How to Structure a Syndication With Development?

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You figure out what your asset allocation or time horizons are, and money is money. Try to rent them out.

What do you think about the syndication and the laddering with the development at county line? Developments, I would personally go to more of a stabilized cash flowing asset, especially if you’re new to this type of world. You think of deals in terms of risk adjusted returns, right? Stabilize assets it’s like buying an existing lemonade stand with existing profit and loss statements.

You can see what it runs or development is a shot in the dark in a way. Technically, if you could build it, there’s more room for error, but you have to wait a lot longer to see the egg hatch. The way I did it and the way I preached general wealth building to people is start off with singles and basics.

And in the syndication, that is the more stabilized assets that give cash flow quickly and have lighter value add or in the rental property world for people under half a million dollars net worth , just go buy rental properties like how I did.

Yeah, I think in my situation though, I need to be a little bit more passive. I’m not going to go out and buy individual properties that’s what makes your multifamily deals attractive to me ‘coz I can be passive.

I just have to say it because something Dawn who was a young kid is going to listen to this podcast and then think they’re going to go on an apartment deal and they have no money. And so I have to say that, but yeah, if you’re an accredited investor, in my opinion, people joke about this all the time in my groups usually tell me any good reason.

To own a rental property, that in your name, the headache, the fact that you’re getting abused as a robot rental, that’s not get started with all this BRRRR stuff. Right? I think that general strategy is going into intermittent deals, spacing it out and just dollar cost averaging, same technique. They taught you with stock market investing.

So my biggest challenge now is just negotiating it with my spouse because the conventional way to invest is just through these 401ks and these other vessels to invest. I’ve got to convince her that this is going to pay off and be able to produce some passive income. But the current deal is two years lag.

You screwed yourself you shouldn’t have done that, man!

I screwed myself, but I think that county line project is going to be fun to watch to be a part of. This is why I’m going back to the 401k, because I think it’s a good strategy with Horton negotiating with her that it’s, if I want to retire early, let’s use some of my retirement and not really hit the family.

Which is just an emotional thing, right? Whether it’s retirement or money in your wallet, it’s all the money at the end of the day.

I think where people get gummed up, they emotionally feel like 401k Roth, IRA, that’s your retirement! And I even have sophisticated investors, earmarking things in their own mind that way too. So I get it. They think one is more long-term, one is more short term. But to me, it’s all the same. You figure out what your asset allocation or time horizons are and money is money.

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Today’s Real Estate Condition: Good or Bad?

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But in the commercial world, we haven’t had that big run up yet but you’ve seen rents rise the first half of 2021. It’s obvious what’s happening in cap rates are dropping. You’re having cap rate compression.

Try to rent them out.

And do you see the fluctuation or the opportunities to tailing off or increasing? What do you see as far as the market conditions?

Right now the getting’s good, right? Because in the residential market has gotten really overheated in my opinion because of low supply. I think demand has even gotten lower, but because supply has dropped so much, that’s what dictates the prices.

Which is very emotional driven and that’s why I don’t like residential properties. But in the commercial world, we haven’t had that big run-up yet, but you’ve seen rents rise the first half of 2021. It’s all completely obvious what’s happening. And cap rates are dropping. You have a cap rate compression, but it’s not to a place where your average internet investors like jumping into commercial properties quite yet.

Maybe this time next year, for sure. There always be deals because what makes for investment banks lend money at X and the cap rates are Y and there’s always a difference between X minus Y. There will always be a differential or always be a difference in then you apply leverage and that’s how you make yield.

Your big cap rates will always be making yielding more than interest rates. In a world where gravity works. I’m sure it could go backwards for a little bit. I don’t think it ever has, but that’s what makes the world run. I think what you’re getting to is like, “Hey, what if I wait”. If you wait the best time to do anything was yesterday, they always change.

Like for example, infinite banking, they always change the rules. Best time was yesterday, best time to buy another one was yesterday. It’s just constantly going to be that. You guys are just like making it tough for your guys. Just be prudent, stoic, and just constantly dollar cost average into stuff that makes sense.

And it’s difficult now because you’re getting started. But to me, that’s the outlook that you have. You don’t need to be like me and have a hundred percent of my stuff in alternative investments. That’s for sure. I totally respect if you want 20 to 50% into paper assets, that’s fine. But over time, the kind of the percentage definitely goes to the alternative assets size and look at, I seen as group tiger, 21, it’s all $10 million families and above all paper assets.

They don’t own like mutual funds and stuff like that.

I do think that we’ll always try to be conventional in some manner from our perspective, but I have a job to do and just convince my spouse that this is legit. And try to jump into one of these more conventional deals you do.

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How to Calculate Your Capital Gains and Depreciation Recapture? Why Not Do 1031 Exchanges?

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What’s up simple, passive cashflow. How is your first month going out to the job that you may or may not like? For some of you guys came down to Hawaii, drank the Kool-Aid at a whole bunch of cool people, and I’m still coming off that hive, still wearing the same shirt that I was wearing the whole weekend.

 

What’s going on?  7% inflation.  Some people will say that it’s really like 15%. If you don’t count all the changes, the last couple of decades where they call it, quote and unquote Hedonic inflation. If you take all that stuff out, really all you are talking about is 15% inflation. But either way, let’s just go with what the government tells us, because Hey, what they tell us must be right.

 

Now to put things in perspective, junk bonds, which are  essentially what they’re called junk bonds, are garbage borrowers and right now that’s being paid at a much lower rate than the pace of inflation. Let me say it again, junk bonds are making less than inflation right now, which says you better get your equity into assets that  at least keep pace with inflation.  Hopefully, you’re getting yourself into cashflowing ones. But if you got money in your home equity or rental properties, that’s just sitting there idle. The government’s taking their money in, and this is a sad thing that this is the way the government takes money from the poor or the middle class that aren’t able to get into good investments.

 

It’s the rich get richer, the poor get poorer and unfortunately, a lot of you folks drive to work or hold onto dear life, staying at home as much as possible working from home. High paid working professionals are the folks that are going to be having to pay for it. Anyway, we’re going to be talking about syndication stuff, mostly the 10 31 exchange.

 

Hopefully it’s going to help a lot of you investors out there. And remember we’re going to be sending out a secret HUI message because some of this stuff I can’t see in the podcast, for some reasons we’re going to be rolling some stuff out that is going to change that. But for now, if you want to get a hold of this 40 minutes secret HUI message, send an email that’s team@simplepassivecashflow.com before the end of the month, before we send it out, if you’re already in the club , you can join at simplepassivecashflow.com/club. You’ll be getting this video later on this month, but if not send team@simplepassivecashflow.com  subject line secret HUI message and I will be sure to get that out to you before the end of the month.  But for now, just enjoy the show.

This common question comes up quite often where they ask, Hey, can I do a 1031 exchange into a syndication deal? The answer is, yes you can, but it’s very impractical for you to do. You need to do what’s called a tenant in common or a TIC.

 

Most syndicators won’t want to touch you because it requires a lot of brain damage in terms of legal maneuvering unless you’re bringing in maybe one, two, $3 million or above it, ain’t going to happen. And I would ask why would you be wanting to do that in the first place with current bonus depreciation laws?

 

Again, my example, in 2017, I sold seven rentals and I had a quarter million dollar capital gain. It depreciates recapture, which sounds horrible, but I had maybe a few hundred thousand dollars at least some passive losses built up from going into deals prior that I just bought over and offset it one for one.

 

We’ll do a couple of examples. So this guy bought a property for under 600 grand. I don’t care what the loan is, that doesn’t matter, but they’re going to sell it for about $900,000, maybe even a million dollars. So the other question I asked is when did you buy it?

 

So we’re going to figure out what the capital gain and depreciation recapture is.  A lot of people think that they need a CPA to do this. This is a lot easier than designing a retaining wall, in my opinion. Of course, your CPA is going to need to bless the numbers at the end of the day, but this is essentially how you do it.

 

And so capital gain here, I’m just going to take $900,000 minus 600 minus some commissions in there. I’m looking at about a $250,000 capital gain but we also need to know what the depreciation recapture is and that’s why I asked the question, when did you buy it? He had it in 2012, which is about a decade ago.

 

Most residential properties depreciate over 27 years. So I’m just assuming there’s maybe a third of the weight through that depreciation. Of the $600,000 basis, maybe half of that is, I don’t know where this property has been. I’m assuming it’s a high price land area.

 

So the property improvement is lower at $300,000, let’s just say that the building improvement or less. So that’s where I came up with this depreciation recapture of 50 grand but maybe I’ll just be more conservative call it 75. So we’re looking at it. We add up the capital gain and capture, and that would be the 25 here.

 

So the goal here is get $325,000 of passive activity losses, at least. So you can wipe that out. This guy is smart. He’ll sell this property beginning part of next year so he has all of that year to build up passive activity losses. And I know in this particular case, this investor has already been investing and they probably have maybe a headstart on that.

 

Maybe they already have it already. I’m not quite sure what they’ve been investing in, maybe they went into several deals and they have already done that. I think this is found on the 82 84 form, but don’t quote me on this. Let’s go to your situation sir.  Just going through the process, maybe in the same similar fashion, what did you buy the property for originally?  Thanks for being a volunteer too.

 

Hi lane. Yeah. So my situation is that we had actually purchased this property in 2006 for 1.47 million and we’re selling it or we’re considering selling it now at the end of 2020, and somewhere between $3.7 to $4 million. We’ve done maybe about $120,000 worth of improvement in the house over that period of time. We’re just projecting out that the gain could be somewhere around 2.3, 2.4 million. 

 

So I’m going to go 4 million times 95% for 3.8  just do account first and commissions and then I’m going to subtract off a hundred grand off repairs cause supposedly that’s going to lower your basis a little bit. Let’s just call it 2.7.

 

About depreciation recapture, you’ve had this for quite a while. Let’s just call it two thirds of its service full 27 year life. Just to be simple. This is California again, or there’s this Silicon valley. Okay. Let’s just call it 600 grand is the server for life.

 

I  think you depreciated maybe two thirds of it. My math that I’m gonna be using out of the sky is 600 grand times two thirds. So that’s 396,000 let’s just call it $400,000, which appreciates recapture. So 0.4 plus 3.7 is 4.1million  of capital gain. A good problem is that my friend does a good job. That’s how investors are supposed to work right.

 

At the time we bought it, we thought we were crazy to buy something over a million dollars. But, as it turns out that it was a good investment and traditionally in the last year seems to.

 

Especially with the high end, going up more right during the pandemic. So the haves and have-nots kind of binary economy out there.

Your situation may warrant it and in my opinion so what’s bad about 1031  is when you’re going into the next deal, everybody knows you’re a sucker. They’re going to abuse you. You’re probably going to overpay by 5, 10%. If you don’t know that well, you’re probably the sucker in the room that doesn’t realize it. 

 

What if you do a dead river, is that a better strategy? 

 

All that does is essentially extend your timeline because with the 10 31 exchange, the hardest thing is the 45 days to identify the next property, which isn’t going to happen unless you’re buying the lukewarm crappy deals, where you’re not overpaying. For that example one, right? That guy was looking at $325,000 capital gains, appreciate recapture, a very different story than where you’re at. In my own opinion, I’ve seen investors invest a million dollars and get half a million plus of passive losses in a year.

 

So it’s not out of the question that somebody can deploy that money. I’ve seen people deploy two times that and get a million, $2 million of passive losses too, at the same time. But that might be a little more extreme. So if that’s the way you want to head with it you better get started now or get moving on this plan.

 

Therefore, I would say if you twisted my arm where this dotted line would be, I would say one to $2 million or greater. It might makes sense to do both, go into deals, get passive losses, to offset a portion of this 4 million depreciate gains and recapture, but it might make sense to do some of these more exotic strategies where you’re monetizing installments so it is just under scrutiny. Let’s talk about the 10 31, right? Another reason why I don’t like it is you’re putting all your eggs into one basket yet again. To me, I like the idea of having no more than 5% of your net worth to any one asset.

 

 Yeah.

 

 This is common with people with dentist practices, right? They started it with 50 grand. Now it’s worth 5 million. It’s on your scale for those people going to exit and end game monetize installments so where you push the sale 30 years into the future where the taxable burden isn’t anything, isn’t a bad way to play it.

 

I see. So you think some combination of maybe 1031 and also just investing in real estate where you can use the depreciation on those assets to offset the gain would be the best strategy? 

 

Yeah. Going back to your reverse 1031, all that does is extend your timeline out. But I think you first have to ask the question. Is this even something I want to do? Do I want to have all this liability on my hands? Do I want to take our debt out and get another property and have all my eggs in one basket? Maybe you don’t. Most people would say no. 

 

So if I were you would just keep the property and keep writing the appreciation? One option would be to just keep the property and then try to borrow money off of the property. 

 

That would be ideal in my opinion, get a heloc  or get a refinance the equity out and invest it, build up passive losses. Most people going into, on this scale would be going into a handful of deals every year at a hundred, $200,000 a piece. You’ll be passive activity losses, maybe a million, 2 million, 3 million so when you finally do sell your tax over and it’s way less.

 

I see, so you can build up. Basically use a heloc  build up, you hold a bunch of assets and then use the depreciation on those assets so when you finally sell this other property you can offset the gain. Okay, got it. 

 

Let’s just use that as strategy number one. There’s a whole bunch of combinations in the middle with a reverse or 10 31 or monetizing stock sale, or another option is a delayed sale trust, which is very similar. Where all these things are a tricky legal move where you put the asset into a trust and technically you don’t own it. You gotta do your due diligence on it but in a certain situation, it may make sense. 

 

Okay, got it.

 

Like I say, some of this stuff is like some risks for an audit and losing an audit that it may make sense to diversify yourself amongst different strategies. 

 

Let me ask these questions and maybe I can just outline what I would do. Do you want to own another property? 

 

One of the things I was thinking about doing was to diversify my real estate holdings and, right now I’m 90% invested in Silicon valley in a couple of cities and so the idea behind doing the 10 31 exchange was to see if you can take that  cash and sort of buy homes in different locations like Denver, Houston other areas that have a good combination of cashflow and appreciation. That was the strategy behind doing the 10 31 exchange. But as you point out, when you do the 10 31 you’re limited both in terms of time and in terms of  choice. That’s one of the drawbacks to doing it. 

 

But obviously  you acknowledged the drawbacks, but you’re a rich person. You can do what you want. You can buy a flying spaceship if you want. No one’s gonna say anything. You make your own decisions. Out of this $4 million bounty  do you want to take a million dollars to buy some real estate that you own directly by yourself? What was your vision for this $4 million boom? 

 

The idea was I was thinking, I have a $700,000 loan on the formula, it’s not that much. But I was thinking, take the 4 million and then buy maybe $8 million worth of real estate i n different locations, right? Diversify in all of these emerging markets. But doing that as part of a 10 31 exchange is probably very challenging because you have to know you have to have the boots on the ground.

 

You have to have connections in all these local markets. So that was the vision. This was to take the inherent wealth in the Bay area real estate and try to diversify it. Not knowing what’s going to happen in the future  in this local market. 

 

And then you become a remote landlord. It’ll work at 50%. Any idiot can cashflow it for 50% the value. Will it be a good investment? Where could you do better otherwise? Probably not, but let me be more clear. Do you have some kind of thing within you that you’re like, I want to hold on to X amount of properties by myself. I’m just trying to see where you are. 

 

I don’t have that particular vision. The only goal was can I pick this one property that has been great for appreciation over a 15 year cycle and really converted into a bunch of cashflow properties? 

 

You’re not like I want to, whether it’s a syndication in these X markets or as a passive LP partner, non managing member, or same markets, but you own a handful of properties in there. You don’t care one way or the other? 

 

Yeah I don’t care, Because my only goal is to achieve a cashflow vehicle. 

 

You mean you’re not one of these ego-driven guys that like getting off on things like owning a 16 all by themselves and like telling their friends. 

 

Thankfully not. 

 

Or maybe you learn that along the road. But I dunno if it were me, I’d kinda like to own, I see a lot of high net worth people owning like 50 units, a hundred units by themselves. But that’s a fraction of their total net worth. So just something to think about too. But that’s why I asked, I didn’t know what your vision is, like some people are like, I like the syndications. I like everything about it. What, I still want to have a quarter of my stuff in stuff I own.

 

Yeah, there’s some value to that in knowing that, Hey, this property has your name behind it, and you can know you can pass it on to your kids, which you could probably do with the syndication to the appropriate legal documents. But to me, I was just thinking, look, this is not my only house.

 

I have my primary residence and I have one other property. This particular property, how can I use it to diversify my real estate holdings throughout the country? But that may be an impractical thing to try to do in 45 days or, whatever the 10 31 exchange rule is. The other thing I was thinking about is, could you do an opportunity zone, but then at the end of that six or seven year cycle, you’re still hit with a capital gain, right?

 

With a little bit of a step up  and the basis.  

 

That’s not what I’m  not looking at. Look what you’re  doing. You’re going in as this is not your primary thing, right? You’re an amateur, no offense and you’re looking to go into these different markets and now you’re telling me you’re going to go into a crappy area that has designated opportunities. Oh, boy, this is just getting worse and worse.

 

An amateur in the hood now.  I’m just going to shoot him. Let me know what you think, but here’s what I would do. I would draw out the heloc  as much as I can and start investing, make a goal to invest a million the next six months to a year and sell this thing no earlier than January of next year.

 

That way you have that entire year to source passive losses and go into good deals, that makes sense. Now, if you’re slow, if it’s going a little bit slow, What I would do is I wouldn’t sell this property until the following year, January. So like 2023.  That way you have two entire years to build up 4 million of passive activity losses.

 

If you don’t get there, that’s no problem. You get to two and a half. That’s good enough. But you give yourself that long to make good sound decisions, spread out your capital so that when the deals finally do exit it’s not all hitting you at once and you’re in the same damn predicament that you’re in right now.

 

 I see. But if I have some liquidity now, even without the heloc , I could do some of those investments?  

 

Exactly. You got money all over the place under the couch cushion, but even better. In most cases, people don’t have too much money other than an equity in their rentals or their retirement funds. The more, the better. Like you gotta get moving on this, but you gotta make a decision first. 

 

This is really interesting. Cause I never actually ever thought  about using the passive depreciation on another property to offset the gain. I didn’t even think about that whole possibility.

 

 A couple of aha things that keep in mind, like in 2022 after this, the bonus depreciation kind of steps down 20%. But, I wouldn’t worry about it too much. It’s still pretty awesome even in 2024 beyond so this is all well within your window. Not all deals do a cost segregation and elect to do a hundred percent bonus appreciation cause it may not make sense all the time, but even with regular depreciation, pretty damn good. It’s going to chip away at this thing. 

 

That’s a really good point and I was thinking about selling this property three years ago. And at that time there was in the high twos and now the same areas towing the high threes.

 

And I was just like, at that time, I thought the high twos would be a lot and I was thinking about off loading it and then I thought about the transactional cost of selling it and what to do with the game from that. Then, having to go through this 1031 process. But now that it’s even higher then I was like, okay, let’s really think about doing it now, but now you’ve made me even rethink that.

 

What you have now is a substantial  amount of money. $2 million is nothing but four or $5 million plus of equity to be deployed elsewhere. That’s F-you money. That’s life changing money, right?  If I toss a coin and I made 500 grand, I wouldn’t care. I’d probably just keep it in there and lose it eventually. But if I made $5 million, then I’d take it out cause that changes my life significantly.  

 

Yeah. This is a great idea. Maybe this is something that I would consider then. Not selling it and then just taking the heloc  and trying to do the passive depreciation.

 

Other things to think about, not all deals are going to do cost segregation. I think I mentioned that, but trying to diversify over lots of deals. Maybe,  you just keep a million dollars back, throw in an infinite banking policy and then  you pay taxes on a million.

 

That’s not the end of the world in 2023, but maybe another thing to keep in mind and jot on your piece of paper is maybe you do some of these land conservation easements. Who the hell knows if it’s going to be around then.

 

Is that a trigger for an audit though? 

 

Oh yeah. That guy is but all the smart people do it. The smart people know who to work with. That’s why people  don’t pay that much taxes. Doctors who pay  less than 20% in taxes. They do, if you want to be like those people bring it on, there’s nothing wrong with it.

 

Just make sure that the people that you’re working with or dotting their I’s crossing their T’s, they have a healthy, legal budget. Nothing to be afraid of.  I always say like know the risk, go on eyes wide open. What you’re doing is you’re diversifying  over three strategies here, right?

 

You’re doing the cost segregation, that is all very legal at kosher. I really worry about that too much. The whole thing about going into one building that can beat up some, you can do a 10 31 exchange there too, but there’s risks with, going into the wrong investment and running it yourself as an amateur.

 

And then thirdly is like the land conservation easement, but if you’re backed into a corner with a half a million, a million dollar capital gain that you still haven’t mitigated, then, yeah, that’s the end of the world. 

 

These are really good. Is a family office thing that you have going on? Is it meant to help with situations like this? That’s what I was going to ask. 

 

Yeah. These situations are simple, right? This is the simple stuff we do all the time that you’ll learn is actually easy stuff after a while the value is with the people, right? Where do you go for those deals?  Charges change over time. But mostly, you’re at a point in your life where it’s more about the relationships with the right people. Very few people even talk about this stuff or know about it out there. I can tell already it will save you like 10 X at least what you pay for the initiation fee. 

 

Yeah, that’s what I was considering and, I think this has been a great discussion. 

 

Don’t pay it to the tax man, go and invest the money in the right places that eventually help pump the country.

 

Yeah absolutely. This is great food for thought and I really appreciate you helping me think through some of these strategies, because honestly for this sort of magnitude of the investment that I have had, I don’t have proportionally the right kind of advice. If you go to a financial advisor, like you go to a brokerage or a bank, real estate is like their blind spot. And they don’t know about all of these alternative investment strategies. 

 

They’re going to say it’s risky or it’s a scam, we’ll just say that’s because they don’t do it and that’s why they still have a job and they can’t make money off of it. 

 

 It’s very difficult, I think what service you’re providing is unique and it helps people that are in situations like this to think through what are the alternatives and what are the strategies. Then, I will definitely follow up with you and your associates in person, to figure out how I can be part of that family office.

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How to Vet a Deal with Jim Pfeifer

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Now on this podcast, we’re going to be talking to Jim Pfeiffer a lot of folks are going through the podcast circuit, getting to baseline, right? And I think everybody needs to spend about few months, maybe six months reading books, listen to podcasts, getting the basics down on your drive, to and from work.

Now at some point, you become, you top out, right? And once you get search at the point, need to search to build a community around you. This is what we’ve done here at simple passive cashflow is why we have the retreats. This is why we had the family office, Ohana mastermind, the higher level mastermind group for our accredited passive investors.

But Jim’s going to be talking about we’re gonna have a conversation about vetting deal flow, which I think is very pertinent to a lot of you investors out there. But before we get going with that interview wanted to share a little bit of what we’re working with here. Recently, our group proposed an alliance partnership, to absorb some deal flow from a group of investors that are farming a bunch of.

Let’s call them wholesale leads, very grassroots call-in people, motivated sellers just in mass. We started to look at the arrangement and the potential deals that would come from that and we politely declined no, and here it was the reasoning why. And the reason why we can attract this type of gravity to these types of opportunities is because our group that we do pipeline club we’ve acquired over a billion dollars of assets.

And there’s probably only a few people I know that aren’t on that institutional wall streets stage that have acquired a billion dollars assets under ownership. Not some nonsense where somebody’s been in an LP and a bunch of deals and trying to cherry pick the thousand unit deals, but like a really a billion dollars.

Most people they’re just screwing around with $200 million, $400 million of assets. We have a billion dollars of assets is about 7,000 plus units at this point. But the capital has come from our group over $120- $140 million thus far. Now one of these Daisy chain things where somebody brings in a billion dollars of $40 million capital raise and not being acquired $250 million building.

No, none of that. When we go into deal, we’re taking it over. But, going back to this opportunity to absorb this deal flow, a lot of those types of deals would have been very unvetted deals that it’s the opposite way where we’re heading. What I’m trying to portray and what I want you guys to understand the way this business works is a lot of the deals are controlled by brokers.

Multi-family apartments, commercial, retail, industrial, once you start to get into this bigger scale, it’s becomes on a scale where the small guy cannot compete. You want to keep running your little single family homes, that’s great, but you’re going to be competing with every single mom and pop investor there.

So the way we’ve always seen, as you have to swim upstream, you have to get to that the next best deal. A lot of the brokers there do actually doing their job as opposed in the residential world where these commercial agents, they’re the ones sending flowers to the widowed person who owns the property or building relationships with the families to get the listing so they can sell it to make their commission, but bring it to the top sellers or buyers out there such as us.

And a lot of these deals are just done off market because a lot of these brokers, they don’t really care whether they get 36 million versus 34 million. Really doesn’t mean much again, their commission base, right? It’s just percentage their biggest concern is they want to work with people who can close the deal and is closed, say a billion dollars of deals in the past.

Go figure. These are the types of deals where when you start to bu y deals from a certain seller, you can start to get the additional deal flow from that seller, because as we’ve seen, when you crack into this a treasure trove of seller, They typically all, maybe a handful of these large apartment buildings, which isn’t a bad way of going if you have that operational experience.

But one of the lessons learned I see from these large families is eventually as the saying goes, and I guess it’s not the same, but it’s backed by data or they say 90% of wealthiest families are two to three generations. Most times we’re buying from the folks that have just had it. Their parents, their grandparents had owned these properties, build the critical mass.

And at this point may not be the decaying, but at least the knowledge share and the motivation is decaying. And I’m sure at some point, if they don’t do their estate planning properly, the family will probably come back to earth. From this point, we buy their assets at a discount because they are distressed or they don’t know what it’s worth.

It’s not as valuable to them as it was the generation or two prior to them. But so going back to, what’s the difference between working with some other, these alternative deal flow, more grassroots calling up these guys are just bombarding with yellow letters, calling up sellers, t hat approach is just you start to work with people who are unsophisticated sellers than a lot of those deals fall apart.

There’s a lot of skeletons in the closet. There’s a lot of hair on that. Those types of deals where we specifically like to work in a buy box was very clean financials. There might be some hair on the deal, but at least we know about it as opposed to it’s just more of a riskier type of situation.

Similar to like b uying a deal off of a foreclosure where you don’t even get to visit the property. There’s just a lot of unknowns. Most times these deals, they just don’t pencil for even bridge financing and we’d prefer to go to bigger scale properties. Of course, there’s some deals out there. It was like $450,000 per unit and the average rents, I’m sure we’re not more than 2000, mid 2,000per unit.

I just don’t know how that deal works, think about it. Buying a $450,000 property that rents for $2,000. Oh wait. Maybe some of you guys have an inner California property and yeah. Making fun of you because you probably should unload that the numbers just don’t make sense in that type of stuff.

Especially if your net worth is under $4 or $5 million and as I always say always caveat is catching me doing this. You can do whatever you want. Once you have that much money, you can be in capital preservation. No one should fault me for buying a big primary residence after my network gets to a certain point, right?

After a certain scale become, what do you want to use the money for? But if you’re serious about getting your net worth from a million dollars to $5 to $10 million, there’s a certain way you have to invest and especially if investing for cashflow.

If you guys have any question on this email, the team@simplepassivecashflow.com. Book, a coaching call, where we record the call for other people’s benefit. But I want to get this dialogue out to you guys. And you want you guys to ask to start to ask the good questions. So we stopped skimming the surface, like a lot of podcasts out there, and we start to dig into this type of stuff.

And the only way we’re going to be doing that is through dialogue or unless you guys joined the investor club and come out to Hawaii and hang out with us and build a relationship. With that enjoy the interview and we’ll see you guys next time.

 

 

Hey folks today, we are going to be talking with another sophisticated investor who was also more of a passive investor, right? As you guys know, we don’t have gurus on this podcast because that’s just a waste of time and you guys are tired of all that nonsense as it is so I think of a couple of p recursors here.

Jim Pfeiffer, he’s from LeftField Investors and I think what I like about them is just not another real estate rookie group, where people are trying to get started as general partners and trying to fake it till they make it. It’s just passive investors like our community of passive investors. And the other thing is, we’re going to be just going through this organic conversation of, how does Jim look through deal offerings? I’ve always, started with the numbers myself.

I’m sure you guys have heard this a million times. You look at the reversion cap rate, rent increases per year, what are the economic occupancy as some of the big ones. A lot of this is outlined in the syndication ecourse. You guys can go pick it up on the website. I think it’s in the product section.

And if you guys try it out, you don’t like it, I’ll refund it for you. I’m confident they’re ain’t nothing better for a few hundred bucks for sure. But I’m probably going to take whatever Jim says here and add it to the course too. But I also being like I think this is like a good example of a way to interact with other investors, right?

Sometimes I can get to a point where I may or may not agree with Jim. But there’s something, if I can ask as a question investor of being inquisitive, I think there’s something there that I have a viewpoint that I can see. So I’m going to really try and model how you guys should act in terms of always having an open mind, always be learning, because not everything that Jim believes.

I believe that everything, I believe that Jim believes, but I think it’s cool when you can get two smart guys together and have a conversation about this type of stuff. So you guys are lucky, you guys are being able to be a fly on the wall, but welcome Jim. I appreciate you coming on.

Yeah, no problem. Thanks for having me. I’m excited to have a chat.

Quickly, give us a little background on like when you started investing and then what are you investing in these days? Maybe a little insight and how many deals you’re in just to give people quick back.

Sure. I’m on career number four. I won’t go into all the details, but I was a stock market, investor, mutual funds, all that stuff and my my last career before this, I was a financial advisor and that taught me a lot about money. And once I figured out how money worked, I no longer wanted to invest in the paper assets from the banks and financial institutions are pushing and I realized that real estate was where I wanted to be so I totally transitioned. I did the active stuff. I think like you Lane, I was into turnkey, single family homes, and I thought I’d build up a portfolio of those and then I realized that’s too slow.

I went into multi-family and bought some small multi-family and then I got tired of managing the property managers and then I discovered passive investing.

 

For the last four years I’ve been, investing passively I’m in probably over 40 deals. Over that time, some of them I’m all in, on my own and others, I use a company called tribe vest to do some group investing and that’s how I get into some more deals.

I’m in a lot of different asset classes because one of the things I believe in is diversification, not just by deal, but by market, by operator and by asset class. So I’m in multifamily, self storage, mobile homes some industrial stuff and a little bit of commercial.

Before we move on, since you have an insight into the financial planner world industry, for those of the people that are new to the group, and still haven’t really dispelled the wizard of Oz effect behind the curtain. Any insights there you can give, like how financial planners really work?

I think most of them are well-intentioned and they know their product. But that’s all they know, and those products are marketed to them by the companies that they work for and they’re paid to sell those products. I found that at the end of my financial advising career, mostly I always believed that I wanted to recommend to my clients the same things I was doing.

And I was investing in real estate and speculating in the paper assets of the stock market. I had a hard time being true to myself because I one, a financial advisor they won’t recommend real estate because they’re not licensed for it. They also won’t recommend real estate because they don’t get paid for it.

And the third reason they won’t recommend it is because they don’t know anything about it. They’re stuck in their world, which is paper assets that financial institutions are pushing toward to them. What I learned, you need to find a good financial advisor. You need someone who is recommended by somebody else.

And who understands that you’re going to be doing real estate and that they need to support that and they need to, put their commission second and serving you first. And that’s hard to find someone like that. But when you find someone like that, then you can still have them help you with insurance or even your 401k or any of that, any of this stuff that you want to be in that world. But they’ll also support your real estate by making sure that your other assets are working together with you real estate, but that’s a hard person to find.

I personally don’t have any paper assets, but as a man who’s in, seeing both worlds, do you own any paper assets anymore or is it all alternatives?

It’s moving more alternative and I still have some paper assets because I have several different retirement accounts and so I still keep a little bit in there. But mostly when I do anything, that’s the paper assets, stock market. I want it to be something that’s paying dividends and part of the reason it’s more liquid.

So I think having some investments in the market might make sense because that stuff I can get in and out of if I need to and most of the real estate, it’s so illiquid that’s why I still have a small foot in the door. We call the alternative stuff left field because my former financial advising colleagues would say I’m way out in left field when I told them about the alternative stuff that I do. And some of our people, we call them center fielders where they have 50- 50 in left field and 50% in the market but I’m probably 90% in left field.

Yeah I’m a hundred percent left-field and this is my personality. The reason I asked is I always try and ask like smart people, what they’re doing and I get it. Like some people they want to play more right field or center field. If you want to call it, I’m cool with that. I think I’ll eventually come back to center field. Once my net worth hits a certain magic number, probably eight figures and above. I want to start to do IUL that type of stuff. At this point in time, that’s where I’m at, but it’s cool to hear your input and I think we are aligned with that.

Absolutely.

Maybe we’ll keep it in terms of like multifamily investing, because that’s just what I know the most. You grab a pitch deck or, like how are you vetting a deal? What are you start off? What is the first thing? Cause a lot of new investors, like it’s overwhelming, right? You get a pitch deck. It’s wow. It was like, 30, 40 pages, or maybe it’s only three pages. What do you start? Like, how do you break things down?

That’s a great question. And everyone does it differently, and my thing is I’m a passive investor, so I don’t want to re underwrite the deal and so we’ve already passed the part where I’ve pre-screened the operator. So I assume that the work I’ve put into getting to know the operator, that they are sending a deal that probably makes sense and probably fits within my parameters. So then what I want to do is look at some of the metrics that I like and to do that. We have, I think you have this too. We have a deal analyzer 30 or 40 metrics, if the sponsor gives them to us from the pitch deck.

Then, basically I just look at those and the Excel spreadsheet turns it red if it doesn’t fit within our parameters and green, if it does. And I use the red ones I just pick those out and I will ask the sponsor questions from that. And that helps me figure out, okay, is the sponsor going to answer me in a timely fashion?

Do they know their deal? Do they have the answer is at the, on the tip of their tongue or do they have to go ask somebody else and just gives me a second kind of opinion on the sponsor. So that’s the sponsor, not the deal. Then for the deal, aside from the red flags, what I’ll look at are a few of my kind of favorite metrics and I can go over those if you’d like.

Yeah maybe t here’s a bit of a chicken and egg thing here, right? Before you even get presented a deal, which you can go down your checklist. How did you get to know them? How did you get their name in the first place? Like maybe you’ve get there by referral. Like how you’re getting these people in the first place?

The sponsors? The best place I think is your network right? Using people that, can trust or refer you to who they are familiar with. So that’s one way use your community. So for instance, our left-field investors, again, we have a website that has a long list of sponsors, but those aren’t necessarily our favorite sponsors.

Those are just people we might’ve had conversations with, but if you’re inside a community, you can talk to other people, make sure that they have relationship. And that they, they’ve actually invested with them as we were talking offline earlier. But just make sure that and trust, at least the person that’s referring you.

I think that’s a huge first step. Then, you got to talk to them, I think and they might all say the same thing. A lot of them are salespeople, but you can get a sense of a person having a conversation. We have a list of questions that we ask our sponsors, just to make sure that they have all the information and they’re sharing it with us.

It’s hard in a half hour, an hour phone call to really get that from them, but just to see what kind of person are they and talk to them a little bit and read and hear what they say, go to their website. You’ll get some basic information, read a book that they wrote, listen to their podcast.

And they’re going to tell you who they are, right. Again, you have to filter through the selling part of it, because I think there’s a lot of operators out there and some of them are excellent marketers, and some of them are excellent operators and maybe some are both, but when you want to find is the excellent operators and not the excellent marketers.

So talk to others who have invested with them as well. I prefer a sponsor with some experience. I don’t eliminate you if you don’t have the experience, but if you have 10 or 15 years that you’ve been doing this, that gives me some confidence. I ask how many exits do you have? How many deals have you gone full cycle and let me see the numbers on them?

Another one that I like is how many current investors are in multiple deals or how many repeat investors do you have? Because that tells you something. If you have people that are investing more than once with the same operator.

So you going down this list, something that occurred to me when you were just talking about, like to have a list is a great idea because I think this is where it’s hard, once you’ve danced around on this a little bit, like you get more experienced, you understand what the questions are. And really more importantly, like what is the reason why of the question behind the actual question. This is very similar to like, when we would have new investors go talk to property managers, we would send them to an entirely different market that they didn’t want to botch the relationships they could learn.

Ride the bike with training wheels first so that they could learn the lingo, have the person talking on the other end, educate them too in the process and then go talk to the people that they want. So that can be another tip in the situation for you guys because we talk a lot about this in the syndication secrets part of the ecourse especially as a non-accredited investor or a lower net worth accredited investor under like a million.

You can get yourself discredited sometimes by asking 21 freaking question, game, question train to some of these guys, especially you’re talking to the principal of the company. Which is what’s going to happen when you’re working with more of a middle market, new market operator or a newbie when y ou’re talking to the principal. If you’re talking to some sales guys, they’ll talk to you all day long. That’s just part of their role and responsibility. I think that’s like we got to get people at the baseline first. That really helps them actually learn, have confidence over the phone cause not a lot of people talk on the phone.

That’s absolutely true. And I think the trying to figure out the sponsor is a big part of this and getting to where you have confidence in them and then it just makes everything a lot easier. You mentioned, asking questions for me, if they’re not willing to answer my questions, there’s enough sponsors that I’m going to move on to the next one, because I’m not asking the 20 questions I’m asking maybe four or five targeted questions, but I’ve had situations before where perhaps the sponsor is short with the answers or doesn’t give me full information.

And for me, that’s probably enough to move on because they’re asking me to send them a wire for 50 or a hundred thousand dollars and, they’re going to hold my money for five to 10 years. So I don’t think it’s unreasonable for them to answer all of my questions. So I’m pretty strong on, I’m going to ask you questions and you can choose to answer or not answer, but if you don’t, I’m probably moving on.

And I like how you said that it’s funny to give a mouse, a cookie, it’s going to happen. You give it an investor, a list of 21 freaking question. They’re going to ask all 21 freaking question, unless you make it explicit. Don’t ask all these questions. Pick a few that you like and just use it as a framework to starta conversation.

I’ve had people, I think people doing this all different ways, like the 21 question guy, which sometimes they don’t like to work with those kinds of people for obvious reasons. But then there’s some people that are always on the opposite expectation. They may ask one question, but they’re like, they’re more like, oh, they want to get to know you as a person.

So I think that’s great, the hard thing that you see a lot is like a lot of these guys are trained professionals. They’re salespeople, right? They’re trying to sell you on a deal. So of course they’re going to be very good at that.

We mentioned before, you’re trying to figure out, okay, is this a salesman or is this an operator or both? You want to make sure that you’re investing with someone who isn’t just good at sales, but they’re actually good at running an asset, managing an asset and that’s the most important part. For me, a lot of people say you can have a good sponsor can do it have an average deal, and that’s better than an average sponsor with a good deal.

Because even if it’s a good deal on average or bad sponsor can contain it, right? So you really want to make sure that the sponsor is someone that you want to invest with and someone that you want to have a partnership for a long time. And one of the things I check on that is, I expect a fairly, q uick response because the only way to gauge if this person is doing what they’re saying, they’re going to do is by the early communications you have with them. And there’s no other way to gauge whether they’re legit or not. So I expect that, they’re going to be thorough and professional and respond in a timely manner.

And if they don’t, I know that’s just going to frustrate me after because if they don’t respond to me when they don’t have my money yet, h ow are they going to respond when they have my money? And I know I’m the kind of person, if I have a question, I don’t have a lot of them, but if I have a question I’m going to want you to respond to me within a reasonable amount of time.

So those are some of the checks I do just to make sure that I’m compatible. Cause there’s some really great sponsors out there that I probably won’t invest with because we don’t see eye to eye on some of those things and that doesn’t mean that they’re bad. They just might not be good for me.

Just for some people to understand the world of syndications a little bit just because somebody has a logo on a website doesn’t mean, they’re a sponsor, but there are different levels of sponsors. And I’ll define that as more on the institutional side, you have people that have been around for more than five, 10 years past the last recession, 2018, like these are your more institutional operators.

You’re going to have higher splits. Maybe not as good deals where you might be able to double your money in 10 years, but there’s more of a track record there and they have higher fees were split for passive investors. And then on the other end, you have complete newbies who took a bootcamp and it’s still trying to raise money at $25,000 at a time.

Probably people you don’t want to interact with, but I guess Jim, like maybe talk us about that spectrum and your thoughts. Do you like to invest in when institutional guys are in the middle or are you willing to roll the dice at some newbie? Yeah, I’d prefer not to to have someone brand new.

I also, I sometimes avoid people that are training other syndicators because I think what happens there is you start a program where you’re going to train a bunch of other syndicators and then that’s really your boots on the ground is going to bring you a bunch of deals, right?

Whoever that syndicator is. And so then you’re partnering with five different people on all these different deals and that just makes me a little nervous. I think that experience is really important. Those are the kinds of syndicators that probably don’t even advertise, like some of my favorite syndicators, they don’t have a podcast.

They don’t have a website other than just a basic website, because they have been around long enough that they have all the investors they need. And you’re just lucky to be a new investor with them. So if you can find those, I think those are the perfect ones to be, but I also don’t want to exclude someone who’s brand new just because they’re new and they might be new to syndication, but maybe they been in real estate, their whole career.

They’re just switching from one model to another. I think you can’t just write anybody off, but for me, the things I’m looking for are experience, deal exits and, quality communication skills. If they happen to have a podcast or happen to have a real salesy website, that’s okay as long as they have the other stuff.

For the new people, I want them to have some kind of financial experience, it’d be great if they were affiliated or partnered with people who have done this before. The one biggest mistake I ever made, I think in syndications, was investing with someone who is doing something completely new. They’re turnkey company and that’s all they knew, but it was in Dallas and Dallas, the market went past them and they couldn’t get any good deals to do turnkey anymore. So they decided they were going to do a commercial office. And it was a complete disaster. And the reason is because they didn’t have any experience in that.

So what I should have done is either one, not invest with them when they’re doing a completely different asset class, or I should have asked, Hey, who on your team has experienced on office space? And that would have given me some confidence. I see some syndicators now are switching from multifamily to self storage.

And if they’re doing that and they’re hiring a self storage expert, then that’s not a new asset class for them because they’re hiring someone to manage that for them. But if they just said, Hey, I had success in multi-family. Now I’m going to syndicate self storage. Then I might have a problem with that. I don’t know if that makes sense.

In your defense there, I think in that multiple situations. At least you trusted the operator, right? Like it’s not, you’re vetting two things here. Is the operator honest and are they competent? Now, they may or may not been a competent right. Have having an experience at an asset class, but they have shown a true track record to not steal people’s money in the past with the other business, which you would think carries forward. Ultimately, you have to take some chances out there, right? Unless you have a huge network already of people you trust of organic, pure passive investors.

So I’ve invested with people in the past and got burned. You gotta take some chances, I guess what I’m saying. You got to try, you got to kiss a few frogs.

Yeah I agree. And I’ve invested with new people before and I don’t want to discourage that, but I also am a lot slower. If someone’s been around for 15 years and they have 30 exits and they’re talking to me about all these deals, they’ve exited, I might talk to them for a half hour and invest in the first deal. They show me. But if somebody, only been around for two years, does it or five years even, and has no exits and it’s only in five or six deals.

It may take three conversations and they might have to send me two or three deals that I don’t invest in before I invest in that last one. And that new person also probably I will need a pretty solid referral from someone that I know knows what they’re talking about. So that’s how I look at that. It’s a scale of how much evaluation do I do on somebody the longer your track record probably a lower amount of due diligence.

Yeah. Throw a coin in the game, see what happens. And I also do the same thing with newer operators. And it’s funny, these guys always come off cause they’re probably desperate for some money.

They’re always coming off as Hey, we got a deal now. Hey buddy. If you don’t know me Lane simple passive cashflow, like I don’t sleep with people on this first date. I want to say, I’m going to sit. I have controls on myself, right? I’m going to sit on your email list for six months.

I’m going to watch two or three deals to go by and then I’m like, Get ready to hit a pitch if I do it at that point. Or if I can find other people that have invested with you in the past, but I do the same thing and I think it’s very similar. We all have these kinds of these rules in place, but it’s hard to tease these out of each other. Talk to each other more than 20 minutes and get to know each other.

You’re right. And the other thing I like to do that is new, I didn’t use to do this but someone recommended it is once I invest with somebody, I’m going to try to wait a year before I recommend them to anybody or before I invest with them again.

And that just lets everything because these are such a illiquid investments. It helps to just see how they’re doing right. Are they sending me reports like they said they would, are they sending me distributions like they said they would? Is the deal planning out like they said it would? Because sometimes you get excited because you meet somebody and they seem like they have it all figured out and they’re really great.

And they have, four deals in the first four months. And now all of a sudden you’re four deals in and you find out that they don’t communicate well or, all of their K1s come two months late or whatever it is. Then you’re stuck on now I did four deals with them.

The other thing that I do is when I invest with a new syndicator, I’m going in at the minimum, or it fell even cut the minimum. I’ll go with the lower minimum because I just want to, I want to dip my toe in and then once I am comfortable and have seen how you operate then in the other deals, I’ll put more in, but first one I’m always at the minimum.

Yeah. And you raise a point there, and this is more speaking towards passes, connecting with other passes. Some passes come in a little aggressively talking to other passive investors and they’re like, oh, who do you use? We just spent five minutes drinking a beer together. We’re best buds now. Who you use?

So that partly has to do with it. You probably are not comfortable because maybe they don’t have that proof of concept. And I think most of it, want to hear your thoughts on this Jim, but to me, I think people spend a lot of time and energy to learn and put in testaments, which is like putting their own family’s capital on the line, taking a risk.

You still want to give that away to some random person, they just met. Like I’ve never seen passive investors get with each other, even if they have built that organic relationship over time and just say, all right, boom, here’s my spreadsheet. Where’s yours? Show me yours, I’ll show you mine a thing.

Yeah. I agree with that. I think real estate, especially in the syndication space and in the active space, people are willing to share information and not feel like I’m competing with you, even people who are syndicators can work together, but at the same token, like you said, I’m not just going to say, Hey, here’s my list of sponsors that I’ve invested with to somebody I don’t know yet, because I’m not trying to protect it and not share, but I don’t even know you yet.

So do I want to send some Yahoo to one of my favorite syndicators who’s gonna call and do something that, that may reflect poorly on me. Number one, number two, it’s also, like you said, you spend a lot of time and effort talking to these syndicators and developing these relationships so those are things to be protected.

Then once I have a relationship with someone else who’s passive, , we have some groups that are super tight and even there we share eventually, but once you really get to know each other.

You invest in the relationship.

Exactly. And then you can share but even at that point, I’m not sending you, my list of all the sponsors I’ve ever invested with because that it just doesn’t really make sense. I think part of it is the discovery you get a lot of new people and it’s just like drinking out of a fire hose.

If you say here’s 10 syndicators, go invest with all of them. You know what I say? Some of my sponsors are that I like are on this website, others, you can find on your own, but go talk to some of these guys and just get used to talking to some syndicators. And then we can talk about, who my favorites are and which ones you might want to do stuff with.

It’s all in that discovery and learning. Learning to train your BS detector is I call it.

Exactly.

Yeah. I think, and I talk a lot about like givers and takers. I think there’s a book on this. I think when you pose going guns, ablazing and talk, Hey, Jim, who do you work with? You tip yourself off to sophisticated people. You’re just some guy who is not really into the relationship and you may not be one of those people who reciprocate back. You’re just one of these guys who runs around with throwing out business cards. An inch deep, a mile wide, right? You want to be the complete opposite inch wide mile deep.

That’s the kind of person you want to find and connect with. That’s the whole purpose of these communities is to find people that you can connect with and they’re going to give something back. It doesn’t always have to be reciprocal a hundred percent, but if I’m going to tell you who my three favorite sponsors are, then, I’m hoping you have some sponsors you’ll share back with me, or if you don’t have any yet, then go out and do some research, find some. And then let’s talk about the ones that you found and compare them to the ones that I found.

And so there’s like a give and take. You don’t want to be in one of those relationships where someone’s just always doing the taking, and then you feel like you’re taken advantage of.

By coming to me and being like that guns, a blazing person you’ve demonstrated to me that you do this a lot and the person that you’re going to give me your three people is just going to be what you heard from the other guy in the first five minutes of that conversation too.

If you want to tip people off that you’re the most I don’t know, you’re just not the guy that you’re interacting with. Do that, please. Let us know early who you are.

Anything like real high level to any strange things you do that kind of go to a stent of kind of verifying or just before you invest, that may be different than anything everybody’s heard out there.

We talked about it a little bit. This always sounds shallow when I say it, but really I like to test their response time. If I’m going to send you an email and I don’t get a response within 24 hours, that says a lot to me. Or if I ask you questions about a deal and you say, Hey, I just did a webinar.

Go, listen go watch the webinar. Okay. I’ll I will go watch the webinar, I’m asking you specific questions that I want specific answers to. So those are just some, I guess they’re tests that I do because it’s so hard to determine if an operator knows what they’re doing or if they know the deal and you’re taking a huge chance with a huge amount of money.

So for me it’s about the little things, because I get super frustrated if people aren’t going to communicate with me in a normal amount of time, that’s why I got out my turnkey properties cause the property managers were unresponsive. So I don’t want to get into the same cycle here. So that’s my main thing is I send emails or I’ll give a call to somebody and it’s a test.

Are you going to respond? How quickly are you going to respond and how thorough? So again, when you’re talking about the amounts of money that we’re investing, that kind of stuff sounds like that’s really your test? That’s it, right. If you’re going to communicate with me in a way that I expect, then I know we’re gonna probably have a good business relationship. But if you don’t communicate with me how I expect, I know that I’m not going to be dissatisfied no matter what the returns you send to me.

I think that’s definitely a good point there too. Punctuality kind of shows the professionalism and how they run their shop. I will say to that for those of you guys listening. Cause there are some non-accredited investors actually listened to the show that there may be a little bit paradigm here.

Jim has probably already filled out a questionnaire. The customer service investor relations staff knows what type of investor and he’s seen he’s a serious investor. You might be a non-accredited investor or just a shy under a million half. I don’t definitely do the 21 questions, but they may not come to you immediately with a response.

They might have shit going on, so I dunno, I always see it from two sides, right? I sit on the other side of the seat too and part of it is, I don’t know, it, it is what it is. But it’s hard, right? This is what makes it so hard is because there’s not many signals, two signals.

The website is just a binary thing is they have it, they’re not, is it just looked like garbage, most of them are great. Everybody’s got a logo like it, there’s not many like true signals that you can use. It’s very difficult.

That’s why I use those, but, I don’t have those aren’t hard solid rules. If someone comes back to me in 48 hours instead of 24, Hey, sorry. It took me so long to get back to you. Something was going on, it completely fine. Or if someone comes back to me more than 24 hours and it’s someone I really want to do invest with because they come highly recommended, then I’m probably going to be like, oh, I won’t count it this time, but if I’m on the fence or if it’s somebody new or, it’s just another layer of check for me.

And so I don’t rely on any one thing, but those are just some of the indicators that say, Hey, this might not be what I’m looking for. And everybody, and I get it, everyone gets busy and all that stuff. And so you have to make sure that the parameters you’re setting aren’t too strict in one sense. But in the other sense there’s a ton of syndicators out there. So if for whatever reason, I don’t click with one of them it’s not the end of the world for them. It’s not the end of the world for me. I move on.

And here’s another way of looking at it too, folks. Like when you work with more of an institutional operator, they’re likely to have an investor relations staff and that’s their job, to follow up in a timely manner, maybe 24 to 48 hours. But when you’re working with a smaller outfit that maybe you don’t want to work with me, they’re just a complete newbie. The principal will be answering the phone calls and emails and that’s not, you want. What’s the important stuff? What is the stuff that actually like indicating of future success is not how much, how quickly they invest.

They pick up the investor’s phone call or email. I guess if you think about who’s the customers right. In the situation is it the investors or is it the tenants at the freaking property? I don’t know. I’m just putting it out there. Like I think it depends. I don’t know. What’s your thoughts on that Jim versus do you want to see systems and processes with the institution or would you rather have the organic art as a smaller operator? Cause it’s two paradigms, right?

Yeah, it is. It all depends on the relationship, I think. I don’t really care which one of those you are, but if you’re the small independent operator and the principal is picking up the phone and answering the emails, that’s great.

But at some point you’re going to grow and I need to have somebody who is willing and able to hire somebody to pick up the slack and take care of the investors. You’re shifting as you grow. So if you’re just starting out and you check all the boxes, I’m like, okay, I’m in.

And then you start growing and then your communication becomes worse and you aren’t willing to invest in your own business that tells me something right. And that’s going to be discouraging. So I’m not really as concerned with, are they a small operator or a big operator I’m concerned with, do you have the appropriate tools in place or procedures in place to make sure that you’re running your business effectively? And I would certainly rather you take care of the tenants and make sure that’s running as it should, if there’s an emergency or something, then responding to an email of mine, but you should have procedures in place so that if you’re growing like that, that any, and the principal is out in the field or something that they should have a way to communicate to you.

Like, Hey, I’m out, I’ll get back to you. I have an assistant or I’m going to hire an investor relations person. So I think that’s important too, to make sure you understand what they’re capable of and what the staff is and are they willing to, as they grow their staff so that they can take care all of their customers, whether it’s the tenants or the investors.

Because the signal is, this person is not a good business operator . So how are they in operating their business of X amount of units on the other side of the house?

Exactly.

I think this is just more personal, right? Like me personally, I like to feel like I’m digging a little bit for the diamonds in the rough. I will like to go to like more introverted operators that a good are operating, but are horrible at marketing and maybe that’s the reason why I do what I do. But I like to look for like really crappy PDF pitch decks, and really crap, no website, no presence at all. And I like to dig and I like to find those current investors that they invest with and verify tracker with that way.

Whereas I don’t like some of these operators, like when I go to the website and I look at their team, this person just does their internet marketing. This person just writes articles like who is the freaking operator of this thing that actually does anything?

And that’s just like a different point of view on like something in my head. I’m just thinking about a certain situation of an operator like this but t hat’s just how I am. That’s what I want.

I get it. I have one of my favorite operators now is someone who, he has a website and and he’s not very sophisticated, but he knows his market. He knows his asset class and he does a fantastic job at running his real estate business. He’s not so good at the other stuff. Like finding new investors, marketing, a flashy website. And, you know what, like you said, I’d prefer him to someone who’s really good at having a website or really good at podcasting. I want someone who’s really good at operating and then they can learn the rest of the stuff.

He can hire people as he grows to, make all his documents look shiny, or his website improves as he becomes more, professional. He’s a professional manager of the asset and that’s what I want. That comes in a shiny package, fine. If it comes in a dull, ugly, weird looking package, fine. If I can dig down and make sure it’s a good operator, that’s where I want to be.

Just like the turnkey provider stuff, right in that world, you and I have left that far behind, but people don’t know there’s marketers, they don’t do anything. They just set you up with the turnkey provider or the operator and in a way they’re same thing in this world.

There’s syndicators that just sponsor a deal. Which is personally I think is illegal based on what my attorney’s telling me. You cannot be a non-sponsored based compensation being a part of the GP and not doing anything, even though it happens a lot of times. But like I, as an investor and I think you’re like this too.

Like we like that personal thing, we to like that grass you’ve probably shop at the farmer’s market like I do. You want to know where your fruits and vegetables come from, but you guys, this thing, you guys may not care about that. You may want to go board, skew it more on the side of a more mature institutional operator.

But I’m just pointing that spectrum out for folks. Yeah, that absolutely makes sense. You gotta become comfortable with who you’re investing with, however that is, and it’s got to match your outlook. And that’s why there’s probably so many syndicators. There might be some people, the only people they want to deal with is, slick marketing website and an awesome podcast and they’re in.

Maybe that’ll work out for them, but it sounds like we’re aligned that we want someone who’s operator first and that seems to make the most sense to me, but it’s all got to make sense to you as the investor.

Yeah, I think you and I aren’t on the extreme, right? The extreme would be like, I know some guys that will invest in private money lending deals, which I would never do because it’s not an institutional asset.

The returns aren’t that great it’s ordinary income, but they tell me, you know what, definitely like I trust this guy and that’s all that really matters to me. And I know personally and it’s worked in the past. I think that’s the extreme. We’re more on the site left center or something like that.

I would agree with that.

But any other last parting words Jim any last tips and then we can get your contact information for people to get ahold of you.

I would say for those people that are new to this or just getting into it or trying to figure it out, it is daunting to send that first wire for 50,000 or a hundred thousand dollars. And that’s why use your network, use your community, whether it’s simple, passive cashflow or left-field investors doesn’t matter or different community altogether. I think working together in this is super helpful because it’s not like the stock market where you can just go in and buyand sell, when anything goes bad or wrong.

These are very illiquid investments. So doing some due diligence up front, it’s passive investing, but it’s not passive until you send the wire. Everything before that, analyzing the sponsor, analyzing the market, the asset class, the deal, all that is active and then you get to the passive stuff. If you want to contact me, you can go to, www.leftfield investors.com or you can send me an email at Jim@leftfieldinvestors.com. So I think take action, get in the deal, see how it goes, but be active until the passive starts.

 

How to Travel and NOT Be Broke

https://youtu.be/lFg9ohH6EZ4

Just by leveraging the loyalty programs that are set by credit card companies or airline companies or hotel companies try to rent them out and for anybody who’s not familiar with travel hacking at all, it’s a way that you can get free travel or a lot of cashback if you want. Just by leveraging the loyalty programs that are set by credit card companies or airline companies or hotel companies. And if you’re not aware, there are dozens of different credit card options and different loyalty programs out there.

And it’s all about how to strategically approach the game so that you can meet the travel goals that you want. You can get the travel that you want for almost free, very close to next to no cost while just learning to play the game and plan strategically. Which I think a lot of people in your audience obviously do as they’re researching different real estate and different passive income opportunities.

Yeah and I think that people listening, they’re like myself optimizers and this whole travel hacking thing, you’re literally collecting points and then you have to figure out where that cash in those points at the highest value. It’s like a video game! It really is addicting. It can be a time suck. Maybe let’s start off with do you have a list here of some highest or biggest bang for your buck type of tactics? What’s at the top of your list?

It’s not just a game for how to use the points, but also even how to bring in those points and so my number one advice to people is I have a few. The first is the best travel hack is finding friends who can show you even more travel hacks, because so many people do it the very unoptimized way of I’m going to watch 14 hours of YouTube videos and read blogs.

But really if you just join a community, whether it’s on Instagram or a Facebook group or something, I host different Hangouts. If you just find somebody who’s already into this kind of thing, like you went to the frequent traveler university conference.

It speeds it up so much. If you can just ask your questions there. Secondly, if you’re like, I really just don’t want to interact with people. How do I do this quickly on my own? My advice is to work backwards. So some people will make the mistake of researching different cards and saying, I’m going to go get a Chase card and then an Amex card, and then a Citi card, a Hilton card, a Marriott card or United card.

And then I’m going to figure out what to do with all of those and that’s a really inefficient way to go about it. Instead, I would recommend start with the goal that you have in mind for free travel and work backwards from there. If you’re telling yourself, okay, I want a free trip to New York city and I currently live in Hawaii.

Here are the airlines that fly from Hawaii to New York city. I want to stay in this area of Manhattan. Here are the different hotels that are servicing in that area. Here’s how many points I would need to get that free flight and to get however many nights in the hotel for free. And then here are the credit cards that can earn me kinds of points that can actually be transferred correctly to that airline or that hotel.

Then it really narrows down how many things you actually have to research and figure out and how many points you need to get in the exact currency that you needed in, rather than just shooting all over the place in the dark. Makes some travel hacking friends and also work backwards to get to your goal faster.

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Goals, Takeaways, and Politics with Rick Blangiardi

https://youtu.be/ZldFM4_u854

What’s up folks on today’s podcast, you’re going to be hearing of an interview I did with Rick Blangiardi who is currently the mayor of Honolulu here in Hawaii. Now, the reason why I’m having him on the podcast is to me when I was interviewing him , it really made me think like this guy is like in his eighties, but there is some kind of fiery passion that still propels him forward to keep doing what he’s doing. Most people, I think they get the financial freedom or most people in our group very unlike most people out there in the world get to financial freedom pretty quickly.

Most people want five to seven years, especially if they’re already an accredited investor. We get them up to $3- $4 million net worth. At that point, they’ve reached an end game. Most of us are frugal, right? So they have enough and they they can probably live out the remainder of their days with a pretty healthy wine budget, and travel budget to do what they want.

Now, but what do you do after that? There’s a handful of folks that I’ve come across that they’ve gotten to that net worth scale, and they really want to take it to that next. Ticket to the eight figures, $10 million plus net worth. The reason behind that is just a little bit higher level of wine budget, but they also want to make an impact and money is an amplifier of what you want to be doing, or they want to have some sort of legacy.

Or again, the word impact. So Rick Blangiardi is obviously somebody kind of personifies this. And when you listen to this interview, I want you to really pay attention to, why does he do what he’s doing? It’s not for the money. It might be because of ego.

It might be because of impact, but you know what? I think this heart is in the right place and when listen to this these are the kinds of the people that I like to surround myself with, right? Not the people who just work to their 62 and quit because that was supposedly their retirement age. But the people ran through the finish line, even though they didn’t need to keep working, but they’re operating at such a high level, a high impact, and they’re making a change.

Might not be your thing, but I think once you get to yourself to a point where you’re a few million dollars net worth, I think a lot of these higher portions of the masses hierarchy of needs become something that a lot of people think about at least something I’m thinking about personally, these days too.

One of the big goals. If you guys haven’t checked out the mission, simplepassivecashflow.com/mission is to help folks like yourself to get out of the rat race by implementing, investing in good deals that cashflow . Secondly, do the right tax and legal strategies that the wealthy do that’s very different than what average people do, and also implement infinite banking as the third step. Three very simple things that I’ve found and develop the network around and build systems.

And so we have all the, e-courses go to the website, check those out. A lot of this is in a firm, very consolidated, curated curriculum. And it’s not that hard to get people to that point. This is something to think about once you get to that point, that’s going to become more of a apparent.

For now, you guys don’t care potentially, but a lot of people that listen to this podcast have very high net worth, and that’s why we have these types of interviews. At these special topics, but there’s something else that you guys want to hear in the future. Let me know, I always look for feedback, email team@simplepassivecashflow.com.

Check out the website too, we’re gonna revamping it this year, simplepassivecashflow.com.

 

 

 

This is Lane Kawaoka . You probably recognize our guests here and you’re probably thinking, what the heck are we doing interviewing Rick Blangiardi . But here he is, we’re not going to really go into too much of the issues that are currently going on.

Like we do on the simple passive cashflow podcast. We get to know the people and, whenever I’m going into deals, working with partners, we never know what’s going to happen in the future. And therefore I want to know the context of the person. We’re going get to know Rick a little bit better and yeah, thanks for coming on Rick, really appreciate it.

Welcome Lane.

I know this is a little wild card and your schedule here, but yeah, let’s see what we can do to make the most of it and I think we’re reaching up a bunch of folks like myself, who typically don’t vote and don’t care.

That’s even new to me, to be honest with you, when you say something like that, because I’ve not been a career politician I find it interesting generationally where people are at and honestly, your generation, I would think would be the most active more because there’s so much at stake.

But I find that interesting, I don’t know where the I don’t care comes from, but, because, I would tell you in my short time now making this decision, lot to be said for who’s in power and who has positions of authority. It sounds so. I don’t know. I’m not that power monger, but you know what I’m saying? When you have the authority, you can make things happen. There’s a lot of responsibility with that as well.

Let’s dive right into here and this is that Han solo moment question that made you think of star wars. So those of you guys who haven’t heard of this question before, it’s, Han solo and his buddy Chewbacca from star wars cruising the galaxy as low light smugglers.

I think cross paths, Luke and Leia and they went off on a little adventure. You probably have a few of these, but we call it bridges. I was watching another podcast with coach K and JJ Redick from duke and coach K calls these bridges, but take us to one of earlier bridges and just give us a little context of yourself.

Okay. Yeah. And there have been several of my life. I’ve thought about that. In fact when I’ve come to those crossroads, just to, and I’ll come to your question. I learned a long time ago. I don’t even know who the source is for the attribution, but it was said to me once before, and it was moments, the purpose of all education.

Is to do the things that we’re supposed to do at the time that we have to do them, whether or not we want to do them. That’s about overcoming that inertia that is coming to that crossroads and realizing, okay, I need to make a decision here. And how much do I have in front of me to make the decision that I know I should do?

And how much am I going to yield to the pushback, if you will. Okay. Because that’s the defining people ultimately become it’s those moments in time when you are willing to pivot or not pivot and, and then there you go. So I think probably the most profound one that happened to me early on, it had been several significant ones quite honestly, was when my decision to leave college football coaching.

Because I was 30 years old, had a master’s degree. I was associate head football coach at the University of Hawaii. I was a defensive coordinator. I had a guy like Dom Capers on my staff, went on to NFL fame, having been a head coach and a few other really good coaches. We were winning in those days.

Everything was right about that picture was a low aspiration from the time that I realized when I went to college, what I thought I wanted to do because the game was self, had such an impact on me. And I was doing really well with that. I was coaching all during my twenties and the only thing was wrong was, I came out of a blue collar family.

I was the first to go to college. Everybody had expectations that would do that, so I could make more money than they were earning in factories. And my father was a machinist and hardworking people but I got into a business. Everything was right about it, except it didn’t pay any money.

So in 1977, I had good position in coaching was successful coaching and I was making $15,000 a year and Larry Price, the head coach was making $25,000 a year. In fact, after Larry left, which was subsequent to my leaving, they brought in Dick Tomey at $35,000 a year. I mentioned that because Nick rollovers has just left for $15 million a year.

So maybe 40 years later, maybe if I had been able to stay there with it would have been one thing. But that aside that was a major decision for me because at 30 years old I pivoted to reinvent myself in order to stay in Hawaii and I take a mail-in coaching job. My then wife was mother of my three children, ultimately, really grown to dislike the demands of coaching.

I had very idealistic notions in those days about not only keeping my marriage intact, but also about fatherhood and what to do and coaching was very demanding. So I took a job that I really knew nothing about to sell television time and on the com that CCF tells them time said to me, Rick, if you want to work hard in this business in three years, you can make $50,000 a year.

Working hard at the age of 30 and the life I was living, wasn’t even an issue. I thought, wow, it’s the first time in all those years, even when I got out of grad school, anybody talked to me about making what seemed to be serious money at the time, and I felt a real deep compulsion to go for it. So that was probably and I have no regrets.

I’ve got a 43 year old son who’s done really well for himself and a 40 year old son has done well, it’s 35 year old daughter and my kids. But that changed my life changed my destiny.

 

 

So at the age of 35, you made that pivot. So you are a little older to start your professional career at that point, right?

Yeah. I spent my entire twenties coaching football, but here’s the deal that was a professional career. That’s what I wanted to do just to college football. Unlike today, the top 100 coaches at division one schools all make $2 million or more a year in those years. We just did it for the love of the game.

And it wasn’t all that long ago. It was four decades ago, a little bit more than that, but the bottom line is I thought that was my profession. It was everything about it was professional. So there a lot of work and everything else, it just didn’t pay anything it’s invading money. Yeah, that’s a big transition moving from one track and then going back to the bottom and another.

Yeah, Lane little did I know though that so much of what I learned. You know look, I don’t know how much you know about belief systems, but most experts will tell you, you lock them in pretty much in your twenties.

And I locked in a lot of my belief systems that were rooted in sports team, sports coaching, a lot of other things that I learned along the way. And as it turned out, even though I got into a business, I knew nothing about, I found out that a lot of that would be the foundation for me going forward on how I would lead.

They say a lot of folks in military positions, high stress positions in their twenties translate well into a long career. Would you say it was more like just grit that you had developed or if you were.

I think grit is important. I think you have to have determination. People that I’ve known them to succeed, look, you can get lucky in, in the financial markets. There’s no question and we’ve all seen that, but I don’t denigrate anybody’s success.

But the path that I’ve chosen required a lot of grit, a lot of determination and it never stopped. So I will tell you I’ve been a guy who’s been in one setting after another turnaround failing companies and that’s not some magic potion. That’s a lot of hard work and determination to succeed.

So hard work and determination, you jumped on that highway for the next decade or so.

Look I jumped on that early on. I don’t know, usually talk about myself, but in this kind of podcast, look, I went from being a grad assistant to associate fellowship coach. In five years, I went from knowing nothing about television.

And five years later, I replaced the guy that hired me and in seven years I became a general manager and then I never look back and I’ve had title after title. I’ve been president of two national broadcast companies. I’ve run major market television stations, and I can talk a lot more about it. I’ve worked at CBS in New York, but I came home 18 years ago and did some things that nobody thought were even possible starting first and foremost, we’re taking over KHNL and KGMB.

Two failing stations, the financials were there, same ownership, never one guy before ever did that turn both of those around very quickly, both in revenue performances, rating success. We make KHNL that on Fox affiliate in the country, not once, but twice after 16 straight quarters of ownership of a downward spiral went on to stay with KGMB, took it to 2007.

Sold at eight claim broke everybody. Brought everybody to their knees. The week before Christmas, 2008, we made this decision to try to build what ultimately became Hawaii news now out of a broken economy, pending FCC and DOJ approval. We merged three television stations together. We understood mobile technology and we created a 21st century multimedia company.

Okay. So I will tell you that my whole life has been about that. It’s been about starting at a bottom of working through or inheriting things that weren’t working and making them work. Before I came back, I was president of a company of Telemundo called Telemundo. Second lives of Spanish language network owned by very sophisticated players.

Sony was one and Liberty media was another new to private equity groups. They had just bought it for $500 million SAR niche in the marketplace in Hispanic broadcast, saw the trends understood what Latinos meant for in economic terms. Invested heavily lost a hundred million the first year and their very first year fired the two people brought myself and a guy named Jim McNamara and was the CEO. He stayed in Miami. I stayed in LA.

I lived on airplanes for 45 weeks a year, and we sold that at that puppy for 2.7 billion, three years later and we would have sold it for three and a half billion. Jeff ML was on record because we sold it to NBC of saying that was one of the things that came out of 9/11 was they saved nearly a billion dollars in the acquisition of Telemundo and that’s because they had private equity guys who wanted to sell and they put a deal on the table that couldn’t refuse, even though it was discounted, I’ve been involved in those kinds of things Lane, okay.

So my life and I, when I tell you I was living on planes 45 weeks building a company that’s based in LA. We had a big operation up in the Northern bay area. I have three stations, one of which we bought on my watch in Dallas, big market, just a transaction for that alone was a couple hundred million dollars was complicated plus Houston, San Antonio, Miami. I was in out of all the time where our headquarters were.

So I don’t want toPuerto Rico as our largest operation. Our second largest operation was in New York city and then Chicago, Denver. We were buying Phoenix when I left. And then when the deal was on, I was traveling post 9/11 commercially, not privately. I would wake up in Miami, work in Chicago, sleep in Houston.

Now I’m just telling you that because that’s the kind of seasoning I’ve had through my life. I came home after all of that, at that point at 25 years in the business, quite honestly, it wasn’t about the job. I came back to it because I made a decision, which is something I learned my next pivot point in my forties about alignment.

After going through some pretty toxic experiences. And I decided for me, it was on a macro basis. My alignment was where I wanted to wake up in the morning. And Hawaii had been my touchstone. I told the press where I came back in 2002. I told them that. I said, I moved to the mainland in 89. I never left Hawaii, which was true.

Not only that come back every year, but let me offer this insight. When I first left here, I went to Seattle, brought my three kids with me to run KING-TV. One of the most prestigious jobs in America and they recruited me. I had been working for them for a couple of years. They could have hired anybody.

So they offered me the job on my 43rd birthday. I was in Wyoming. I was doing a football game with Jim Lee and I got this up. If they said we’ve made it this year, they called me up to wish me happy birthday. They called me up. They told me he made a decision when I moved my family and I really didn’t want to move out of Hawaii at that point.

I really didn’t. I’ve been here since ’71. My kids were born here. They loved it here. I was doing well and television. I was proud by that point I transitioned over to KHNL and now we’re doing all youth sports. We’re making a real contribution to the community. I was doing a lot of public speaking. I was enjoying just a sense of being a real integral part of this place through sports, which was my interesting enough in my origins of my coming here in 1965 as a player, to be living like that, it all felt good.

But in that spirit of challenge there was in that crossroads, like I said, I knew all roads led to that. I had to do something. This is my second big pivot point that I really didn’t want to do, but I knew that I had to do it and I answered the bell to do that. So I didn’t know they were going to sell the company.

He brought me to turn it around three years later. We did. They sold it. Next thing I know I’m in CBS, New York, but during those three years, I’m in Seattle. Everybody always referred to me as the guy from Hawaii. It always felt good that when I went to New York, it’s a variety of this big article about, I was a guy from Seattle, but I’m not the guy from Seattle, guy from Hawaii, with this Boston accent, but I knew where my roots were, so it’s been like that.

Okay. It’s not been an easy road. It’s been really a hard road. So that’s why you bring up the subject of grit. I take a lot of pride in that. And as you get to talk about that, but nothing has ever come easy. Nobody’s ever handed me anything. Okay. Anything.

There I also hear undertone. Nothings can go your way. They sold the station. They had to be very big out. You were in that shuffle.

They bring it out. They have you report to a suite at the Four Seasons, this was in Seattle, and it was speculated that all of us would be out and see our manager. They said, Rick, there’s nothing personal. We just bought this company for million, billion dollars and we have our guy and we wish you well, here’s the HR people we’ll see you later.

It wasn’t even like getting fired. It was just part of the transition. But that led me to CBS in New York. I was at a decision then do I stay at and go? I get out of broadcast. I just left Hawaii, went up to Seattle. I spent three years in Seattle, turning that puppy around. I still have a handwritten note from the CEO.

We brought that station back from a death spiral. That’s why they hired me because they had done an employee survey and they realized they had a house of cards and they knew because it was company was founded by a woman named Dorothy Bullet and she had passed away and the previous year now it was time to look at the asset and an old board of directors.

She was 96 that she was recognized one of the top 100 women of the 20th century. She was legendary. She was 56 years old when she started television, the Northwest legendary person. Anyway, I can go off and tell you stories like that, but all of those things were these Han solo moments.

I’m going through space, if you will and life is happening and I’m trying to be as good and as aggressive as I possibly can. Not really know. Nobody offered me anything to guarantee and then just dealing with stuff. So in that regard Lane, it wasn’t too later in my late forties, I was down in Australia.

We had just sold the company. I was president of a national broadcast company, 9 TV, 27 radio and I had partners was a two year deal, was supposed to be a five-year deal. Thank God, it was only two year deal. Most toxic experience of my life. These were bad guys. I got aligned with bad guys. I’m down in Australia and I’m trying to purge if you will.

And I’m thinking about what I’m going to do next that brought a bunch of books at the time. Bill Gates wrote a book called the Road Ahead, and this is pre don’t. Think about all this happened. This was in the nineties. Think about all this already 30 years ago, they were all that’s happened since then.

And it was a real prophetic publication. He was talking about the movie, The Graduate and he referenced it in the context that it was a great movie. You’re probably too young to remember Dustin Hoffman and it was a word in there. It was an experience in there which, how Holbrook is advising this young man.

And he tells me the word is plastics Benjamin, became such a colloquial expression from this one movie line about plastics, like what you want to do with your life going to plastics. And Gates was saying in the book, if they wrote, if they redid that movie today, The word would be communications.

He was talking about that. He said, it would be that’s the word. And I was in one of those sorta youngian moments, maybe a little bit like this and thinking, gee, what did I just learn? I just went through two years of a really toxic experience with people. I’m not gonna mention anybody’s name or flat out evil.

These guys are bad guys. I couldn’t wait to get away from them and the sale of the company allowed me to do that. I’d never been in that experience before. And I thought to myself, you know what alignment I slipped into that. I let them buy me into that job. Not going to do that anymore. I’m going to pick my alignments from this point forward because I was evaluating my life at that point and think of what worked, what didn’t work and why.

When I got out of sync was what, because of the wrong alignments. And ever since that I’ve been very selfish. So I tell you my decision to come back to white post the self Telemundo, which was influenced also in my life experiences of 9/11. 9/11 impacted me in a big way. My dad died that year, but it also impacted me.

I was up close to that, but it also just resonated with me about life, a lot of circumstances. And so I was single, my kids were grown and I could make a decision for myself and so I chose my alignment was I wanted to come back and live here. I wanted to come back here and serve this place where all the experiences I had gained over those 13 years in broadcast, in my career.

And I came back to a fertile setting of having KHNL and KGMB. It was really about this place. It was really about coming back to Hawaii, which is important because that decision on that premise 18 years ago was the exact thing that hit me a year ago. When I made this decision to run from there.

It makes me think of a couple of things. When people invest a lot of money in these real estate or whatever they’re investing in, you’d get a point ’til you’re financially free. Really the freedom is doing what you want, where you want with more importantly, who you want and also when you want. Also there, you came back home and, a big issue.

That’s a lot of people realize is a lot of the pious talent leaves Hawaii, and the brain drain. They go to the mainland for how much higher paid jobs. When I came back home, I had to take a 30% pay cut. I’m like, how can anybody survive in Hawaii? But you’re obviously in a position where you could and make an impact. Take us back to the opportunity that was presented to you to come back. What did you think at the time of the impact that you could make.

Full disclosure: 25 years in the business, I just led that life that I told you, turning Telemundo around I’d run major market stations while I was on the mailer, including working at the network, I was in a lot of cities, whatever. I decided that, that was not a sustainable model because I felt like I was not connected to anything even though we were having some big success and all of that stuff that happens in that kind of mode.

But I actually wanted to come back and be athletic director through University of Hawaii. That was the year that Evan Debelle announced that he will start off with you. Your shooter said he was going to retire. 2002. So anyway, we sold Telemundo. We made the announcement come on October 11th, one month to the day, 2001, I’m going to be safe.

And then I was given the mandate as president of the company to get the deal closed. By the end of 2002 and every day earlier, it would be a creative to GE. So there was a lot of pressure and because they’re requiring partner that’s who owned NBC at that time. So that’s where I was living on airplanes and doing the things I was telling you, which is like crazy life.

And I was a lot, it was my cup runneth over, I got my fill of conference rooms and all the other things you can get through. So I wanted to come back. I thought, okay, this is a great thing. She is retiring and Dobell is the president of University of Hawaii and he’s making these noises about, he’s going to bring in, this great athletic director.

You saying all the things that really spoke to me. In fact, I was hearing from everybody in town, Rick, he’s talking about you. They wanted a business guy with media background who had connections to Hawaii, all this stuff. And I’m thinking, that’s me, he’s talking to me. . I couldn’t even get a cup of coffee with this guy.

He already knew they were going to hire him and Frazier. So I backed into the job because again, it wasn’t about the money or even the positions, everybody that I left at that time, given the success we had. But I was absolutely crazy to leave the fast lane. Okay. Because I gained a lot of recognition was on front cover of magazines and crap like that.

I could have stayed on the mainland that came back to my wanting the alignment of my wanting to live here. I could be cavalier about Manessa bills to pay and you know what? You could make some money, but let me tell you the first time you see the government take half of it.

It’s pretty eyeopening. The numbers look a lot different. Okay. And the one on the short of it is I came back because I wanted to make a difference in this community. And I really felt that circumstance was not the one that I initially wanted. I wanted to be D.A.D. at the University of Hawaii and I thought back to my roots, but I’d learned enough about television.

And this was enough of a challenge because you have precedent of nature. The fact that the businesses were failing under his ownership, I did it for that. I did to come back and try to apply everything and anything I knew about improving local television. Now I started in 1977 KGMB was the dominant station.

But, I can tell you those years, we used to be a one week delay programming or whatever and technically there wasn’t that kind of investment. I can remember early on once I started understanding the business, people always say things like how come local TV so junk will go the main road so much better.

That kind of thing from that in this last go around, I’m not just going all the awards we won and everything I can say Hawaii news now is one of the most did we go. Yeah, I wish statewide television market. And one of the more highly regarded broadcast entities.

Greg bought us a year ago, they had a hundred stations. They bought 63 Raycom. We merged into a publicly traded company of 163 stations. And Hawaii is now what right to the top of that. To me, that is a contribution to Hawaii. Just like in 84, we started doing youth sports as a contributions of Hawaii.

That was a vision that we understood that Hawaii sports. They went from the Northern tip of Kauai to the Southern tip of the Hawaii island and everywhere in between. I understood the feeling of the pride of that and what’s what we began to do on a pretty good basis. So I came back to serve at that point.

Serve a place that I had loved that I always felt strongly connected to. And that began, I didn’t know what was going to win. I didn’t know what was going to happen going forward and I’d never had a crystal ball. For me, it’s never been about trying to predict the future. It’s about how you create this over the course of 18 years.

There was one thing after another. We created some great success, so it’d be here in the broadcast business. But beyond that for the people, I heard I’m a media today. Make a comment about making profits for mainland company. For me, it was first and foremost, always about the people creating a great place to work.

Hawaii news now is the only media company, the voted best places to work five years in a row, I didn’t do it in the last year because we went through a sale. I waited five years before I tested that. And it has to be voted on by 80% of your employees and quite honestly, in news organization people are pretty cynical.

They don’t drink the Kool-Aid. Yet, we were, by our employees, they loved working there and I brought back a number of people Lane. I brought back the Lane Kawaokas. I that’s why I brought back and we got to give you a bunch of them that I hired, who were succeeding on the mainland created something they could felt they could take their career and bring it back here, even to the extent that I wasn’t able to pay them quite what they were making it on the mainland, but they prefer to be home with family and actualizing their careers.

I can give you a bunch of names there, but I’m really proud of that and they’ve all evolved. To me it was that even, and I have to be careful there because I’ve had some really great union endorsements, my folks be certified. They voted out the union that doesn’t even happen on this now because of belief in management.

So we’ve made a great place to work in which we inspired people to do their best. And I used to joke I’d say the same thing to you, as I’ve gotten older, everybody looks at. Even though you’ve already sure. I don’t know much about you have accomplished a great deal, your best is in front of you, but you need to be in a situation where it’s not just you alone doing that necessarily.

You’re going to need, at least in people who work in organizational settings, but in the kind of dynamics I was in with people who wanted to belong to an organization, cause that’s face it, in news or even sales or whatever marketing, that’s the setting. That’s the kinds of people who come into it. We made it a great place to work, but I always challenged everybody to say your best is still in front of you.

And the way we did that was I pushed innovation all the time on new ideas, more than I did improvement was just a basic expectation. We’re going to get better. We have metrics, but no, where are the new ideas? What are we doing? It’s different and better. And so people, when you talk about making work fun, get off in that kind of stuff.

And the, the log of yesterday were in there and crime created tomorrow. So right from the beginning, when we’re stepping, it’s almost, it’s interesting it was 10 years ago, because at that point, I said, we’re in the first year of the second decade, just 2012, we started October 26th 2009, when the first year, the second decade of the 24th century.

And look, what’s going on in broadcast media. And what are we going to do about? And we jumped all over mobile technology, we really on the studio, I’m on a podcast. Again, we understood all that stuff and we made it happen. It was a contribution to why was precisely why I came home. The success is that earlier on the KHNL and KGMB and those recognitions, that was all one thing. This was a significant change in the trajectory of local media in Hawaii and we’re able to accomplish that.

If you can illustrate the differences between the Telemundo years and the Hawaii years, it seemed like in the Hawaiian years you had more of like an impact where the Telemundo years you’re more of within the operations.

I got hired initially with eight stations. Three of them were negative EBITDA. Three years later, we had 11 stations. We tripled the EBITDA, the whole company. We made strategic acquisitions and all the way that we created a presence on a national landscape. When I started the consumer buying index was $80 billion in Hispanic market.

When I left three years later, it was 650 billion. What a trajectory to hit a trillion dollars. This was a high stakes game and it had that hit that trajectory. It hit that point a couple of years after I left. This was understanding the moment in time and how to capitalize on it but that was just a lot of personnel work.

To be honest with you Lane, that was a lot of people picking, I had to put general managers in place and provide the right kind of leader. In a tough place, because first of all, the Hispanic market had one big giant gorilla. This company called Univision and they were very territorial and they made it very clear as soon as we began to make some inroads.

If you leave here to go work at Telemundo, you’ll never come back here. They drew some hard lines in the sand. And so I found myself hiring general managers, like what I’ve been for a lot of years had 10 of them. They were great. think eight of them had never been GMs and just picking people who understood what was at stake, who had capabilities and skill sets and whatever.

So that was different. But that’s been the same here. When I came back. Let me tell you a story. So KGMB and KHNL were both owned by the same company MS communication. And I knew Jeff’s mine and my days from Seattle because he owned the Seattle Mariners and I was trying to work at GLL for 5% equity of his club.

I’d buy a second television station and paid with broadcast rights provided he gave us the equity. I could never make that deal happen, but I got to know. Okay. So I come back and I look at Jeff. He’s a big radio guy in KHON that 16 straight quarters of downward ratings and revenue.

16 quarters, less, less, less. In that process, they’d bought KGMB through the acquisition of we enterprises had not invested heavily in it and it was really downtrodden. They had that for two years, they had two stations in Hawaii. They’ve been operating on a temporary grant from the FCC that allowed them to maintain a duopoly, even though the FCC, one of them ultimately to divest because it was a rule violation, but nonetheless, they had it and they basically said, what do we do?

In KGMB, it should be a perspective. When I walked out in 1984 to go start what was then Kiko, which became KHNL who were doing just under 20 million a year. When I walked in 2002, she was doing under 10 million a year. So you can imagine from 84 to 2002 less than $10 million gross what I walked into.

In Hawaii over that course of time and that’s how broken the place was. I asked to be with the management team of both. They had never done it. There would, there was like resentment, KGMB and the original building over in Cape, on Kapiolani Boulevard in a P koi street was all this brand new glitzy K Joanne.

And it was like bad blood because broadcasters compete against each other. And it was like the haves and have nots so there’s a lot of bitterness. So I wanted to look at the manager. So I asked all the advantages to come day one before any of them in the station had a meeting in the conference room with the elite talent to Hilton Hawaiian village.

I told them to bring their number twos and number threes if they had it. I wanted everybody to bring whoever was, it was in charge of stuff. So sure enough about 35 or so I never really counted the exact number showed up and attention to the room was palpable. You could feel it.

And I walked in and I pretty much laid out, what it was about. I want to tell them. Yeah, cause here’s the deal, the night before I’m watching Leslie Wilcox and run Mizutani on television. I’m sitting in a hotel room and I’m watching him and they said goodbye that day they fired their general manager and they started speculating about me.

Rick Blangiardi has come back to Hawaii he’s going to run two stations at the same time. I’ve seen that a hotel listening to them speculate about my arrival. Okay. Meanwhile, I’ve got this meeting set up the very next morning for all the managers and they’re like shaking their heads and I’ve known one Alyssa this is impossible.

This can’t happen, what’s going on here, and they had people crying over the guy, they just fired and stuff, it was like, so I go in that room and I tell them pretty much, this is the way it’s gonna be. I just want to make it really clear to you that, I am come back home to retire.

Some of you may think that because it was a lot of stuff, talked about the press just coming off of incredible success. But I came back home because of my love and passion for this place and to make a difference. So let’s do think I’m going to give you a railroad to talk today about, you got to run harder, jump higher, there’s a new sheriff in town. That’s not the case.

I’m here to serve notice on what I believe and that is the reason why the stations will not be performing is it’s lacked the leadership. I’m going to challenge all of you. I’m going to tell you right now, the people who are most at risk of a men, a woman in this room, because that’s what I’m going to look at first.

If we expect to inspire performance, I want to look at who’s leading. Okay, because I don’t know how any of you got your jobs. I don’t know that these stations are both dysfunctional. They’ve been dysfunctional for quite some time. So all I can do without casting aspersions on anybody is simply tell you to me, that’s a leadership challenge.

So my first job is not about, but as I am everybody else, it’s going to be to evaluate you and whether or not you should be in that job, show me what you have. I want to see it up close in person. I’m going to get to know you. I want to watch what you do. I want to see how people respond to you. So it was with that understanding that I had a leadership challenge on my hands predetermined.

They barely but predicated on poor performance. Okay. But at the same time, there’ll be fair and I just started to tell you, probably at the end of the year, there were five people left from that group. Some of the people that we changed were internal promotions, a number of them, good people.

Yeah, that just speaks to how important leadership is. Who’s leading in the decision about who’s leading is really important and that can make a huge difference. And that quite honestly is why I chose to run for mayor made that decision in a title of my life. When I could have said, I just had a hell of a career, what am I doing?

And I’ve told people repeatedly, I made this with my heart. Maybe that’s the wrong place to point to, but it certainly wasn’t what my brain, I was driven by this as a referendum for leadership because of what’s at stake and this was pre Covid. So I made that decision based on love of place, not very much different than the decision I made in 2002, 18 years ago to come back here and make a contribution to Hawaii.

For the standpoint of where TV was at, what these properties or for that matter when I took over a broken television station in 1984, and what we then did with that with UHC sports. Now, we certainly. For that matter, even when I go to KGMB, all the things we did or the years of when I came over here, I announced I was running for mayor at the old stadium park.

And the reason why he did it cause I’m really a sentimental guy, because that was the place in 1965 that I first saw the pride of Hawaiians, local people. That’s the first time I saw it, it’s also the same setting was the first time I learned how to fight for Hawaii. I wanted to announce my mayoral candidacy in that setting because it brought me all the way back to Hawaii in a very different time in 1965.

But my life experiences over the course of that time and what I’ve tried to do here, we’ve all been to the good. And now this last chapter, this again was pre COVID, which as I said earlier, is going to redefine my entire time as mayor. But this was all about that, this was all about making a difference in a place you live, feeling connected to it.

And then quite honestly, who’s going to help run this place. I’ve made it clear to everybody that I’m not doing this alone. I’m asking for responsibility and the accountability, but I’ve said repeatedly, I’m going to try to bring in the best minds. I can possibly get people who are smart thinkers, smart doers, and who also want to be held accountable because we’re in a time right now that we’ve never seen before.

This is the most difficult setting any mayor has ever walked into it and I’ve been told that daily by a lot of people, I realize what’s at stake. It’s not just because it just functioned with heart and the mayor and what’s happening with the rail or for that matter. Anything else that you want to say, we’ve got a lot of issues here.

If you were to categorize, when you made that decision to go for a mayor, was it more of a you’re compelled by your optimistic? What kind of impact you’re able to make with the position? Or was it more, you’re frustrated at what’s happening out there? And if so, what specifically frustrating you?

That’s good question Lane, it was probably neither in a sense. This was not really ego-driven and quite honestly, when you make a decision of this consequence, it really is a certain amount of trepidation. But you feel you’re being drawn to it. There’s a sense of responsibility. That you almost can’t deny. You don’t want to turn your back on it.

Like I said earlier with silver referendum for leadership. So if I live here and I say, I love it here. I love its people. I love where I’ve been in. My life has been here. Then you come to a moment in time like that. That’s never just one thing you feel compelled to be. I could have turned my back on it easily.

For some reason, I was up there with people whispering in my ear, Rick, you got to do this well, what more do you have left to in television? You got a lot of gas in your tank. We need you to do this and so since that time that’s been gratifying because look, when we announced, I had no idea how I was going to do.

I don’t even know how many people are going to run. At one point we had 15 people running for mayor. We had three experienced politicians running. There was a lot of unknowns and uncertainties here with no guarantees, but now I find myself not only having one of the primary, but as you may or may not be aware, decidedly ahead, tuition today is election day in the polls who do everything we possibly can to make sure that we meet that.

And then some and so I have a sense of destiny about this Lane. I really do all roads have led to this and all I can possibly do from this point forward and getting elected is to apply everything in my life that I’ve learned, my love of this , place, the people that I know, you look in the challenge of all the unknowns.

I’ve said repeatedly, this is going to take collaboration at the state level. It’s going to take collaboration with the federal government, and it’s going to take collaboration with the private sector in ways that perhaps have even happened before from the standpoint of the mayor of the city and county of Honolulu.

And I intend to do all of that c ause we’re going to need a lot of help and a lot of things we’re going to go right back to what I talked to you really about innovation. We need some new ideas. There is nothing about the situation I’m walking into that says perpetuate the status quo, nothing. Now, if we see things that are working really well, I don’t have that kind of ego.

Like I’m not that person, that’s one of the things that really helped facilitate turnarounds. You don’t walk in there, which is such a classic mistake. When you take over in your number one job and feel like, okay, I’m here. It’s my signature. We have to reinvent something. No, I want to look for everything that we’re doing well and capitalize on that and stopped the things that we’re not doing well and figure out how we can do it better. That’s how you operate in turn arounds.

When you jump into the position, what is something that based on your experience? So with your skillsets and what you’ve learned throughout the years what specifically made you for this position or speaking on any issue out there that you’re a big guy exactly for that issue?

You asked me earlier about grit, for some reason I’m wired the way I’m wired my whole life. I’ve just been like that. I think it’s also a really, I really do. I’m an old team guy rooted in team. I love building teams, people around me. Watching people thrive and being a facilitator in that.

I’m looking at this job as daunting Lane, as it feels right now, given the circumstances and believe me, there’s good reasons to say that it’s a very exciting opportunity right now. Leadership is situational. There’s some real silver linings in this. I’ve talked openly about it and we’re going to try to see the best we can do.

I think the landscape is fertile right now for us to do some things that maybe hit a four year. In the group for the sake of a greater good, the challenges is significant and so I’m just drawn to that kind of thing. Why do people climb things like Mount Everest?

I’m gonna go through all this stuff with crazy things people do. It just something in you and I’ve been in just go this is in me to do.

We’ll wrap up here with the Tony Robbins question, break down a couple of things for us. First, what is the some kind of a secret or hack or any kind of ritual that you do that led to you being a high performer, high output? Basically a science achievement. And secondly, what is your secret or hack for the art of fulfillment? What keeps you motivated? What keeps you going?

Well, I’ve never taken myself too seriously going to be really candid. I would tell you I’ve been blessed, I think with a certain sense of humility and recognizing my own limitations and always trying to work over that, I learned this. You’re going to crack up since you brought up Tony Robbins. Let me bring up Barbara Walters. I’m watching, this is years ago. Barbara Walters is doing a 25th anniversary show every year for 25 years.

Once a year, she interviewed four people. They were the world’s most famous people from Kings to movie stars, celebrities, athletes, business tycoons and so now it’s in a 25th and then doing a special anniversary show and she’s being questioned about, okay, 25 years have gone and you’ve had the privilege of interviewing 100 of the world’s most fascinating, successful, not successful I’m less said that, people like that, what were the common denominators?

You saw you saw them up close in person. She said, I remember at the time I was getting dressed in a hotel room, she said, tell ya. It was two things that really popped out. One, they understood their work and they took it more seriously. But secondly, they didn’t take themselves very seriously. They understood who they were. They’re human foibles if you will. I look at my life like that. I know the impact that can have and what I do professionally, but I also understand I’m an imperfect person in many ways.

What is your secret or hack for the art of fulfillment or any other kinda mindset tricks that you use to keep yourself going?

I think you have to stay positive, from a leadership standpoint, you have to be positive. You have to understand that when you’re a leader, you have to have broad shoulders. I’m being tested right now and this negative campaign stuff that’s going on. If they’re broad shoulders and I think people look at that and look for you to fulfill that expectation. So consistency is really important, having integrity.

Appreciate your time Rick. If people want to learn more about your campaign, you want to talk your website for folks.

We have a website and everybody around me laughs all the time. It’s RickBlangiardiformayor.com. I always have to think about it cause sometimes they say friends or it’s RickBlangiardiformayor.com. I’ve enjoyed this. I know we didn’t go through all your questions, but I thank you for allowing me the opportunity too. I think because all of this was designed, I think in some ways to showcase a little bit of how I tick inside and so I chose to articulate it that way. And thank you for allowing me to do that.

Yeah. We never know what’s going to happen. People ask once you get into a deal what are you going to do when this happens? Or that happens? We don’t know if that’s going to happen. So let’s just talk about, where we are between the two years right now. Thanks for listening everybody. We’ll see you guys next time.

 

January 2022 Monthly Market Update

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What’s up investors now on today’s podcast, you’re going to be listening to the recording green sheet that we did showcasing all the monthly updates and news articles that are impacting investors. If you want to go back to the archives and check out this one in the future, go to simple passive cashflow.com/investor letter.

But before we get going, I wanted to do a. Discussion over inflation. You guys don’t know what the heck that is. Basically. It means that your money is less as the inflation rate is essentially eating it away. And why is there inflation? There has been a whole bunch of money printing as the fed is printing money to keep the country afloat

through the pandemic, these last couple of years and all these government spending programs and entitlement programs, whether it’s right or wrong, who cares right? As investors, how we put ourselves in the position to make out at the end of this and capture a lot of this money. And the way to do that is to start investing and get into your money into things that go up with the pace and inflation.

So you can ride that wave. And if you’re a little bit smarter than the average bear, You put it to things that also you can increase the value and do value, add with it, you don’t want to do, folks you don’t want to put your money into your savings account, making sub 1%. And I would also argue you don’t want lazy equity.

Anything more than 20 30% of equity in there to me is dumb, lazy money. You need to get that thing working. If your net worth is over $3- $4 million. Cool. Do what you want. But most of the people who don’t have their money working are living paycheck to paycheck on their half a million million dollars net worth.

Then you need to get that moving. National inflation rate at the end of this past month was 6% folks. Normally it’s half of that. And another website, if you want to really see what people really think it is go to shadow stats to see what it really is the government obviously wants to under-report this.

A lot of people say buy gold, right? And a lot of people who say that are also getting money off of the commissions when you buy through there their referral sources. So be on the lookout for those types of marketers. For me what I’m doing, what I put my money, where my mouth is, I’m buying real estate, right?

That cash flows just in case there’s a recession. You never know. I don’t think that there’s going to be one, but, by investing in cash and real estate, I have my money in a stable asset that goes up and catches this wave.

Bottom line, get your money into work. Where do you get the money from? What’s your deployment plan? For most people it’s cash. Then once you exhaust that and most of you guys don’t have too much cash liquidity around because why would you want to get into stuff?

So after that, the next thing is get money from your HELOC because it’s a reversible way to get some money out of your rental properties or the primary residence. Once you’ve got boosted concept, or you need some more cash to invest. That’s when you start to look to either do a cash out refi or sell the asset, notice how I say cashflow refinance after the HELOC, because at that point, you’re gonna have to pay some lender fees there.

Those are the lenders because the lenders are always going to want you to do that first. So they can chain right to the bank. After you’ve burned through your cash from equity and you’ve sold off some, lazy equity rentals, which I would argue anything that makes less than a 1% rent evaluation, especially some of you guys been properties in Hawaii, Washington, California, get rid of those things.

They’re not good rental properties. They don’t make a good amount of rent for the dollar that it costs. After that, now we start to look into the IRAs and then the 401ks and stuff like that. Now this is where things get tricky, right? Because when you start to take money out of that, you have to pay some penalties, which is not very much.

When you get money outside of all those garbage marketable securities are going to make a lot more. So it’s just a wash at that point. Usually the break even point is about a year or even less or a couple of years at worst. But then it gets tricky because your AGI goes up also, for those of you guys, who’ve been looking at the 2022 tax brackets marathon jointly $340,000 is that big split where you want to stay on this. But this is totally new to you guys. You guys need to check out the tax guide at simplepassivecashflow.com/tax. It is your job to understand this stuff.

And if you guys want to do a free recorded call, I know all the other listeners are chomping at the bit to hear your story. To do that send us a email at team@simplepassivecashflow.com We’ll get you on the podcast for a full one hour strategy call and in exactly your situation.

If you want to check out all the past coaching calls that we’ve done and we’ve, must’ve done maybe a few dozen at this point, go to the YouTube channel and look at the playlist for all the coaching calls. And if you guys are in the membership club, by going to simplepassivecashflow.com/club, you’ll get access to the members portal where we’ve arranged all the coaching calls and order of net worth.

So my recommendation would be, find what your net worth is and start with there and start to work your way down to get to some of the higher net worth folks calls. And you’ll start to see the same themes over and over again.

But the further ado here is the show and thanks for listening.

 

 

 

 

What’s up folks. This is the monthly market update, January 2022, where we’re going to be going over the headlines.

So the Easter egg for those you guys come in and next week we’re going to be in Hawaii, hanging out have a worst 70 something participants here in Honolulu, Hawaii. So you know who I am my name is Lane Kawaoka. I grew up in Hawaii became an engineer and then I didn’t realize, I didn’t really like it.

Luckily I had invested in a rental property, which eventually grew to 11 rentals in 2015 and then I started investing in syndications and private placements. Today, well over 7,000 rental units of billion dollars of assets under ownership. And I run the family office ohana mastermind where we help you get from a million dollars to $10 million plus.

If you guys haven’t checked out the podcast, go to simple passive cashflow, passive investing, check us out there. But today just a little bit of teaching point. Most of our group are accredited investors these days. So sometimes we’ve bashed little, non accredited investors and they’re buying little rental properties.

Really, there’s no reason why you want to own little rental properties. To me makes no sense. Why would you want to take on the legal liability, the headaches? You’re not able to do value, add real estate, especially if you’re doing it remotely. If you do, you’re joking. And you’re just reading too many BP blogs and stuff like that.

It just doesn’t work. A credit investors invest in as a passive investor where they’re not the active partner. They are the passive, the old money involved. And then let the young people do the hard work and they make money when they make money. But here’s some of the conversations that we’re having in the group.

If you guys want to check this out on the YouTube channel, make sure you guys go to a simple classic castro.com/investor letter, where we have all the YouTube videos to check, take a look at all the charts and funny pictures we have in this presentation. So first thing off teaching point. So multi housing news releases what’s hot and what’s not in apartment interiors.

So what’s hot during Instagram moments. Like nice backdrop. So places where like Instagram influencers or just people just regular people want to take some pictures behind art and customization luxury finishes for all the sort of the theory is if you have a class B apartment, you want to have a class, a.

Clubhouse so that when new tenants come in, they see the new facilities and they, they fall in love with the place. And if you have an in-class place, who will, it needs to look like super posh, a plus if you have a class C apartment, like some of the ones that we have, they look like class B type of clubhouses.

So this is a real page dot crumb or St. Multifamily investment volumes soar in the Sunbelt. So this is not a new story to some of you, all the share of apartment sales in the Sunbelt markets increased by 8.3% in the past 18 months, pushing occupancy and rent growth to record levels as of third quarter.

So the Sunbelt states, if you draw a line from like Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Alabama. I believe the next is Georgia then out to the Carolinas and Florida that’s considered the Sunbelt, which is where most of the demographics are heading these days. Because for whatever reason, I don’t care why.

I just follow the data and I just follow the money, invest where it makes sense. But in my theories, like people want to be in warmer climates in more economically driven areas.

Think housing news also reports why the south east remains the star multifamily. And it’s some of the reasons for the previous slide, perfect climate, lower costs of living tax breaks, high paying jobs, major metros in Texas, providing lower cost of living compared to west coast tech hubs, Texas doesn’t have any income tax, whereas like Washington state has no income tax.

Who wants to live in Washington? I guess I can say that since I lived there, but just joking. It’s dark all the time. It’s dark at 3:30. Greenville, South Carolina, Chattanooga or rural Tennessee and Savannah, Georgia. Now these are smaller cities that have in common is in lower cost of living, but you might see some good investment opportunities in because the kind of fall in this Southeast Sunbelt type of area. One of the appeals of Southern charm of a smaller town is also appealing to residents.

Me personally, I want to stay above markets that are d efinitely greater than half a million population. I don’t really like those really small markets personally these days, because, if the market gets softer right. Where people move right back into the city centers for jobs right now, we’re in a nice growth pattern right now. So all bolts are fluid, I want to be in those major markets and major markets definitely greater than a million population.

 

 

RE business online reports of active adult communities thrive during the height of pandemic is this is a sector strong performance during the global financial crisis. So you’ve seen that this asset sectors resistant to these types of impacts, maybe it’s because they call it a sticky renter who stays in apartment longer than traditional multifamily renters do. The traditional resident stays five to six years of in my opinion, most people move out in one to three years.

Residents really want to be with their peers. Number one marketing term that triggers these kind of older residents. They want to be in a quiet community with activities that cater towards their. I personally don’t invest in. I actually, I am in one, but I just, senior living seems to be a bit of a beach, very similar to investing in student housing, military town short-term rentals.

I prefer not to invest in niches. I prefer to invest in like the glut of America, where most people are at the lower middle class, workf orce housing. So these next series of graphics we have here as joint comes from the joint center for housing studies from Harvard university, who comes up with great, very interesting thought-provoking articles.

I’m going to show some of the highlights here and they’re answering the question, have more people move during the pandemic and in this graph, it shows. The number of people in billions threw her out the last few years comparing 2019, 2020, 2021. Now, one thing that is consistent amongst all the years is you’re going to see a bit of a apex in the may through September periods.

I think that’s just confirms that we all believe, right? Those are the peak leasing months. That’s when people are moving getting ready for school. Definitely the holiday periods are the parts where it is a little bit lower. You see a little bit of a nice little jump in January, right off the first of the year, but then things really start to go into stay frozen.

And maybe that is part of the weather. January, February late January, February is the lowest part of the season. But from my look at this graph, there’s a slight fluctuation between. 2019 being, higher by very small portion, I would say maybe a few percent points more than 20 21, 20 20.

Here’s a little bit different chart showing the temporary change of address requests a little bit different datas. From the summer months, may through September, very consistent through the three years. But in 2020 is where you’re seeing, which is the first year of the pandemic was when things really changed in March.

Maybe people started to you know what I’m guessing a lot of these people moved out of the war. They were maybe somewhere else or with their parents or with some roommates or with whoever. And that’s where you’re seeing this huge spike. March and April of 2020 are people changing addresses.

So this was an increase of 18% to the monthly trend due to patterns at after April don’t know how that helps you investing. But I think, this just, I think this is again, confirms that the peak movements, if you have a vacancy in your rental, your, they want to get somebody in. Prior to August, September, especially October, November.

And now this is the different charges. Your individual moves have been elevated during the pandemic individual moves remain elevated early 2021 before dropping with 19 million was in January through October.

And the last chart here, family moves, fell apart after the onset of the pandemic and have remained at lower levels. One possible explanation is that people who were able to move as individuals had more flexibility during the pandemic and responded by packing their bags and leaving just makes sense, right?

Where those people were in a family who were a lot less able to do so and responded by hunkering. I feel this. I have a child non I don’t feel like I can just go wherever I want. So go figure, switch a news here. Commercial property, executive reports at JP Morgan chase makes Dallas headquarters official.

So they are moving into the chase tower, which is in Dallas, the fourth tallest building to a smaller building, half a mile away. As of September the national office vacancy rate registry, 50% basis drop month over month reaching 14.9%, but it’s still 130 basis points year over year within the same period.

Metroplexes office vacancy rate decrease month over month, but remain higher than the us average plucking in at 18.2%. A hot market like Dallas I think different asset classes, they. They react differently to things like pandemics or recessions, if this is just highlighting the office, but definitely, office in Dallas is doing better.

The other Metro markets switching over to construction activity, top five industrial markets for construction activity. Again, highlighting the word industrial. So this is like warehouses, not necessarily like apartments or places like that. Number one, Dallas. Number two Phoenix, number three, Chicago, four Indianapolis, and five empire, which is San Bernardino area.

So those are the top in terms of square foot, under construction. But you have to also read into the next column here, which is percentage of stocks. Dallas Fort worth is number one on the list with most square-foot up under construction of 36 million, but it’s only 4.4% of their total stock. Whereas Phoenix number two 30 million square feet under construction is 11.4%.

So you could say that Phoenix has a bigger job in terms of their magnitude. Phoenix industrial mark has been a long target for both the developers and investors owning to rapid population growth company, relocations to low relative costs, particularly compared to Los Angeles. So there’s a big migration pattern from California going out to Phoenix other, and the top of the list, of course, Dallas Fort worth Metro had the highest level of industrial nation.

Or 4.4% of inventory because of low taxes, immense population growth, narrative, corporate relocations, despite deliveries this year at nearly 20 million square feet, vacancy kept a low 4.9%, one full point floor event than national figure. In this kind of just two different data sources, but Dutch, industrial, Properties doing a little bit better than the office counterparts, but I think you can also read into, wires.

There’s a demand there. General population growth, and that’s where you can extract relate. If you’re now in a multi-family or residential investor, you kinda need to look at these types of data sources to, to get close to the news commercial property executive reports, interest rates are heading up.

Here’s what to watch now. I think most investors, they freak out about invest in interest rates going up. And here’s why it doesn’t really impact sophisticated investors because sophisticated investors make money based on the cap rate of what the investment is making minus the interest rate, what they’re paying on their debt service as interest rates go up typically, so to cap rates and so to rent squats, exponential.

So I’m going. I always say it sounds crazy, but if I welcome interest rates to book, because that means the prices of my properties are going up. And that’s also means that the rents are going up most likely to.

What should investors be watching a piece of a tapering? So the fate, if the fed tapers bond purchases, the program will end in 2022 triggering the event for interest rates slowly begin increasing. Now the government takes forever to do this type of stuff, and it just the history from what I’ve been tracking at the last decade.

Now, when they say it’s going to end in mid 22, I’m just gambling here, but I’m gonna say it’s probably going to be a six months to a year plus after that, we’re just really going to start to be impactful type of thing. Also watch the labor force participation rate with the fed state of focus on achieving maximum employment and the labor force participation rates still below pre COVID levels.

In spite of the fact that enhanced unemployment benefits have been. And schools up and broadly be open. What is the feds road? Stimulating labor force participation world for means to be seen, as we all know right now the power is in the favor of the workers right now. Where you could probably see in last several years where the employers had the pick of the litter, now.

Workers or having a little bit more rights, they’re pushing the weight around trying to get raises. At least the white colored workers are trying to do that. I just, read all these things where, these long employment applications, workers looking for a job.

And I already have jobs looking for better jobs or saying, screw you guys, I’m not doing like a three-page application. This is ridiculous. Why would I want to spend so much time? And especially if you’re not putting down the dang, like salary rate, maybe it’s just, that’s just me. Cause I’m like, I don’t, I’m not a worker.

I don’t really work these days, but why would you not put the salary on your list? What person do you expect to complete your application? Who doesn’t have the self-respect or knows their value in the workforce that wouldn’t want to look how much the salary is and would wait to the end? I don’t know.

Call me crazy, but now I think a lot of people are moving more in that direction at the point. And I’m sure it’ll go the other way. At some point in the. Good. I digress. The last point here is the wage growth inflation rate. The fed has largely dismissed, concerned about inflation, which was just reported at 5.4% year over year which growth is much stickier and can drive long-term inflation, which could pose challenges to the Fed’s low interest rate environment in the coming years.

Also reporting by the commercial property executives, how high inflation could impact rates. So reads. We don’t really like them. I mean their retail investments, they have some funky rules where they have to pay on 90% of their income to investors, which sounds good, but it’s bad if you really want, what’s really best for the investment, but, reads, I think on an institutional level can be used to just get a look quick Brahma or how things are in relation to different asset classes in the stock market world. Here they’re saying they’re largely depend on the length of time. It takes to study rising interest rates as long as how the high, the rates get inflation and higher rates remaining.

Temporary issue us equity rates, credit profiles are likely to suffer. In terms of liability duration, it’s best for you in the context of performer, these 10 or long-term leases provide less immediate opportunity to raise rents, to offset rising costs, controversially REITs, that own operational intensive property types and shorter lease durations are better able to handle potential spike in interest rates.

So what they’re saying is, REITs are typically big into more institutional tables. Commercial properties, office space buildings, where the, it doesn’t work where you sign a one or two year lease term or one year or less with the apartment owner. Here there’s, they’re signing, several years, sometimes even decade plus term contracts.

So if there’s inflation logically makes sense that those types of leasing environments would make less sense. Or would hurt the REIT in that case where the more agile and more limber investor or private equity investor investing in more residential type of properties who have that shorter time horizon are probably going to be doing better in inflation, as we’re probably going to probably see if any leg between rents going up and inflation going up it’s a pretty liquid type of quarterly.

Goes pretty, it’s pretty instant in a way. But I think, you could probably specificate versus probably say that it could also work in your saying inflation goes down and we go to not inflate inflation environment, but a deflation. It feels shorter term thesis could probably hurt you, but what would probably happen in that environment?

You know what the commercial leases that are long-term 10 years, like those big companies that do those types of leases, they’re not dummy. They know their power. They’re going to probably just retrade whether it’s ethical or they’re just business. So they’ll probably just say. Hey, there’s a deflation and we can’t pay.

And that’s, I think that’s what we’ve heard some complaints from some tenants or some investors who do own long-term triple net deals is that through the pandemic, the tenants of all their nationally recognized names and nationally accredited, good balance sheets. They just said, Hey man, Hey, Mr.

Little landlord, we’re not going to pay you this month. So Sue us. Yeah. Imagine getting a letter from Starbucks saying, Hey, we’re not, we’re just not gonna pay you this month. What are you going to do about it can take us to court. It is what it is. Multi-housing news says inside Texas hot single family market.

And so a lot these built or read communities are coming up because people can’t afford. If they are newer properties, they’re a little bit smaller and, but they’re not as high end, but at least they’re new. And that’s what the appeal to new potential home owners or these buyer to rent.

Communities are coming up with Austin, Houston, San Antonio among the most sought after market. A trend coming up. As many consumers are choosing to rent instead of purchase many younger residents, desiring to live in the moment. So to speak rather than tied down to home ownership and a mortgage, which something I’ve always said, right?

If your net worth is under half a million quarter million, I typically think that it makes more sense to rent and buy investment properties. That is if you are good with your. I guess that said, most people in this country are not good with their money. They spend money once they, for David in to save it.

So buying a house to live in is a force piggy bank, but more information on that go to simple passive cashflow.com/home. And if you’re thinking about buying a home, maybe you read that first before you make potentially the biggest financial mistake of your life. Don’t. So finishing up this article at demand and single found me rentals continues to remain well oversupply, as we suspect that continue for the foreseeable future, the single family rental sector and the build to rent specifically is not a fad.

I see it as the idea is you build these things and you sell it to an institutional owner as a lot of the institutional money is coming into this stuff. But. I am not a huge fan of wanting to hold onto this stuff. Long-term because for the reason why you go to apartments with one roof, all the systems in one place.

Sure. With these built to rent communities, all of the properties are standardized the standard part lists standard, and they’re all in the same facility. So you don’t have the issue of running all over town to maintain properties. And you can have one central hub for your maintenance staff, but they still think.

It’s difficult to deal with the individual roofs, for example, and just too many things that will break on a single founding overflow. Whereas, our apartment, you just have the interior walls of each individual unit is what you have to worry about. You literally, just count up the number of sides of the building that you have to worry that potentially can go.

San Antonio’s top of relocation destination for Austin renters in San Antonio. The overwhelming majority of these searches were coming up from Austin. Houston was number two and Dallas was number three. So these are people searching for places relocating in Texas. Out of state and new renters are more likely to come from Orlando, Atlanta, and Chicago and interesting San Antonio is, are actually looking to move to Austin with the mate majority of local outbound searches for the people who are in San Antonio that are looking to go elsewhere.

So those are the thing, the trading, a lot of it’s a shuffling of the same people, but that’s where people are looking towards. We believe that San Antonio is definitely one of those emerging markets that Dallas is the second with the, people have to move out of Austin into Dallas,

the business journal reports, the fastest rising us rental markets. Number one, Phoenix, Mesa, Scottsdale, Arizona. No surprise. And that from the Dallas business journal, not normally, do you see a Dallas business journal reporting that some of the place other than Dallas is doing well, and then this report from, or just following what Blackstone is doing in a recent article?

Where they’re saying that the, just quoting Blackstone, the fourth quarter earnings could be up 18% on the problem will have an impact on the economy, but the economy is strong unemployment at 4.2%, no layoffs housing prices going up a recession. Isn’t in infinite. I think. That’s what I’m reading from.

A lot of my independent data sources. The only people that are saying that there’s a recession or are like crazy YouTubers that just want to day trade attack. Get you to watch the traffic accident on the highway is really say the housing news also reports that Cardone capital uncle grant Cardone buys for Florida properties for $74 million of, and there was 1700 units in that for four property portfolios. If you do the math and I’m going to make sure I do the math for you real quick. 74 million, advise 1700 is about $435,000 per unit.

I looked at these properties and it doesn’t look like they get any much more than 2 2500, 2020 $500 a month for rent just saying purchase price again, per unit 435,000. Sounds like some California prices to me, if it was me, I’d buy in California for that rent to value ratio, but a different game.

And he gets paid on the acquisition fees, et cetera, that type of stuff. And it’s more of an institutional deal. So investors don’t get paid as much.

Adam reports, house flipping profits decrease again. Oh, I don’t know why you want to be a house flipper order and income, unless you like the ego of it. But it really is not very much money you make. It’s how much money you keep and how much time and energy you put into it. Which is why we like the passive route.

But if you don’t have money, you don’t have a good paying job. Then I get it. You got to flip some houses or go find a job. I wrong with a job. I had one. So if you guys like our community and you’re looking for more other accredited investors and tired of kicking tires with a bunch of the local real estate clubs and beat up groups with lower net worth guys check out our family office group at simplepassivecashflow.com/journey.

We have 85 members a bunch just joined this past month. You get the e-courses, you get the biweekly zoom calls. We have mini masterminds where you break up the big group into little small cohorts based on your net worth. We also teach people a lot of these ideas of wealth building mass we have mentors within the group.

So a lot of people stay stick around up to the first year. It’s a big on community, but it’s within this close knit circle. Also my book is releasing January 25th. So if you guys can help me out check out the book for free. Go listen to, I recorded a bunch of videos of myself reading it, like fireplace story time. Go check them out and go to simple passive cashflow.com/book.

You can also text the word remote to 3 1 4 6 6 5 1 7 6 7 to get access to the remote rental lite e-course to learn how to get started investing in real estate, the rental properties, like how I did.

 

 

 

But now we’re going to get going to some of the, we see some questions queuing up. I see an infinite banking question there. We’ll get that to that, to the, and if anybody has any questions or comments that then we’ll try and get to that too. So this is a personal account of what I’ve been doing up this past month and to round up the year 2021, what a big year again. But we hired some more staff trying to find people that are better than myself at doing certain things.

So I can focus less on, answering middle investor relation questions and Focusing on things I should be doing, which is to getting into infiltrating other circles of other family, office groups, other sophisticated investors, finding deal flow, and doing exactly what, in my opinion, my job is, and not screwing around with editing podcasts, like how I did in 2016 or that doing those types of stuff.

And as I’m learning as a relatively new entrepreneurs, not about, doing things myself, it’s about building the team after a certain point and near ship. The book is dropping seven are the 25th of this month go to simple passive cashflow.com/book to check it out next month.

This this coming month or next week, we have the retreat super excited about that. And I’m going to tell my team, Hey, let’s go out there and let’s go change some lives. The thing that changed my life was meeting other accredited investors and other, just remote investors, investing in turnkeys without even seeing the fraud.

I thought I was crazy until I met a whole bunch of people doing it, and I felt like I wasn’t crazy anymore. So if you think you’re crazy for not investing in the 401k and the stock in and buying your own house to live in and taking money out of your 401k and not doing a Roth IRA, not the health savings account, nothing a 5 29, who doesn’t do a 5 29, you must be in a jackass for not doing that.

You don’t care about your kids. There’s a different way. And will, infinite banking is one of those ways. Do a better 5 29, but there’s a lot of these strategies that I learned that the wealthy do that we’re going to compile a lot of the people who are leading in that direction at, in Hawaii January 14th to the 17th.

It’s not as, it’s probably too late to register, but you can check out the videos that we do coming up some other significance things that I’ve got significance for myself. Close another deal in Glendale, Arizona, and just keep adding to the portfolio. Pizza spread between class a and class C deals value, add development, have be value, add plays to me like what I’m trying to just invest in workforce style housing stuff for the regular people that do it the way I see it.

Pretty recession proof.

But what are some things that are concerning to me, uncertainty? The crumb thing is new main, but I think not to say that’s not important, but from an economic standpoint, I don’t think that there’s huge concerns over the economy. Tax implications potentially is something I’m potentially a little worried about.

Although a lot of the scary things that they did discuss about like getting rid of solo, 401k self-directed IRAs are really inhibiting a lot of that stuff. Getting rid of 10 31, there’s just went away. And I think it’s important to note two years from now, when did the same talk happens again?

That it’s Hey guys, this happened before nothing happened. Don’t freak out about it. This is just a posturing issue thing that goes on in, in Congress that things just don’t really change, but generally move in certain directions. But there was, I think you, and I say top tax implications, I guess what I was thinking of was, where they’re going to be more types of solid case law on like land conservation easements, or.

I don’t know, can’t think of any and nothing really concerns me with that type of stuff either. Especially when you’re a passive investor and you have a lot of passive income, your deductions from the investments, from your depreciation is going to offset and that’s going to be your game.

It’s the people with the ordinary income problems that people make high salaries. Those are the people who have to get your money into passive investing. So you can get trade your passive investing money for. Or passive investing income for your ordinary income. So we can use that to use a passive loss as the lawyer your your income level.

Somebody had a question. What do you think about interest rates impacts in 2022? As I mentioned earlier in the call here I don’t really care too much because cares if the interest rates go up. Then my cap rates are the returns they make from the investments that I’m already in are going to go up in parallel.

Go look, go Google interest rates versus cap rates. They jumped, they go up and down and tanned up for the most part. Sure. Sometime as they squeeze a little bit together and the Delta gets. But as investors, that Delta is very important because essentially what we’re doing is we’re taking that Delta, which is the spread between the interest rate, what you borrowed the money at and what you make in the investment.

And you apply debt and leverage. That’s, it’s a simple thing, but a lot of people just don’t think about it like that. And interest rates are going to dance up and down and sort of cap rates. But as long as you’re in the game it really doesn’t matter, but where the game changer happens is if you’re playing a game of value add you’re putting in improvements, you’re changing out, cut our tops.

You’re adding playground equipment. You’re pressure spraying the side of the buildings to increase revenue on the buildings. Now that is called force appreciation. It’s much more powerful in commercial real estate, as opposed to. Changing out the countertops, rehabbing the kitchen and hope crossing your fingers.

That a home buyer, retail buyer will pay more. That likely happens. That happens a lot, but on the commercial side, it’s a lot more of a sure thing, right? Because properties are based on net operating income, divided by the cap rate. And that is something you have control over your destiny. So yours is going to have a spread in the interest rates and a capital.

But where you take your own destiny in your own hands is when you take that, you increase the value of the building by doing value. Add, maybe you decrease the expenses too, while you’re at it. But calling a cavalier way of doing things. But, I don’t really care about interest rates and plus like the interest rates don’t really change too much, too quickly.

This is just coming from a guy who’s been doing this since 2009. And every time the fed says there’s been a racer rent rates, it’s Ooh, who cares? If I was a home buyer and just buying a house, then I’d kinda worry about it a little bit, should I be paying 3.7, 3.5%. But when you’re in a commercial grade investor doing value on your properties, it doesn’t really matter.

As much, I think when you are looking at the returns as an investor and you look how much money came from just the pure cashflow or that, that play between the interest rates, where the interested city mattered and the value add proportion that you build that equity up, it’s typically like the vast majority is coming from the value, add portion of it.

And another thing to think about too is, When you’re, I said, when you’re evaluating the properties, that’s when you taking your own future in your own hands, but we’ve discussed this many times and that’s what we try and do here. We try and keep things very simple, easy in this crazy world.

Some ways I’ve had some certainty in my life. You’ve got some closings coming up, Q1. Pop some champagne bottles of full cycle deals, but then you know that money’s probably just going to go right back into the next deal again and again, BU but Hey, that’s what I enjoy, right?

Like I think a lot of investors have this attitude of grow plant, some seeds, grow garden, grow some flowers, grow some things with some more seeds and plant the seeds. Had a deal where we returned some capital due to less construction scope. That’s always nice when you overestimate construction scope and you have some money come back got a development. This is just a state of the market. Like people want to buy this stuff at crazy prices. This is the time when you want to be developing and doing value ads to sell to more of that larger investor or the retail mom and pop investor who doesn’t know any better.

And another thing, I’m trying to get rid of all these single family homes. I got one left in Alabama for three, wants to buy it. They offer actually, don’t get probably you guys are real estate investors, pop investors probably give me a low ball offer. Don’t waste my time through. But I’ll be really happy when that one’s gone.

Look it really looking forward to the retreat. Hopefully we can make a lot impact on different people and make a lot of connections cause that’s what it’s all about. Some things I bought a bunch of these COVID tests. What a cool world we live in, where you get. Test yourself to see if you have a disease in real time.

Just think about that. Like what a cool time to be alive. You know that, to me, this is amazing. And then, now they have like terms for different Delta or omicron or whatever. The fact that they even have like names for this type of stuff, they didn’t have this 20- 30 years ago I’m thinking.

Something else I bought, we had our first kid recently and my wife didn’t drive anywhere. So I thought it would be a good idea to not have a car for her, cause she’s not going to drive anyway, but that didn’t go on for very long. Apparently everybody, all adults need their own car is what I learned.

So if I bought this GV 80 which is a cool car, so I was like, I wanted a Porsche because Porsche’s are cool, but they’re overpriced. The sticker price might be like, I dunno, it’s 60, $70,000, which doesn’t seem bad, but there’s absolutely nothing in that car. If you want, like half the amount of like upgrades, it’s gonna, you’re going to turn that Porsche to a hundred thousand dollars Porsche.

And same thing goes for Mercedes GLE, BMW X5. What I like about this Genesis, this GV80 is it comes fully loaded, but even more than what those other cars have. For example, they’re like the button on the thing moves back and forth with ABI going, getting into cars with his grave. When I like some jerk, like parks next to me, and I have to put in a car seat, the baby car seat, like I can move the car out and put the car seat without hitting their car.

Cool when I go like this and I make a, like Luke Skywalker star wars to a mix of look like I’m moving at there’s these like shade, privacy shades in the bag that is makes me feel like I’m in a back Mercedes. The dash is 3D. It’s got all like the standard, like adaptive cruise control type of stuff.

If you guys have a modern car, you guys know what all of these things are, but like this thing is pretty much fully loaded. The only thing that it didn’t have that was in the higher level was like the soft close doors where you can just be like, let go of the door and it closes itself.

Maybe that’ll be in the next car we get, or maybe we’ll just have flying cars by that. But if you’re looking for a extremely good car that’s his like value. Maybe that’s what the V stands for. Good value, eight GV 80 . I would go, I take a look at it, but, and it can’t be Mercedes or BMW or whatever Porsche, but you came for the badge, which I think is fine too.

I only get one of these questions here. So we had a question about infinite banking. After you take out the maximum amount of loan against cash value of a whole life insurance policy to invest in syndication deals. Is it better to fund the paid-up addition to increase the amount of cash value in the whole life policy, or is it better to pay off the loan first?

I think the important goal is to not lose your ability to. To keep over funding or the PUA paid up addition. So some of these carriers, some of the ways you can figure it are very inflexible. Like I have, I’m actually very confused by this too. Cause I have three different policies at three different carriers and three different really wonky restrictions I have to, or like circumstances I need to hit to not lose my PUA.

So like one of them. I have to keep funding at every two at every three years. The other one has some kind of five-year look back. The other one of them is the most is the most flexible where I have, I can just fund it whenever and just skip it. But a lot of this is in the infinite bank e-course you guys can get free access to that@simplepassivecashflow.com slash banking, but that would be the first thing I would look at is how does the.

How does the flexibility component look for that for your policy. And this is where this becomes very personal, right? And you may not know like how your deals are cashing out or your windfalls or cash or your income at your day job. That’s just, you’re going to have the best idea on how to do this and make the best judgment call to prioritize.

Filling that PUA up first, right? If you’re going to be able to hit the PUA A next year and the year after then maybe you might prioritizing paying off the loan. But because you’re mentioning that, I think that’s a big newbie mistake. I see people is they have this loan on their infinite banking, the whole life IBC, but then they freak out about paying off the loan.

I get it like where it comes from. I it’s just Nope. And I think it’s no different than like, when you first got a hilar on your home, there was like a payment occurring in the background, but you learned after some time that, and don’t freak about it. It’s just there, right?

Yeah. You’re making money elsewhere, at a time. Higher frequency, higher rate. And that’s why you’re doing it right. Essentially. We’re arbitraging the money in here, but when we have the big windfalls of cash, this is a good place to put it. And. The paid-up addition, where I think about is every year.

So you get another container unless you don’t start filling them up. And again, that was where I was mentioning. All of them have different circumstances. Some policies are like, you get another container for the next year, but you get, unless you filled up last years, you don’t get another one. So that’s where you have to look at your policy and then you have the kind of forecast or what you’re going to be doing in the future.

I just speak from my own experience. Like I had deals cash out recently the end of the year. And I was looking at my policies and I had to pay off. I had to do the insurance premiums first, I guess that’s the priority, right? You got to do the premiums first, which is usually a very small amount, unless you’re doing a jacked up

infinite banking where the insurance premium is high, as a percentage should be definitely be like less than 30% of the premium that your guys screwing you. Pay that first, then you have to look at, should I pay the paid up addition? Or can you I elected to, I didn’t realize it, but I owed like a pretty large sum loan.

I have a lot of times they don’t allow you to take out even more loan if you don’t pay the premium. So again, you pay the premium first, which is, should be a very small portion, should be pretty easy to hit that, but then the PUA next and then, so what I did, because my stuff is confusing with the three of them.

I made a little spreadsheet where I have the anniversary dates and then I have 2021 insurance premium, 2021PUA and then 2022 insurance premium 2022 PUA amounts and then repeat that for each year for insurance premium PUA. And my thing is what I, and then I also have a a column on the left side where I have my cash value and I also have outstanding loan.

This is how I go. This is my dashboard. So I know that I’m paying off the premiums and paying into the PUA but I may be also carrying a loan too. And that may, maybe the smart thing for me, based on my situation. So I don’t know. If it’s beat at the death there, but if you guys want to dig into it, I’m open to doing a coaching call, but you guys got a recorder, right?

Like I say, you got to put it off for everybody. Clean advice, if not just sign up for the family office subscription. Stop screwing around and get around other people doing this stuff and you start to learn this stuff through osmosis and you start to build a peer group to learn this stuff.

But with that, this episode was also sponsored by GV80 Genesis. Anyway, we’ll see you guys next month and thanks for listening. Bye.

 

Stress Busters for High Achievers with Trish Ahjel Roberts

https://youtu.be/ci5tyW239w0

This week’s podcast, we’re going to be talking about some stress busters for a lot of you, higher achievers out there. Most people that are listening are in the investor database here make multiple six figures and really grinded on both ends in terms of making a lot of money and saving it, being good stewards of money and wealth.

A lot of people here bare minimum saving 30 to $50,000, some able to save multiple six figures after , all their personal expenses and we still do the on free onboarding calls for a lot of you guys and just being nothing really surprised me anymore. I’ve talked to people who make $500,000 and spend three, $400,000 every year.

A lot of it usually has to do with private school or those types of expenses, but I’m not huge on the saving your way to financial well-being, although that is a part of it in the beginning, if you can be a good investor and then get yourself into the right deals, get yourself into the passive investing world.

So you can use the passive losses to lower your passive income. That’s the way you’re really gonna make movements, especially as accredited investor and getting your net worth beyond the million dollars. So before we get to that podcast, I just wanted to talk about a couple of things that an investor emailed me the other day, and I thought it pertained to a lot of what you guys were, questions we’ve had lately that have come up.

The question was, ” what do you think about, the inflation? Obviously it’s pushing prices up and then the result of that is interest rates also going up. And my response to that is, I try and keep things very simple. As investors, we are making money off of the Delta between the cap rates and the interest rates and cap rates typically trade up and they go down at the same, they’re correlated with each other and there’s always a consistent Delta between not sometimes that Delta squeeze this.

And that’s not good for us, but typically it returns back to that healthy Delta where we applied. Good leverage or hitting good debt service coverage ratios pay for the debt. But that is how we’re making money with that Delta and we leverage that of course.

The things that impact the interest rates in a date is loan proceeds and this is how much money the banks ultimately give us at the end of the day. Two things that move and impacts loan proceeds: Number one, interest changes, which is a little bit lower impact and that was the primary concern of this investor. The second is the improving net operating income, which is higher impact.

Or in other words, if you’re going through and you’re rehabbing the property, six months to a year, you’re improving that and operating either by increasing the rents, which is improving the income or decreasing expenses, which is typically rare, right? Normally we’re trying to make it a better product for customers.

Therefore the income goes up and the expenses stayed the same or gradually increased too. But those are the two things that really move the needle and I’m downplaying the whole interest rate things because when you’re doing value add you’re increase in net operating income that drastically improves your loan proceeds how much money you’re able to create and thus take out of the loan.

Even in an environment where interest rates are going up and up, I don’t anticipate interest rates going up more than half a percent full percent in the next year or two. I’ve just seen it happen so many times where , the fed says they’re going to raise interest rates and it’s like, all right six months went by and nothing happened and then it finally gets going and it just moves at a turtle’s pace.

Let’s think what happens when the interest rates go up. The reason why the fed moves to bump up the rates is because the economies is doing well. As investors, you’re literally leverage 4- to- 1, but I would argue, leverage even more that if when the economy goes up, the rents are going to go up much, much higher than what the interest rates are in relation and what the economy is doing.

That makes sense for those of you don’t know, or, basically what it means is you have an apartment that rents for 700 bucks and if you can bump that thing up 200 bucks, the interest rates, the economy is taking a long and that is huge value.

If I just do the net operating income increase on that $200 bump and rents times 12, that’s an increase of $2400 a year and at a five cap, that’s almost 50 grand right there just for that one unit, just for rehabbing that one property, one unit in the complex.

Imagine if you do this for multiple units, and multiple months in a row, right? You’re talking about millions of dollars of value ad creation. And it really doesn’t matter what the interest rate change was. It’s very barely moves, and I understand that what people are thinking interests are going to go up, but the larger impact.

Again, it’s net operating income getting more solidified. Even if the rates go up half a percent, which isn’t going to happen for a very long time and the second example here If net operating income improves $500 a month or $6,000 a year, this is just again like same calculation I did at a five cap, which you divide it by 0.05 is the math.

You’ve created $120,000 of value every single month. That 120 grand pays for a lot of interest rate bumps up. We are getting greedy in a way it’s why don’t you take it?

It’s a sure thing. If you delay during your refinance but if you’re increasing the value of the building in that case, $120,000, you can see why it is a cavalier way of doing things from one point of view. But it’s the smart business way to be doing things because if something were to happen in the economy, you could be able to refinance pretty quickly and get out.

But if you’re making $120,000 every year, just by simply rehabbing a unit or two, then it just makes sense to stay in the game while the game is hot. And I don’t want to equate this to a craps table in Las Vegas because that’s not how it works. It’s it’s like a crap’s table where you can’t lose the money that you already made in a way, because you’ve created that value and you get out before that seven comes out.

Again, every month that goes by, you’re continued to upgrade units, and this is , how you’re making money in this business.

Another analogy that I’ve used is, if you guys like that high seas crab fishing, Alaskan fishermen. It’s like you’re raking in the big catches, right? The storms coming in at some point. Yeah. You got to seek refuge before that hurricane gets too rough. When that point is, you should have captain that kinda knows when it is to pull anchor and a skit back into base. But until then, if you’re raking in the big catches, you keep going. And part of this mindset is interest rates are not really concerned to us because most people have this false sense of intimate doom that interest rates are going to increase.

Now, again, like I said, early, it’s probably will increase, but slower and impact isn’t much when you compare it to the embolic push the value of the property is, maybe we bumped it a million, $2 million in that time. The issue with longer-term agency debts is even though a lot of people like them and they seem conservative is that they come with these big prepayment penalties, which is the dark side of those long-term agency loans.

And I personally would rather not get into it until I absolutely have to enforce to get into or before the storm comes in a way. And I’d like to get my capital back out. And that’s the idea of getting my capital back off the table. So say we, things do bad happen at that point, I’ve taken my original capital.

I’ve playing with house money at that point. But if you guys have any questions on that, we’ll be doing a section on this or another Saturday cram school. Come to simplepassivecashflow.com/syndication. Read the free syndication guide there and join the database at simplepassivecashflow.com/club we’ll be doing more educational events throughout the year.

And what we talk about these types of things. I think once you start to understand the numbers, you start to realize how really robust this type of investing is, especially when you’re going after cashflow first. Whether you’re buying a single family home turnkey, what’s the worst that can happen, right?

Like the economy goes the other way. You lose money in that turnkey rental but at least you’re cash flowing. Your debts first coverage ratios are strong. You continue to cashflow and you still make money. You’re still paying down your equity just have to wait for the market to come back different store with value, add real estate, right in value, add real estate.

It’s the best of both worlds. You can make money in a bad economy but also power yourself through a bad economy with the value add as we’ve stated early, but anyway, here’s a podcast stress free busters for high achievers. Last thing I want to just mention is that time of the year, I know in Seattle it was dark all the time. Sometimes it got to me. So maybe check on your compadres out there, see if everybody’s good. You never know people are dealing on with out there. And we’ll see you guys out there.

 

 

Hey, simple passive cashflow listeners. Today, we are going to be talking to Trish Ahjel Roberts from mindblowinghappiness. com. Now we’re not going to be talking about, as much taxes or investing concepts today. Today, we’re taking a little bit of a break from the hard topics that we normally talk about on the podcast.

And talk a little bit about in a little bit more happier, a little less, some stress busters for executives here. But if you guys haven’t please join our private club at simplepassivecashflow.com/club. You get all the goodies there. In addition, you get the intro HUI e-course for free there, but a welcome to Trish. Maybe let’s talk about a little bit of your background, how you came to a trading, mind blowing happiness.com.

Yes, thanks for having me Lane. It’s a pleasure to be here. And so I started my business about a year and a half ago. I had worked as a financial advisor for about 12 years out here in Atlanta.

So it’s always funny when I tell people that I’m a self-actualization coach with a background in corporate sales, finance, Buddhism, and yoga. It’s a little bit of a mix.

 

 

When you mentioned you worked as a financial advisor for quite some time once you get out of that line of work?

It was interesting cause I worked with a lot of high net worth clients and it was surprising to me that I found many times they were very stressed and very unhappy to be quite honest. So as I was studying Buddhism and yoga in the background, I decided to go ahead and take that to the forefront.

So now I teach executives as well as all kinds of people, how to live a happier, more joyful and more fulfilled life. So I know today we were going to talk about some stress busters for executives because whether you’re executive or entrepreneur, you’re under so much pressure, especially coming out of this pandemic.

So not just to generate revenue for your business, but also to balance family life with business and be there for your employees and for your investors. It’s just a lot of pressure coming from all different sides.

You have a list of six here that we were going to talk through. What’s the first stress buster for busy professionals?

So the first one is really tapping into some of your hobbies. A lot of times we may have hobbies that we like or hobbies that we used to like. It’s always great to think back to your childhood. Cause sometimes you can find some nice little nuggets there that maybe you haven’t thought about for awhile and most things, because we’ve all been trapped in doors for awhile are available online.

So I know there is for me, I like to write there’s some writing classes that you can access online. There’s a group century arts that I like out of Canada that does adult writing classes. There are poetry, open mic nights that you can find. Sometimes I go onto meetup.com or event bright. So there’s some neat things that you can find that you normally wouldn’t think of even a virtual painting. Tap into some of your hobbies and maybe something that’s a little bit less traditional to find a nice way to relieve stress.

Yeah. I think people always have their primary thing. For me, it’s at my computer going through deals or creating stuff, but basically you’re always trying to find some kind of hobby that’s totally different.

Maybe it’s not definitely not productive, but maybe playing pool or. Pottery or something like that. Whatever that is for you and not strategic, cause when I was in corporate, I played a lot of golf. I was never good at it, but I played it because it was a thing to do to make those business connections, but doing something that’s not strategic, just completely for enjoyment is a great way to relieve stress.

And what do you do when you have a client? That’s like cherish. I dunno. Like I’ve tried it all and nothing really gets me going, like it might just something wrong with me or what are some tips there?

One of the most powerful tools that I use with clients and also in my workshops, it sounds really corny, but it’s journaling because a lot of times we don’t ask ourselves the powerful questions that we need to ask to know what we really want.

So if I have a client who really says, I don’t like anything, I only like to work. I know that when you were like, five you didn’t only like to work. There had to be other things that you liked. So going through some sort of powerful questions to take you back to a place where you can remember what brought you joy is a good technique.

I do have a book that I like besides my own books that I could mention to your clients. There is a book called Live in Wonder by Eric Saperston, which has excellent journaling prompts for that type of thing.

All right. What’s next on the list here.

So next on the list is exercise and everybody knows that we need exercise just to maintain our physical bodies and feel healthy. But during the pandemic, a lot of us got really sedentary, and started wondering why. You know why we can’t sleep or why we don’t feel good. So companies like Peloton have made a ton of money and been hugely successful offering virtual options for people at home, but there are lots of other options for virtual exercise.

So some of the ones that I like of course is orange theory, which is one of my favorites. They offer at home fitness as well, but. There are also lots of local mom and pop businesses who could use our support as well, but who also offer very specified yoga. So you can have virtual, private yoga sessions where you actually say exactly what you’re working with as far as your stress levels, or if there’s any limitations on your body and you can set up a one-on-one session.

That’s convenient for you. And I recommend that if you go to a yoga studio that you really want a studio that knows how to teach, not just traditional yoga postures, but also breathing exercises, which we call pranayama and meditation guided meditation. I would also encourage your listeners to ask for yin, Y I N, or restorative yoga, because those are all really excellent.

To help reduce stress. Cause stress is the biggest contributor to disease. And when you are really focused, like your listeners are, then you don’t have time to be sick. You’ve got things to do. So yeah.

Another thing there that I try within thrills of pandemic was like somebody said, Oh, try meditation and I’ve tried it a gazillion times. So I gave it another goal. But this time I found out there’s these ad hoc. Zoom meditation like Romans where people will join a just random people will join at different slots of the day. You’ve just Google, like zoom meditation or virtual meditation. There’s these groups that will meet up and sometimes there’s discussion and it’s a little bit weird, but I don’t know. It might be your thing. That’s the whole thing here is try different things, see what works for you.

Yeah. And meditation is actually an interesting one because anything else is a whole spectrum and there’s all different styles. Some I think are fabulous. Some are not my favorite. So usually the ones that I recommend are going to be more guided, cause sometimes you can go into meditation and you’re just listening to silence for 10 minutes. And if you’re like me, I’m thinking about like my grocery list and my laundry list, so you want something more specific. If you go on I can give you a few, but if you go on my website, mindblowing happiness.com under resources, it will lead you to some of my guided meditations, but I also like cadabra.org, which is a Buddhist organization. I also Chopra, Deepak Chopra has some wonderful offerings as well. So there’s a lot of tools available for good guided meditations.

Yeah. We need tools. Cause if not, I’ll just make myself crazy and talk to myself when I meditate.

Everybody does the same thing. It’s not only you. Yeah, I’m just not like a hipster who has no job, that it can just hear his mind like that.

It takes practice. That’s the thing, the first time anybody tries it, our minds are very busy. I like to think of it as like the dog with the frisbee. If you’ve ever had a dog, you throw the Frisbee, the dog will chase it, you throw it again and they’ll chase it. And our mind is like that.

So whether it’s on the web, you click a button, it takes you someplace else. You start reading something else. Your phone rings, you look at that. Something beeps like we’re constantly going from thing to thing. So being able to slow that down, it takes practice. Yeah, it doesn’t happen the first time I’ve used one of those like headbands that kind of like monitors, like the waves of your brain and tells you how many times a monkey comes in your brain.

I never liked that thing. It took forever to calibrate it. I wasn’t a big fan. I have never heard of that. It sounds pretty high tech. Yeah. It’s, I had to figure what it’s called. But it’s maybe like sooner. Do something like that, but it goes over your head cost a couple hundred bucks. I thought it was working.

And then I got this thing that like straps on my lobe of my ear, but I thought it was a little bit less invasive that you didn’t have to really calibrate and that was the annoying thing about the other one. But yeah, what’s so what’s after meditation, what’s the next go-to.

So that was exercise and we wandered into meditation, but the next one is doing charitable work. And again, I would preface all of these by saying, if it’s not bringing you joy, don’t do it. Cause it won’t really stress. So if it’s sitting on the board of a charity and that’s going to be more stressful than that’s not the option for you, but if you want to relieve stress, doing something.

That you enjoy helping others naturally produces, serotonin in our bodies. I had been doing virtual online tutoring for adults who are learning to read. So again, you can reach out to a local charity that you are really interested in and find out what virtual options they have. They pretty much are all accustomed at this point to providing virtual volunteering options.

And it’s just a great way to make yourself feel good if you have the time. And if you don’t let that one stress you out. Yeah. I can go go two ways on this. I talked to a lot of people in our group and quite frankly, for them to go build a house with habitat for humanity, despite how great that is, it’s a waste of their Their talents, it’s not their highest and best use. We have a lot of like very highly capable and highly connected people in our group on the other end, right? Like maybe better to build a house, get some exercise then, and to get out of your normal thing. You’re high leverage kind of position.

You can look at it both ways, right? You can. Do a charity exercise that is very different than what you’re normally doing, or you can leverage your skills and talents in like a rotary, for example. Yeah. I think in this example, though, if you’re looking to reduce stress, I really want you to give yourself a break from being a high achiever all the time.

So sometimes it could mean just delivering groceries or. We were talking more about virtual ones like the online tutoring, but whatever it is, it could be very simple, human human to human connection. And not necessarily always using those higher level strategic skills that we’re accustomed to.

Yeah. I’ll be honest and maybe people think I’m a jerk for this, but I don’t volunteer at habitat for humanity or the food bank. I don’t think that’s a good use of my time. For as much time I have on earth personally, I get off on helping people with these initial strategy calls that if you guys haven’t booked yours, I’d like to get to know you a bit better.

And I enjoy it. I really get off on it. Like how we can, like how I can in 15 minutes really move people’s mentality or just, Hey here’s we’re going to tower and take money out of the 401k. Slowly. So we don’t have to pay too much taxes or here’s why we know high net worth folks.

Aren’t doing the strategy and doing this instead. I found my residents frequency and the residents frequency is what I call like your Sonicare toothbrush, vibrating at that perfect frequency with high speed, low drag. I think that’s, I think you have to figure out what that thing is. What’s you’re put on this earth to do what nobody can do quite like you.

Or maybe you’re not that great of it. Maybe what you do a little bit better than the average, right? If not, I don’t know. This just keep bringing out ideas, I don’t think you’re a jerk for a smell. So I don’t like habitat for humanity either or necessarily food base. So I think whatever, whatever it is should be something that you enjoy.

And the example that you gave where you enjoyed doing those consultations. It’s still perfectly. It’s still perfect. It’s like when I do like my 30 minute coaching consults, it’s kinda the same thing, cause I don’t charge for them. But in that period of time, you can offer something that you are uniquely qualified to offer.

Yeah. When my, my my mom and my wife were teachers and one thing that menial tasks they made us do was cut the damn paper towels and half it’s to make it stretch further. Oh, and then nothing upsets me more than just doing that. Your activity, like I get more stressed doing something like that.

I get handsy. So I always, yeah, I always refuse. I’m not going to help out with school stuff, but maybe that’s why having a kid, I need to learn a lesson. I need to change some diapers and come and get used to it. But what’s that, what’s the next what’s the next stress Buster we got. So the next stress Buster is getting connected with affinity groups, which is basically just like-minded individuals.

So it could be based on whether a mom or a dad whether it’s a student, it could be your ethnic background. It could be a women’s group or men’s group LGBTQ whatever you identify with. So it’s just a great way to get away from, maybe being in A larger group where maybe you’re not as connected as easily with everybody involved and finding a little safe space.

So it could be, mom’s night out virtual or in person or girl’s night out or whatever it is, but just a way to kick back with people who you identify with. And that’s if I were to break that down, it’s, you’ve got some kind of rapport, similarity to kind of stuff. Make things go, but then is another, is it just as much you don’t know these people, if it doesn’t work out, doesn’t matter.

You’ve got that freedom to that too. And then there’s also Business organizations, of course, there’s a national association of female executives or national black MBA association, or some of them are organized by professional groups like out here in Atlanta. I belong to a, like a professional club called the gathering spot.

So they have a lot of different groups within that group. So yeah. Whether it’s a separate kind of group or one, that’s a subset of a larger organization, even the corporations that people already work for. If they’re not entrepreneurs have those kind of Affinity groups as well. And they may call them different things.

They don’t always call them affinity, but you know them when you see them. Cause they’re the groups where you look for people who, you feel like you connect with it. Yeah. So you guys have mentioned, some of you guys are in like Tessa clubs. It’s just totally you guys all or don’t own Tesla, then you have nothing else in common, but just another reason to have a potluck, and then some, a lot of guys and gals would go into the mom’s new mommies, new daddy’s groups. And then I think a lot of people, lot of our people in our group work are guys. So the other guys will be like the baseball coaches, for the kids. And I think the feedback that I hear is you meet people, you got to be there anyway for your kid, but like you get to meet people and it’s totally not non-judgemental, it’s just like totally.

Like what they do from you in their day-to-day professional life is so different and you don’t talk about that stuff, it just allows you to feel a little bit more understood before you even open your mouth. So that alone is a little bit of a stress reducer. And the fact of the matter is we all need to be connected.

One of the difficulties in this quarantine life that we’ve all been living is that people have been feeling isolated and it’s caused really a mental health crisis in this country. So getting connected is always important. Yeah. I think for a lot of folks in our group and myself included. W what we do is very high stress, and it’s hard for us to even explain what the heck we do.

It’s nice to leave that behind from time to time and just have to explain it. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter at the end of the day, or to take a break from it. Yeah. And then the flip side of that, too, is that you could be part of entrepreneurs, group, or CEOs group, that Or even mastermind group, that allows you to connect in a professional way as well.

Yeah, I think I just been conscious of both of those, right? I think people need both. They need something totally non-related to what their thing is, their highest and best uses. And then to get into a mastermind group that augments exactly that or their interests. All right. Where are we? Where are we at with the, we have any more, what do we have to, we’re up to number five.

So number five is spiritual. We talked a little bit about meditation, cause that’s a great way to access kind of that spiritual self, for a lot of us, we belong to churches or synagogues. And we know we can go into them, but many of them now offer services that are accessible virtually as well.

Of course there’s also TV services, but that’s another great stress reliever. I talk a lot with my clients about the difference between spirituality and religion, because like I grew up Catholic, so religion was religion. It wasn’t until I got older, I realized that spirituality doesn’t have to be religion.

But it is a way of. Nurturing and acknowledging your inner self, which is important for managing stress, right? The dating app say spiritual but not religious. Exactly. And I think I mentioned the Chopra app already. I liked them for that. I also like the Gaia channel and kidnapped, but that work was another one.

And the last one I had, if you want to give you want me to give you number six? Let’s do it. So number six was really going old school and just remembering that if you are really having an issue with stress management therapy and coaching two routes that are always there for you now that every, all the doctors are on zoom, right?

So you don’t have to go into their office for those things either, which is fantastic. If you don’t, if you don’t feel like traveling and the big difference really between I’ll just mention it. So you’re. Your listeners are aware of it, but the big difference between therapy and coaching therapy is typically dealing with past incidents that you’re trying to work through that may be affecting you now, whereas coaching I’m sure.

Probably all your listeners have coaches anyway, cause they’re so top notch, but coaching is working on setting goals for the future. So it’s more future driven. Yeah, I know. That’s what my coach says. I’m like, don’t you want to hear my context of why I am? She’s I don’t care. I don’t care. We’re going to go past present features is going to talk about the future.

I’m like, all right, I it’s like a therapist to work through your, your teenage years and stuff like that. Yeah. And maybe another thing like the therapy, right? There’s a lot of these apps that people can just sign up for. They can pay for the hour and just talk to somebody. They don’t really get to create that long-term relationship.

They can just try it out, see how it works and go from there. Yeah, they do have apps now for therapy. I think that you can even text where you don’t even have to make a phone call or do assume that you could actually look at text therapy because, I am a mom to a 20 year old and the younger generation, my daughter doesn’t pick up the phone.

She talks to texts. So some people don’t really want to talk. Yeah. And it’s like the younger generations, like people don’t talk about it with all the, like the COVID stuff, but a lot of people are like community, more people are committing suicide right. Lately. Yeah. I don’t know what the, I don’t know what the numbers are.

Maybe like 20 to 30% more than average or something like that, or sounds about right. Yeah. Yeah, no, isolation is a real issue. Like even when we look at some of the. Rioting and things that were taking place. I think a lot of that is also related, not just to the political environment, but also to the fact that people are isolated and stressed out.

Yeah. And I think it’s I think when you’re spiritual like that, you don’t have to go into the office. I think that’s the big hangup is you need to go to your normal PCP, get a referral to this person, go through all of that. Maybe the therapists on the app isn’t as good.

I don’t know. But if that barrier to entry is a lot lower and you need it, give it a try. Even if I don’t know. I probably say if you don’t need it, maybe just see what it’s all about. Just give it a try. It might be for you. Cause I know a lot of people in my network have used it for therapeutic reasons.

The app. Yeah. It just wanted to just have somebody to talk to and just curiosity over the whole virtual therapists. It’s not like they’re cuckoo anymore, right? It’s not a stigma, but some people still think it is just unfortunate day. No, it’s funny. The first time I went to a therapist was when I was married and it was like for marriage counseling.

And I remember the building had a big letters on the outside mental health, and I felt like I needed a wig and shades like a scarf to put over my head to go in there because it was such a stigma in my mind. But now I like to think that we’ve come a long way since then. And That people feel good about taking care of their mental health, the same way that we’ve learned to feel good about taking care of our physical health.

Cause like we all know we need to exercise and drink water and eat well to take care of our bodies. And I think for our mental health, we need to learn the same thing, that there are certain things we need to do to just maintain our mental health quick tips or tools that you’ve seen lately that.

Just to have people try out to close things out. I think I gave you guys most of the kind of online resources that I was thinking of, but I will say one thing that I think is extremely important is to have a mindset of gratitude. So for myself I always wake up with this kind of gratitude mindset.

I actually. Wrote an affirmation that I use to create my mind, happiness, self care e-book and you guys can access that on my website. But gratitude, cures. So many things like you, you can’t be angry and grateful at the same time. It’s really impossible. And Yeah, it’s just a cure for a lot of things.

So many times we think, especially as high achieving individuals. So many times we think about what’s next, bigger, better, faster, stronger, and taking that moment to be grateful for where you are, is incredibly important. Flips everything around. I used to do this really strange activity where I would write down.

I would be happy when.dot dot. And I would think of what I would want, like kind of lifestyle. I wanted car I wanted where I would be living out my daily activities B and then I would do this exercise maybe every six months to a year. And I realized that kept changing as I started to mold my life to be more of that.

And then I, after doing this for like maybe five, four to six years, I started to realize that this damn thing keeps changing and this is like a constant moving cycle might as well just be happy with the journey and you hear about it. So cliche. But until you do this little.

This little exercise on your own, which will take you four to six years, maybe for smarter than me, it’ll take you one or two times and doing this every six months, you start to realize that it’s just a constant, constant battle or constant, journey, depending on how you look at it. It’s true.

If you’re not happy in the moment, you’ll never be happy. It’s just true. And when I was working as a financial advisor with my clients, sometimes we would say what dollar amount do you need? Do you know how many millions of dollars do you need to be happy or to have everything you need?

And it’s really hard to get that number because there’s always something more. So yeah, you got it right lane. You gotta be happy on the journey. There’s a balance there, right? Folks. People not in their head right now. You gotta make some money because. The $10 and below at wine really sucks.

So you need to get a decent amount of money. So that’s the challenge of life, right? Balancing the two. Oh, you do need money, it was shocking. We’ve had so many suicides among very wealthy people or drug overdoses among wealthy people. So yeah, the balance is definitely key.

Money’s not everything, but it sure makes life a lot easier. For some who said I’ve been rich and I’ve been poor, but I like rich better. Yeah or I never liked cars, but then I got one and now I like cars, exactly. But yeah thanks for joining us, Trish. Again, you guys can read more for her content at mindblowinghappiness.com.

And if you guys want to make me more happier, go ahead and book that Intro onboarding call. If you have never connected yet, go to simple passive cashflow.com/contact. That makes me feel really special that I can help people out in the world, that’ll be my release, make me happy. All right. See you guys. Bye.

Thank you.

What to Do Before You or Your Parents Die – Annette Kam

https://youtu.be/kgMl_iEYiLY

Wow on today’s podcast, you’re going to be able to download a free family planning spreadsheet. Ooh, we love spreadsheets. Don’t wait You can grab that at simplepassivecashflow.com slash legacy, and it’s going to be a good one today, but before we get going a little bit recap, Christmas is over you.

Celebrate Christmas. Hopefully we’re all selling in the new year. But right now, in terms of investing things have going pretty well for investors right now that everybody knows about inflation, even the regular people out there, they know that inflation is rising. All the bolts at this point and prices on real estate is just keeps going up commercial real estate.

Hasn’t really gone on the huge frenzy that residential real estate is going. But I definitely see the second half 2023, the commercial prices will definitely be running up along what you’d like. Have you seen with the residents prices? Which means it’s not yet too late to get. As far as apartment goals everything’s going pretty well.

Rents are continuing going up. I anticipate rents that kind of slowed down a little bit, but still be increasing which has healthy,

but as much as I love and investing in apartments majority of my net worth is in that asset class. I’ve been looking around lately and you always want to look for stuff. The contrarian point of view, and what is one of those will tell us, right?

We’ll tell us, get beat up in the pandemic recession, but something I’ve been realizing is, hotels, just like short-term rentals. Everybody’s looking at short-term rentals out. Airbnb VR BL there are discretionary items. That’s something I’ve been learning a little bit of doing my due diligence on this asset class is either there’s a big difference between the two and the three star hotels.

The crappy holiday and expresses that I stayed. And for about five years, the comfort ends the maybe the semi nicer, three, four star hotels, the lore and Marriott’s those types. Those are the ones that are gonna to me, struggle in another pandemic or session, especially as people stop spending money on that of.

Something I’ve realized lately is the high-end luxury stuff. Like your four seasons in Hawaii or a Hilton in Hawaii. And it keeps saying Hawaii, because I think there’s a big difference between investing in 2, 3, 4 star hotels in the middle of a piece of junk Alabama, Kentucky, like these areas that no wonder they want to go for vacation.

Really your only reason you’re going there is because your company tells you, you got to get your butt on a plane. The go talk to some folks in the flyover states, but places like Hawaii, we always beat up on Hawaii. California is places where it’s not a really great place to invest for cashflow, but it is always going to be paradise.

And place where people will aspire to live the dream for their one week of vacation. And the people that are self selecting to going to these places are going to be going to the five or six star hotels. So started to look into buying a hotel in Hawaii, is that everybody wants to do that. What a flip trophy asset that is add that to my coffee and chocolate farm parcels,

but . I started to talk to some developers that I knew and some other folks in the industry and start to realize that if go off on this investment thesis, that I needed to stay to the high-end. So I can go into recession, proof assets that cashflow, I need to be now competing with the institutional operators, which is not going to happen.

It’s the same reason why. There were a few out there that we’ll invest in like Maine Frank computers, but now Amazon is getting into the game. All the little guys are getting blown out of the water with this type of stuff. Same thing with industrial and office space, which is why the average person can’t really get involved.

But, apartments, you can buy , smaller apartments or put together private equity group go after a 40, $50 million. But within industrial and office, you’ve got to get too much huge or scale and very similarly, and maybe to March stream case luxury five star, six star hotels, which are talking now on a magnitude of , $200 million plus, and there’s not very good financing on that.

So you’re talking about it, bigger equity in comparison to the purchase price. Another thing. These are the weird wants to don’t really think of as an investor when you’re outside of the industry. Something I’ve learned is that, developers went to making these really fancy five, six star hotels.

When you look into the PNLs of this stuff, they’re not really cash lying, or it’s not, doesn’t seem too much of a moneymaker, but what’s really, the moneymaker is selling off the timeshare. So if you’ve seen a place like Hilton wine village, there’s it was built in different phases and there was a section of it that gets sold off to the timeshares because the timeshares goes after How do I say this in a nice way, but they are the absolutely worse consumers buying that stuff. So basically you can, if you’re the hotel owner, you create a nice property, a campus, you make a couple of timeshares, you sell it and you gouge those types of unsophisticated investors, so-called investors, but we all know who the people buy timeshares.

Those are the people just get suckered into buying this stuff because they want that dream. They want to feel like an infant. But they’re really just a timeshare person with a bunch of points or whatever, but that’s the play for these large hotel operators, developers that they create the campus and they make their money on that sale of those timeshares, to the sucker buyers.

Another thing too, that I also found is a lot of these bigger brands, like the Hilton. Th these main states, if you’ve heard, they get out of it. And lot of the money is coming in is dumb institutional money. Again, like these are the people who are investing the lazy retirement funds of a lot of folks that don’t listen to this podcast.

The expectations are a lot lower and a lot of times these big hotel operators they’re just lending their brands. So really they don’t have any skin in the game. Just another example of the bigger that you get, it’s easier to not fail and you don’t really have skin in the game.

And as much as I’d love to go on and invest in a Hilton or four seasons, they don’t need private equity money. So it’s not really finding any deals in that type of work. But you can go buy a holiday Inn or just one of these Thor and hotels. But again, like I said earlier, I think there’s a lot of risk into buying that type of discretionary item in the two to four star category.

But anyway, part of this whole idea of investing in hotels and probably not going to do it, but it was just put on because the mastermind that we’re putting on in Hawaii, this next. Pretty much the final week to buy your ‘ tickets. For those of you coming out, or you’re going to have over 80 people there, I’m really excited to see you guys there.

We’re going to have a little less than half are family office, Ohana members or VIP’s, and then general admittance . So looking forward to meeting you a lot of people in person for the first time, but yeah, enjoy the show

 

 

 

 

hey simple passive cashflow listeners. Today, we are going to be talking to Annette Kam who wrote a book called Wait, Don’t Die Yet! So it’s a complete guide for all things that nobody wants to talk about before, during, and after a loved one’s passing so going to be a lot to do with legacy and estate planning.

If you guys want to check out the show notes to this, we’ll post the video of this, and also a more pertinent information surrounding this topic at simplepassivecashflow.com/legacy and before we get going, I’m going to apologize because Annette is here in Hawaii too. And she is probably going to get me to speak some pretty poor pigeon English, which tends to come up when we get together, but we’re not drinking, so won’t be too bad. But, Annette thanks for jumping on. Appreciate it.

Thank you for the invitation. I’m excited. I’m really excited to be here.

Yeah. So paint the picture for us. What did you do before you really got interested into this topic matter? What did you do for that treaded day job?

Oh, my history wise I like to go back to my history because to me, everything is not a coincidence. Okay. Back in 1968, I spent two months in the hospital with a ruptured appendix almost died, but that propelled me to become a nurse. So for the last 42 years, I was a nurse. I retired five years ago. But within this timestamp, I also came down with an illness called fibromyalgia and it was very debilitating suffered for over 10 years.

But then found this book that changed my life. Connected up with the doctor, started a nonprofit here in Hawaii reached out to the mainland and beyond. And last November, I had to pivot my whole focus in life because of what had happened to me with my in-laws passing and this is what has led me on a new mission.

So I stepped down as president of the nonprofit last November, and I wrote this book to help people realize that they think they have their affairs in order, for passing or their loved ones passing other parents past again, that is such a myth that they think as long as they have the will, the trust and all that. They’re fine. That’s really not the case, basically.

So before we unraveled some of those problems and issues that people don’t think of too much, you spent a lot of your career as a postpartum nurse and we’ve had a lot postpartum nurses or doctors in that arena on the podcast in the last several years and they give some insights into this from their dying patients. Anything before we move on any takeaways that kind of have been impactful to your life, going through that experience with so many patients?

I was a postpartum nurse I didn’t have the death and dying part as much, but I’ve seen the lights. I did an interview once and it was interesting because she said I’ve seen life coming to the world.

I’ve seen suffering because of my family had to go and now I’m helping people in death. That’s a kind of a neat psycho through to be in touch all phases of life.

All right. So let’s get into this typical example, right? So I think the most people that are listening here, mostly accredited investors may be in their thirties, forties, and fifties and they have an older parent that is dying. Most of the people listening are typically first-generation wealth folks. So a lot of our parents, they might have a million dollars now cause you know, when you’re a good saver, anybody can get to a million dollars in 70, 80, 90 years. So not talking about a huge estate being left behind, but what are you seeing as some of the pitfalls or the mistakes that people should be planning for right now? Knowing that the, this is going to happen.

If you look at the history of what I went through in my book my father-in-law was very organized. He was 99 when he passed had both of his checkbooks, your balance to the penny and 16 years before he pass you actually educated us one Sunday night when went over there

and he told us exactly where the safe was, where the key to a safe was. This work is we always trust the best directives, power of attorney he had all that stuff. So we thought when he passed and my mother-in-law told me, you take care of everything. We thought it wouldn’t be that much of a problem because he had all this paperwork, but then we found out.

It wasn’t just the paperwork that was enough. It was all the other mundane things that people just never think about. Things like the secret safe he had a secret key that he showed us. We went to get the key. Here’s a key instead of one key on a key chain there’s 20 keys on the key chain. All unabled.

So this is little things like that just makes you that’s a little harder when you follow up with somebody who passes. Just little things like that had mentioned about utility bills with the telephone company where, 10 days after my father-in-law passed, my mother-in-law’s phone broke, but online that’s the one that communication with us.

And you think it’s so simple, I just call the telephone company up. They can fix the home, but it took me three months, 29 phone calls and getting the better business bureau involved because she was not on the bill so she didn’t have the authorization, even though we have to still pay the bill, she wasn’t authorized to get it fixed.

How simple would it have been just to add on the second name and people don’t think of those little things, just little things like that and location of words, your motor vehicle registration, who’s on the registration. And how do you sell the car if your name is not on it? Yeah. So these are the things that I captured in the book.

When I started going through all this, not knowing what phone numbers to call, who to call, what to follow up on, what happened is I started making a list and I gave this list of to friends. Cause we’re all baby boomers and we all have parents that are passing or spouses that are sick actually with the age responses or sick.

And everybody, I gave this to told me you got to get this out there and that’s why I wrote the book. It was to help people to avoid going through what I went through, basically. That’s a basic premises is just getting them through. But the book itself is not just about the things you do beforehand.

It also takes you through everything to like caregiving, and a file system what to do after that, there’s even a section on transitioningif they need a carehome . What are you looking for? These are the thing that people just don’t think of, basically.

Yeah. So we’ll dive in today, the care home and the assisted living portion here in a little bit, but just to close the loop on all those, the laundry list of things that you should probably be looking for Annette’s book, we’ll get you guys access to electronic copy later.

I’ve got a laundry list of things and a Google sheet form for that we use in the family office group at simplepassivecashflow.com/legacy . But my suggestion would be, yeah. It seems really annoying for a lot of us because on the parent’s passing, like our time is very valuable, right?

We are the sandwich generation. We have to take care of the older folks’ affairs close it up but also we got the younger generation to take care of. So if the older generation could just spend granted, it takes them a long time to do this. But Hey, they have time, at that point in their life, print out the Google sheet or whatever, put it on paper for them to hand write it in.

I think everybody over a million dollar net worth should have an executive assistant scan it and then put it into your Google doc form. You don’t have mom and dad do that. But to me, that’s a best practice, but any other best practices you’ve picked up.

The book itself has my story in it and everything segues into the guide book that is a free downloadable also and people think I don’t have time to do this at all, but actually in reality, it takes maybe two weeks to fill it out because then you’re not gonna fill up the whole guidebook at once. It’s really not the pipe that you’re living through at the moment and it just has all the important information.

So you just got to tell your heirs where the information is you fill it out, basically download the guidebook, you fill it out and then you just update it once a year. I recommend using a erasable pen because things change, you’re adding properties, you’re adding more assets, you sell properties, and so these things have to be updated obviously, but it’s easily done with this guidebook that I included.

And it tells everything, basically if you have a mortgage, who’s the mortgage with, who’s your agents for insurance, it covers everything that I could possibly think of. I don’t know. It’s just a great resource, I think and I just want to help people out basically.

Checklist manifesto, because I’ve read that book fly a plane without it.

 

Here’s something that I’m not really familiar is like the parents get to that age where they can’t take care of themselves. Maybe walk us through that issue.

Yeah. I went to that with my father-in-law and then my mother-in-law actually, my father-in-law was going through your possibly passed away too soon, but then my mother-in-law got sick a little later and there’s nothing like, one thing that really pertinent is that a lot of older people once they fall, that’s the downhill trend.

She didn’t break a hip, but she did fall at one was supposed to be a short, we have since ended up being three months. And then all of a sudden you don’t realize that these rehab centers can tell you next week she’s gotta be out of here. And then what do you do? So then you have to go find out carehome or a nursing home, whatever.

And what I found out, and I was really fortunate because the social worker helped us. But what I found out is that you have to be very careful about your carehomes. You think that when you’re looking for a good care home or that you’re looking for a place that’s safe it’s clean, you have RN running a place on those activities.

But the book goes into a little bit more of that because I interview caregivers and I was really lucky because the caregiver I chose, she had been doing it for 16 years. Before I even introduce it to my mother-in-law, we had sent there, she had already gone there to interview her and find out what her favorite foods were because can you imagine going to a care home and not being able to eat the foods that you want?

In my mother-in-law’s case, all she went over, talk about tacos, burger king, Coca-Cola a hot cocoa, sushi. So if she had that once a week, she was happy.

I’m actually general partner in a deal where we’re building some assisted living and we’re building them a pod. This is on the mainland. Every pod is supposed to be like a different ethnic group. Older people that they like to live with their own ethnic kind of group, whether it’s right or wrong, it is what it is. It doesn’t matter, but they have different like food offerings.

Yeah. So the transition part is there’s a part in the book about going through the transition part where I’ve interviewed caregivers, whether or not you’re going to be the caregiver for your parents or you don’t have room and the caregiver has to go outside of your home. It’s just some guidelines.

Things like if you think about like my girlfriend, she brought her mother and her to her home and forgot about the prologue, I guess what she fell and broke her hip s o these are the little things that I covered in the book that are not really little things, actually big things.

If you really think about it is wow, there’s a lot of things, people think about like pen rail, safety, stuff like that, but they forget the little things now.

So, at what age should like my generation be like, Hey mom or dad? At what age do they hit that you should start to have this conversation like, all right, the next five to 10 years, what is the plan?

It’s already rough thing because it’s a sensitive topic and really when you’re in your thirties, forties, your parents are in their fifties, sixties, and they’re like, I almost 70 and I’m doing well, but if I didn’t go through this and somebody who’s brought it up Hey, tell me about what’s what you got pat, and, down the road, you don’t, it’s not a subject that people like to bring up because it’s not an easy subject to bring up because the personal thing.

I’m not even at that point where I’m sick or dying, so why we’re bringing it up now, but people just don’t realize just how important it is to be ready ahead of time, because things can happen at any time.

One of my friends just texted me, emailed me the other day that his brother who is only two years younger, he was like 68, just passed away suddenly. Nothing in order. So that propelled him to really take a look at the book and say, I got to get my things in order for my family, because you think you’re 67, I’m still young and I still got time. That’s all we associate, we have a kind of a long lifespan, so you think you have a lot of time, but the death has no post mortem. When it’s going to happen, you’re either going to be ready or you’re not basically that’s bottom line.

I haven’t thought too much about it. We haven’t had a thought yet, but you got several options and maybe add on to find missing anything, but your first option is t he parents, they own their own house so they’re already living in somewhere, they age in place, right? This is typically what most folks want to do cause you know, people don’t like change, change is bad.

And they got all their crap all there they don’t want to go through it, but it’s the cons are obviously right it may not be set up to be medically, the best place they could trip and fall and they don’t have the medical staff there available.

So you’ve got to have somebody come and help them out, or you gotta be a person to do it, which in my opinion is not the highest and best use, especially if you’re listening to this podcast right now. The next option is, you have a series of different assisted living, semi assist like maybe can you break down those different options?

I know here in Hawaii, it’s interesting because there’s assisted living facility, but you also have to think ahead because they’re nice places, wonderful places, but then you have to think about down the road once they need more care, can they stay there?

And many of the places here, they’re not an hour once they need skilled nursing care, they’re outta there. They’re fine as long as they’re ambulatory and they don’t have any major medical problems, but once they hit a certain benchmark and they need more skilled nursing care, you have to find another place. I think there’s only in Hawaii. There’s only three places that let you w hen you get in, you can stay until you die. Cause they have the care that they give you there.

But it’s like a jacked up system, right? Because it’s a life of lottery like you pay in and if you die early, then the house takes the money. If you happen to live the most. Then you eat off of the other person who’s died off their funds that they put into the system. Yeah. I mean it, no, I don’t know. The way we do business, it’s carried interest to me. I don’t seems to me that they make money when the person does not live long, which doesn’t seem to align interests. But anyway that’s just how it is, but is that pretty much the gamble that unsophisticated money people have to make.

But you know what to do because s ome of them here that I hear, I haven’t checked out myself is that, yeah, you got to put it in like a million dollars. You have to put in 5,000 just to be on the waiting list, which is like four or five years long. So you have to think way ahead.

And most people who are, hoarding cash in their house only have sub million dollar net worth and they have to either sell the house and they don’t want to do that because they want to live in place as much as possible or do a reverse HELOC first mortgage, which is in a bad idea in some cases.

But I don’t know. It’s worth the discussion because it gets complicated like this, typically the house wins, right? The sophisticated operators win off and then the uneducated consumer gets screwed at the end.

So now, with your listeners here with this network of what we have, including myself, it’s nice to have all these other properties and you can still end up going to a really nice place that will take you all the way until you pass away because you can sell one of your properties. At least here in Hawaii, you can, and you can get back a million dollars from one or two properties so that’s one thought. Yeah, you don’t have to give your whole network away if you have only one property. Yeah. That house has got to go when it’s time for you to actually get there. And that’s the only way to get there is by selling your house.

Can you stay in the house and then assign the rights to it at a future date? Does it work like that? Or do you have to totally commit?

Yeah. Once they say, okay, we have an opening, you got to take it now. I think you got to take it and then you have so much time to get the money in, to pay for the rest of your stay there. Yeah. That’s how I understand it. I’m just talking to different people who are in the process of doing it.

My brother-in-law, I have a friend that is doing that now. Just getting prepare, but yeah, this is a really interesting situation that you find yourself inside, especially here in Hawaii it’s not cheap. That a nursing care home will probably cost you anywhere from eight to $10,000 even more a month and people aren’t prepared for that.

I don’t know if you can speak to this, but for some people maybe under half a million dollars net worth, probably on or under millions is still a thought, is the strategy sometimes to exhaust all assets to be a warden of the state.

Yeah, I think two years but it might be more now where you have to exhaust everything and then there’s this gap of two years or more now. In order for you to qualify, to go under state care.

That said you don’t really want to go to the state care.

Some people have to. The private care home as I found out are not actually bad. They’re much cheaper and it’s not bad, getting like maybe four people, enough resident home, we’re really fortunate here in Hawaii because we have that culture like that. There’s a nice Filipino culture that they do this for the family and they do this for others.

So that’s what happened in my mother-in-law’s case and I was really happy with what we ended up with.

Yeah. My personal way I’ll do it, but it’s technically legal to sanctions right, we all know that but that’s just how people do things in Hawaii. And I guess what we’re talking about folks, most of the listeners here on the mainland, but here you’ll get somebody who everybody’s got side gigs here in Hawaii

cause it’s so hard to make ends meet. So you might have a nurse that works their job, and then will also part-time live in somebody else’s houses, stay in caregiver. Best of both worlds right. You get people who like love the client, gives them the best care and it’s a win-win for both.

We do have our big box assisted living and care homes here in Hawaii, but not as prevalent as the mainland, as things on the main things are typically.

Yeah, you can pour it a lot more too. That is one of the things where, nice to live in Hawaii. If you know the right people, right? It’s all your network, is your net worth, or your networkers who watches your mom, what’s your opinion between some of those smaller let’s call them boutiques versus the big boxes. What’s your personal opinion?

Say, a personal opinion, depends on what kind of setting you want your parent or you want yourself to be in. Some people like to have this nice setting where they go through the dining room to eat, and then you have all these friends there, versus staying in a home where you’re eating with two or three other people.

Yeah. So this is a personal opinion and also you have to look at what kind of activities do they offer? If you’re just going to sit and watching TV all day in this home, that doesn’t make any sense, but do they have activities to keep you busy? Whatever it is, it could be, do they have shows to watch and do they have classes or art or whatever.

Those things are things that are part of a assisted living facility. They do have these things and that’s pretty impressive when you actually go to visit them and you see what they have. Aside from they have, some of them even have a beauty salon or pickleball courts, it’s crazy, but they do offer those things.

Yeah. You like the thick of all. That’s a thing now. Here’s the big question is like, all right, mom and dad are getting to that age. Who do I talk to? Is there a date, like a website with, let’s like a directory, like where do I go to figure out number one? What are those big boxes and how can even start to find some of those smaller boutique?

The first step obviously is communicating with your spouse or your parents. You have to get the communication open first to even talk about something like this. And then once they see that, yeah, I should start thinking about this and, long-term care or whatever, maybe we should start looking.

When my mother-in-law was at that point, we had to scramble to look for different places. So we went to visit different places before we settled on one, I think being able to have the conversation and then actually going out to visit the different assisted care facilities is a big help because then you have open communication.

Yeah. I don’t mind being here or I don’t mind staying at least they have input rather than if they get sick and they’re forced to do something because that’s the only place that’s open at that time, which is sad. So planning ahead is important. Like many of these places you can reserve a spot for down the road know, and it cost you maybe a $2,000.

Where do they get the list of places first?

Well, hospital’s setting, Rehab center, a social worker will help you do that. There’s the private ones and then, the state run ones and then the more private ones, a more exclusive ones, I think it’s on their own basically. Hey, get up to yellow pages, do an internet search, there’s many out there.

It’s better for you guys to do the searches. If not, you guys would get head hunted with a bunch of sales reps. We’re bringing it to the ones that just are good with marketing.

Yeah, and you got to do it early. You got to be prepared. It’s sad to say that you have to think of this so in advance, but you really do because you just never know. Tomorrow your spouse could have a stroke and then what?

So getting off the topic of care homes, any things that you’ve seen, like a lesson learned, or maybe this has happened that should have been avoided somehow it’s a little bit proactive planning we want to mention.

Yeah and that’s what the guy looks about. Cause the guy just step by step and apply the book. It’s just little things like. Say something happens to your spouse and I ended up in the hospital. Okay. Would you know exactly what meds she’s on? How much the dosage, how often is taken what’s for, who her doctor is, or the doctor’s phone number?

The guide will guide you through all that stuff. So that there’s no question and all you do is update it. You can just grab this book and go, Hey, this is what it is, or make a copy of that part of the guidebook and take it to you with that too, at a hospital. But those are the things that are important things like you can have insurance, but okay if you pass away, who’s my agent, like I have some whole life insurance policies and when I looked up on the website, okay, who am I contacted this I four different numbers. So then I got to my agent, I said, okay, I know you’re the first contact.

What’s the second contact in case I can’t get hold of you and that’s in my guidebook, so I put it down. When I went through this whole process of my mother, my father-in-law, I can only tell you how horrendous waste of time staying in the phone, especially with Hawaii being six hours on for three to six hours

the mainland is closing and we’re waking up and I have to get hold of all these important people or departments and you have to go through a long list of okay go on the internet, find out the number, call the number, and then you’d get transferred and transfer. So those phone calls took me anywhere from half an hour to an hour, just to get to the right person.

So this, the guide book had every phone number in there, the contact person, so he can go straight to the number, if something should happen to you or your heirs can go straight to it. There’s people don’t realize how many places have to be notified. Your pension, your social security or insurance, all kinds of stuff.

Everybody’s gotta be notified and they all want your death certificate. So that’s another thing you have to think about how many death certificates are you going to order when your loved one passes. People don’t realize all these little things that they need to end up doing, and, they need time to grieve. They don’t need to be thrown into this situation of having to handle all this in the middle of a loved one passing so this is just to avoid all that basically.

We’re known for the simple, passive way of doing things. So if we pay a little bit of money, not overpaying, but we just pay for time. Like when people get married and, spouses have to change their name there’s consultants for that, we pay consultants to book our rewards travel or our credit points. The other thing. I paid people to negotiate cars for me. I never go to the dealership. They just do all that stuff for me.

I pay them a little bit, but there should be somebody who like, there’s a huge service for somebody who like does this stuff for people. So I don’t know when I find that person, I’ll put it into that webpage for you guys and there’s gotta be somebody or you guys out there have found lift up these private consultants that do this.

This is what entrepreneurs do, they find that need in the community and they fulfill it and they monetize it. But it’s a little bit of a public service here. Just off the top of my head, if you guys have wills, you guys don’t want wills. You guys want trust so you can skip probate.

To me, if your attorney gets, you probably need a new attorney because that’s not what you want. I like to know your opinion on this so like my opinion, I just see so many clients, they go through so much battles, even when all the surviving siblings can still get along to liquidate assets.

If you guys are already at that point, or your parents are urgently liquidate this stuff and get rid of the stupid things, because it’s like all this crap about like sentiment of vow was just going to piss people off at the end of the day.

You’re so right Lane because right now, I know so many people who got along with the siblings until the parents passed and all of a sudden they want to sell it and one person holds off. You don’t want to bring the one sibling to court, to settle this, so things just go on for years.

Whatever reminds me of is that boss at work would never like to be the enemy and always wanted to play both sides. At the end of the day, all their employees get pissed off at each other and the team falls apart anyway. So you parents out there, you guys need to be the bad guy and make the unenviable decision just to making a call for everybody so we can just all move on and focus. That’s my rant.

I agree and I’ve seen this in my family is broken up. Sibling getting along and then all of a sudden, not getting along, not talking to each other.

Or they get cute with, oh, somebody gets the sports car, somebody gets this, dude just liquidate everything and just a math exercise. I think part of it is if you’re older and why not give away the things now? Why wait until you die to give away everything?

Okay. Folks be careful there. Do not give properties away.

I got property, what’s wrong with that? You give it to them while they can enjoy it.

Of course, we all want to be on the up and up, 15,000 exemption, whatever. Yeah. I agree like those smaller things give it away now, but like properties, the reason why you guys don’t want to give properties away is your kids will not get the step up basis and they’re going to absorb the base that you have and they have to pay huge capital gains. So I’ve seen this happen two or three times where a family has like a $500,000 property bought in Los Angeles and now it’s worth 4 million and the parents just so kind in their heart to give it away, but dude, don’t do that. You screwed them over.

Oh yeah. After your parents died or whatever, I think that you’d probably agree with me on this is that you do an appraisal. So that’s your cost basis for tax wise and you don’t end up paying up, crazy taxes, with the appreciation.

Yeah. If the estate is over five, $10 million, you probably should consult an attorney because it may make more sense to put into irrevocable trust, a dynasty trust, but if it’s less than that keep it, that should be pretty simple.

But I will say, to be prepared you have to get a good attorney and a good accountant. I was fortunate because I had and they spoke with each other. So that was really nice, so I got things done, which would have been very difficult if I didn’t have someone I trusted.

Any other last tidbits of advice?

All I say is, get prepared, take the first step. I think the book that I have is pretty, pretty comprehensive and whether or not people think they need or not, it wasn’t hard to download it because it’s free, it’s Annettekam.com, A N N E T T E .com one word, you can download the book for free. You can download the guidebook.

If you think, nah, I think I got everything covered. I encouraged them to just go on Amazon, look at the reviews because I get emails, I look at the reviews and I know that something as simple as this book and it’s not difficult, you can probably read it in a couple of days, but as something as simple as this can impact so many people, that’s what I’ve learned.

People that have all of a sudden said, okay, yeah, I’m ready to do this. Tell me I’m doing it and it’s changing our lives because I’m communicating with my husband, so that’s important thing is communication, get prepared, do the first steps, just one step at a time. If you don’t make the first step, nothing is done.

So folks go to Amazon, pick up the book, Wait, Don’t Die by Annette Kam there’s a 123 five star reviews, which is pretty awesome. People are so negative these days either to see the two or three stars so that means it’s pretty good. Her website, she has the free electronic copy of this.

You guys can read it, but Hey, I would pick up the hard copy for mom and dad. You know how they don’t trust anything that’s electronic these days. They don’t think it’s legitimate. So like the 20 bucks you guys pay will be worth it. That’s like a one hour of some new college aged kid, maybe you guys hourly rates for way more than that.

So just pick up the book, buy two for them put it on every John that they have, so the parents can read it and maybe it sends a message that way. We’ll put this in the show notes at simplepassivecashflow.com/legacy. Thanks for jumping on Annette.

Oh, thank you for having me Lane. Appreciate it.