

 

And the longer your wealth compounds, the bigger the snowball effect you have, right. He’s entirely right. But I think that statement is a little skewed. I think it’s no secret that if you asked most working professionals, those people will not really become millionaires unless they are extremely frugal, right?

 

If they keep investing in the wall street garbage and doing everything that. Financial dogma says they’re going to do, it’s gonna be really hard. They’ll probably get over a million dollars. Million dollars is not that much money, but they certainly won’t get the four and a half million dollars and achieve true financial independence.

 

But what Chris Hogan is saying is right, like the majority of those people have beat that threshold probably two and a half, $3 million in the future, or people who’ve gotten off the beaten path and stopped taking a salary. Now I am a proponent. I advocate for a lot of working professionals, like for  all those millionaires are probably 10 to 20 to a hundred of guys who are just complete deadbeats that are watching preneurs.

 

This is 2020, 20 21. If you’re an entrepreneur and your LinkedIn profile, dude, I know you can’t find a job. You probably don’t have a college degree. Yeah, he’s incredibly right. Most people who don’t have college degrees are going to be that higher stuff, but a hell of a lot more people are going to be just total wash outs.

 

So that’s why I like college because college has the ability to take average below average people and run them through the system. And they come out contributing  helpers to society,  they come out with a decent paying job and they will achieve a certain level of comfort in life with a set job. Just to be clear, he talked about the good colleges, but not the most expensive colleges.

 

That’s what he is saying. Okay. Yeah. I think,  college and high school are basic academia stuff like colleges, like the new high school, one could argue.  You gotta be, have some level of aptitude to run a business or even invest in real estate. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist, that’s for sure.

 

But  college is not much these days. Everybody has a degree. Let’s shift gears a little bit Lane. In this climate when everybody’s talking about how it’s a sellers market and the markets are becoming hot, tell me why do you like real estate in this climate?

 

 It’s a fixed commodity. I think inflation is definitely coming. I already see it on the price. I pay for a stick, a lumber, so the Fed is pumping all this fake money into the system. That’s why the equity markets are so high, despite, the economy isn’t really going full tilt yet.

 

There’s all this fake money going into the system. And I recently saw a graph of how much money was put in, talking like several trillions of dollars. I look back to 2008, right? The last time they did the same. It’s nothing compared to what it is now.

 

 Like I think that there was something weird going on  that they had to cover it up, but it doesn’t really matter. The whole point I hear is they throw in a whole bunch of fake money into the system and it is what it is. The government can create however much money they want. And it’s a great way to make our debts from other countries disappear.

 

And we can do this because we control the world, monetary policy, all those people are like, oh, it’s still going to end. I don’t think it’s going to end. It’s just going to keep going. So get used to it. But what’s going to happen is our money is going to be devalued. And so what do you want to do?

 

If there was a storm coming, what would you do? You’d be under the house, but if in this case there is inflation coming. Maybe not in the next few years, maybe not in the next five, 10 years, but it’s coming. What do you want, what do you want to do to hedge yourself against that? Will you want to buy commodities that will also go up when the tides go up too.

 

And there’s a menu of options, right?  Go crypto, real estate. I personally will choose the one that’s also going to get the cash flow that I can like also like value add, right?  Again, value add like crypto. I’m buying the same thing that a 14 year old kid is buying on his app,  gold doesn’t cashflow for me.

 

And I can’t leverage this stuff as effectively and prudently as real estate too. And that’s another one and the tax benefits. If my crypto goes up 50%, I have to pay half of that to the taxman. If gold goes up, same thing, but in real estate I’m able to play these levers and shelter those games. I don’t have to make as much gains.

 

So, if my real estate goes up 10% and like my friend’s crypto goes up 20% at the end of the day, I feel like I’m still ahead. Despite what’s in his bank account before he pays the tax, 100%. I agree. And one thing that you have mentioned, but I just wanted to make clear for our audiences that when the Fed is pumping trillions of dollars, that’s a lot of money folks.

 

You’d rather be a borrower because what happens is that if you buy a hundred thousand dollars worth of property with $20,000 down and $80,000 of loan, the value of those $80,000 diminishes with time as there’s more money circulating the system. So that helps you, not only that with inflation, the value of a property also increases in absolute terms.

 

We’re building a multifamily apartment right now and we’re getting killed by the price of lumber and it’s just eating into the contingency and it’ll be fine, but it’s kinda like one of those things where it’s when we build this damn thing, we actually in, take these stupid pieces of lumber and build a house with it, shelter, like it’ll be worth way more because the price of inflation is just going to keep going up and up.  It is what it is. And I think it’s also important to ask what you do not want to do? Or what you don’t want to do is just sit on cash, right? Dead equity.  Some people will say I have it in my house.

 

I’m like you can also own the same amount of house and you’d be leveraged, take a heloc, invest it, get a refinance, pull the equity out, also invested in more houses. So you’re even more hedge against inflation. And this is where it hurts. A lot of people have a lot of equity in their homes.

 

A lot of older people have a lot of equity in at home because that’s what they’re told to do. And that’s the people who are gonna just get jerked around by this inflation. And some people say it’s like the complete conspiracy there is to say oh, this is where the Illuminati, or like taking money from the poor.

 

And I was like, I don’t really quite agree with that. But I don’t believe in the boogeyman, but regardless that’s what’s happening, right? The poor are getting poor because the poor are unable to put money in things that will go up with what the impending doom has happened. And that’s a sad thing.

 

They buy things like iPhone trucks, depreciating assets. This is going to be one controversial episode, but I’m loving it. You’re very authentic Lane and I’m enjoying our conversation. Yeah. Until I get some of those trolls right. There is no such thing as bad publicity Lane.  Could you talk to us about, we talked about your journey, we talk about the mindset, but  if you were to distill your journey into your four bullet points, could you talk to us about what is the secret ingredient for success?

 

I think for me it was like finding the right tribe. I was investing from 2009 to 2015 all by my lonesome. And I was like,  I’m still an introvert. I thought I was super cocky and smart. And I thought like I was going to get super rich by getting 10 Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac loans, 10 turnkey rentals.

 

And then I thought that was like my path to financial freedom. Then, as I mentioned earlier that  that ain’t the way to do things, that’s not what accredited investors think.  But I think one thing is empathy, I feel like it is a big thing. Like knowing that you’re not almighty and you always have an open mind,  I’m confident I will get it wrong.

 

And I think that’s important for people to have, but. I’m always listening. I’m always open-minded. Sometimes I have to catch myself that’s wrong and then somebody said I tried this and I always had the catch myself. Cause I’m like, no, that’s wrong.

 

Shut off in my head. I’m like, I don’t actually say that. But I’ll think about it. And I’ll be like, okay, why are they saying that? Do they have any context? They have any experience, perhaps I should listen,  let me go back to the numbers and try to figure this out.

 

That makes sense. As opposed to incredibly like shutting them off.  I think that empathy is a big thing. I’m binge-watching a lot of this show called bar rescue. People watched it. It’s like where this guy goes into the bar and he likes to fix their problems, puts a new drink on the menu.

 

And  it’s always a people person. And you look at the owner, the problems always stemmed from like the owner never has good empathy. They can’t look at themselves and see that they haven’t perhaps an issue. And then of course they need to have the ability to change and take accountability.

 

I think that’s also the next part is taking accountability and not just blaming it on others.  So the ability to change and adapt, if you can change 1% every day after your shoot, you’re like 27 times better.  Lane, it was wonderful talking to you today, but before we go, could you tell us where people can find you?

 

 They can go to simple passive cashflow.com as my website got a lot of free goodies there for passive investors.  My podcast is simple, passive cash flow, passive investing, and my email address is lane@simplepassivecashflow.com. Thank you Lane.

 

There, you have it folks today. Lane talked about the path, the traditional path that people have talked about, how 401k is not his favorite investment vehicle investments, inflation retiring at 61, and how you can do better.

 

You talked about how you can use real estate for four benefits, accelerated depreciation being one of them. He also talked about empathy. Open-mindedness, ability to listen and confidence as one of the key drivers of his success. Lane, it was a pleasure and honor having you on our call.

 

Coaching Call – Remote Investor Incubator Student Round Up

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What’s up everybody? This is episode 300. We’re going to be doing a little giveaway if you guys stay to the end of this, but where we’ve been in the past, what we started this podcast in 2016, and back then I was still buying little single family homes. Obviously, you know, I came in as an accredited investor and kind of left that world behind.

 

I think, investing in large multi-family apartments or other syndications where you’re a passive investor is the way to go because you’re turning your ordinary income to passive income, you’re getting a lot of passive activity losses with cost segregations bonus depreciation.

 

Pushing forward the cans down the road, leaving a world behind of 1031 exchanges, which I think are obsolete unless of course you’re having a gate of more than a few million dollars of capital gain depreciation, recapture. If it’s all garbled gibberish to you, go to simple passive cashflow.com/tax.

 

My little tax notes there, some of my old tax returns, a lot of good stuff there. We started the HUI  pipeline club thus far and brought in over $140 million from folks like yourself, a billion dollars of assets under ownership. A lot of people getting started today are still under a hundred, $250 million.

 

We’re well over a billion dollars at this point, 7,800 units or so, and I just realized these large crowdfunding websites, which spend a lot of money or venture capital back so they can pay for customer acquisition.  And we’ve raised like half of the amount that these large groups have been.

 

Lowly old me from 300 podcasts to go. It goes to show if you start something and you chip away at it I can grow this something big, especially when the mission is to get you, the high paid working professional out of the day job. And it’s finally taken me 300 episodes to really get this formula down, but it’s a simple 1, 2, 3 step program.

 

First invest in deals where you’re going into value add. So you can get the passive activity losses. So then you can play these tax games that the wealthy do. And thirdly, infinite banking. And I always say, thirdly, because some of you guys have lower net worth out there. Geek out on infinite banking or even if you’re above one to $2 million net worth, a lot of you guys will geek out on that and spend too much time and we have the free infinite banking e-course if you guys want to check that out at simplepassivecashflow.com/banking.

 

You guys can get free access that takes a couple, two or three hours from are all about infinite banking. As opposed to just listing a bunch of podcasts and hearing it, the marketing pitch from the life insurance guy, learn about the pros and cons. That’s been my thought process from the beginning. There’s so much noise out there. IRA, self-directed IRAs, solo 401k, all these things, when you keep things simple and it’s geared towards the high paid working professional things are very simple.

 

Now, along the road, right? We teach you guys that, paying on your house, paying down your debt. The best part about this stuff may not be the right decision to buy your primary residence. To me, in my opinion, some people will call me crazy for this. I don’t think you should buy your primary residence until your net worth is two to three times that of the house.

 

Therefore, if you’re in your thirties or forties buying a $600,000 house, I don’t think you should be buying a house until your net worth is like a million half, $2 million net worth, which I know it ain’t, if you’re buying a $600,000 house, now, maybe I’m just getting old 36 today going on 37 and I feel part of this was to give back.

 

So on today’s podcast, you’re going to be hearing a coaching call for a program that I used to do that we don’t do anymore, which is called the incubator. The incubator was meant for lower net worth folks under quarter million, half a million dollars to buy their first single family of all remote turnkey rental.

 

That is how I got started, back in 2009, I bought a bunch of rentals in Seattle, and then I went out of state for cashflow. I bought 11 of those rental properties and realized there was a total pain in the butt to manage. And all your returns go away. It looks great on paper, but all the returns go away and the headaches magnify themselves, but tenants move out.

 

You got a big cap ex tidal wave. If you’re out there having a couple of rental properties or even eight plus rental properties, at some point that cap ex is going to get you and you’re going to have, an eviction here, there and, a small fraction of those evictions is going to end up into a five $20,000 repair billing, or you’re wondering why, like, why are we doing this again?

 

Don’t take those pro formas  for those turnkey guys, they’re just trying to sell this stuff guys. But anyway, how do you educate yourself? We did this incubator. We have the remote investor e-course and we have the incubator. So for the people listening to this you’re going to get a sample of this at the end, but if you want to email us at team@implepassivecashflow.com subject line 300, we’ll hook you up with it.

 

But you gotta be part of the investor club to do that. Go to simplepassivecasual.com/club and join our database right there. That’s how you get all the pool insiders. And part of the bonus for this episode 300, put that in the subject line. We’ll hook you up with that because we’re moving off of buying little rental properties and moving more to the accredited investor stuff, which our curriculum and ecourse

 

syndication course for passive LP partners, how do you do your best due diligence? Whereas the incubator and investor force is more like what’s in the black box, right? How do you go buy a remote rental source or property manager or get a lender or do all this pain in the bud stuff? Which I feel is the foundation.

 

So not to alienate the accredited investors who are like, yeah, screw that stuff. And I would probably agree. That’s no way to build less lasting legacy wealth when your net worth goes over a billion dollars or you’re making more than a hundred, hundred $50,000 a year. Buying little rental properties is a waste of time, but it’s a great place to start.

 

So for some of you accredited investors, I think it’s a great idea.  To go buy your kids a little rental property, let them mess it up, let them learn. That’s the way you learn. I think if we have some investors that will bring their kids into some syndication deals. I feel syndication deals make you dumb really fast.

 

It’s a great way to live a nice passive investor, simple passive cashflow lifestyle. But if you’re trying to pass off the wealth, which is really the focus of a lot of us, who’ve found financial freedom and are funded in such a way where, you know, in five to 10 years, if you’re doing it the right way, stop doing all the 401k nonsense.

 

Stop paying down your debt in your house. You can get financial freedom in under a decade. Some even less than five years, if your net worth is already 1.5, $2 million net worth. So you focus on what’s the next generation so section planning. To me,  my kids aren’t this old, but the best way to have them is to own a little rental property.

 

Now at the last mastermind retreat, I joked around with a lot of people who were two or $3 million net worth. Even buying a little rental property for them is a complete waste of time. Yes. You want the kids to learn about this type of stuff, but maybe you just lie to them and you buy them a fake rental property and you ask them, Hey, Jr. The refrigerator broke. What do you want to do? Do you want to fix it? Or, your tenant might move out? And people joked and laughed that yeah. It’ll be easy to make this stuff. I’ll just look up the stuff from my property manager, all the emails, all the garbage BS that came from there, all the drama that happened.

 

And then the funny joke at the end, when the kid gets 16 or 21, you reveal that, Hey man, I just made it all up. But you learned something about this. But this is what the incubator is. So if you’re already in the club and especially if you’re an investor with us currently, we definitely want to hook you up with the incubator concept, which really doesn’t help you and doesn’t  pertain anything to a passive investor.

 

Even though there is a little bit of a carryover, we want your kids to go through it, right? We’re big on education for the next generation because who cares? If you have $5- $6 million net worth, you put it all into infinite banking and the kids take it over.

 

We all know it’s going to happen. They’re just gonna do cocaine. I forget the verbiage, somebody, I think it’s a warm buffet thing, but you want to give them enough money to be comfortable, but not enough to do nothing. I might be butchering that for a little bit, but.

 

You’ll get a sense of what this incubator content is. Again, for the lower  net worth  guys getting started in today’s podcasts with Marianne is going to help me ask the questions. This is probably like 5% of the whole incubator course. It’s like about 20 hours, but that’s the free gift.

 

And that’s the mission behind simple passive cashflow, right? I am working as an engineer. There’s not a day that goes by that I’m super grateful for starting this podcast, which allowed me to start the family office ohana mastermind, which kind of replaced my W2 engineering salary for me to do something that I enjoyed.

 

And, I want to continue to grow that group in the future. If you guys are, a million, $2 million plus, and you get it. You want to invest in deals, but you need that network around you. You can’t go to the local real estate club. You can’t go to all this online free garbage stuff, because they’re just a bunch of freeloaders there and marketers and sharks out there.

 

I created the family office ohana  mastermind now with almost a hundred members. Learn more simple passive cashflow.com/journey, or send a team@simplepassivecashflow.com an email. We’ll get somebody on our staff to tell you what it’s all about, but that’s where we’re heading off into the future, deals and I like this consulting route, right? To me, there’s no better way of impacting people. And for me, I don’t really like to help the masses. I like to help people that I know. That’s just the way that I’ve felt to give back. I like to know the people who I’m helping and it’s a smaller community there.

 

Again, go to simple passive cashflow.com/journey. The incubator is up for grabs for a very limited time email, subject line 300. That’s the secret code for the team to hook you up with it, but you gotta be part of the club, simplepassivecashflow.com/club. And thank you for listening to 300 of the episodes.

 

If there’s any feedback or anything you guys want to see in the future, please let us know. Thank you for allowing me to quit my day job. If not, I’d probably be out there waking up at 6:00 AM for some boring job briefing and that I don’t want to go and regurgitating the company jargon of, safety first or safety second, whatever it is.

 

But again, thank you everybody. Here’s to another a hundred episodes and  looking forward to meeting as many as your person as we open up in 2022 beyond.

 

 

Hello, incubator students. So we have an old student Marianne here who went through the incubator course. So please go through all the past videos before you watch this video, because it’s meant to round out all the remaining questions and fill the gaps. But thanks for jumping on Marianne.

 

And hopefully this discussion helps give me more insight and hopefully I answered all these questions. Sure. Maybe I didn’t like, understand or needed just some clarification. Yeah. And that’s why we do this right in this format, as opposed to writing down answers and a horrible typer.

 

And I was never good at English. So it’s always better to talk through the answers because a lot of these are more, answers in the gray and stuff like. So the first one here is one of our associations, these are rental properties. Is this charged back to the tenant or can it be tax deductible if it’s a short term rental?

 

So let’s just take out the fact that we’re talking about short term or long term. I don’t think it matters either way, but it’s two things here. So they’ll almost all owner association fees for the most part. You can do it either way. It’s just some people decide that they want to charge the tenants.

 

I think some of us who’ve lived in apartments or houses or in college, it was all over the place so very similar. But most times the tenant is just in charge of one thing, especially in B & C class stuff because dude, you don’t want to give these guys responsibility to do another thing.

 

And ultimately you’re the one holding the bag or interest fees racking up. So if you gotta make it easier for them so they just paid one thing, which means they’re typically reimbursed  for utilities or these homeowners association fees. And then the other question is is it tax deductible? Yeah, sure it is necessary and ordinary for your business.

 

I guess I’ll let you ask the questions here. So actually that was for number one. So number two, in this section, within the turnkey, a course on what markets do I invest in? Like in the course material, how often are the top markets updated? Is it annually? Because it’s due to the MSA data. They’re not really updated.

 

I just cut and pasted this thing right here. And it’s supposed to be just guidelines that these are the types of markets. You’ll probably never see California, New York, Boston, Hawaii, Seattle here. All right. These are all secondary and tertiary markets, if you’re looking for the top 10, this is the clickbait type of stuff that maybe I would be the one thing I would be on the lookout for what markets to invest in.

 

The one thing I would caution people about is to stay away from those very small markets like Boise, right? He’s making a lot of headlights now, but it’s only a quarter of a million people. It’s under that. I wouldn’t invest in anything less than half a million or certainly 300- 400,000 thousand population or less.

 

Okay. When you’re talking those bigger medium, large size cities MSA now, like there’s not really much. For the most part. That’s exactly why you pick investing in Phoenix or Houston as their major markets. They don’t really around too much. I would group B&C questions together.

 

Can we correlate a short-term or vacation rental kind of market with Regular turnkey market? So for instance, like Jacksonville, Tampa, Florida, and Arizona, would you say those are, I guess safer  markets? Cause you could either go on vacation or turnkey.

 

To me, like the short term rentals is an entirely different business. It’s a very, and I say that, it’s a seal, like people are living in your box, right? So from that respect, I think that’s where you can say it’s the same, but the way I look at it, it’s very different because the clientele that you serve is very different.

 

Term rentals are more discretionary it’s people on vacation. Just something like, just to prove my point, like very similarly, like a mobile home park. Is for like class D class C type of tenants, but then you have RV parks, same structure, but two very different clientele RV parks are more for the families that like to travel.

 

And they like to go to the parks and on vacation, like two very different clienteles. I just don’t even like to intermingle . Like that. I think you got a good idea there, right? And you’re like, oh wow. If Jacksonville is a place where it’s traditionally been a great secondary market, with a lot of long-term rental short with long term rental market, and people happen to travel up the panhandle up to Florida, to go on vacation because they can’t afford to go to Disneyland or go to international travel. And that’s where. Those types of short term rentals come in. But I guess I was just thinking more of an exit strategy if I need any in future.

 

Would it be an easier exit, but that was my thought. Oh, okay. Yeah. But the problem is like if you’re buying a class B house it is a piece of crap. In terms of short-term rental vacationer standards. You say you’re looking to get a long-term rental and then sell it retail to some sophisticated Airbnb owner.

 

Is that kinda the idea? If we have to exit, for instance, like the pandemic light turns different or at least at the beginning of the pandemic, we are unsure. And this was the other way around like short term people are looking at long-term or maybe, I don’t know, with, meaning futures.

 

Long-term going to short term. I don’t know, but just if I had to exit a turnkey, I was thinking if, having it somewhere that may be short term interest too, if that’s safer. Yeah, it’s just your run. Long-term rental, your class B rental. It ain’t going to be in a place where people are going to be vacationing.

 

And I think a lot of you guys in the incubator, it’s great ideas, but this is where you got to get some on the ground and actually go travel and want to go visit these properties because once you visit the stuff. Shit, that ain’t good. A good idea, right? It’s not dangerous, but nobody in their right mind would come and vacation there for a day or a week.

 

No way. It’s just not gonna happen. Yeah I don’t know if Seattle, right? It’s kinda like you traveled to Seattle. There’s no way in hell. You’re gonna go and get a short-term rental in Auburn, Kent or Renton, no way that’s not going to happen. Or where you’re out in the world.

 

You’re not going to go get an Airbnb in Baltimore, hell no.   It’s the same thing. Or maybe those are bad examples or kind of extreme, but it’s what I’m saying, at the same time to your point, we never knew what was going to happen in the pandemic. Traditionally or especially in Florida, a lot of the people, they’re Airbnb shutdown, but around the summer times, those people were making a killing firefly with their short-term rentals because people couldn’t go to Disney world. They wanted to get the heck out of their houses. And you know how Florida people are right.

 

They’re anti-vax. They want to get out there. The only place they could go was to a little Airbnb in Jacksonville or on the coast. Who knows? But I think, separating the short-term long-term, it’s just two different clienteles, two different asset classes. Got it.

 

Thank you so much, Lane. Okay. I know you’re thinking. I like how you’re thinking too. You never know. Yeah. I was thinking more like airports and stuff too. But then again, how do we correlate the best real estate markets with the rise by sector? I guess as things expand off California and Seattle.

 

What cities are startups, starting to lay down their roots and are any of these new cities in the appreciation market or in those markets where we are, we should look at for short-term rental or long-term? So you’re thinking like the tech markets or any other things that are moving out of California or Seattle, right? Like where are these people going? Boise, I dunno where else they’re going. Analogy that people use is that the Bay Area was like a pressure cooker and it just spilled over, in probably the 2010s, it was spilling over into Seattle, Bellevue, Kirkland . And then in the last decade, also it spilled over to Salt Lake City, Phoenix.

 

And then with the pandemic, with the remote working where a lot of these tech companies said, you can go where the heck you guys want. Now it’s spilled over to these other or tertiary markets like Boise, people are coming to Hawaii here. Because they don’t, they have no need to go to an office anymore.

 

So they’re going all over the place. I’m not in tech, so I don’t know, but the traditionalist inside of me still feels like these people need to be physically located in a city hub. But every city is telling themselves that it has a little tech sector, Atlanta, even places like Birmingham, right?

 

Like it’s everywhere, right? Like the Delta variant it’s everywhere, it’s your fault. Okay, thank you, Lane. I asked specifically about Texas because in question E because my husband just moved to Texas this year, where would you recommend to invest in Texas? And does it depend on the year, like in your copy and paste above, you mentioned that’s pretty general, a year does not matter.

 

Yeah. Texas is on fire. You see all the stats every single month, the people will be from everywhere, especially California, pro economy, more of a red state, except for Austin, Texas. Everything is new out there and from a traffic engineer standpoint, like you can build roads how you want it.

 

Everything’s bigger in Texas. Traditionally this is as far back as like the early 2000s, they call it the Texas triangle. So that is Dallas, Houston, San Antonio. Anywhere in the Texas triangle, it’s just blowing up. That said, that has been the sentence for the last decade.

 

And now in the year 2021, it’s getting older, especially in Dallas. You have a lot of unsophisticated people just coming in. Oh, it’s really hard to buy even class C assets. It used to be, you could buy it for 40- 50 grand a unit. Now you’re over a hundred grand for some of that class C.

 

Texas is overplayed and you’re probably like five years, to be the first settler. But that said, all the fundamentals are still strong and people are, keep moving in. Rents are still going up. I guess if I’m reading your question, maybe it’s not as hot in Dallas, but maybe people are starting to look in Fort Worth more, which is the sister city of Dallas. They’re running off to Houston. Now, San Antonio was a little weak in the last handful of years, but now these things go up and down. But I don’t think you can go wrong anywhere on like the  or other main interstates, even going out to the panhandle.

 

Okay. Thank you Lane for helping. Moving on to the next section on deal analysis is really just a comment on the deal analysis like excel on the analyzer, I was wondering if we should include some of the assumptions, 5% in some of the fields and then also like color code, like conditional format.

 

So see if I put in certain numbers that all were red. If it’s low, the trash will be looked at. So maybe I could work on that for you, Lane, if you want. Or I could just see for myself. Yeah. I think a lot of people out there want to go based on whether I want the spreadsheet to light up blue or different shades of green.

 

But things change all the time, right? Like when five years ago you’d be looking for properties at the 1.1%, rent the value threshold in a certain sub-market. Now, today that same market, you might be lucky to find rent to value ratios at 0.9%. So it’s a constantly moving target. And if you’ve seen that chart that I show sometimes of like general cap rates coming down, It ain’t getting better.

 

It’s just you did the infinite banking thing and they always change those things. The best time to do it was yesterday guys, and this is why in the incubator group, like we always have people. I always tell people I don’t know what lights up, the spreadsheet, red or green.

 

I say that facetiously because I’m like go out and go analyze 20, 50, a hundred properties. And you go tell me where the scatter chart tells you where the water line is on this type of stuff. Let’s see. Cool. The next one is more just on organizing the Google drive.

 

I think I put it here, should we put it as the suffix rather than the prefix? Because of some of the files, I was like where do I see? Where do I, how do I see the actual file? But that’s fine. It was just my comments on the origin or anything. Okay. Okay. What, like what fall are you trying to get access to Google drive files?

 

Yeah, but which one? Maybe I should email you the record. Cause I put these questions a while back and I forget what the deal analysis is. Sorry. Okay. I think so. I think all the, like the resources and files are just clumped in the share file, but if you go through the incubator course or the remote investor equal yeah.

 

The links are there in the order of progression. So let’s see, I caught it here. You didn’t go through the e-course. I know, like that’s how I would do it. I’m just like you, right? I’m like, all right let me just read stuff as I need it, not go through the freaking order and then let me download this big resource and just go do the research. Like you worked backwards. That’s how I would do it too. But that’s why you have enough problems. Okay. Thank you.

 

Yeah. It’s pretty typical of folks in our group, right? That’s why you’re doing what you’re doing.

So doesn’t that eel hold the same weight as cash on cash or ROI, is NOI, does it hold the same weight and why. Cash on cash. I’ve never heard of net yield, talked about two months, but cash on cash is a very common one. It’s a cash and cost is based on how much money you have if your down payment and then how much ROI getting on it.

 

NOI is how much money you’re making. You’re profiting. So income minus expenses, not including any of your debt service. Because some people won’t use any debt, which is silly to me. Some people will use 70%. Some people use 80%. So in terms of people comparing their investments, they throw all that stuff out the window and just compare the net operating income on a deal.

 

But as an investor, when you’re looking at your portfolio you have three or four properties. Something I suggest investors do every year is prune off the property, one out of the bunch. So the way you’re doing this is you’re just comparing yourself. You just, you’re just in competition with yourself or your properties or competition that gets each other.

 

So you want to figure out what your return on equity is. So part of that analysis is your cash and cash return. Okay? Yes. I think that makes sense. ‘ cause I sometimes am emotional about stuff. I buy mine, looking at it through this analysis. This helps me prune, yeah. The resource for that is simplepassivecashflow.com/roe.

 

There’s a spreadsheet in there where you put all your properties and then you put in like how much equity the schools or deployable equity you have in there. So basically. You have how much property you’re profiting. You are divided by how much deployable equity and that’s your return on equity.

 

And then it compares all your properties. And for most people that they do this especially the ones that have done it the traditional way, where they try and fail debt, which doesn’t take advantage of all the inflation that’s happening. Now, you get killed by hanging off.

 

Now that you’re like, oh shoot, I have this one a hundred percent paid off, even though I’m cash a lot. And it is, it might be a great rental in my portfolio. This is my dead weight right here. This is what I should probably sell refinanced. We keep on first. And that’s what it helps. Helps you make that decision.

 

Okay. Thank you then. I think they are kind of related too, so cat rave, so let’s talk about cat rate. Any, should we only show, talk about cat rate when it’s all cash, since it’s the ratio of net operating income to property value. So if I bought a house at 70 and like the NOI seven, that brings me to a clean cap of 10, right? Or no? So cap rate is typically used in commercial real estate. When you’re buying little rental properties, it really doesn’t. People like to use it to sound cool, but it’s really, to me, not the place or that type of usage of the word, in a single-family home, we mainly discuss in terms of cash on cash return or return on equity, which is more just in competition with your old self.

 

But when you’re trying to compare all the investors, like comparing each other’s stuff, Ooh, I’m getting cash on cash return. That’s how you typically talk in terms of things. When you find an investor and they stay alive, operating on us for cat five cat, they usually there it’s like one of those people that they want to sound cool, but they really only look like a douche because.

 

Terms correctly. Cap rates are mostly for the commercial world because as I cut and paste this in here, cap rates are severely overestimated. In most cases, especially by brokers, sellers, and syndicators. And your guy who likes to brag about his one rental property, being a seven or 15 cap, I don’t really pay much attention to.

 

The reason why is because typically what’s going on or expenses are always left out or income is slated and that’s what dictates your cap. So when you have bad data, you might as well just throw the dang thing out. So it’s like a top of line calculation. They’re always manipulated, and this can throw your cap plus or minus 2%, right?

 

So an example is a broker will be like, oh, we got it. We got a fifth, 12 cap. First of all, when I see that stuff, I know I’m working with just a douchebag broker, right? Another one of these yo-yos. And I want to work with a broker that shows me numbers and actually is not going to just try and trick me.

 

But ridiculous stuff with, oh, we’re working on a seven chapter eight cap, right? The reason why is because they’re just manipulating, they’re just manipulating, but either income or expenses. And one common way is maybe they don’t show the property manager, the owner is doing the property management themselves.

 

So they’re saving several thousand dollars with property management. But when I take over the property, you take over the property, we’re going to need it. So that nine chap property goes down to a six, five cat property overnight. That’s why I threw the dang thing up, because it all depends on how the seller has manipulated it. Their profit and loss statement. That makes sense.

 

So it’s what do you want, what cap rate do you want to see? That’s why all brokers know that they have a sucker, a buyer like, oh, Marianne, what a cap rate are you looking for? Eight and a half. All right. Let me just change this number here. Like it’s, if you don’t know the difference.

 

All right. Here’s the eight cap. Oh, you like it? That’s good. That’s exactly what you want. Okay. When you’re working with institutional brokers, larger deals where they don’t jerk around. They sell things as they are. Yeah. You still have to be, do your due diligence. And you’re playing a detective to get the cap rate.

 

You have less of this nonsense. But with single-family homes, anything under 60 minutes, this is going to be very positive and it was just why I don’t even look at the cat. Mind blowing. Thanks Lane. Appreciate it. Case study, I have not submitted what he said yet because my husband and I are looking at an investment in Houston or attempting Houston, but the TKI.

 

I think in Houston,Texas, they mentioned that they’re out of inventory. So they’re supposed to send the inventory list this month. Yeah. Which may or may not be good. Because they have so many clients, sucker investors. There’s so many people now that after the start of the pandemic have rushed into buying turnkey rentals.

 

That’s one of the reasons why we paused on the whole incubator program because. I’ve moved off to syndications and private placements. And like the turnkey world is always just always changing people come in, they come out the good ones. If they’re smart, they go to more retail products and they don’t mess with cheapskate investors.

 

Which is hard, right? Like the people that people always talk about on the forums, those are the people just gouging people on prices because they built up a track record. And the sponsored group has happened. But I dunno, I figure out what the property is worth, that you’re actually paying for, not the price that you’re paying, gonna use your deal analyzer for that.

 

So thank you. You have to figure out the comparable sales, right? You get to do that yourself. And unfortunately that’s why I don’t like residential real estate because the price is dictated and comparable sales have nothing to do with the number. So when you’re buying a duplex triplex spot, it shouldn’t go based on the numbers.

 

It should get the price dictated on comparable sales. Oh, he understood. I was wondering in terms of the financing, do you know if you like for duplex turnkeys, if we should even look at FPG loans, yeah. Because if he’s based in one of the units, can I try to receive, we could qualify for FPG.

 

Yeah. You have to be owner occupied and you have to be owner occupied to get that stuff. I’m not super familiar with the FHA. And this is where you talk with your lender because the rules kind of change. But my understanding is that for the FHA stuff you have to live there for sure. On the Fannie and Freddie loans, you don’t have to be living there to be not more occupied, but you gotta come with a full 20% down payment and you’re going to have to pay maybe half a point higher than what you would have otherwise, if it was occupied.

 

But I don’t know. If you guys are accredited investors, to me, it’s a freaking waste of time. What do you do? You do all this work, you do the inspection you buy, especially when you buy it over market price, because you’re surrounded by a bunch of unsophisticated turnkey buyers that just listen to a bunch of podcasts and you’re overpaying by 10 20 grand plus, it all you’re going to have at the end of the day is going to be underwater and you’re going to be making what, $200 a cashflow a month.

 

For younger people, That’s cool. What if your net worth is half a million or your credit investor then? In Hawaii, we call that full whole. It’s not worth it. It’s PETA. Okay. Thanks. Even what the E I D and I think they’ll lower is the FHA we can get in with. And what’s the look at the ROI, the cash on cash, because my down payment is so low.

 

I’m making, I’m just making this up 30% of my money, 40% of my money just in cash, because I only have $10,000 down. But how much are you really making at the end of the day for that level of effort? I don’t know. And then I, especially for accredited investors, You’re going to be living amongst your tenants.

 

This is not cool for married people, in my opinion, but I’m not, this is a lifestyle that doesn’t listen to me. And if I wasn’t a credit investor, I’d want to live somewhere. Cool. Instead of just a turnkey rental, with LVT flooring and indestructible countertops, I’d rather.

 

Living in a nice, luxurious apartment. I think seeing me as my husband, he likes apartment living too, so yeah, but we’ll look and see. Yeah, but I get it right. Like the FHA is, that’s the law, right? You think you’re coming in with 5% down and the wheels in your head or? Ooh, that’s a great ROI, but is it really?

 

Move the needle. And at what point, especially as a credit investor, you start to realize I’m going to get financial freedom very quickly in the next five years. If you’re already a credit investor, why am I doing silly things like moving in next to my tenants? For some of you guys deserve to start living it up already.

 

Nobody ever tells you that, everybody wants you to like, don’t find latte living under your means. Save. Because of that, I don’t know. I think it’s one of those things where if you had parents like mine or you probably are the same, you were rewarded by being very frugal.

 

Yeah. And I guess. At work, if you do well, you get rewarded with more work. So yeah. All messed up. Is that, huh? Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. I guess I was along the same lines as while we already went through. It’s 10% down, not five but 10, but no PMI and sturdy. So we were looking at that too.

 

That, yeah, we’ll go through that. Yeah. I don’t know all these companies there’s or there’s a bunch of these guys there for the most part, I would, they make it really easy to apply, which is nice, but I think you have to be careful that bait and switch, especially if it’s not owner occupied and you have to massage your debt to income ratios in your power profile.

 

They, these guys spend a bunch on ads and they get you guys to apply via their app. They’re typically I don’t think they have as good pricing for the most part. A lot of times this thing. Okay. I guess you’re 2021, for all the listeners. What is the average rate for the third year?

 

For now, I don’t know. I have no idea. Maybe for non-owner occupied, maybe 4% to 6%. Okay. Yeah. What I would do is if you walk into any bank and you look at the really low rights for owner occupied offices, and I think that what does that three and a half percent right now? Yeah. That’s never nobody ever gets that.

 

It’s what it seems like. So it’s that, it’s more like for, so what I’ll do is go plus a half a point because it’s not occupied the beat four and a half.

 

Do you recommend using HELOC or non-recourse asset based loans to like funds to? why not? Do you need to figure out your level of risks that you want to take part in? You want to ask me five, 10 years ago. If I felt comfortable with people getting lots of leverage on top of their leverage, using the HELOC for down payments and more properties, I would have felt uncomfortable with that personally.

 

But today I guess I’ve been desensitized to it and I’m like if you’re buying cash flowing assets, I’ll bad Kennedy. Go ahead and do it, right? Yeah. But most more, most people have just lazy equity, nothing Jack. So I’d like to get that working first, before you start to get key locks and stuff like that, going to the non-recourse asset based loan. They sound foolish and the lenders make great fees on this, which is why they always push the stuff, especially like the all-in-one loans and the portfolio loans.

 

But the Thies suck on boats and their leisurely higher rates. Do you want it? You want to exhaust your Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac volts first all the time. And this is like where the lenders are, they’re not your friend. Make no mistake. They’re not your friend. They’re always going to like it. As soon as they start to see your borrower profile become a little bit squirrely.

 

They’re going to look for the easy way out, just like we talked about like tax professionals, right? They always want to do things the easy way. So once you, once they start to say, oh, your debt to income ratio is anywhere from 60 to 45. I don’t know. I’m just making this up, but oh, Hey Maryanne, maybe you should do a non-recourse asset-based loan, a portfolio loan, think for yourself.

 

Understand the pros and cons of going down that to me, if you have a clean borrower profile and you have good debt to income ratio, Do you use the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac loans, but for some of you guys out there who have California rentals and a lot of equity that mess up your debt to income ratio, because it’s not a good purchase and a, not a good loan, then you pop, you might not fall find, you may have to go down this non-recourse asset based loan, but then again, if you have several hundred thousand dollars of equity in your California rental, you shouldn’t be investing in little rental properties.It’s probably a accredited.

 

Great. That makes sense. I don’t know. I, yeah, it depends where you are and like your profile. So yeah, some options out there but yeah. Do your own analysis. Got it. Hard money. So it says for instance, if you did use hard money, would you recommend paying off, paying it off quickly instead of refinancing because of all of these?

 

Why are you using hard money on these types of properties? Paint the scenario that you do make this with. I dunno, for. I don’t know for someone who may not qualify for a traditional, I don’t know if anyone would use hard money, but I’m not sure. Yeah. Let me give one example and then if you can think of another let me know.

 

So I would think the only reason why you’re trying to use hard money to go after a deal, if you’re buying that deal, is because you’re stressed and you need to close on it quickly, or. Maybe it is a turnkey and it’s a highly competitive environment. You’ve got to go in with a stronger offer, which I would say totally buy the damn property in the first place.

 

Everybody is heavy going off of it. You’re buying it over price period. Don’t do it. It’s not it’s not like an LP feels like, oh we’re having a $50,000 position, but because everybody. I Want it now, it’s $60,000. It doesn’t happen in the world. But that would be the only reason why you’d want to use hard money.

 

And this is we get into the realm of the people doing that BRRR strategy that buy, rent, rehab, refinance, you’re an accredited investor to me. This is just Childsplay. Just don’t waste your time doing this stuff, unless you’d like to feel like you’re making a lot of money and feel like you’re forced.

 

That’d be the only reason why you do the hard money. But that’s up to you, right? Like how do you want to run your finances? Do you want to use Ash or would you rather use a hilar or use a hard money loan and keep the cash on the side? It’s always having dry powder. It’s up to you. Is there any circumstance where you can think where you’d have to use hard money to go after a deal?

 

Oh, indeed. You want to go heavy, right? Because all the books tell you, if you go on hard money, you can get a 5% discount, which doesn’t happen. That was like 1998 or something like that. It was not really real, especially when you’re buying retail type of products like turnkeys, and I can get no discount with that.You’re already buying it overpriced. Okay. Good to know.

 

 

 

Cash reserves. So like in case of vacancies, I don’t know, like what, how would you recommend whether present teacher number, like in order to handle the loan payments? I, what kind of cash reserves we should have, like a total portfolio in case of emergencies, if we’re doing that.

 

Okay. This is totally up to your personality, too. Some people believe the Corona virus is real. Some people aren’t right. Like it, people, it’s all based on where your personal head space is at. If you want, the bank, where they’re called, smart money or just conservative to criminal we’re conservative.

 

They typically want anywhere from three to six months of principal, interest taxes and insurance. So on a little rental property where your mortgage is 500 bucks, they’re wanting what? 1500, three grand. So we can use that as a starting point. How does that sound to you? Is that, are you, would you like more, which you can, what is your personal comfort level?

 

I guess I would say that class time is six. Okay. And this is where it’s up to your personal comfort level. Like I would say in my experience what’s the worst that can happen. A tenant messes up your property and now you have to pay $20,000 to get the thing back online. There should be other places you should be able to take cash from, to pay for some very low chance of something. But high-impact things like that. What’s going to happen? 80% of the time is maybe a tenant moves out and maybe your property goes vacant for a handful of months and you might have to fix something.

 

So that might be, you gotta pay your debt service for a few months. So 1500, maybe you gotta pay to put in a thousand dollars of repairs. So two to $3,000 is you’re going to be your key in most cases. So I would tell people like, we’ll have at least. It is dry powder, but then it also has to do with your personal cash flow levels.

 

Like we just had in our mastermind group, a guy who makes eight or nets $8,000 he puts that away every month. Old Henry. And he, and I’m like dude, you’re fine. Like you can have a vacancy, every single month, several every month you’d be fine. So he needs less dry powder around.

 

And for a lot of people in our group, a lot of you guys are able to save two to three, $4,000 per month. So that should, you’re good. You can also keep some dry powder and like some IRAs, Roth IRAs or.

 

I’m not saying you should have $3,000 times six. I think that’s a little ridiculous. And then as you get more properties, right? I think your level of dollar per property goes down, because you’re reaching a more steady state. You’re more diversified, right? So it’s harder in the beginning.

 

And when your net worth is lower, which sucks. That’s what’s hard. I bought this whole wealth building thing. And at the beginning, it’s the hardest, but as your net worth grows, as you have more income, more cash flow from just your day job and you have more properties, your level of insurance goes down. And just to use an extreme example. If you had larger companies, they self-insure to a point.

 

Yeah, it’s called the trickle for me, because I use mint to track my net with. So when it drops, the cash side drops. I’m like, oh, I wish he was over here. But yeah, and this is like every situation is different. And what I would say for you, you’re more on the conservative side, but for every rental property.

 

Yeah. This is just me shooting from the hip. Don’t do exactly what I’m saying, because I just thought of it. I’m in it. But maybe knowing your personality, maybe I would get a few thousand dollars per property of cash reserves, but be able to pull a little bit from elsewhere. If you’re able to net three, $4,000 per month, you’re good right there.

 

And then the more properties you have. I would say maybe $1,500 per property. You start to work your way down that way. Yep. I agree. Probably on lending. What kind of lenders should we use to reuse those that are recommended by the provider? Or the turnkey provider or like on your preferred list, I don’t know if we need to like, try to scale to other states, if we should think about that and then yeah.

 

So the way the lending works is the lender, the lenders are a lot of the guys that we work with are licensed in multiple states, like life insurance, right? So those, the banking stuff that we do. The same guy gets licensed in multiple states. That’s all it is. That’s it. And the loans that were getting Fannie Mae Freddie Mac for the most part are federal programs.

 

It doesn’t really matter what state you’re in. So what I would say in terms of the lender, right? There’s two parts of the lender, the broker, right? The sales guy, the guys who tell you all this stuff that they can do. You’re trying to, that’s why you work with referrals, right?

 

Because these guys are not just the stupid salesman that tell you one thing, but then the underwriter in the back room tells them they can’t do it. And now you’re stuck. And then the general rule of thumb is you don’t go to a large bank because typically those people are, might be great at working with owner occupied stuff in the state that you live in.

 

But this non-owner occupied stuff is a little different to them. And I would just not interest those types of people to do it. I would look for people who do own or non owner occupied and rowboat rental property. As their primary business. Okay. Reps, I guess if someone is like 35 to become an inspector with that country threat status doodle property inspector.

 

Yeah. If you’re a real estate agent, you can inspect properties for gazillion hours a year. Play a real estate agent for a gazillion hours a year. But if you’re not actively participating in your personal portfolio, it doesn’t count. I see. And this is where I’m a little fuzzy and of course, none of this is financial advice or tax advice.

 

Go find a CPA. That’s going to sign off on this stuff first. But of course, I always tell you guys to get educated on this stuff and know the nuances. So if you can go and play a little intellectual jiu-jitsu with your CPA. So they just don’t do it the easy way until you know what. To me, if you need to have some active participation in your portfolio.

 

Now, if you’re an inspector, really how much you can’t hit 750 hours inspecting your property is not going to happen man. Okay. So no, but you need to say but how can I? Interesting. Good question. So that’s a difference between yes, you’re doing real estate activities, but has nothing to do with your portfolio or passive portfolio that you’re operating.

 

All right. Insurance question on umbrella insurance. Currently, we plan not to have a car anymore. I was wondering, if we should still get an umbrella, neither of us are in high liability kind of professions. To me umbrellas, the first thing you get well before, you get property insurance on your properties.

 

But yeah, you get the umbrella before you get any LLCs, start spending money on that type of stuff. Okay. The umbrella is the one that everybody thinks is you’re driving in your car or you hit grandma, right? Yeah. Even if you don’t have a car, I would still get it. It’s so cheap, like probably a few hundred bucks. Just get it.

 

Yeah. Because it’s supposed to cover let’s just say the insurance doesn’t cut, jump in. Supposedly the umbrella is supposed to be your next layer before you rely on all these entities. But too often entities and all these others. Exotic trusts are sold before this. Hey, it’s you’ve got this armor on, put this stuff on. It’s like just the order where you put it in. Thank you. That helps a lot. And it’s cheap just to get it right. Yeah. Operating the property. So do you think for the turnkeys  we would need to put in things like remote control thermostats or security systems and security cameras, or that depends whether it’s A, B or C type of finishing?

 

Yeah. You’re not going to put a Siri or Alexa thing in that property, class C they’ll probably just steal it or something like that. It sounds cool, but it’s just not the clientele.  My style is like, you hire good people and you rely on their expertise as consultants.

 

And these are your property managers. You know, asked what they think about it. They’re going to give you the best opinion, because they’re set in the ground. They know the clientele, they know the area. But typically not the type of long-term rentals that we’re doing. Short-term rentals probably, but that’s a totally different business.

 

I’m just saying this, but I don’t want security cameras in there. I’m probably going to get sued or something like that for invasion  of privacy or some nonsense like that. Okay. Exit strategy. If we can sell it back to the turnkey provider or should we? You could, they’ll buy it. That’s an option most times is they know that you’re an unsophisticated buyer who’s distressed. So they’re going to buy it for pennies on the dollars, just like the used car dealer. 

 

 And this is the thing, right? That the business model for a lot of these name brand turnkey companies is they’re buying a hundred thousand dollar property for 120. Now, if you come to them and you say, and enough, I don’t want this thing anymore. They’re probably going to fire for 75 and then sell it again to some sucker at 110 to 120 again. Okay. If we have a bad experience with a tenant and want to exit, do we change property managers instead of selling it?

 

That can possibly be a solution. I guess you got to figure out what the problem is, right? Is it your PM or is it just a tenant or maybe that property isn’t very good? And this is where you have to figure things out because everybody’s going to be blaming each other. So for example, the properties manager is going to say the turnkey company sucked because they didn’t fix all this stuff.

 

Or they’re going to blame the tenant, we have a horrible tenant. The tenant’s going to be blaming the property manager and that the property sucks and it’s all brokers, it’s just a constant finger-pointing game. So it’s your job. And it’s three employees that are dysfunctional. No, they couldn’t complain to you as the boss for all you guys aren’t there that are like managers of people, it’s just like the childish stuff you have to deal with.

 

Totally. You think that it’s going to be like a grownup adult and once the kid graduates and goes off to college, no one follows. But maybe there are still some problems. Like when we sell it on MLS, should we target retail or like investors bigger pockets, investors, or would you recommend for sale by owner?

 

I would sell it. If the tenant moves out then, what I would do is fix it up retail. You might spend 10 to $20,000 and then sell that thing to a local broker to sell to some retail owner, occupied buyer, hopefully thrilled with the motion to buy it and will overpay for what it really is. If you want to get rid of it.

 

What I would do is I would list it with a lot of discount brokers that will sell it with a tenant in place to a turnkey buyer. If you guys need a recommendation, you guys can shoot me an email. I can connect you with my guy who does that.

 

It’s kinda like a boat. You’re happy when you get in here, you can have here, when you hold a turnkey rental property, if you’re an accredited investor, like for those of you guys out there who are under half a million dollars net worth keep buying rentals, I always have to put it in because people cannot make that difference.

 

Understood. And would you ever recommend owner financing? Never. It’s like a unicorn. It never happens to these guys and don’t even fall for this stuff. The tenants, like when I left the property, I want to live there. Can we work out some deal, lease option, owner finance. Those are the reasons why these guys are living in class B&C rentals.

 

Their credit report is probably shot. They don’t follow through with things. This is not going to happen, guys. Just stop wasting your time and just sell it to retail or to a discount broker. It’s just like borrowing money. Lending money to you, like your brother-in-law or your sister-in-law is not going to get it back.

 

It’s just not going to happen. I think that’s right. Would you recommend selling to a family? Oh no. Heavens no. And the problem is like you might be in good faith that I’m selling the property. Like I wouldn’t, I’ve done it in the past where I sell properties to people I know.

 

And I always do. Hey, man. I’m just being honest here. Like I fix things up as they need to, but if something should break, I’m sorry. That’s just the risks you take on and so you need to have that discussion. To me. It’s not worth it. And then with the year of the house, be built into key decisions to exit strategy, not really houses.

 

It’s not like commercial assets, where there’s a definitive class A,B & C type of thing with ages when apartments in the 1970s are more like the class B minus type level or class A is getting into the 1980s, 1990s, houses there’s no age on the date for the most part.

 

The bad side of that is you can sink an infinite amount of money into a house too, in terms of repairs and upgrades, etcetera. But any other questions? Good question. Those were all I had as I went through the course, because it was so detailed and I guess answered most of my questions already. So thanks Lane.  We’ll throw this into the remote investor eCourse for folks. Thanks, Marianne.

 

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Hey simple passive cashflow listeners. Today, we are doing a coaching call with Eric who has a net worth of a million and a half. He’s an accredited investor, and he has a bunch of rentals, but he’s looking to sell them off, go into syndications and private placements. So we’re gonna be talking a lot about how he built up that original portfolio.

 

He worked with a bunch of friends, a bunch of guys drinking beers, pulled the cash together and that’s how we got to accredited status. And then we’re going to talk a lot about options, 1031, that type of stuff. And a lot of good stuff here. So I think, a lot of you guys starting out, you guys are creeping over that million dollar stage.

 

This is going to be very perfect  to a lot of you guys.  All right, let’s welcome Eric who’s also a FOOM member . If you guys want to check out that group go to simplepassivecashflow.com/journey. A lot of high quality people in that group, but, yeah, go there to learn more. But yeah, Eric, thanks for jumping on.

 

Thanks for having me. Yeah. Once you give people a little context on how you got started a little bit like, how old you are, family structure, then how long ago did you get started to get to the point million and a half now? Yeah, sure. So I’m 33. I’m married. I have two kids under three, and we started out about five or six years ago getting into real estate.

 

Following college. I worked in oil and gas. My undergrad is related to oil and gas and kind of the business finance side. So I did that for a few years traveling a lot and jumped into renewable energy about five or six years ago. And have been doing that ever since as a project manager for utility wind and solar projects, but along the way we got away from the traditional personal finance stuff, IRA, SEP IRAs, Roth things like that.

 

I didn’t have any travel expenses like you in part of your career or any living expenses. I’m sorry. Cause I was living in hotels for the first four years out of school. So I was able to stockpile a decent amount of cash. Just didn’t know what to do with it, honestly on the road a lot started listening to podcasts, like a lot of people in their mid twenties, right?

 

Yeah. I’m 25. I bought my first little house just outside of Austin that we’re actually getting ready to sell. And when listening to podcasts, alternate investing kind of stuff, real estate really starts going down the rabbit hole of rental properties and I think that’s the way many do when you get on bigger pockets.

 

And that led to other podcasts over the next few years, but probably between. I dunno, 26 and 20. And now we have about 35 units in central Texas of rental properties, all small residential, one to four units. Some of those are probably A class that we’ve lived in around Austin. And some of those are your C class, Eight are B or eight are D, kind of fourplexes and duplexes.

 

That cashflow pretty well in an area near Fort Hood Killeen, which if you’re looking at it recently, it’s been growing a lot, over the past year or two, but, that’s where we thought we were going to go is rental properties and cashflow. That was going to be our way out to quit working if we wanted to, or as my wife and I, at that point in that late twenties got engaged and then married, that was our pathway that we thought we were going to go down.

 

I guess as I got older and a little smarter. Started talking with high net worth parents of my friends that I, we were hanging out with, maybe having a drink or whatever. And I realized that none of them own little dumpy houses in Killeen, Texas. They were investing in commercial funds and Large multifamily deals, new development subdivisions, things like that.

 

So started picking their brain a little bit on it. Like we’ve built up like a nice little portfolio. You think you’re hot stuff and then you find other people that do it very differently. And after a while you start to follow the breadcrumbs.

 

Yeah. Like you mentioned hot stuff, right? Like in my peer group, I was the guy buying rental properties, thinking I was doing well or whatever, but then you stretch your network a little bit and you realize there’s people your age that have already amassed quite a bit of wealth.

 

They get there in different ways and I just got my eyes open to the long-term game, not the running back and forth, checking on rehabs and dealing with tenant headaches and all that stuff and it wasn’t what I wanted. So over the past couple of years, we started looking for different ways and luckily a family friend got us in with a group out of Fort worth that does medical office spaces.

 

And that’s kinda how we got our start in a limited partner investing. And so in 2020, we started putting a little bit of money in probably I think 150,000. Some of that was with the group that I started with just buddies who were interested in the same thing, all, early thirties, good paying jobs, things like that.

 

We wanted to find a way to get our money to work for us. And then in 2021, we got fortunate with some good appreciation around Austin and sold one of our old primary houses that we had lived in for two out of the five. So no taxes to worry about and started refinancing a lot of our rental properties, just pulling out a decent amount of cash.

 

And I met Lane. I met you. I think we started talking about a deal in Houston at one point. And that’s where you met the mastermind group and enjoyed that. And since then, we’ve been diving all in. The unfortunate thing is that there are a lot of people who haven’t met any wealthy people.

 

You don’t know what you’re missing. And I think correct me if I’m wrong, but like  you’re lucky enough to be in proximity to some wealthy people that you can see the other side. Is that correct? Yeah. I grew up in a working class kind of middle class, going to work. They advise me to go to school and get a job, get a high paying job that way, whether it’s a project manager, oil and gas.

 

That’s part of the reason I pursued oil and gas is because it’s typically high paying, but yeah, no one in my family was buying rental properties or looking to invest in apartment deals or whatever. A family friend that I think was a buddy I grew up with and his dad had been doing it in that kind of opened my eyes to it.

 

And then we got to go rub shoulders with some of his friends at weddings, this and that. And you really saw a different lifestyle from yeah. You know what my trajectory was with rentals and just, a couple hundred dollars here, a unit couple hundred dollars here, a unit first, putting in a hundred thousand and then doubling that in three or five years.

 

And then we’re just rolling the money over. So just to set the table for you guys on the podcast, we also put this up on the YouTube channel too. I think we have a playlist of all the past coaching calls because we have the personal financial sheet up here. So we’re going to talk through some of these numbers and this and these other charts.

 

And I think this is also available. And if you guys sign up for the clubs that will pass a cashflow.com/club, all of these get categorized in net worth. Cause we’ve done a bodily, it’s a couple of dozen of these so far, so you can see where you are, but Eric’s got a net worth of 1.5 million. So we’ll fit that in where it needs to go in the pecking order. So you guys can fit yourselves in, but again, network million, $1.5 million. So that’s what I call it, like where he is at this point in time. But the other point, anybody who’s like a physics major took physics. You guys know one in time and then velocity, the velocity ice I call it is which, what do you net at the end of every month?

 

So his assets or his monthly assets or income coming in here, I think your real estate stuff is about half or a little bit more than half than your day job stuff looks like. That’s moving in the right direction. That’s where you want to go. We had some people in the group where they make most of their money through the ordinary income route.

 

And that’s why you don’t want to have an app, right? Yeah. It’s been a long time coming. It always hasn’t been that way, but the last two or three years, it has, but granted, we also self manage these, so there’s no management fee. So I do have to devote some time to that. But luckily, To put systems in place and, dealing with good and bad contractors throughout the years.

 

Yeah. It’s starting to make it worthwhile, dammit. It’s working. All, all those threads that you had in your twenties, they didn’t believe you, but it’s working now. Your expenses are in control. I think this is what we talk about a lot, like in, in our kind of circle.

 

A lot of us got to this point and worked class. A lot of us are very frugal, but I tell guys like, Eric, Hey, lighten up a little bit, have some fun, things are gonna be okay. Very, so the control we’re pretty frugal. Our mortgage is $1,800 a month in Texas. We have relatively pretty cheap housing. For my job, I get paid mileage and I drive around 50,000 miles a year. So essentially I don’t have a car payment and my wife’s car, she uses it in her business. So it’s written off. So we don’t have a ton of expenses but we do like to travel. So we do have a little bit of fun, but once the kiddos are a little older, we’ll get back to that.

 

We’re going to get you into the exotic car hacking subgroup. I’m sure my wife would love that. I know which by the way guys, as I’m going through this course, now there’s ways you can hack  cars. It’s based on the whole depreciation schedule, it hits the bottom and it pops up.

 

So the idea is you buy it at the right point. You hold on to it, as it pops up, you can actually own the car for free or make money possibly. But anyway, fun stuff  but any net cash flow, you’re putting away quite a bit of money. It’s definitely  six figures a year to put two investments in. I could do like three or four syndication deals a year, beautiful stuff.

 

Talk to us, you started to invest with your buddies, right? Like shortly after you got started, how did that all come about? How  did you guys work that?  After a few years of me talking about real estate and buying properties and probably headaches that came with that, I convinced three of my buddies that I went to school with in college with, to form an LLC, you start buying some rental properties.

 

In that Fort Hood area. And we bought a fourplex. A couple of duplexes realized I was the one doing all the grunt work, even though I was taking a small little fee to do it, but I got it. Do you structure that to compensate yourself for your time? Yeah, we just set it up as a member LLC.

 

And then I had a separate property management LLC, and we did a lease agreement to my LLC for 6% of the revenue of the rent. Oh, you were doing the property management, right? Yeah. So we’ve always self managed. We’ve never used a third party. Yeah. I’ve seen some people. If you have property management, you paid for property management,  your role will be asset managers, maybe take a point. That’s fair.

 

Yes. That’s come up in the last or conversations cause even, that same group, some of the deals in 2020, we all went in. So we, a hundred thousand minimum each show is through and 25. And the idea was whether it’s the fourplex, a duplex, whatever we buy or a syndication, should there be some kind of fee because, I spend a decent amount of time reaching out to people or a decent lot of time dealing with property management stuff to find those opportunities for us.

 

So we’ve brought that up, but, honestly with the syndication part, it’s been, it hasn’t been too hard, you find a few good people and we’re trying to dip our toes in with the few of them and see which ones we like. And, in a few years, hopefully some deals go full cycle.

 

We’ll have those three to five syndicators that we can just keep rolling over the money with, with that group. So what percent of your current week, like where you’re actually on real rental properties directly, are through your buddies, LLC or personally alone? Yeah. So on the tab that you’re on, those are all just my wife and I.

 

There’s another tab that shows the partnership kind of market value, loan balance SENCF. What would you say just dollar wise equity do you have between just personally with buddies? So this one is, its market value is 580,000. So I own a quarter of that. Mostly personally, on your own vast majority.

 

Yeah. We bought a few and I really liked the model of having all of it, if I’m going to have to deal with it. And we talked about it and I think the better plan for that partnership was to just do syndications and try to get a little bit more money and spread it out that way.

 

Yeah. But that was cool. You got them involved, right? You got them the taste of blood and I think they’re hooked right. Two of the other guys they’re just kinda like I’ll send them stuff all the time and either they have the money or they don’t but one of the guys who ironically his dad was the one that kinda got us into syndications and helped us get our foot in the door where otherwise we probably would not have, he’s really taken it and run with it and made some connections of his own.

 

And he lives in the DFW area. So we get together a lot and he has some good connections. Yeah he’s actually brought some stuff to us to look at it. Not just me reaching out to people through podcasts or different networks.  Yeah, that’s cool. Like helping those guys, your buddies out.

 

Good thing. So now we’re getting into the reasoning between why you’re transitioning. As most things like real estate go up in price, you’re paying down your mortgage and your return on equity goes down because your loan to value goes down. Maybe you talk to me about the epiphany  of you kinda realizing this, what were the options to talk to that part of the story?

 

Yeah. As you can see there, my loan devalues, let’s just say 50- 60% on those things and a lot of that’s just trapped equity that it’s hard to get a line of credit on a rental properties, at least with a few that I’ve had, it’s have to really dig deep and look for it. So I haven’t had a ton of luck with that.

 

So I’ve just had to do a full refinance on ones that make sense. But aside from having the trapped equity in there that I think I could better utilize in a syndication, get a better return with, no headache, no liability, which is another thing that we’ve really thought about. It’s nice to be able to REFI these and pull out 50 or 60,000 every few years, but who knows when that may, maybe it goes the other way or maybe I ended up having a tenant slip and fall. Who knows?

 

So the idea is just that we’re getting away from this. Yeah, the joke in  the group is, can you tell me any good freaking reason why you want to own rental properties directly? In the past, like inefficiency of equity, return equity here. Another thing that a lot of people will come to is they’re trying to get the equity out right.

 

Then they may still want to own the properties. So they look into these refinances, you’re still talking about recourse debt and another option that comes up is all in one loan. I would say stay away from those generally. That’s just what, that’s just what the lenders want you to do.

 

Cause that’s cha-ching in their pocket. But they know their options you can solve  other than just getting out of the rental property owner. Yeah, no, I looked at those, I looked at a portfolio loan and a couple of the options didn’t seem too bad, but you and I talked in the group about the issue of what if I wanted to offload one property or, within that bundle, it would be a pain.

 

And then also on some of the leaders. Yeah. So what Eric’s talking about there is like, when these lenders make a loan with multiple properties, There’ll be a caveat where like you can’t, if you take one out the cell and you can’t do that, you have to unravel the entire loan, which is incredibly impractical.

 

This is why you need to actually meet people because you see a lot of these like crappy Facebook groups that are free. And then you just see like these vendors just poaching people and just writing comments here or there. And there’s no counter argument, that I’m seeing right now, or you don’t get the real, the cons of any.

 

See people, unsophisticated investors, just going through all these in one mode. So portfolio loans, they don’t realize this impracticality at this type of stuff. Yeah. That’s exactly right. The portfolio thing seemed good on paper from a high level initial conversation, several of the people I talked to said the points were high, so the fees to do it, the fees to unravel it.

 

So basically the reason for this is I’m going to have forever manage these properties. And over time it may make sense, but I just think the liability part is something I don’t want. I don’t want the headache, the lifestyle isn’t that great because I go out of town to work for work, and I constantly find myself running by a property to look at something or do something.

 

And just not a lifestyle, whereas if I sell them and let’s say I can pull out a million and a half by selling them over the next year to two. I think that’s a better use of the money for sure. You’re not a bigger pocket bro anymore. You have kids and responsibilities now.

 

Yeah. No more. I’m not cool doing burgers or anything right now. So let’s talk about the 1031 thing. Cause I think you can’t have recently come to this. You must be saying, went through this kind of talk to us the whole like option of 10 31. So that’s all about it. Talk to me. Yeah. So we have a property just south of Austin that we used to live in.

 

It’s a nice town home. The market’s going a little crazy here. And so we would be able to sell and probably pull up 200- 250,000 or take it out of that walk away from it. And I started freaking out about the capital gains. So 1031 immediately came to my head and I started thinking about it.

 

But then I started thinking about what property am I going to buy? What am I going to do? Raw land is a small apartment complex. That’s overpriced right now and another headache and its own. I talked to some people in the group and yeah. They pointed out something. I ha I didn’t even know, because up until last year or even this year, we didn’t have any suspended losses that you can deal with.

 

Once I actually learned how that works and what would really happen based on their experience doing the same thing, it opened my eyes to not having to do a 1031 and be under the gun to find a property in forty-five days, which good luck. And then. Yeah, if you think you can find a deal in 45 days, you’re the sucker that I want to sell to me.

 

And every, going back to different podcasts or different stories, the seller knows when you’re doing a 10 31, so they have all the leverage right away. Yeah, just after learning a little bit more about that, and maybe I know you have some articles on why not to do a 10 31, and I look those over, it just makes sense.

 

That if I’m going to go into syndication and I’m going to, and I have pals built up, why would I roll it into another dumpy property and then be in the same boat? Yeah, that’s really the game changer. So what Eric’s talking about is, as you guys know, one of the reasons why we can buy real estate, as we can deduct the price of the lack of the building improvement over 27 years with all these rentals.

 

So that’s cool. But it just takes freaking forever. But with syndications, if they do a cost segregation, you can deduct a third of the property improvement in the first year. This creates a boatload of cows, passive activity, losses that you don’t need to use. It just goes suspended. But those suspended, passive losses can we use when you finally sell these properties?

 

This is what I did back in 2017, when I still thought about seven rentals that year. I had a capital gain and you also get to include the depreciation recapture too. So you add those up. I had $200,000 of that, that I had to pay taxes on, but I had some, a hundred thousand dollars of passive losses that were suspended built up that are used to offset that which indicated Texas.

 

And which negated any reason for a 1031? Yeah. Did you know how much the 80 to 85 farm or something like? Did you see how many calls you have? We haven’t completed our 2020 return yet. So in 2020, probably won’t be I take that back. We did quite a few. We bought a lot of properties in 2020, cause some crazy deals are coming up, but a lot of them are remodeled.

 

So we did have some losses and our income phases this out over the 25,000 amount, you can take each. Yeah, a hundred hundred to $150,000, which is most people in our world. Yeah. Yeah. So the last, however many years I’ve been phased out of that. So just carrying those forward, but I don’t know off the top of my head.

 

But I do know in 2021, just based on the type of deals that we’re going in and the amount that we should be able to offset all of it. Yeah. So when you guys are looking to sell properties, you guys want to see how much passive activity losses you have suspended. This should be an 80 to 85 farm.

 

Don’t quote me on that, something like that. Your CPA should have that. And unfortunately that sometimes the CP doesn’t give that to you because when they don’t like to give it to you so that they know when you start asking for it, they know you’re shopping around for a new CPA, because there’s a lot of back and calculations that come on that form.

 

It’s a complicated sheet, but basically the right question to ask is how much suspended, passive activity loss. You have built up so you can offset your capital gains patient ratio with captures of what we sell. So what was your plan like? Like you kinda know that you’re not gonna do a 10 31, but like you still did you decide, like I’m going to sell two off this year or three off this year?

 

What was the rhythm or cadence to, yeah. Yeah. It’s just the way the market is. And I was doing the math just back at map and kind of that and realizing what the cashflow is on a couple of these properties that are, in that higher market value number, how many years it would take me to get to where I could if I just sold it on the return.

 

And then if I can just put that money back to work. In various things like that, it’s just, it was just dumb, to hang on to it and take, say 200 bucks a month or whatever. Yeah. It made sense in the beginning. But as your loan devalue went down as a property appreciating you got more equity.

 

Doesn’t make sense after a while. Yeah. And every time I refinance one, there’s five or 10,000 in fees. Which still lenders, they sweep it under the rug with a higher interest rate to make it a no fee, but they’re still paying for those friction costs. Yeah. So something like that, like you understand this pretty well and you’re able to make an educated guess on this, but like you right now, the game plan is to do the passive activity losses through bonus depreciation costs.

 

At some point in the next 2022 will be the last year that you get a hundred percent bonus depreciation and then it starts to step down a little bit for the next four years. I don’t think that this is going to be open for a while. They could extend it. They, I don’t think that they will is my guess, or I don’t know.

 

I just don’t think that sweet deals like this are going to stay open for me. That’s just the way I look at it. So something for you to think about, right? Like you gotta get it while the kids are good. So are you saying maybe liquidate now while the market is also red hot in this area and people are overpaying for everything and try to roll it into deals.

 

I’m not looking for him, like in terms of yeah, it’s a great time to sell right now. Seller’s market. I don’t, I try and personally, I don’t really try and have that sway what I would do. I look at it in terms of like tax offsetting the tax. Right now, when you go into a syndication and do a cost SEG, you’re getting a lot of bonus depreciation right now in 2022 and beyond, that’s going to be going down a little bit.

 

So you’re going to get less passive activity losses from these things in the beginning. So you need to keep that in the back of your head. What I would be doing if I wanted to sell these 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, like 12 properties, what I would be doing and be trying to do half this year and then the next year, and then maybe spill over.

 

I wouldn’t be assuming it was new to every year. No, because in two to three years, you’re not going to get as much passive losses from new deals. Like I would try to front load it. And this is where it makes it hard, right? Cause we don’t know what’s going to happen. We don’t know what Congress is going to extend the bonus appreciation thing.

 

We don’t know if they might, I don’t know. Who knows they might get better. And maybe you’ll be rewarded, but I don’t know, like this is where it’s just good to talk with people and understand how things it’s a fluid situation. The thing is it’s stagnant and you have to make the best call today.

 

Based on what is unknown known as in the future in terms of taxes. Yeah. And that’s what makes it so hard. It’s just not knowing. And I don’t want to kick myself in the foot for selling too early, too late, whatever. But yeah, but I think after a while you know what Congress will do, what things, what levers they do pull.

 

Like another great example. You don’t care about this. I don’t care about this now, but like the state tax, I think it’s low right now. I don’t really know exactly what it is because I don’t care. But like sometimes it floats to 20 plus million. Sometimes it’s infinite. Like it the boy goes up a doubt for that.

 

Just one thing, same thing with this stuff. I’m assuming bonus depreciation is the same phenomenon. Yeah. I think you’re right. It changes like what you’re talking about and you get different administrations and they’re trying to appeal to different groups. And do different things.

 

Like the whole land conservation easement thing. It’s a little bit difficult nowadays. There’ll be something else. And as empty people waiting to get full confidence in it, the window’s closing on you already or something like that. Yeah, yeah, I haven’t looked at those, but I know some of the people have, some of the other people and worked out pretty well for them.

 

But personally, I haven’t really dived into that. Yeah. Yeah. But what else? What else can we talk about here? Space, other sheets. The other sheets are pretty standard. This is just my personal tracker. And I added your summary because I liked it on the first page, this is just a tracker of things that we’ve gone in on that is also yours.

 

I actually don’t do this, I don’t know. I’m just, I don’t know. It’s kind of a conflict. Yeah. Honestly, it’s like a K-1 tracker and just seeing quickly, how much are we in this year? I may want to change it up a little bit and maybe add some information about the K-12 totals and different things.

 

Yeah. This one looks like you have like your passive losses and your returns all in the same thing. I keep mine separate, but however you want to do it. Yeah. I need to clean it up a little bit. Yeah. Hell of a lot better than working with a schedule a year, running out the properties. Yeah. Believe me. Cause I have to do this and tax season comes up and have to manage all that and fight taxes every year to pain. But yeah, on the properties, I think it’s just how to strategically offload those. That’s the, if it were me like me playing you’re just I would have mowed half of them this year and you’re going into deals right.

 

You’re picking it, the passive losses where you don’t help me. Your sales are getting passive losses. Of course, I think that goes without saying, but I would really try and get rid of the other half in the next couple of years, because at that point, the bonus you’re getting is going up, your windows going to close and getting the passive losses and then just to clean things up too.

 

Because it’s a pain. I still have two rentals. It’s not occupied, but it’s just out there such a pain. We were just on a vacation and I was dealing with things that were either distracting me or causing me to have to send some emails or make a few phone calls every day because of this not even work.

 

Yeah. What else do you want? One of the things I had written down, right now I work as a project manager, mostly real estate development is what I do just for a different product. We build wind and solar projects, and I have some friends that work in real estate development and they, I enjoy real estate quite a bit.

 

It’s fun for me, it’s engaging and challenging and all that stuff. So my question is, If you had a desire down the road to be a GP in some of these deals, aside from just being a key principle or, just bringing more money to the table, would it be advantageous to maybe switch careers, try to work for some of these developers?

 

Yes. I may take a pay hit initially, I’ve seen some of the bonuses that these guys get every now and then it’s pretty crazy on, maybe a new multi-family that sells. So do you. Do you think it would be wise to have all my investments in real estate that I’m hopefully relying on in five to seven years to really start being able, just to recycle and turn over, but also have my W2 in that world.

 

My goal is to move into that GP role in five to 10 years. Yeah. So it comes down to your goals. If an operator has a good track record, Like really, what the hell did they need you for? What do you do, and it comes down to the essence of what you do for the general partnership where you can either do several things.

 

You can find the deal, which ain’t going to happen. Talking to brokers, you’re not going to break people with yellow letters and find deals that just don’t work. What the grooves say, they want to sell you on $30,000 programs. It ain’t going to happen. Could it happen perhaps? That’s why these guys make the programs the way they are. So they go find a thousand suckers to run through brick walls and one or two of those guys make it like, it’s you who gave me it’s possible, but here’s where it’s I don’t know if that’d be a good use of your time. Because you make a pretty damn good salary as it is.

 

Yeah. And it’s a good industry to be in right now in general, signing on debt, being a key principle or putting money down on hard money. That’s another option, right? But you’d really need a net worth of over 3 million to make more sense to do that. And you’ll get there. They want to do that in the future.

 

Signing your name, on some loans could pick you up substantial money. You know what I mean? It’s essentially money, 30 to a hundred grand possibly. Just for doing that. But it’s all equity. The other things that generally. Get used in a general partnership if you are doing work right?

 

So are you putting in sweat equity and this possibly you might be able to do, but then you ask the question. If you’re investing with a reputable operator, they should have all these systems and teams in place. What the heck do they need you for? Like the only people that want sweat equity from people are people.

 

I haven’t got a track record together. And you’re not coming on the ground floor. And that kind of, maybe I put the question back at you. Are you coming? Are you okay? Working with somebody who was in startup mode that could very well flounder. If that’s the case, then you have a shot, but if you’re working with somebody reputable you don’t need cooks.

 

And the kid cooks more in the kitchen. Yeah. And that makes the concern that you would have to start at the bottom and either work your way up and then start over, or you have to go to a risky startup that you’re putting a lot of trust in. And, but let’s just go with that one, you’re like, all right. I like doing this stuff. It is fun to me. I like this cowboy type of attitude. I want to see what I can do. Then it comes down to. All right. Make sure you don’t sign on debt for number one. Hey, don’t put your whole family’s estate on the line, but is it, then you look at your salary, right?

 

Like what you’re doing right now, is it that hard? Is it worth you making three, four times this 10 years down the road? I don’t know. And then that, and then I, as your family office guy is going to ask you, amen. Which we’re going to get you the four and a half million dollars that kind of, that upended me off the finish line, I guess we’re going to get you there.

 

And, by the time you’re 45-50. Do you want more? Yeah. I dunno. Go into my current job and if I like it, I probably work 35- 40 hours a week. And then I have some weeks where honestly, there’s just not much going on. And I work from home, freedom to travel, work from vacation kind of thing.

 

Cush job, to be honest. So it is hard to leave. Maybe the better play there is just to roll with it and find ways to either increase my income in other ways. Maybe different businesses that my wife and I, since she’s really into that, starting those up and just keep rolling this money in offload these assets, that’ll free uptake.

 

Just the same, I don’t know, a million dollars. And just keep going and on good deals with good operators and then look up in five or 10 years and beat it at that mark. Yeah. And get to that mark. And you don’t need to go find operators. You can just do like an IUL type of product and put it into an incredibly brain dead mode and cash flow.

 

And I don’t know those, the reason why you got here is not because you have that attitude that you want to coast, but like you can coast. And I know it goes against everything. Everybody’s told you, everybody’s telling you, you need to work harder to get to the next person.

 

But like I’m telling you, you’re going to get to a point where it doesn’t matter if you have four and a half million dollars or $10 million net worth, it doesn’t matter. But I think that’s where the fulfillment piece comes in. Like maybe you can carve to start to think about this and what do you guys really want to do for the last 30 years, 40 years?

 

Yeah. And whenever we go out to dinner, my wife and I, and we were talking non-business even though we somehow circumvent back to that circle back to it, but yeah, exactly. Of course. And we find ourselves thinking about what we are doing all this for? Why are we dealing with rentals?

 

And, Starting a business to try and make a little money kind of thing. And it comes back to, we don’t need that 10 or $20 million net worth at the end. We just don’t want to have to worry about things, if we want to go to Europe for a couple of months and hang out, we can do that. And eventually our kids are gonna get older and move out and they’ll be fine.

 

So what are we going to do with our net worth in 10 or 15 years? I think the answer is yes. Whatever we want right or fulfills us at that time. Some guys have a 503C kind of thing they want to do or whatever, and maybe that’s down the road. But I think right now it’s just having options on the table and not being forced to like golden handcuffs and work for a W2.

 

And this is all uncharted territory. Most people spend their whole life to get to one and a half million dollars that they get there. And there, it’s game over already. They’re already old. It seems really morbid, but there really isn’t a life after you achieved that number that you’re looking for, which you’re already there for.

 

So you better start thinking about it. Yeah. You hit on it earlier. Relax, go enjoy yourself. Go by that Ford Raptor you want? Yeah, I did order something. Yeah. Very cool. Thanks. Enjoy it a little bit or otherwise, what’s it all worth and or why do it, why are we putting ourselves through second?

 

Heartache and stress sometimes if we’re not going to cut out, enjoy the fruits of your labor. Yeah. And you’ve got a couple of kids and from what I notice not notice, but statistically 90% of wealth needs the families right. In two to three generations. And maybe it’s because most of the time people are putting their pedals to bed, 50-60 years old, then they get to one and a half million dollars and they don’t have time to teach the next generation. The next generation has already gotten through the college educated system and they haven’t taught, how do they build wealth? You have an opportunity to actually teach the next generation because you have the bandwidth to do it.

 

Yeah. And that’s important to us, my wife, I mentioned she was a teacher and she realized after a few years in that system, after spending four years of school to go be a teacher, she was going to be working. Forever for $50,000 a year. It was crazy and no matter how good she was or not, she just worked, there was a lot of negativity with all the other teachers that she worked with about not liking their job.

 

And the older ones were burned out, just trying to get to that 20 year retirement mark. And it was kinda sad, honestly. I don’t want our kids to think, go to school to be a teacher because my grandma was a teacher who went to school to do something right. Yeah, you enjoy it, but also you can utilize it to build your own wealth, right?

 

Yeah. Maybe it’s maybe it’s like a thing of, like they say, you’re never in balance. You’re always out of balance. You’re just focusing on different time things at different periods. You already buckled down in your twenties and thirties. I’m getting this net worth thing.

 

Maybe take us a step back to a season in life where you focus on teaching the next generation, which you can always come back to. If you ever wanted to do that GP thing in the future, or make some kind of more lifestyle business or something that’s fun. And I think that’s what I’m getting at.

 

There’s everybody, there’s something that resonates with somebody like that you want to do, maybe you’d make a dog farm or something like that. I don’t know. Or like a farm. No honey company, I don’t know. There’s something that you’d like to do or like the wine tours or, yeah, no, that’s a pretty fun business.

 

We get to go right off drinking wine all over the place, so it’s not too bad. But yeah, there’s definitely things out there that I would just enjoy. They just don’t bring in the salary, down the road or not even down the road, but shortly I’ve, we’ve talked about just selling some of these properties.

 

A little bit of money and just leaving my job. Because I can always go back and work in renewable energy and do what I do. I don’t think I’ll have a problem with that. You can run hers from anywhere. Cause she has employees that kind of run it. She only works five or 10 hours a week and just takes the kids five, six years old and go spend six months overseas or whatever, and just hang out with them and enjoy that time.

 

I think we’ll be able to do it. Like you said, offloading some of these assets that we’ve worked hard to acquire to low cost spaces that we’ve gotten fortunate on appreciation and investing it wisely. Don’t just put it in your bank account. Do you have any models that have a net worth of four to 10 million that you feel have gotten it?

 

Because I don’t. And I think the people who are very visible are the people that are like those serial entrepreneurs that just keep going more and more. It’s the quiet people that kind of got off the freeway. Yeah, no. Like you said, the ones that you see are the loud ones that are making all the headlines or whatever, every now and then I’ll run across somebody, whether it’s a landowner that I deal with on a project who 56 years old made a few smart moves when they were younger.

 

And I’m trying to catch them in between fishing trips or vacations, and they’re just joined life. But the people we know. The people we buy these apartments from they’re typically in the 10, $20 million plus range. And they’re the one dying with the property on their deathbed. As they sign up for the paper.

 

What I’ve learned is I don’t want to be in that position. Yeah. It seems like a few of them, whenever we’re talking about who the sellers are, it’s a widow or widower and they’re just offloading it and, they, and they’ve worked to manage it on their own, painting walls or whatever they’re doing for the last week.

 

It’s always the widow, like the wife right back then. And that’s why my list is like, at some point. Stop investing at deals that just go completely passive, like an IUL product. Cause I empathize like they’re panicking, right? Their husband who ran the whole business, the real estate apartment is gone.

 

They’re just confused. You don’t know what to do. Because they’re rich, but they can’t get it out. They don’t know what to do. Yeah. That’s a scary thing. Yeah, no. Yeah. Yeah. Aside from really getting in the weeds on financials and everything. We like podcasts that talk more about philosophical things and banking and books over kind of stoicism and things like that.

 

Cause it kinda opens your eyes to there’s more than just trying to just continually make money for whatever reason. You don’t know why, but you’re just trying to increase your bank account. So yeah, you don’t want to be at the end of your life and thinking about it. I wish I had gotten to 50 million instead of my 40 million, But that’s where it’s hard because since I’ve been 18 working all the time the goal is to get there.

 

And then when you start getting on this cruise control, like we were talking about it the other day is things are easy right now, honestly, we’re rolling into apartment deals and yes, none of them have gone full cycle yet, but I have faith in the people that we’ve given the money to, that they will.

 

And jobs are going well. We go on vacations when we want to. So things are going pretty smooth. It’s nice. Yeah. Cool. Any other last pondering questions you want to talk about? Or a good, no, I wrote some stuff down, but I think we covered it, yeah. Just thinking about how to offload these properties and hopefully, it might be a little bit of a headache for a couple years, but.

 

Planning ahead, like we talked about, and then hopefully I don’t get in a situation where I have, I don’t think there will be a lack of deals coming around. That’s one of the things that made me a little nervous is deal flow, but I think. I think there will be plenty of opportunities.

 

They seem to come up once you start networking, and that’s how I met you. I think I heard you on a podcast or, and then a couple others. And I just finally got to the point where I would email you guys and say, Hey, what’s up? I’m interested in learning about what you do and going towards that passive side.

 

And then honestly, everyone, I reached out to the three or four people that we’ve invested with who have all been really cool and No, it wasn’t just there’s some imaginary person on a podcast kind of thing. Have you guys done the IBC stuff infinite  banking? Yeah. So I set mine up with a guardian and I did it. It’s a 50,000 policy and I already use it. I took a loan out against it shortly after and when I’m on a deal and then I repaid it whenever we had some money coming in from something else.

 

So yeah, I had it set up and rolling, and then I’m doing a HELOC on my primary. Cool. So what I would, how long have you been doing that? Thus far? Yeah. Four or five months. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, maybe in the next year or two especially before you leave your day job, right? Because that’s what they’re insuring and enshrining or salary.

 

We’ll Maxwell, max up things out, try and get up to 200, 250,000 a year. So just open new policies, you mean? Yeah. Layer them on top of each other. You’re still in the beginning, so you’re getting used to what the heck 50,000 is, feels like for a year. Same thing I did when I first started, but I would just go big with that.

 

It’ll be so nice to have a million dollars in equity. Yeah, no, it’s it took me a little bit to wrap my head around, I’ve heard it on people talk about it and I was dumb and not doing it earlier, but yeah, now that I wrap my head around the simple interest part in the loan. Yeah.

 

It’s super easy and it’s pretty sweet. Yeah. I’m looking at doing one for my wife, but one question since she does not have a duty to how do they qualify income? Just federal tax. My wife’s a teacher too. So that’s the thing you get to maybe talk about offline, but technically it’s supposed to like, it’s supposed to be on like your salary, right?

 

So no more salary cannot do it. This is One of the common questions we get from like these hackers, they’re always trying to optimize a situation. Oh, I’m gonna get all my kids because they’re younger. Or the cost of insurance. I’m like, yeah, it’s going to be cheaper, but you can’t get Jack from it.

 

Because they don’t make any salary. And it’s kinda like that whole it’s like a clickbait YouTube videos oh, you can pay your kids. They don’t have to pay taxes. You can only pay them like four grand. Who cares? Who cares? If you save 20% of four grand, it’s nothing.

 

Yeah. Yeah. But you gotta look at the limits on there’s different auditing, but yeah. Talk to you, talk to the IBC guy that we got and then, but it gets yours first, right? And up yours to two 50 per year, then worry about your wife. But I don’t know. I argue that maybe once you fill up yours, you don’t even eat one.

 

Yeah. Yeah. So tell me the logic behind that. Cause I’ve expressed that to her that we didn’t really need it for her. Cause if something were to happen to her we’d be fine. You’ll be fine. You’ll be okay. Other than the pure fact that if she passed away, you would need some, have some money to, John, your sorrow and tears.

 

You’ll be fine. So I wouldn’t, you don’t really eat that in my opinion, unless you want that. That’d be the only reason why you’d want to put it on. Yeah. And that’s what that was. My thing only happens to me, and if people listening right now think that’s not right.

 

You’re missing the whole point in his infinite banking thing. It’s not for death payout or doing it for the liquidity part of this. Yeah, no, that’s true. Just to, yeah, not for that benefit. It’s just a perk. I used to sell it on it. Yeah. Whatever you gotta do, but if that’s, if you want that death payout, if something happened to her.

 

Get term-life on her, in my opinion, just to keep things. So I keep it simple, right? I have two policies for myself and I’m like just two log-ins and then sick to have a third one. It’s kind of a pain, and if you did two 50 for five, six years, you already have a million dollars of liquidity in there.

 

Shoot. Do you think you are more right? I think, and I talk about this bucket system, right? Like you’ve already filled up a few bucks. Now the next bucket is this infinite banking. Once you get like a million dollars in that thing, that’s when we start to talk about the IUL type product. And I’m sure we’ll talk in person about this and other, we have other people going down this path too, but I haven’t really figured out the feel for it. It depends on again, what your goals are, right. If all you want is two and a half million dollars. And then you want to put it in cruise control.

 

Cool with you. But we may have somebody in the group that wants $7 million net worth. Then they go to priest’s control. So two differences, it depends what your goals are and when you want to get off the freeway, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I realize this very early on that, like my spouse does not care one bit about anything I do one bit.

 

It’s just. I like wondering what the little baby should wear. I honestly don’t care. So like amplifiers, right? What things should we get? I don’t care. I don’t mean I care, but I don’t, I’m not the person who asks, we delegate things. We’re not like one of those families.

 

Yeah. We’re the same way. Yeah. She handles a lot of the stuff like that. And then I handle all the bills, finances, all that fun stuff. So I thought hard about this. And I was like if I died, maybe I would have her talk to certain people like yourself. And Even if she did talk to you for an hour and talk to 20 other people that I trust, you’re not going to get it, she’s not going to get it.

 

That’s not her thing. She’s not like that. So how do we set her up? So she doesn’t fail. And to me, there’s no way that they’re going to be able to decide, oh, should I go a hundred grand into this deal with this person? It seems simple because we live and breathe it. But for somebody coming in and coal, it’s very difficult and we have some people in the group.

 

They have no background in real estate investing and they don’t need to, but they need to have at least the interests, which is what makes them start to learn. But if you have no interests, then that’s what the IUL products are for. Yeah. And that goes back to rental properties. What am I going to do with those?

 

When I’m 70 years old and have to say, I never went down this passive role path and I have a hundred Reynolds and then something happens to me. You have two older ones. If my kids have no interest in it, they’re just wasting away. And then, yeah, that’s the worst. Whereas what you’re talking about, she doesn’t have to deal with that stress.

 

It’s a login to life policy, whatever, everything’s taken care of. I think she has an interest in real estate. She likes seeing, but she has no idea. And whenever I tell her, Hey, we’re going to go in on this deal. And Alabama, she’s oh, cool. That’s it. Yeah. That’s all.

 

So she probably doesn’t have an interest in it. She just, I want to make it easier for her and not set up something that’s complicated to unravel and do down the road whenever either something happens or we just don’t want to do it. Yeah. Yeah. But to get it to that point, you make less yield when you get it to that IUL point.

 

So you have to squeeze it to get to that number. You get there. But, going back to the IBC is one cool thing. I realized I never realized whenever I hear people talk about this two 50, $250,000 policy, a hundred thousand that, you can pay that in a rears on your rider, you can catch up, which is what really sold me on it.

 

After talking to the person who sent mine. It yeah. Cause you, you freak out, right? Because you’re like, oh shit. What if I can’t make my two 15’s? Yeah. But yeah, some of them are, yeah. Some of them are more flexible than others. That’s why I like this guardian one because it’s one year off, you can skip a year in a way.

 

Yeah. Yeah. That’s what I like. That’s why at first I was like, I’m going to do 15,000, 20,000, that’s safe. But then I was talking to some others in the group. Yeah. It wasn’t like they were selling me on it. They just told me what they’re doing and why it made a lot of sense.

 

And it depends who you are if you’re just a salary guy, then it’s one thing. But if you’re a salary guy plus performance bonus or your business entrepreneur  then it’s a different thing. For those people, I would say go with the bigger one because you’re going to right size it up into it.

 

You set a goal and you’re going to hit it. Yeah  other than that, man, things are going good. IBCs, they’re getting out of the mentality that I need to retire by accumulating 50 rental properties and dealing with C class tenants all over the place. Changing the mindset of going more towards lifestyle than just hustle. Yeah, we wrapped it up here. If you guys liked this and you guys want to do a free call.

 

You gotta put you on YouTube land and the podcast. I don’t know, maybe you guys like that, but let me know where I was looking for some folks. Cause it seems like you guys like these types of things, cause there’s always, you see the path based on net worth where people are in a journey and you know this is a step ahead of you. But yeah thanks for listening guys. Check out the website. We have all these guides. I think the one that would pertain to this would be simplepassivecashflow.com/banking for the IBC stuff, and then simplepassivecashflow.com/syndication for the syndication stuff.  Okay guys, we’ll see you guys next time. Thanks Lane.

 

Coaching Call – Accredited Investor/Pilot | Military Retirement | Infinite Banking

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Now, today’s podcast. We’re going to be doing a coaching call with an accredited investor. These guys seem to always, really like these because everybody we’re all the same at the table. All good savers work hard. Pay too much taxes and I want to get financial freedom safer and easier. If you guys want to sign up for the next one and kind of put yourself out there, we can make a fake name for you.

 

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And at least we’ll send you the personal financial sheet worksheet so you can outline your entire personal financial world on that sheet. Before we get going, I just want to thank everybody for buying the book, leaving a review, my book, The Journey to Simple Passive Cashflow on Amazon, or becoming an Amazon bestseller.

 

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But anyway, if you just for you podcast listeners, if you guys want to get a free electronic copy. Or better yet I sat down and I read the entire freaking book and I did it in every chapter and I interjected some extra things in there for you guys to serve a special edition. If you want to get that, it’s free at simplepassivecashflow.com/book. If you have any friends, feel free to share the link to it’s a podcast exclusive. Thanks again, join the club and here’s the show.

 

Hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. Today. We have another coaching call with an accredited investor, Nick, who is going to be talking a lot about a lot of things. Maybe taking money out of his retirement account. We’ll start digging into it.  If you guys haven’t checked out, the website has a lot of resources on there for free.

 

Turnkey buyers syndication investors and I think one thing that’s going to be pertinent today is, are probably gonna be talking about retirement funds and what to do with that. Maybe it’s not even an option for you. Check out the info page at simplepassivecashflow.com/QRP for all my thoughts and ideas regarding that subject.

 

Hey Nick,  Thanks for jumping on. Why don’t  you give people a little bit of context for yourself as a kind of scroll down your personal financial sheet. If those are listening to the podcast, you can check this out on the YouTube channel too. Hey Lane. Thanks for having me on. A little bit about myself.

 

I’m a straight W2 worker. I’m an airline pilot. But also part-time, I’m in the military and international guard. So I’m making most of my money, just the hard way trading time for money.  So a little bit about myself, my family married, I’ve got three young kids. So that’s taken a lot of my time and trying to figure out how I can realize my investing goals and plans for retirement while not completely ignoring her nor my kids.

 

It’s a pretty big factor for me. And when I’m trying to figure out what to do next for my investments. Tell us a little bit about the military. Like what’s your path out of that? I think there’s a lot of military investing podcasts out there at platforms, a lot of those are for the enlisted dudes.

 

The guys whose network is under a hundred, $200,000, but you move the officer route in your definitely years outside of the military. Maybe talk about the path and where you came today because you also have a civilian job too. Yeah. So I’m a little bit different  so my dad was enlisted.

 

I actually did a direct commission to become an air force pilot. And so I spent 12 years in the active duty air force.  Just flying around the world and traveling, living all over the mainland and in Hawaii spent a lot of time overseas and in Germany, in Afghanistan.

 

So I was able to build up a little bit of my net worth just because I was on the road a lot of my pay was Tax-free which is nice. And that’s one of the big advantages that our military has. It’s a way for the government to limit the retirement pay that we receive.

 

So they classify some of our benefits, and that we get paid as a housing allowance or. A cost of living allowance or allowance for sustenance. Essentially what that does, is it classifies a good chunk? Sometimes when we live in high cost of living areas, sometimes that costs our pay is maybe 40% tax-free, which is huge.

 

It really lowers our AGI. But the reason why they do that is because when they pay us our retirement they pay us a percentage based on our base pay. And they don’t want to pay certain people or hire certain service members higher amounts just because they live in a high cost of living area such as California or Hawaii and so on.

 

So I built and I just visited. Just as an officer through 12 years of active duty. And then I realized that I was just working way too much. And the air national guard was a way for me to continue my service to not, I’m gonna say throw away, but to lose all my years of active duty service but keep them and keep building on them to build toward 20 years and qualify for a military retirement.

 

So I made that change at the 12 year point. Joined the airlines because it offered a much better quality of life. It’s a pretty common path for military pilots. When they see the light, they see this job that offers half the month off or more for a lot more pay and a lot less headache because you don’t have to deal with the bureaucracy and management in the airlines.

 

So a lot of guys in my shoes make that jump.  But they still stay in like reserve status, or international guard. I hate to sound like a commercial, but it’s nice for guardsmen. We can jump back in, do our service once a month and two weeks a year and still keep accumulating points towards retirement.

 

And then in my situation, it’s nice that when there’s an economic downturn in my civilian job, Might not be doing well. It might be threatening for a Lowe’s or, and other industries might be layoffs. Having the military as a fallback is nice because I can work full time.

 

And in certain situations when there’s opportunities available and can replace my income, if I get, if I take a hit on the civilian side, I’ve heard that the big perk of doing that is like, The military will pay for your kid’s college or something like that too? Or is that, is there something like that for sure?

 

Yeah. It’s called the post 9/11 GI bill. And you have to do, I want to say six years of service or something like that in the military. And they’ll give four years of college for you or when you can give it to your spouse, you can give it to your kids. You can spread it.

 

Between multiple kids. That’s what I’ve done.  And it’s, if you’re doing in-state, it’s really nice in-state school. If you’re doing a private institution, it’s huge because they’re, they cover the entire amount if you’re going to NYU or something like that, but they can offer, they can cover a big chunk, but they also cover a housing allowance basically a classified and the, you get the same rate as a.

 

Staff Sergeant a mid man enlisted Amber would get a housing allowance while you’re going to school. So in high cost of living areas like the West coast, you can really squeeze out a lot of benefit from the GI bill. So it’s definitely something that a lot of guys sign up for, at least on the endless side to get that free college.

 

 Is that kind of what makes up, like why you still stay in it? Cause it’s kinda mind numbing work, right? Yeah. I mean it’s so the carrot at the end is probably the easy answer. Yeah, I want that 20 year retirement because it’s a pension guaranteed by the US government.

 

And if I am certain, if you do 20 years of active service all at once you can start collecting immediately. So some of my active duty friends can start collecting maybe at 38 and then they can start a whole new career while they’re receiving a multi thousand dollar pension every month. But there’s a lot of yeah.

 

In satisfaction in inservice and doing something for the country and doing something for the community. And in my case, being in the air national guard, if there’s a disaster and natural disaster or something like that, the international guard is, who gets called first. And then,  a lot of times, when something bad happens in your community, you want to help out and you want to do something.

 

If you’re a cop, if you’re a policeman or a fireman, you’re going to be on the front lines and helping out. But a lot of people, they don’t have a way to contribute rather than donate to the red cross. If you’re an air national guard, the national guard, army national guard, you’re gonna be called up,  almost guaranteed.

 

And you’re going to be doing something to help the community, to alleviate the pain and suffering that’s going on. So I think that has a lot to do with it. I get an opportunity to leave to  help out my unit and help out fellow airmen and there’s a lot of gratification that comes with that that I don’t get in the civilian job where if I’m flying my airline, I just show up. And it’s like driving the bus where I just go and enjoy my time off and go work out, eat good food at informed places, there’s not much. So it was just the balance, trying to, not, have a lot of gratification from your employment, but not get burned out and, want to pull your hair out cause you’re coming out crazy from the pace of the work demands.

 

I think you got to get that you got two jobs and if one goes down, you’re diversified both ways. So let’s dig into the numbers here, your net worth brought a million bucks, essentially an accredited investor  salary and wages about 15,000 a month. W what does your spouse do? Which is that, or is that primarily you. Yeah, that’s all for me. My wife used to work a little bit when she could but due to COVID, she’s not really, she’s not doing anything.

 

I would like her to work at some point, but my kids are, my youngest is three. They’re just a handful trying to chase them all around with all their activities. There’s not a lot of free time. For her and my job’s pretty demanding, so it’s nice that my wife can just stay home and take care of the household and make sure that the ship is running right.

 

And everyone’s on time to where they need to be considered. Go ahead. Which is actually like an ideal strategy for if you ever wanted to do real estate professional status too. But what is her capacity for earning? What if she were to go back to a full-time day job? Where was she?  She’s been out of the workforce for a long time.

 

So it would be hard for her to jump in and make a large salary. And then that’s why we just focused on it. Me as the breadwinner, they, and she’ll just not just, but it’s a huge job at home to take care of the kids, but who had a division of labor, as you would say it for now while the kids are young when the kids are in school, when they’re all in school, we’ve talked about looking at.

 

Maybe doing real estate professional status, trying to figure out if we can pick up some rental property to manage and to  realize the unlock, all those passive losses. But I think we’re still a couple of years down that route. And I just don’t, I don’t think I could make quite enough money to make it work worth the squeeze.

 

As far as annual income, I think I will,  in a couple years. So the timing might just work out where I’ll be in a couple of years, I’ll be in a high enough tax bracket where I can use real estate professional status. And then my wife might have the time and bandwidth to take on some of that work outside the home.

 

Yeah. So let’s unpack that for folks. Nick’s kinda got a good handle on the as, as soon as he says that, his spouse doesn’t stay at home, doesn’t make as much money as him, which is, I dunno, I see path half. I see. Sometimes it’s two doctors and it’s Oh goodness, like neither you’d need to just go to work.

 

Or you make so much that you guys just have to go to work. But in these situations it’s a little lopsided.  You start thinking, Hey, maybe one of you guys can be a real estate professional. Of course they’re going to need a, you can’t have a full-time job. You’ve got to have 750 hours of active participation and there’s some fine print in there. Obviously, what that allows you to do is take your passive activity losses that you get via bonus depreciation from some of these larger deals and offset that ordinary income category.

 

But as Nick is keen to acknowledge they make about a hundred and, under 200 grand a year AGI wise, it really is. As we say in Hawaii, it’s Poho. It doesn’t make too much sense unless their AGI was maybe a little higher over 300, $350,000. Cause that’s when you really get that savings tax savings by bringing that lower.

 

Bringing your AGI lower, but right now, they don’t pay too much taxes. They’re not in the danger zone or the red zone for taxes. So it is an art form, and these tax brackets changed throughout the years. And I guess, Nick, how would your income go up? You would increase the civilian islet.

 

Yeah, it’s essentially another point on my taxes with the military. We have the FCRA service Service members, civil relief act or something like that. I can’t remember what it stands for a CRA, but it allows military members to retain their state of residence that they had before or their permanent, what they plan to have as a state of residence.

 

Independent of whatever, wherever they’re working on, full-time active duty with porters, which I’m on right now. There’s a couple of States out there that don’t charge state income tax. So it’s a nice advantage for military members to obtain Residency in one of those States and not have to pay state income tax.

 

So I got that benefit there, but talking about the pers perspective increase in pay, but do with the S the airline industry. For pilots, we just get paid on a negotiated scale or whatever the union MDC can get from the company. And so we know what we’re going to get paid based on what plane that we fly and what the position, whether we’re in the captain or first officer seat.

 

And if we just assume normal growth of the industry and. Those pilots have to retire at age 65. It’s mandated by the FAA, the government.  There’s going to be movement ahead of me. And we’re also, I didn’t bring it up. Sorry that we are. Seat position and airplane that we fly in is determined by our seniority, which is strictly by date of hire.

 

And we move up in seniority as people at the top retire or get medically disqualified or leave for whatever reason. And so I can project, in a couple years I should be able to be. Move up to a captain seat, captain position and where my pay PayScale will increase dramatically.

 

Because it’s like that, essentially that first officer makes like half of what the captain makes. Not exactly, but just, for round numbers, it’s like that or lives at stake, essentially, right? Yeah. Bigger claims more lives. So let me, before I forget you mentioned the, I think the thing where you can go so on military orders, I think it also applies to civilians working for the government overseas.

 

We actually have another guy in the family office, a Honda mastermind that you’re also a part of sh remind me to connect you guys, but. I think that’s what they do. And they’ve made their residents to be in Washington or something like that is what they conveniently selected. Washington has no state tax.

 

Yeah, you guys should probably put your guys’ heads together on that. I don’t know where you would want to live either Florida or Washington, those are the one of the ideal States I would think. But  yeah, I know a lot of people that are Washington residents for sure. Yeah, I don’t work for the government, but yeah.

 

Yeah. Something, yeah. Remind me again. I’ll make that connection for you. A lot of cool stuff in the film that people are doing, or you might have to buy a house up there, just buy a crappy house. I think that’s what they did, but it’s worth it right to shelter. The state taxes. Yeah, whatever we can do and not pay taxes the legal way.

 

I’m all for it. Yeah. So if your income does double, that’ll put you in over $330,000 AGI. So then that would definitely bring the real estate professional status into play potentially.  Living in Hawaii, maybe do a short term rental, something that’s fun. Start to get, I just planted the seeds now because a lot of this takes years to really implement.

 

Especially, if you’re doing like a short-term rental, you guys aren’t going to do it right away and you’re not going to do it. It’s gotta be your spouse’s project. So maybe start thinking of the fun idea, having a rental property now that you guys actively manage  could be fun. They would like it.

 

And I think maybe it shows the kids like, look, people are paying us to live here. It’s like the feedback loop is a lot better than. Boring rentals or syndication deals where you get paid on a quarterly roll up. They don’t really, kids don’t understand that type of stuff  but they understand when that Ching sound comes on the app, that’s money in the bank in a week.

 

 So just some thoughts there and then living expenses. Is this what people and kids spend a month? It was, yeah. It adds up on all the kids’ activities and they need stuff. And he, new shoes are really growing. I feel like you buy it, you buy something and next month it doesn’t fit them anymore.

 

 Yeah. What do you guys pay for rent? Like our housing for it 4,000 which is kinda high, but here we get a lot of benefits. Yeah. And you guys, I want to highlight you guys’ rent, right? These are the guys doing it the right way. Tell us a little bit like how you did that before we met. I think, yeah.

 

I, and I had this discussion a lot with my friends who they know I live in a nice area close to. Close to the ocean. I’m paying for having that quality of life the way I see it. And they questioned Oh, why don’t you buy Y like you’re throwing so much money away and rent, and then I just respond, Hey, do the numbers like, look at what.

 

You know how much you’re paying in your mortgage and, including maintenance, CapEx includes all the utilities. I’ll include all the little things they have to pay for if you’re paying for yard, service, bug service, that just everything. And the time you have to also count for the time that you have to spend, if something breaks that you gotta deal with finding a contractor or fixing it yourself.

 

And I do the math all the time and try to compare it like, okay, I can buy a place and spend all this money, or I can rent. And because where I live, everybody wants to own, and we’re willing to pay for and pay the astronomical prices.  The rents are cheap because there’s a lot of people that have these houses and sometimes they just buy them to lock up capital I’m guessing and, they’re fine with just making the appreciation in the long run.

 

They don’t care if they’re losing money on it. The rents are pretty low. To live in the same house, same area and own, I think I would have to pay, comparing all expenses, I would have to pay thousands of dollars more per month.

 

And so I just, it’s just not to mention the quarter million dollar down payment. That you got to lock down. Yeah. Just last year I had a fridge that went out and an oven, a range that went out and there in Kobe, you couldn’t find them. I went to the appliance store, one of the appliance stores to see what they had because our landlord let us pick out the replacement and they had two in stock and they were like that.

 

The high end, 4,000 or not 4,000 early things, but $2,500 model ones. And you’re just like, man, this is nuts. But I didn’t have to deal with it. I was like, Hey, this is all I see. And, let me know what you find. And they’re probably like, don’t Sue me, Nick, you don’t have a refrigerator.  That’s exactly what it is, right? People. For, from them, from the lay person, what kind of idiot? Rents? People like you and me, right? That’s why we get such a good deal on it. And then the quarter quantifies the quarter million dollars sitting there as debt equity.

 

But it’s not a, but it’s not hard, it’s not, I’m not saying I’m going to rent forever. If it flips and it’s Cheaper to own then I’m going to go buy a house, tomorrow  I don’t, I’m not tied to, I’m not married to a certain strategy, rent or own I’ll do whatever makes more sense.

 

What will save me money in the long run, and then maybe at some point I’ll decide, I want some stability. I don’t want to, I don’t want to move in, because my landlords. Decide to sell or whatever I made, maybe I’ll buy, but hopefully I’ll be in a much better position where I won’t care about making as much money anymore.

 

Yeah. I think you get to that. You just get used to it. And you enjoy the freedom. If your landlord makes you move well, you just pay a couple thousand dollars to get Island movers to move your stuff for you. And you go on a little vacation, come back and here you’re in a brand new place that you don’t have to upkeep again.

 

 But I’ve thought about that. When do you, when the heck do you buy, right?  I don’t know, maybe in Hawaii, how the quality of houses, don’t really,  there’s a big gap between $1.5 million and below and something a lot bigger and nicer.  I’m more of that delayed gratification type of guy.

 

And just, if I’m gonna buy a house, I’m gonna buy something like 400. Formula and above do something like that. And as a means to just lock up the equity, once I max out my infinite banking thing, but that’s a while from now, I think, definitely.  I’m not a good, hard and fast rule guy, but I think people shouldn’t buy their house until their net worth is really into a few million dollars.

 

Which is crazy, right? Because most of your neighbors, their net worth is barely a quarter million, but they own 1.1, $1.5 million houses within what they’re doing out there. Yeah. I also think people’s needs change too. What you want might be different 10 years from now, right? More people live in your house right here.

 

Exactly. And maybe you want to send them to school somewhere else or get them into another school district. You have the ability to move around, maybe have to,  something I’ve thought about. I was like, why not have houses that you rent one near their school? One? I don’t know. Just, these are the ideas that you have when you think outside the box, you’re going to have to spend all your time commuting.

 

It’s especially with a short-term rental option where you can make the house, do something for you and while you’re not in it. There you go. Buy that house in Honolulu that you live in and then work it out on the weekend. They don’t guarantee a middle run out guarantee. Yeah. And then you can justify having somebody clean the house for you two times a week with you with that, your house cleaner.

 

That’s actually not a bad idea. Looks crazy. A lot of crazy families, but all right, so let’s dig in so I’m going to go into your liquidity and kind of the goal of this exercise is like, all right, what, where are we going to invest first? Or what you’ve already been investing in syndication deals, but where’s the next money coming from?

 

This is the deployment plan.  Maybe take, you’ve probably got a good idea. What was your plan of attack here? You got about 180 in liquidity. Some, a lot of checking most in the cryptos stable coin accounts. You’ve got some. Retirement plans, Roth IRAs 401ks five 29 is about 370 in there.  But yeah, so if one or two deals come up, where are you going to take the money from?

 

What’s your plan? So the easy way is just take it out of the, some of the checking. Some I haven’t checked in. Obviously I have to keep some of it just for living expenses. What is your what’s your how much do you want to keep in the checking just as your emergency fund?

 

Probably about 25,000, just to cover, cause I’m not worried about not having money. It’s more, I just don’t want to, I got everything automated, so I don’t want to check the balance because they just. Cool too much money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it’s very common, right?

 

We all got this stuff automated. So when it messes up, it’s a huge freaking train wreck. And not now you’ve got five, like NSF fees piling up and you don’t know who to call first to ask for forgiveness. Yeah, I get you. Yeah. Most, I don’t know what your guys’ credit card bills are, but. I have a lot of business expenses.

 

So mine sometimes can be like 20 grand or more a month, but I’m all I play the points game. Ops and I haven’t done it in a little while, but I’ll sign up for credit cards and get the bonus offer and rack up 50 to a hundred thousand points for airline miles or whatever, and then turn the next card.

 

I just don’t have any time to do it right now, but I’ve done that before, but not now, but I’ve gotten to the point now where if I buy anything, I want to use a credit card because I want to get the points because it’s free money. I know I’m going to pay down all the balances every month.

 

And I get so much protection from the credit card issuer as far as extended warranties and the charged record section in case I get ripped off. So  I try not to use cash for anything. The 2%, at least the double cash cards or I use the American express one’s for 2% and then the 5% swans for gas groceries, those categories.

 

Yeah, you’re like a lot of us in our group. We kinda, it’s fun in a way. It is a little bit of a waste of time.  I’m sure you probably draw the line at the manufacturer spend level, right? You’re not buying $10,000 of mint quarters, sending it to your account, walking it over to the bank of Hawaii and depositing it.

 

Or I used to do that. Okay. That makes sense. We used to buy, I used to buy like the special edition dollar coins from the US mint and then I’d have $10,000. $1 coins in my house. I’m like, okay, I got to use this. So I’ll go to Home Depot and I’ll buy you know how every time you go to Home Depot, I used to be a homeowner, but so every time I’d go, it’d be a hundred dollars.

 

And I use the self-checkout cause I don’t want to wait in line for the cashier. So I scan my things and then I get to pay and I’m literally putting one coin in at a time. Into the machine. I’ve got like this sack of coins and the people behind me think I’m crazy. And then, what are you buying?

 

I’m really quarters. Yeah. And the receipt counts every coin as a separate line item. So I get this long, like Walgreens, a CVS kind of receipt at the end. I don’t play those games anymore. Yeah. But no, it’s very common. I think a lot of us in the foam, we did. Craft like that in our twenties, maybe early thirties for the late bloomers.

 

Sometimes I still do that stuff, but yeah, definitely draw the line at, like a lot of the kids these days, they do the manufacturer spin or are they the last one? I heard that they’ll buy a really expensive laptop, like a five, $6,000 laptop from Apple. They’ll pay a hundred bucks with a debit card and then they’ll use the same, like they’re using a.

 

Visa debit card. They’re using visa credit cards to pay the manufacturer. So the, so it’s like a split tenor purchase. And then the next day and the return, the laptop would put it on that a hundred dollars debit card. I think that’s a little unethical in my opinion. I don’t know.

 

But that’s just what people do, that’s I don’t know. Yeah, you got all the time in the world. If only if you’re single and you have no kids, you could just do that all day long. You’d be at the mall, buying yourself all of the free Java juices and. That type of doing that type of stuff all day long, all day.

 

But yeah, I would agree, maybe drain the stout to 20, if you can. And then you’re planning. How long have you been doing like the stable coin and then the crypto investing? So you’ve got 30 grand and the stable coin and a hundred grand and more like Bitcoin Ethereum, the mainstays. Yeah. And I, it was at an accident because my plan was put it on to a stable point and maybe dabble just like 10, 20 grand in Bitcoin, just, just is more as play money, not as a serious investment, but then  I saw that the, some of the exchanges I was trying to use were charging a lot of fees for the stable coin because obviously they want to get, they want to get paid. And then I realized, Oh, I can buy Bitcoin. Instead it and not have to pay the fees and then I can just exchange it to trade it for a stable coin.

 

 I did that. I started doing that last month, bought Bitcoin and Ethereum and then it took off and I’m like, Oh man. Now how much did you put in there originally? Oh, I want to say I want to say Maybe like Haiti or something like that. So it’s gone up 10, 20 grand.

 

Like I can’t, I don’t remember exactly. When I started, I stopped trying to watch it. Yeah.It’s just kinda crazy. It’s fun but it’s not a good long-term strategy. I don’t think I’ll just keep some and just cause it’s fun just to speculate, but.

 

I’m not going to buy any more. I want to try it. I think I want to try to move some of it out into a real estate syndication, or maybe move it into a stable coin. I don’t know. It’s just hard, right? Because there’s so much hype and on those cryptocurrencies, everybody’s excited, I think.

 

And it’s going to go to the moon and I think it’s a nice time now. Not that it’s like that. It’s definitely past the early stages, but the nice thing I think is that the institutions have signed off on it and they’re involved. So that brings another layer of stability to this whole thing.  But my thing is keep it between one and 10%, 1% of your lower net worth 10%, if you’re higher net worth or above.

 

I think that’s  my goal post personally. Maybe I’d play around with 1% at this point. But it takes bandwidth to  learn it and.  That’s what we’re talking about in our group, right? It’s, you don’t need to know anything, a father, which is dangerous too.

 

I do. Th the speculative coins they’re no, they’re the rational part of my brain tells me it’s just dumb, right? There’s nothing back in it. It’s not like real estate where real estate actually can be cash flow and asset but the stable coin, I a little bit, because the Eagles are so good.

 

At one point I was getting 12% on my stable point, which is a dollar peg cryptocurrency and that’s, and it’s super liquid. I can just sell it whenever I want. So it’s just a man. It’s hard. There’s a little bit of risk there in that. I don’t know if the exchange could get hacked or whatever.

 

And they still have insurance too. It’s all new and uncharted territory I think. Yeah.  During the block five one, I think they give me like 8.6% on the stable coin, but you’re doing the other one then. Was it? Yeah. Celsius is at one point it was paying 12 for the stable point.

 

Now it’s around 10 and a half. Nexo pays pretty well also for their stable coin interest. I don’t know how they do it, but I probably should understand a little bit. Yeah. My understanding of Blockfi is probably the most secure of ’em right there. More the most. Financially like solvent when they’re there, they have insurance more than the others.

 

To me, I was like I don’t know about this stuff. I’m just going to go with the biggest one. I don’t care about making 10, 12% as opposed to 8.6 is good enough. As long as they don’t lose the whole damn thing. Yeah. That’s why I stayed with that one.  So Let’s say a deal comes up 50 grand.

 

Are you taking it from here? Or where are you taking it from? Or this retirement fund? So I would meet, I kinda think that the Mark, I don’t know, the market scares me. Yeah. More than the crypto. Okay. Yeah. So I’ve got a 401k That I want to pull money from. It’s the government ‘s called TSP thrift savings plan.

 

And I don’t like how I don’t. Their performance is not, has not been as good as my civilian 401k and my IRA, which has just been in a target retirement fidelity fund. And so I would like to pull money out of my TSP 401k account. But, some things considering it’s a Roth account.

 

So a majority of the balance should already have its taxes paid. So I’ll just have to pay the taxes on the gains. But I’m going to have to pay a 10% penalty over the entire amount. Did you do the care act thing last year? I maximized that and I did that for my wife too. And so I was a huge benefit.

 

I’m glad you mentioned that there was.  It was like a get out of jail free card. I hope they do something like that again, this year. I think they will. I hear more stimulus plans coming and I’m sure they’ll stuff that in there somewhere, then it’s getting confusing for the average person to understand it at this point.

 

There’s multiple of those. Get out of free jail cards. I think that’s the government never, it never makes things simple. So this TSP is Roth, then you’ve already paid the taxes on it. So this is where there’s really no path. There’s an art form. What I’ll normally say to people is like investor liquidity, except you’re investing in freaking crypto, which defies gravity.

 

 But then I, at that point, I usually listen to what you said. I feel I get a sense of fear for this stuff. I agree with you, take this stuff out, right? Just if nothing, for quality of life and peace of mind, because I would agree with you. I think all these stocks and I mean their all time highs, just basically because of four or $5 trillion pumped into the system this last year.

 

 The thing is, if I’m going to pay the taxes on it, I’m probably going to be in a higher tax bracket, in a couple of years. So take my medicine. Now. It won’t be as bad as later. Just something I’m thinking about. And I think because as we said earlier, your income is going to go up aggressively in the next three to five years, I would.

 

The plan I would recommend for you is to take as much out to get right up to that higher tax bracket. I think it’s about $330,000. AGI is the magic number. I think you want to shoot for it every single year. So that means leaking out.  Maybe you’re at one 50 now, so that’s 180 every year.

 

Yeah. I don’t know if that’s the meth, that’s the perfect number, but that’s the idea of post tax money or if your tax, bill stacks, the one, the non Roth stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I think that’s, so this is your 401k stuff, like 170 grand. So you should knock that out next year, Ben, right?

 

Yeah. Understanding it right. Yeah. I’d like to and a lot of my pay right now is not taxed on my W2 job. There’s a little bit more space there. And also, yeah,  you got a lot of investible funds, so maybe the real plan I would suggest is like a plan on leaking this one 70 out in two years.

 

Okay. So go or maybe 50 in three years. There’s really? No. Cause you can take, if you get in trouble and, or not really in trouble, but if there’s like the after, do you have to deal three deals coming on in a row, just take it out of the Roth or you already paid the taxes on it, but have this, you’re on the three, four year plan to take this out.

 

And then this is being your get out of jail card or not bill bail you out in case there’s a lot of deal flow. But what are you doing? You’re doing that like an infinite banking thing. I think you should do that, man. Yeah, I’ve got some quotes and I’m trying to figure out how much I want to put as far as for the writer to do the additions.

 

But the way it was explained to me is that I should try to get a big policy now, and then I don’t want to put in the max that’s okay. As long as I’m putting in the minimum for the, of course the insurance salesman is going to say that. Yeah. I would like to, I’m learning a lot. Yeah. More about it.

 

And I’m still trying to figure out the strategy. I get it, like you have this cash value in there and then you want to buy a car and you just pull it out and you have a lot of benefits. Like you can not have you can self-insure and I have, comprehensive inclusion insurance and, get your insurance rates down.

 

 And then for deals, I can just. But 50 grand into my cash policy and then take the 50 grand now as a loan and invest in a deal and then just have that money out and we recapitalize it. But  yeah, I don’t know. I definitely am. Think it’s something I want to do. I just, I’m just trying to figure out a day-to-day strategy on using it.

 

I would disagree with this insurance salesman and I would say the first one you want to do is a little smaller. So you can understand the field for this thing and then size up to the one that you want to do maybe a year or a few years later. And just layered on top of the current one there, the reason why the salesman wants to do it is because most Americans are lazy and once they do something, they’re likely not going to do something again, as they continue to binge on Netflix and whatnot. So that’s why the insurance sells my hair. They want to get paid. So they want to load you up with the biggest thing right off the bat. 

 

I think for you personally you have a lot of liquidity lying around, I don’t know how you, how quickly you want to deploy this into deals where you’re at, you’ve already had some deals. Maybe plan on deploying, one a quarter at most, maybe. I dunno, but.  Nothing crazy. So like you’re at a good, good, a good steady state you’ve been investing for about a year now and to alternative assets. So what I mean. I’m kind, kinda like the fortune teller here Hey, tell me a little bit about yourself before I read your Palm or I like real estate.

 

I like being in real estate. I want to be as good as I can. How much were you thinking about putting into your life? The infinite banking every year for the five or six years. I was thinking something like 40 grand a year. I’m just throwing it out there, but it’s not really paced on anything other than I can just, I know I can hit that.

 

I can hit that number without it. I like that number. So here’s one, one general rule.  What I’ll do is I’ll take this net cash flow, which you’re making, you’re able to put away 80 grand a year and I get one third of that. Or I come up with that real just trust me. But one third of that is like 30 grand, right?

 

Yeah. That’s I would say that’s the low end for you, but because you have a lot of liquidity lying around here and you already telling me, you want to take this out and you have 180 here, I would push that a little higher. So I like how your initial. Guests were 40 grand higher than that. 30 grand.

 

But maybe if you want to go that cool. Like I said, you can always size up and put another one on top of that. I think at the bare minimum through 30 or 40 a year. Okay. But I think I don’t know. Maybe we just do 50, just do a round number. If you want to do it, you could do a hundred, I think, but I would rather you guys size into this stuff and get us.

 

Get a feel for this thing. Because there are downsides of it. The downside is it’s heavy fees at the beginning, right? So for the lower net worth guys with no liquidity who are listening, don’t do this. You’re not like Nick, but I don’t know. Maybe munch on that. Yeah. The other thing I was considering is the guaranteed return of 4%, that was going to go away at some point.

 

Because rates have been so low for a long time  motivating me to get a policy now, but I guess it would take a while to make that change. Yeah, I don’t understand. I don’t. I hear you guys talking about that to me. That’s just kind of noise because you’re not doing it for the rate of return anyway, where there goes down to two from four, I don’t care.

 

You don’t care, like all this other money, other places, right? This is just a place to start. Yeah.  If that rate goes down, wouldn’t the rates of borrowing it. Go down to. One would assume. Yeah, you’re right. You’re right. It doesn’t matter. It’s the way I’m looking at it, but I dunno, don’t let it, I think you should do this thing, but don’t let that’s just more sales tactics to create urgency is what I see.

 

Yeah. Yeah.  Everybody’s got to get theirs. Yeah. Yeah. No nobody does anything unless there’s some sense of urgency, even smart people, you got to trick them to do the right thing,  but yeah, I would do it. I don’t know. Yeah, like the 40 grand, I think you’re good with that. I really think if you wanted to wholeheartedly trust me, I would say, just do a hundred and you’re gonna take the money right back out and invest in any way.

 

But if you just wanted to set it and forget it, we’ll go with 30, 40 a year.  Yeah, cause what you’ll do is you’ll drain out your liquidity and you’ll place it right back to where it was essentially, because there’s going to be a couple years, at least where you’re going to be really fat with money and you’re.

 

And another reason why I’m saying that higher number, like a hundred grand a year  your income is going to be greatly increasing too, which is why I think you can be more aggressive with it. But yeah, get that done man, in the next six months. I’m pretty close. Like I did the medical exam and just knocked that out. And so I think I’m just to wait for the underwriter to do their thing and then they’ll come back to me with paperwork.

 

But yeah, the only other thing,  if you’ve got any other topics, the only other thing like me personally, and not saying that you should do this. But I think that’s why you have people around you that understand the stuff that you can have, these types of conversations, whether you and ICI or agree I will, if it were me, I would feel uncomfortable with it.

 

And a theory. Bitcoin or non-stable coin. That’s a lot of money there. What I would be doing is I would be sliding half of this and to a stable coin. And then I don’t know, that’s a big number. That’s 10% of your net worth into something new where you could like the news. If you lost half of it, that’d be 50 grand. You would feel like crap. That’s just how I quantify it in my head. I want to know what’s the magic number where like you lost 25 grand in this maybe.

 

And you’re like I’m going to go to the beach and not worry about it. So if that’s the case, then head your number down and your position down. I don’t know. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with this amount, but you can do what you want. You’re also going this, what? This will probably double and you’ll just rub it in my face and buy me dinner one day and say, don’t worry.

 

There’s a. 10,000 more dinners that I could buy you because I didn’t listen to what you said, crypto devil in the next six months. But that’s just how I would do it. I don’t know. Yeah. And your religion at this point, the way people believe in leaving cryptocurrency replacing the dollar or replacing not the dollar.

 

The dollar too, but I guess a more logical one would be gold as a store of wealth.  I’m coming around a little bit. I don’t fully believe in it, but I definitely use it. It was a haphazard way to invest that money. It wasn’t, I didn’t intentionally go into that big on it. Yeah. Yeah. What would you do if these are your currents and vacation holdings, if this was like triple right.

 

What would you do at that point? And would you just throw more into that or, I think that’s what you need to think where this is going. This is all, everything. Is an interim solution. So we get to the end game, but the end game never gets there because then ideally these deals should cash out and give you more money at that point.

 

But this it’s just, but then I think that at that point you get more and more ballsy with the stuff like once your net worth goes to $3 million, I think then this amount of money is appropriate right there. Like I said, For the guys who are in the lower net, net worth spectrum, I think a smaller position in crypto is appropriate, but as your net worth increases, yeah.

 

If you want to go to 5%, 10%, I think that I’m just thinking of him from a theoretical perspective, right? Like you want something very volatile, high risk, high reward.  It greatly increases as your net worth increases. I think. As a percentage, it’s just, I would look at it, but then again, you don’t get broke if you don’t take some chances

 

It’s hard. I fully believe both sides of the coin. Half of me thinks man, that is stupid to be having all that money in Bitcoin. It’s not real. It’s real, but it’s not based. It’s not, it. It’s not cash flowing. No assets. It’s just soft, pure speculation. I just look at the game. Look at how people believe in it.

 

Like they think it’s like the second coming of Christ. Yeah. This is a conversation I had multiple times last year when we’re doing that Chase Creek development deal, where I was like you guys who don’t have a good job, like if back then people were worried about their day jobs, right?

 

Especially the oil and gas guys. And I was like, if you have to worry about where your money is coming from, maybe this isn’t the deal to go into, maybe you’re looking for more of a cash flow deal, but then if they’re, they’re. But then I was like, how else are you going to get above, accredited status and beyond.

 

And if you don’t take some chances now, so I don’t know if those are two ends of the spectrum, make your own decision. Good luck. I definitely think you got to, you have to make some calculations. Risks and figure out where we’re willing to accept it. Cause if you go set no risks, it’s I dunno, you think about the guys who are scared to put money into anything and they have it all in their savings account, getting 0.5% high interest savings.

 

It’s wow that’s the worst thing that you could do. That’s just so you get nowhere with that.  But then before you buy crypto and it’s completely opposite of the spectrum no. What I think is wrong, there’s only one rule that’s certain here is to use the analogy of say we were like gambling in Vegas.

 

We need to have a certain set point on where to take the overflow of profits to at some point, because if we keep playing the game in the Las Vegas casino, we’re going to lose. That’s how the odds are paid. Now, maybe crypto isn’t the same type of game, but I think it’s prudent to like, maybe if this doubled.

 

The next six months, you have a pre plan to take some of that overflow into real hard assets. I think that’s the prudent thing to do. Like at least you set the terms, so you don’t get money drunk with all these returns. Cause in a way that might be what is happening here. You had a little nice 20% return, but that’s nothing like a lot of these kids have 10, 20, 30 X on their money.

 

Right now. But this stuff. Yeah, I, and I liked the strategy of having a diversification plan where certain assets, investment categories, you’re only going to have X amount of percent. And so crypto for me was 5% and I went way over that accidentally. And I, yeah I definitely see a lot of value in trying to.

 

Push that back down closer to 5% that might net worth and not go over more than over that. Because then I won’t cry at night if I use it. All right, you’re now you’re the, you’re up. You’re up on the house, but make sure you don’t lose, yeah. Cool. Yeah. We’ll wrap this up here.

 

If you guys like these, we have all these YouTube channels. And if you guys sign up for the club  there’s also a page with all these in order of networks. So you guys can see, find where you are in terms of net worth and start listing from there on and see what else is ahead of you guys.

 

Thanks Nick for putting yourself out there. I think a lot of people got some value out of this. If not, they’re just going to invest in crypto because they saw one guy do it. No, don’t do that. Don’t do that on my account, please. Financial advice. We’re here to get your own profession.

All right. Thanks guys. Okay. Thank you.

 

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